hasselblad Sun, 1 Oct 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1005 In this issue: Re:C41 push/pull Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Re: C41 push/pull Re: C41 push/pull Re: C41 push/pull Portra 160NC push Re: Portra 160NC push Re: Portra 160NC push Re: C41 push/pull Re: Portra 160NC push Re: C41 push/pull ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 06:06:13 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re:C41 push/pull Message-ID: Mark, It's easy, as Jim says. The typical technique is to vary the development = time. To push, you cut the drive while it is in the developer so it gets, = say, an extra minute or two of development. To pull, you shorten = development time by increasing the speed of the film transport while it's = being developed, often by using the hand crank at a rate faster than the = rate normally used by the hand crank at power failure time. Peter >>> jim_brick@agilent.com 09/29/00 09:53PM >>> At 11:50 AM 9/29/00 -0700, Mark Rabiner wrote: > >It's not to difficult to order a "push" with C41 is it? >mark rabiner No. Any good pro lab will push/pill C41. I just pushed some T400CN a half stop last week. Came out wunderbar. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:45:48 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/00 1:18:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bartek@pdai.com writes: << My work over the past 20 years or so has been mostly with chromes, with and without fill flash. And the exposure methods I stated were for chromes. With a 1:2 fill, it IS necessary to stop down 1 stop for a correct exposure. >> I strongly disagree. To do as you say and set a -1 on the flash and a -1 ambient it would give a 1:1 ratio, not a 1:2. I shoot chromes and I always expose correctly for the background, then through whatever method the particular camera/flash combo requires, set my flash to expose -1.7 or -2 stops. This is how all the "smart" flash systems operate (except they usually fill too hot, so most people either dial a -0.7 compensation or defeat the "auto balanced" setting and dial in -1.7 manually). This gives almost a 1:4 ratio in which the shadows are filled imperceptibly and the background is properly exposed. Granted, if you are initially metering a small subject in shadow against a large bright background using a wide-area (or even center-weighted) meter, then I agree you would want to lose a stop. My method I meter only the background and may use 0, + or - the metered value depending on the tonality. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:05:42 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: C41 push/pull Message-ID: <23.19070a0.27076956@aol.com> In a message dated 9/29/00 9:51:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jim_brick@agilent.com writes: << No. Any good pro lab will push/pill C41. I just pushed some T400CN a half stop last week. Came out wunderbar. >> What EI were you shooting? I've found that T400CN can take a full stop of underexposure and still print well with no push, but my "normal" rating is EI 320. If your 1/2 stop was EI 600 and you liked the results with a +1/2, you might try bumping the EI up to 800 with the same +1/2. It should take it. Or you could just shoot Portra 800 and convert to B&W digitally. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:37:07 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: C41 push/pull Message-ID: <200009301739.KAA00143@spoon.alink.net> At 12:05 PM 9/30/00 -0400, InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > >What EI were you shooting? I've found that T400CN can take a full stop of >underexposure and still print well with no push, but my "normal" rating is EI >320. If your 1/2 stop was EI 600 and you liked the results with a +1/2, you >might try bumping the EI up to 800 with the same +1/2. It should take it. >Or you could just shoot Portra 800 and convert to B&W digitally. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- A wedding and reception, dismal light, shooting at f/1.4 the entire time, lots of black suits, needed the 1/2 push to boost up the overall density. Worked perfectly. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:24:26 -0400 From: "Stuart Phillips" To: Subject: Re: C41 push/pull Message-ID: <001f01bfe12e$174b9dc0$3674799e@conted.umb.edu> What does anyone usually rate TMAX 400 at? (Other than 400, of course!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brick To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 1:37 PM Subject: Re: C41 push/pull > At 12:05 PM 9/30/00 -0400, InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > > > >What EI were you shooting? I've found that T400CN can take a full stop of > >underexposure and still print well with no push, but my "normal" rating is > EI > >320. If your 1/2 stop was EI 600 and you liked the results with a +1/2, you > >might try bumping the EI up to 800 with the same +1/2. It should take it. > >Or you could just shoot Portra 800 and convert to B&W digitally. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A wedding and reception, dismal light, shooting at f/1.4 the entire time, > lots of black suits, needed the 1/2 push to boost up the overall density. > Worked perfectly. > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:34:13 +0100 From: Ragnar Hansen To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Portra 160NC push Message-ID: <39D55F35.657CAAD3@powertech.no> Porta 160NC does not respond to push as a "normal" colour neg film. Due to its low contrast and colour saturation is it very sharp and with very small "grain" . Grain in a colour neg film is actually "clouds" of dyes, and this clouds is larger if the colour saturation is larger. I tried most og the colour neg films to find the best film for 15 to 20x linear enlargements. Porta 160NC was the best film I could find, but it was a little too low in colour saturation and contrast for my taste. I spoke to Joe Mantley who is one of the guys at Kodak who was in the designing team for this film. He reccomended that I extended the developing time with 30-45 seconds. This is the same as with one step push. This extending increases both the contrast and colour saturation, but the speed of the film remains constant. However, I find that the separation in the shadow details is a little better. Enlarged on normal colour neg papers this gives you a good combination for high contrast motivs, but I find it a little dull for normal pictures. However, the new digital output machines who uses led or laser on colour paper have had problems with sufficient colour saturation and density in the black areas. This have led to that the industry has made special papers primerely for use in these machines. If you use one of these papers , like Ilfords Ilfocolour 2000 in a normal enlarger with the 160NC with ext dev time, you really got something.The blacks are very deep but with good detail and the colours is what I prefer. The sharpness and lack of grain is amazing. Ragnar Hansen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:14:57 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Portra 160NC push Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/00 2:54:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raghans@powertech.no writes: << ike Ilfords Ilfocolour 2000 in a normal enlarger with the 160NC with ext dev time, you really got something.The blacks are very deep but with good detail and the colours is what I prefer. The sharpness and lack of grain is amazing. >> Wouldn't just using 160VC give you the same increased saturation over NC? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 06:53:56 +0100 From: Ragnar Hansen To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Portra 160NC push Message-ID: <39D57FF3.681A54E0@powertech.no> InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/30/00 2:54:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > raghans@powertech.no writes: > > << ike Ilfords > Ilfocolour 2000 in a normal enlarger with the 160NC with ext dev time, you > really got something.The blacks are very deep but with good detail and the > colours is what I prefer. The sharpness and lack of grain is amazing. > >> > > Wouldn't just using 160VC give you the same increased saturation over NC? > No, the colour saturation on the VC is so high that the dye clouds gets too big and then you do not get the same sharpness. The saturation on the NC is still far below the VC even with extended dev time. When you use a highly saturated paper you get vibrant colours without the need to have it in the film. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:59:02 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: C41 push/pull Message-ID: <002101c02b32$0f866900$72e9f1c3@qnu99> Stuart Phillips wrote: > What does anyone usually rate TMAX 400 at? (Other than 400, of course!) ISO 200. I find TMAX 400's contrast a lot better when overexposed one stop and underdeveloped accordingly, and i still get one extra stop over TMAX 100 (which i hardly ever use: i do like TMAX 400 treated this way better than TMAX 100). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:02:03 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Portra 160NC push Message-ID: <002a01c02b32$735fef00$72e9f1c3@qnu99> Ragnar Hansen wrote: > Porta 160NC does not respond to push as a "normal" colour neg film. Due to its low contrast and colour saturation is it very sharp and with very small "grain" . Grain in a colour neg film is actually "clouds" of dyes, and this clouds > is larger if the colour saturation is larger. I tried most og the colour neg films to find the best film for 15 to 20x linear enlargements. Porta 160NC was the best film I could find, but it was a little too low in colour > saturation and contrast for my taste. I spoke to Joe Mantley who is one of the guys at Kodak who was in the designing team for this film. > He reccomended that I extended the developing time with 30-45 seconds. This is the same as with one step push. > This extending increases both the contrast and colour saturation, but the speed of the film remains constant. However, I find that the separation in the shadow details is a little better. > Enlarged on normal colour neg papers this gives you a good combination for high contrast motivs, but I find it a little dull for normal pictures. However, the new digital output machines who uses led or laser on colour paper > have had problems with sufficient colour saturation and density in the black areas. This have led to that the industry has made special papers primerely for use in these machines. If you use one of these papers , like Ilfords > Ilfocolour 2000 in a normal enlarger with the 160NC with ext dev time, you really got something.The blacks are very deep but with good detail and the colours is what I prefer. The sharpness and lack of grain is amazing. How about overexposing by 2/3 stop and keeping development normal? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:06:18 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: C41 push/pull Message-ID: <200010010408.VAA09645@spoon.alink.net> At 02:24 PM 6/28/00 -0400, Stuart Phillips wrote: >What does anyone usually rate TMAX 400 at? (Other than 400, of course!) > My normal everyday rating for T400CN is 200. Jim ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1005 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html