hasselblad Wed, 27 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1001 In this issue: Re: dead medium walking Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Re: dead medium walking Public Thank you to those who responded to me ... SV: dead medium walking Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: digital&film (was Kodak 16 megapixel back) CF 50mm f/4 for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:24:37 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: <002c01c0279c$376f5b00$15e4f1c3@qnu99> Ragnar Hansen wrote: > I have been told that the military has 4x5 " CCD backs with a pixel size of 4 my. If you say that you need two pixels to resolve one pair of lines, then you can say that this CCD would resolve 125 lp/mm. That is right on the heels > of the best standard films. "Problem" with the military is that they have a much larger budget than all of our's put together. The US Defence Budget for just one year, for instance, can buy a new bicycle for each and every person on this planet, and still have some cash to spare. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:53:48 EDT From: Stymulus@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: Hey, thanks for all your help. I can stop wasteing film now! ??? on the back lit: if you metered subject then adjusted flash to 1:4 shouldn't it expose correctly without opening one stop? Brian In a message dated 9/23/00 11:08:04 PM, bartek@pdai.com writes: << > At 03:56 AM 09/20/2000, you wrote: > >so you set the camera AND flash 2 to 3 stops faster for good fill? > > No. Here's an example. > Ambient light calls for f/8 @ 1/250th sec > set camera as above > set non-TTL auto flash to produce f/5.6 > Shoot. With the 1:2 ratio above, you'll need to stop the lens down an additional 1 stop over the ambient expsoure (without changing the shutter speed, of course) to get a proper exposure. The resulting lighting ratio will give quite open shadows. If you had set for 1:4 ratio (flash at f4.0), there is no need to stop down. There is not enough light from the flash to noticeably affect the highlight exposure, but it will noticeably lighten the shadow values. I find a 1:4 ratio gives move "natural" looking shadows when the sun is bright and direct. Also, when shooting the subject backlit under those bright conditions, you only have to open the lens up 1 stop (without changing the shutter speed) and you get a perfect backlit filled exposure. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:58:09 EDT From: Stymulus@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: <17.b78ee90.2701f761@aol.com> I have 503 c/x with TTL, Do these same rules for fill apply with say a metz 45 with the TTL working? Brian In a message dated 9/23/00 11:08:04 PM, bartek@pdai.com writes: << > At 03:56 AM 09/20/2000, you wrote: > >so you set the camera AND flash 2 to 3 stops faster for good fill? > > No. Here's an example. > Ambient light calls for f/8 @ 1/250th sec > set camera as above > set non-TTL auto flash to produce f/5.6 > Shoot. With the 1:2 ratio above, you'll need to stop the lens down an additional 1 stop over the ambient expsoure (without changing the shutter speed, of course) to get a proper exposure. The resulting lighting ratio will give quite open shadows. If you had set for 1:4 ratio (flash at f4.0), there is no need to stop down. There is not enough light from the flash to noticeably affect the highlight exposure, but it will noticeably lighten the shadow values. I find a 1:4 ratio gives move "natural" looking shadows when the sun is bright and direct. Also, when shooting the subject backlit under those bright conditions, you only have to open the lens up 1 stop (without changing the shutter speed) and you get a perfect backlit filled exposure. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. 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To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:08:04 -0400 Received: from sherman.kelvin.net (sherman.kelvin.net [207.155.118.230]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:07:57 -0400 Received: from pdai.com (mail.pdai.com [209.210.150.5]) by sherman.kelvin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-49406U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:02:23 -0700 Received: from asa039.pdai.com ([216.190.172.39]) by pdai.com ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:07:17 -0700 From: "Patrick Bartek" Organization: NoLife Polymath Group Date: 23 Sep 2000 20:04:53 +0900 Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-Id: To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-to: hasselblad@kelvin.net >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:10:55 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: <006701c027bb$35662c70$650a0a0a@slamb> Brian Does the 503 c/x have an ISO selector dial on the camera body? If so, just set the film speed ISO to a faster speed setting to reduce the flash intensity. If not, you will have to use auto or manual flash mode and adjust the ISO setting/aperture etc. on the dials on top of the flash head. TTL is fully automatic so you have no real control over the flash intensity - it monitors the light boucning off the film surface and cuts the flash when sufficient has reached the film. The Metz 45 does not have any features to adjust flash intensity when in TTL mode and, if your 503 c/x doesn't have an ISO dial, then you will need to go to auto or manual mode. The best results that I have had for indoor flash with the Metz 45 are to set the ISO on the 503CW to two stop faster, bouce the main flash off the ceiling or a reflector and use the secondary reflector on the flash to provide very subtle fill-in. Looks very natural. Simon Stymulus@aol.com wrote: > I have 503 c/x with TTL, Do these same rules for fill apply with say a metz > 45 with the TTL working? > > Brian > > > In a message dated 9/23/00 11:08:04 PM, bartek@pdai.com writes: > > << > At 03:56 AM 09/20/2000, you wrote: > > >so you set the camera AND flash 2 to 3 stops faster for good fill? > > > > No. Here's an example. > > Ambient light calls for f/8 @ 1/250th sec > > set camera as above > > set non-TTL auto flash to produce f/5.6 > > Shoot. > > With the 1:2 ratio above, you'll need to stop the lens down an > additional 1 stop over the ambient expsoure (without changing the > shutter speed, of course) to get a proper exposure. The resulting > lighting ratio will give quite open shadows. > > If you had set for 1:4 ratio (flash at f4.0), there is no need to stop > down. There is not enough light from the flash to noticeably affect > the highlight exposure, but it will noticeably lighten the shadow > values. I find a 1:4 ratio gives move "natural" looking shadows when > the sun is bright and direct. Also, when shooting the subject > backlit under those bright conditions, you only have to open the lens > up 1 stop (without changing the shutter speed) and you get a perfect > backlit filled exposure. > > -- > Patrick Bartek > NoLife Polymath Group > bartek@pdai.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by > air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:08:04 -0400 > Received: from sherman.kelvin.net (sherman.kelvin.net [207.155.118.230]) by > rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:07:57 -0400 > Received: from pdai.com (mail.pdai.com [209.210.150.5]) > by sherman.kelvin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 > ID# 0-49406U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id net > for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:02:23 -0700 > Received: from asa039.pdai.com ([216.190.172.39]) by pdai.com ; Sat, 23 Sep > 2000 23:07:17 -0700 > From: "Patrick Bartek" > Organization: NoLife Polymath Group > Date: 23 Sep 2000 20:04:53 +0900 > Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 > Message-Id: > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Reply-to: hasselblad@kelvin.net > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: R Barr To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: <1335679.969978417130.JavaMail.imail@sammy> Digital will surpass film and the technology does exist. But, go into any gallery in Chelsea and look for digital prints. They are difficult, if not impossible, to find. Collectors are buying platinum and silver. It will be a long time before a fine art buyer takes digital seriously enough to invest in it. It doesn't mean the images are any less artistic or creative, they just aren't proven as of yet. All of my images at some point go digital, I will not deny that. I proof, make adjustments, crop all from the comfort of my desk. They all get scanned in to my PC. Digital is great for that and everyone should embrace digital. I have printed out images on my Epson printer and look great! Hold up an Ilfochrome print from the same slide and it falls short. Digital prints have a long way to go for acceptance and quality. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:52:36 -0400 From: kswong@sp.ml.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Public Thank you to those who responded to me ... Message-ID: <200009261552.LAA09239@sophie.sp.ml.com> I like to thank all those who responded to me on my queries of taking pictures at the USGP (Formula One) in Indy. I took many shots with the FE 350 lens and also with 1.4 mutar. The chosen film is Kodak at ISO 400 color slides and Kodar ISO 1000 B&W. It is a heavy load with 2 lens, 1 body, and a 35mm camera just in case I can't keep up with the speed of taking pictures. Any many rolls of 120 film. Getting slow in cranking to the next frame. It even takes me 3 minutes to unload and load the fresh roll. I got to practice like those support crew in the pit lanes of changing wheels, adding gas --- all in under 7 seconds. I was careful not to ruin the body and magazine. I hope to see them at the end of this week as I took them to be processed. To those interested who have already missed it are the Porsche GT3, Ferrari Challenge, life-running MB SLR (silver color and no more hiding around) and obviously the F1 cars! There wasn't any wheels flying around but blown engines/troubles engines/cars wonder off course due to wet roads, slippery/fans are very well behave except the smoking part (allergic to smoke)/no drunks/ no dopes/no fans riots like in sorcer or baseball. KS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:21:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ULF_SJ=D6GREN?= To: , "Q.G. de Bakker" Subject: SV: dead medium walking Message-ID: <000d01c027d6$43de4a60$1c7297d4@s101194> Yes, maybe but so far there are disadvantages with the digital picture = and equipment. It needs fast, memoryloaded computors, they are = relatively expensive today and will be so tomorrow as they will always = use the best PC.s/Macs. Staying in a studio where you always have = electricity is ok and maybe in a warm climate. But bring computor and = enough of batteries for outdoor photography here (or why not in Canada?) = if you are out for several days in zero (Fahrenheit). And honestly.....what is so fantastic with digital pictures sitting = there for hours trying to fix things that were not taken care of at the = shooting......? It has some advantages for some people. But expensive = fragile things -and fragile they will remain, compared to a 120/220 = roll. Is it just that it new?? Ulf ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----=20 Fr=E5n: "R Barr" Till: "Q.G. de Bakker" ; Skickat: den 26 september 2000 16:26 =C4mne: Re: dead medium walking > Digital will surpass film and the technology does exist. But, go into = any > gallery in Chelsea and look for digital prints. They are difficult, if = not > impossible, to find. Collectors are buying platinum and silver. It = will be a > long time before a fine art buyer takes digital seriously enough to = invest > in it. It doesn't mean the images are any less artistic or creative, = they > just aren't proven as of yet. > =20 > All of my images at some point go digital, I will not deny that. I = proof, > make adjustments, crop all from the comfort of my desk. They all get = scanned > in to my PC. Digital is great for that and everyone should embrace = digital. > I have printed out images on my Epson printer and look great! Hold up = an > Ilfochrome print from the same slide and it falls short. Digital = prints have > a long way to go for acceptance and quality.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's = subsidiaries, or affiliates. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: = http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at = http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at = http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:17:41 -0400 From: "Stuart Phillips" To: Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <004701bfde32$65d67db0$3674799e@umb.edu> Yes, until you try to load Linux. ----- Original Message ----- From: Austin Franklin To: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 11:47 PM Subject: RE: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad > > Having said that, its not an issue of quality though. If > > that were the case we would not have McDonalds, VHS and Kraft cheese > slices to name > > only a few that dominate their markets but are far from > best of class. > > Add Microsoft to that list...they are the Kraft cheese of software.... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:22:06 -0400 From: "Stuart Phillips" To: Subject: Re: digital&film (was Kodak 16 megapixel back) Message-ID: <006901bfde33$03cd7c80$3674799e@umb.edu> if only Lucas would get a new idea! Looks like we are heading towards Jaws 4. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cousineau , Bernard To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: OT: digital&film (was Kodak 16 megapixel back) > > Mark wrote: > > > > > I didn't. But I do talk to the guys he gets his cameras > > from (digital & > > > film). > > > > So what is Lucas complaining about? > > > > Klaus > > If I may... > Basically, George Lucas's much-publicized plan to shoot the next Star Wars > franchise on high-definition video has to do with his side-business in > digital cinema projection. At this point in time, a few different companies > are trying to get their high-def digital projectors accepted in the > marketplace, and Lucas (in cooperation with Sony, I think) is one of them. > The prize everyone is after is to become the picture equivalent of what > Dolby has done for sound in theatres. There is much resistance from theatre > owners on this front, mainly because this will mean a huge increase in > capital investment for them. A digital projector will probably cost > $100,000+ and have a life expectancy of a few years, whereas a film > projector costs less than a fifth of this and can be used for decades. > The specific problems that Lucas is reportedly having with his Sony-supplied > high-def video camera have to do with the lack of flexibility of the system. > It can not shoot at higher or lower frame rates, which is definitely a > crutch for an action film (no running away from a ball of flames in > slo-mo...). It has problems with high-contrast lighting, which shouldn't be > a problem in a high-budget show. Worst of all, it doesn't look nearly as > good as film. This was thought not to be a big problem, given that most of > the footage in this particular film will be fiddled-with in post-production, > but it always helps to start with the highest quality original. > Regular 35mm motion productions often shoot scenes that will be > digitally-manipulated in Vistavision, which is 8 perforations long (like > 35mm still) so that they will not look out of place when cut with straight > footage (4 perf, but really only 3 perforations high). > The tradeoff that Lucas is facing is whether to shoot on film to get higher > quality, or on digital to get the bragging rights and publicity. If his film > ends-up being a flop, or if it is perceived as having low-quality effects, > it would definitely hurt his chances of dominating the digital projection > market, which is the much bigger prize. > > Bernard > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:54:37 -0700 From: "John McLeod" To: "Hasselblad posts" Subject: CF 50mm f/4 for sale Message-ID: <002601c0283f$0a326760$d704480c@ukj3r> Hasselblad CF 50mm f/4 lens for sale (serial number 704xxxx). I purchased this (non-FLE) lens new and it has seen little use since I am not a professional photographer. I have been very happy with the lens, it's quite sharp, and the condition is mint-. The only reason for the sale is to raise money for a non-photographic purchase. I also have a Hasselblad UV Sky filter and 50mm lens shade which I'd prefer to sell with the lens. The price for the package is firm at $1,650 (or $1,525 for the lens only). I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and would prefer a local sale, but will consider other offers. John McLeod ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1001 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html