hasselblad Mon, 2 Oct 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1006 In this issue: US prices on Hasselblad Re: US prices on Hasselblad Re: Portra 160NC push Re: US prices on Hasselblad Re: US prices on Hasselblad Re: US prices on Hasselblad RE: US prices on Hasselblad Re: US prices on Hasselblad Using Hasselblad lenses with LF equipment Re: dead medium walking Re: dead medium walking Re: US prices on Hasselblad Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Re: hasselblad V1 #1003 RE: US prices on Hasselblad Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Re: US prices on Hasselblad Re: US prices on Hasselblad Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:38:56 +0100 From: Ragnar Hansen To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <39D5C2C0.BBC9C6D7@powertech.no> I live in Noway. A couple of weeks ago I saw some mails stating that you could get flexbodies used for $1500,- to 1700,- . That maked me puzzeled. List price here ( for a new one) is $1380,- I looked in the catalog from B%H and fould a list price on $2332,-. More: a 100/3,5 CFi B&H $ 2637,- , here $ 1774,- . 203FE body B&H $5626 , here $3870,- . Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for Hassy in US?. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:09:53 EDT From: JCurcio@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <79.a48268b.270891a1@aol.com> In a message dated 10/1/00 7:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, raghans@powertech.no writes: << Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for Hassy in US?. >> If it's in their catalog, that's what you pay. I've bought thousands of dollars of equipment and supplies from B&H and never have had a problem -- and I don't even work there ;-) Just to balance things out, the other first rate NYC operation is Adorama. You can't go wrong with either. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:15:06 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Portra 160NC push Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/00 5:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raghans@powertech.no writes: << The saturation on the NC is still far below the VC even with extended dev time. When you use a highly saturated paper you get vibrant colours without the need to have it in the film. >> I wish I could avail myself of that advantage, unfortunately I hate darkroom work (even digital) and all of the pro labs around here use the papers they are accustomed to and don't want to switch for one customer's job. According to Kodak (if they are to be believed) the grain of VC isn't much greater than NC but I haven't put it to the test, yet. Next weekend up East for the fall colors will be my first VC encounter. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:20:00 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <26.b6a6935.2708a210@aol.com> In a message dated 10/1/00 7:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, raghans@powertech.no writes: << I live in Noway. A couple of weeks ago I saw some mails stating that you could get flexbodies used for $1500,- to 1700,- . That maked me puzzeled. List price here ( for a new one) is $1380,- I looked in the catalog from B%H and fould a list price on $2332,-. More: a 100/3,5 CFi B&H $ 2637,- , here $ 1774,- . 203FE body B&H $5626 , here $3870,- . Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for Hassy in US?. >> I don't even pay the used prices in the US anymore since I found out about Cayman Camera. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:40:10 -0400 From: Carl Socolow To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <39D74CCA.89A1A769@mindspring.com> I have had a wonderful buying relationship with B&H and have dealt with them very pleasantly over the years. Anecdotally, I have heard nothing positive, except your comment, regarding Adorama and would be very careful to define terms and conditions when dealing with them. My next Hasselblad purchase will very carefully look into buying from Cayman Cameras based on feeback in this forum. Carl Socolow p.s. I have no connection to B&H other than being a satisfied customer. JCurcio@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/1/00 7:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > raghans@powertech.no writes: > > << Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for Hassy in US?. >> > > If it's in their catalog, that's what you pay. I've bought thousands of > dollars of equipment and supplies from B&H and never have had a problem -- > and I don't even work there ;-) Just to balance things out, the other first > rate NYC operation is Adorama. You can't go wrong with either. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:21:47 EDT From: DonjR43198@aol.com To: csocolow@mindspring.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <92.a9583b8.2708b08b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/1/2000 9:40:30 AM Central Daylight Time, csocolow@mindspring.com writes: << My next Hasselblad purchase will very carefully look into buying from Cayman Cameras based on feeback in this forum. Carl Socolow >> I have bought Hasselblad stuff from Mrs. McGaw at Cayman Camera since 1996, both while on the island while SCUBA diving as well as by FedEx and I have been more than pleased. Don R. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:32:18 -0400 From: "Bruce Wilson" To: Subject: RE: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: God dag, Ragnar. Yes, we pay high prices here through Hasselblad USA imports. The question everyone is asking is whether that organization adds sufficient value to justify the difference between USA and world prices. For example, if the USA advertising and promotions budget dried up, would the panache come off the brand? Would USA used prices drop? Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ragnar Hansen [mailto:raghans@powertech.no] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 6:39 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: US prices on Hasselblad I live in Noway. A couple of weeks ago I saw some mails stating that you could get flexbodies used for $1500,- to 1700,- . That maked me puzzeled. List price here ( for a new one) is $1380,- I looked in the catalog from B%H and fould a list price on $2332,-. More: a 100/3,5 CFi B&H $ 2637,- , here $ 1774,- . 203FE body B&H $5626 , here $3870,- . Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for Hassy in US?. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:25:56 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <39D75784.5373C80D@gate.net> Thats not necessarily the case...prices go up and prices go down. Call for the current price. In any event, B and H does not play games. Thats my experience. Also, try Smile also in N.Y. Call on the phone and insist on dealing with MENDEL "Mike" Tell him the lawyer from Miami referred you. His prices are less than B and H but they do not always have all the items like B and H does. MB JCurcio@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/00 7:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > raghans@powertech.no writes: > > << Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for Hassy in US?. >> > > If it's in their catalog, that's what you pay. I've bought thousands of > dollars of equipment and supplies from B&H and never have had a problem -- > and I don't even work there ;-) Just to balance things out, the other first > rate NYC operation is Adorama. You can't go wrong with either. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:40:21 -0700 From: "Martin H. Krieger" To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: Using Hasselblad lenses with LF equipment Message-ID: <01C02B27.233700A0.krieger@usc.edu> Some time ago I asked the list for suggestions about using Hassy lenses with 4x5 LF equipment. There were two problems-- 1. Coverage. The diagonal of a 2 1/4 negative is 80mm or so. And while some lenses might have larger coverage, perhaps at small f stops, in general they would fall off well before the diagonal of a 4x5 (about 150mm). Still, I was interested in seeing what I could do with the 30mm fisheye, which surely does fall off beyond 80mm diameter. 2. How to mount the lens and use it. The trick here is to use the flange provided on the bellows (removed from the bellows--not difficult). Then you can wind the shutter and open up the diaphragm, and using a cable release one can first close down the lens and close the shutter and then fire the shutter (two steps, different amount of extension of the cable release--easy to distinguish). CATCH! Mounting the lens on my 4x5 field camera, and it needs to be fairly close in (recall the size of the Hassy box) to focus to infinity, one ends up bending the flexible shutter winding device on the flange--and that being bent, you cannot fire the shutter! This would not be a problem with a view camera--but that is not what I have. Still--I promised to report results about coverage. So I mounted the lens the best I could using the bellows flange and a lens board, and then used the lens cap as my shutter. And, indoors, exposed for a second or so at f/22 with some 400ASA Polaroid 672 in a 405 holder. (I do not recommend this as practice, but I wanted to see the coverage.) Surely, the fisheye falls off at 80mm diameter, but in fact the baffling (I think?) is set up so that you do not get quite a circular image--I will check this tomorrow. (This does not affect the Hassy image of course, since the parts that are cut off are not in the 2 1/4" square.) I realize this is Rube Goldberg, but I promised a report. MK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:16:28 +0000 From: b.ferster@att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: <20000925011628.CWSY4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> And just what did you have for dinner? .............B.F............... > After a good day in the woods, my elk dog, my Hassy and me returns home. > When my wife is putting the dinner on the table , I go into my darkroom > and puts the film into the Jobo ATL processor.I use Porta 160NC, but > this time I want a litte more contrast and colour saturation, so I > extend the dev. time with 30 sec. The machine processes the film while I > eat. When I am finished eating , the film is finished. I put the film in > the drier and starts up the Thermaphot 50 cm RA4 processor. Then I take > a nap. After sleeping half an hour, the film is dry and the processor > has heated up.I start up my Durst Pictochrome Elite autofocus enlarger > and the Durst Optoscan analyzer. > The optoscan scans the negatives and sends singnals by a cable to the > enlarger what filter values and density to be used for each negative. > The enlarger stores the values and I put the neg into the enlarger and > call up the values. > I then turn on the focusing light , and by a button changes the > cropping. I'll want to use Ilfocolour 2000 paper so I tell the enlarger > this and the enlarger sets the right time and corrects the colour and > density data for reprocity. > Ilfocolor 2000 is the best colour paper I know, and I buy it in rolls > for $ 2,60 per square meter. > I tell the paper magazine that I want to make a 50x70 cm enlargement and > the magazine pushes out 71 cm of paper from a 50 cm roll. I put the > paper on the easel and starts the exposure. Then into the processor and > four minutes later a washed and dried print comes out. > Is it a dream? Nope. I have been photographing for forty years and been > dreaming of making large colour enlargements cheap and easy but prices > of this kind of equipment waas far too high . Then came the digital > revolution.The labs were afraid of being left behind so they bought > multiple > input machines which could make pictures from different inputs, data > files, scanned negs and so on. > The analogue machines were left and were more than happily sold to > amateurs like me for a fraction of the cost, even when they were good as > new. > > Thank heaven for the digital revolution, but thank it even more for the > film !!!!! > > Ragnar Hansen > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way > affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:27:42 -0600 From: "Russ Rosener" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: <200009250220.VAA13815@mail2.postnet.com> Whatever happened to Bachelorhood? You can buy as many hasselblads as you want without justifying the expense, and you only have one person to cook and clean up for! Of course it only looks good when you're on the other side-I'm married too! But Luckily I snagged a photographer.... Russ Rosener ---------- >From: Colin Monteith >To: hasselblad@kelvin.net >Subject: Re: dead medium walking >Date: Sun, Sep 24, 2000, 6:54 PM > > There is nothing like a good old fashioned marriage!!! Mind you it would > be tough for her to get up on the roof as that chain attached to her leg > probably will not stretch that far. OK, I am being more than a little > flippant here. > Maybe just jealous that I don't have time to get into the darkroom these days. > > Gary Cunningham wrote: > >> WHAT? .....I feel so insensitive now.....I mow the grass, change the >> oil, fix the leaking roof, etc., etc. and my wife doesn't help me and >> she doesn't feel guilty at all. You've got the greatest wife in the >> world if she's helping you with all that after you both get done cooking >> and cleaning. When my wife helps me with the things I thought were my >> logical chores, I'll break out the Hassy and record THAT event for sure. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Re: dead medium walking >> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:10:46 -0400 >> From: Colin Monteith >> Reply-To: hasselblad@kelvin.net >> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net >> References: <000101c024a7$497de660$fc7e273f@rjiredff> > <39CBD590.F937DE9C@powertech.no> >> >> Sound to me like you have a lot of time on your hands. Also a wife who > you have tethered to the kitchen. Come on Ragner and join the real world. > Try this next week. Go for a walk with your wife as well. When you get > back, help her >> cook dinner. And after that instead of napping you can help clean up. > Its kind of interesting as I now know why I have little time. I believe in > equality and that means cooking and groceries etc. After that, it leaves me little >> time and that's why I am making the best of it by at least getting in > some photography in the digital world. >> >> Ragnar Hansen wrote: >> >> > After a good day in the woods, my elk dog, my Hassy and me returns home. >> > When my wife is putting the dinner on the table , I go into my darkroom >> > and puts the film into the Jobo ATL processor.I use Porta 160NC, but >> > this time I want a litte more contrast and colour saturation, so I >> > extend the dev. time with 30 sec. The machine processes the film while I >> > eat. When I am finished eating , the film is finished. I put the film in >> > the drier and starts up the Thermaphot 50 cm RA4 processor. Then I take >> > a nap. After sleeping half an hour, the film is dry and the processor >> > has heated up.I start up my Durst Pictochrome Elite autofocus enlarger >> > and the Durst Optoscan analyzer. >> > The optoscan scans the negatives and sends singnals by a cable to the >> > enlarger what filter values and density to be used for each negative. >> > The enlarger stores the values and I put the neg into the enlarger and >> > call up the values. >> > I then turn on the focusing light , and by a button changes the >> > cropping. I'll want to use Ilfocolour 2000 paper so I tell the enlarger >> > this and the enlarger sets the right time and corrects the colour and >> > density data for reprocity. >> > Ilfocolor 2000 is the best colour paper I know, and I buy it in rolls >> > for $ 2,60 per square meter. >> > I tell the paper magazine that I want to make a 50x70 cm enlargement and >> > the magazine pushes out 71 cm of paper from a 50 cm roll. I put the >> > paper on the easel and starts the exposure. Then into the processor and >> > four minutes later a washed and dried print comes out. >> > Is it a dream? Nope. I have been photographing for forty years and been >> > dreaming of making large colour enlargements cheap and easy but prices >> > of this kind of equipment waas far too high . Then came the digital >> > revolution.The labs were afraid of being left behind so they bought >> > multiple >> > input machines which could make pictures from different inputs, data >> > files, scanned negs and so on. >> > The analogue machines were left and were more than happily sold to >> > amateurs like me for a fraction of the cost, even when they were good as >> > new. >> > >> > Thank heaven for the digital revolution, but thank it even more for the >> > film !!!!! >> > >> > Ragnar Hansen >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, > or affiliates. >> > >> > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >> > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >> > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. 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This mailing > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, > or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:03:10 EDT From: JCurcio@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/00 11:58:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marcober@gate.net writes: << Also, try Smile also in N.Y. >> I'd check them out. I've seen somewhere an online list of people's experiences with mail order camera stores. I don't recall it's address but if you can find it, it's a excellent resource for finding out many people's good and bad experiences with all the photography mail order companies. Perhaps someone out there knows what I'm referring to and has the address for the list??? As for me, I've had excellent luck with both B&H and Adorama and can't think of a reason to change. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:14:45 -0000 From: "Peter Jon White" To: Subject: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <01bf01c02ba9$9253b280$de116f40@office1> I've never ordered anything from Smile Photo. Not that I haven't tried. Every time I've attempted to order an item they've advertised, they've told me that the item advertised is a grey market item, and that it's out of stock. However, the official US Import item is in stock at a much higher price. This has happened at least a half dozen times. Now, I understand grey market pricing and all that as I work in retail myself. But it seems to me that they're just using this as a come-on. When you consistently don't have the item you're advertising, you give the impression of being somewhat less than ethical. I'm sure it's just an impression. ;-) Peter Jon White ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:17:53 EDT From: Papyg@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1003 Message-ID: <25.b71b355.2708d9d1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/29/2000 12:16:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hasselblad@kelvin.net writes: << Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928155952.00bd1bd0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> >> I don't understand the theory as to why one would want to stop the lens down one stop from the ambient reading in order to achieve proper fill. I thought the ambient reading gives the correct exposure for the ambient light and then the flash needs to be tricked for fill. Please explain why one would fiddle with the aperture setting taken from the ambient reading in order to get proper fill flash. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:36:08 +0200 From: "Eduard Crombie" To: Subject: RE: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: Hi Ragnar, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the impression that you wrote your message because of being very surprised at Hasselblad products being much cheaper in Norway than in the US ? :-) And not actually looking to buy in the States, as other replies suggested. Isn't it great living in a country like Norway, where they almost give Hasselblad stuff away for nothing [enormous big grin like a Garfield cat on the side window of a Saab - not Norsk, but close] Eduard Crombie Dendermonde, Belgium. PS. I do some camera buying in the Netherlands; new Flexbody is abt. 1450$. 8-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ragnar Hansen > I live in Noway. A couple of weeks ago I saw some mails > stating that you could get flexbodies used for $1500,- to > 1700,- . That maked me puzzeled. List price here ( for a new > one) is $1380,- I looked in the catalog from B%H and fould a > list price on $2332,-. More: a 100/3,5 CFi B&H $ 2637,- , > here $ 1774,- . 203FE body B&H $5626 , here > $3870,- . Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for > Hassy in US?. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:16:08 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <39D7A997.7D7AFD65@gate.net> Personally, I do not have any problem w/grey market, when the price is right. Although i have no particularly loyalty to Smile, I have never had a problem when I deal with the ownership... who calls himself "Mike" to make it easy for the American taste in names. His real name is Mendel. If you want to pay retail, there are many places to call. If you want to save a buck... you have to settle for a little inconvenience. MB Peter Jon White wrote: > I've never ordered anything from Smile Photo. Not that I haven't tried. > Every time I've attempted to order an item they've advertised, they've told > me that the item advertised is a grey market item, and that it's out of > stock. However, the official US Import item is in stock at a much higher > price. This has happened at least a half dozen times. > > Now, I understand grey market pricing and all that as I work in retail > myself. But it seems to me that they're just using this as a come-on. When > you consistently don't have the item you're advertising, you give the > impression of being somewhat less than ethical. > > I'm sure it's just an impression. ;-) > > Peter Jon White > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:21:55 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <39D7AAF3.8904CF6D@gate.net> Maybe our Norwegian members would be willing to help us make our purchases there in Norway. We, here in the U.S.A. could offer to reciprocate when Europeans want items which can be had cheaper where we reside. For instance, I live in Miami. We make some pretty good cigars here. Has anyone heard of La Gloria Cuban? They, and others are made w/in two miles of my house. Who wants me to ship some to them? You see what I mean? MB Eduard Crombie wrote: > Hi Ragnar, > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the impression that you wrote your > message because of being very surprised at Hasselblad products being > much cheaper in Norway than in the US ? :-) > And not actually looking to buy in the States, as other replies > suggested. > Isn't it great living in a country like Norway, where they almost give > Hasselblad stuff away for nothing [enormous big grin like a Garfield cat > on the side window of a Saab - not Norsk, but close] > > Eduard Crombie > Dendermonde, Belgium. > > PS. I do some camera buying in the Netherlands; new Flexbody is abt. > 1450$. 8-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ragnar Hansen > > I live in Noway. A couple of weeks ago I saw some mails > > stating that you could get flexbodies used for $1500,- to > > 1700,- . That maked me puzzeled. List price here ( for a new > > one) is $1380,- I looked in the catalog from B%H and fould a > > list price on $2332,-. More: a 100/3,5 CFi B&H $ 2637,- , > > here $ 1774,- . 203FE body B&H $5626 , here > > $3870,- . Is the B&H list prices what you actually pay for > > Hassy in US?. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:52:10 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/00 5:54:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcober@gate.net writes: << Maybe our Norwegian members would be willing to help us make our purchases there in Norway. We, here in the U.S.A. could offer to reciprocate when Europeans want items which can be had cheaper where we reside. For instance, I live in Miami. We make some pretty good cigars here. Has anyone heard of La Gloria Cuban? They, and others are made w/in two miles of my house. Who wants me to ship some to them? You see what I mean? >> Not to disparage the Floridian cigar trade, nor to start a political discussion, but anyone residing in Europe can buy real Cuban cigars at any good tobacconist. Furthermore with the internet and FedEx it is easy for Americans to buy from abroad. And unlike gray market merchandise which is imported and re-sold (thus allowing the US agent to legally refuse to service it since the warranty is only good for the first purchaser who in this case is the importer and not you) if you buy direct from an *authorized* dealer in another country and have a sales receipt, the US agent must honor the manufacturer's warranty. Basically I've found that the prices everywhere outside the US are much cheaper and differ mainly with the various countries' exchange rates versus the US$. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:16:46 EDT From: JCurcio@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/00 5:48:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcober@gate.net writes: << If you want to pay retail, there are many places to call. If you want to save a buck... you have to settle for a little inconvenience. >> Baloney. There's absolutely no inconvenience dealing with places like B&H and Adorama. Their prices are outstanding, virtually everything is in stock, and there's no bait and switch. You're entitled to your opinion, certainly, but from what I've seen in the past, there are other opinions out there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:29:59 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/00 8:17:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JCurcio@aol.com writes: << Baloney. There's absolutely no inconvenience dealing with places like B&H and Adorama. Their prices are outstanding, virtually everything is in stock, and there's no bait and switch. You're entitled to your opinion, certainly, but from what I've seen in the past, there are other opinions out there. >> Here's one: I bought a USA lens at full retail from my "cheerful full-service" local camera store and when I noticed an internal glass defect a week later they cheerfully offered to send it to the manufacturer for me for warranty service, and I got it back in about six weeks. Same exact thing happened to a gray-market lens I purchased from B&H and they sent me out a new one the same day they got mine back. Goes to show you can't make generalizations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:07:30 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <39D7D1C1.54658D43@gate.net> I've visited and purchased at Adorama since Jesus was a baby and let me tell you that Adorama is no different from all the rest. Compare prices, see who has what you are looking for in stock and place your order. What the hell difference does it make. One yarmulke is the same as another, unless your talking about the yarmulkas at my bar mitzvah, They came from Mr. Spitzer. Now, there was a character. MB JCurcio@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/00 5:48:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > marcober@gate.net writes: > > << If you want to pay retail, there are many places to call. If you want to > save a buck... you have to settle for a little inconvenience. >> > > Baloney. There's absolutely no inconvenience dealing with places like B&H > and Adorama. Their prices are outstanding, virtually everything is in stock, > and there's no bait and switch. You're entitled to your opinion, certainly, > but from what I've seen in the past, there are other opinions out there. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:11:23 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Smile Photo; was US prices on Hasselblad Message-ID: <39D7D2AB.7B31EF25@gate.net> My remarks should not have been taken as support for full retail type stores. I do not purchase at such dealers. My point was that generally if one wishes to purchase anything from a discount type dealer... he generally will have to give up something. But, price is most important and a good price is worth a little inconvenience. MB InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/00 8:17:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JCurcio@aol.com > writes: > > << Baloney. There's absolutely no inconvenience dealing with places like B&H > and Adorama. Their prices are outstanding, virtually everything is in > stock, > and there's no bait and switch. You're entitled to your opinion, certainly, > but from what I've seen in the past, there are other opinions out there. >> > > Here's one: I bought a USA lens at full retail from my "cheerful > full-service" local camera store and when I noticed an internal glass defect > a week later they cheerfully offered to send it to the manufacturer for me > for warranty service, and I got it back in about six weeks. Same exact thing > happened to a gray-market lens I purchased from B&H and they sent me out a > new one the same day they got mine back. Goes to show you can't make > generalizations. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1006 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. 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