hasselblad Fri, 6 Oct 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1010 In this issue: RE: moon talk Re: C-series lens spares Re: polarizer for Hassy SNIP your posts Re: polarizer for Hassy Re: polarizer for Hassy Re: polarizer for Hassy Re: polarizer for Hassy Re: C-series lens spares Re: C-series lens spares ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:48:29 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: moon talk Message-ID: <000301c02eb9$cd14be10$0100a8c0@paolopent> Actually, it started with chicks... Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: BobR38@aol.com [mailto:BobR38@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:20 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: moon talk Oh no....before it was the CHEEZ, now the EGGZ. What's this group coming to? Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:12:46 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: C-series lens spares Message-ID: <23.1c1cf94.270dd84e@aol.com> In a message dated 10/4/00 11:20:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eggent@eazy.net writes: << I would think this will be a world wide, in as much as Hasselblad has little or no control over what Prontor will do with the older series "C" (1210) lenses.>> I thought the older lenses had Compur shutters, the CF series has Prontor? <> That hasn't been my experience. My C lenses were plagued with shutter problems, the CF lenses problem-free under the same use. I don't know what the mystery material is Hasselblad claims the CFi shutter springs are made from that they promise is more durable, but I didn't hear them say the shutters were new so perhaps the new mainspring will retrofit to the CF lenses. As to parts for the C lenses, there are so many out there it's likely there will be a generous supply of parts for some time to come. The parts most likely to wear, like springs and levers and gears, could always be modified from other parts or even custom machined if someone really wanted to put the money into repair. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:06:03 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: polarizer for Hassy Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005120246.00bf0be0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:10 AM 10/05/2000, you wrote: >There can't be much difference in price between the Hassy polarizer and a >Kasemann polarizer. All filters are Bay 60 linear polarizers for comparison sake, and all prices are $US. The Hassy & the B+W Kaesemann are within $10.00 of one another and both are above 225.00. (The B+W is unfortunately out of stock.) The Tiffen & Hoya are both under 75.00; the Heliopan (also out of stock) is under 150.00. Will the 225.00+ Hasselblad outperform the ~75.00 Hoya? -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:09:11 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: SNIP your posts Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005120756.00bfeab0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> Everything below was attached to ONE off-topic post. While I don't care (too much) about the off-topic issue, there is NO REASON at all for people not to snip posts, PLEASE! Henry Posner At 03:10 AM 10/05/2000, you wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > >>> service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not > >>> responsible for its content. This mailing list is > >>> in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > >>> subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >>> > >>> To change your subscription status, go to: > >>> > >>http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >>> Digest archives are stored at > >>> http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >>> Searchable archives can be found at > >>http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > >> > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Yahoo! 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This mailing list > >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > >affiliates. > >> > >>To change your subscription status, go to: > >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >>Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >>Searchable archives can be found at > >http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > >affiliates. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: > >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing > list > >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > >affiliates. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: > >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:22:33 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: polarizer for Hassy Message-ID: <39DCAACA.548E04A2@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > > At 03:10 AM 10/05/2000, you wrote: > >There can't be much difference in price between the Hassy polarizer and a > >Kasemann polarizer. > > All filters are Bay 60 linear polarizers for comparison sake, and all > prices are $US. > The Hassy & the B+W Kaesemann are within $10.00 of one another and both are > above 225.00. > (The B+W is unfortunately out of stock.) > The Tiffen & Hoya are both under 75.00; the Heliopan (also out of stock) is > under 150.00. > > Will the 225.00+ Hasselblad outperform the ~75.00 Hoya? > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner what kinda coatings on the Hoya? mark rabiner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:34:58 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: polarizer for Hassy Message-ID: <4.1.20001005091833.00c99380@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 12:06 PM 10/5/00 -0400, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > >Will the 225.00+ Hasselblad outperform the ~75.00 Hoya? > >Henry Posner Good question... I like the fact that it was stated as a question. Why take a chance. You presume that a Hasselblad filter is at a quality level on par with Zeiss lenses. That is, image degradation will be at the absolute minimum. Perhaps the Hoya filter is of the same quality. But I have seen Hoya filter rejects and my local west coast photo supplier no longer carries Hoya because of Hoya QC problems. There are certain filter manufacturers/suppliers that stand out as being as good as you can get, optically. B+W, Heliopan, Leica, and Hasselblad. It is possible that Leica and Hasselblad filters are supplied by B+W and/or Heliopan, perhaps even Hoya. But I believe that the QC of the shipped product from B+W, Heliopan, Leica, and Hasselblad, is trustworthy. I've seen faults in Tiffen, Hoya, Cokin, H&H, etc. But never (personally) with B+W, Heliopan, Leica, and Hasselblad. After all, who wants to pay $2000-$3000 (or more) for a Zeiss lens, only to have it degraded to a $75 lens by a lousy filter. This is, of course, is My Humble Opinion. We all have our quirks, mine happens to be to preserve, at all costs, the optical quality of my lenses. All filters degrade your lens' optical performance. I choose those filters with the reputation of being the best, and to degrade the image the least. Again, IMH 50 years in the business O, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:38:31 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: polarizer for Hassy Message-ID: <84.b99bebb.270e32b7@aol.com> In a message dated 10/5/00 1:33:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jim_brick@agilent.com writes: << After all, who wants to pay $2000-$3000 (or more) for a Zeiss lens, only to have it degraded to a $75 lens by a lousy filter. >> In my experience, the same person who doesn't consider that a $2000-3000 lens can be degraded to a $75 lens by a couple grains of grit left when when wiping the front element at the end of a long day, even after careful brushing and canned air. Me, in other words, once upon a time. The front element (only sold as a group) of a 50/4 C T* cost $1100 (about $400 less than I paid for the lens used), but is no longer available so the lens got sold for $500 as-is. Same thing happened to a Leica telephoto lens. One lesson evidently wasn't enough for me. Two definitely did the trick. I use a variety of different filters, have had them all tested on a camera repairman-friend's collimeter. Oddly, Tiffen filters have the highest consistency of flatness, but the worst (i.e. none) coating. My favorite filters for UV are the Nikon L37C's which are multicoated, and the Hasselblads. The Hoya UV-O is not color neutral, it's very slightly tinted orange-brown. In polarizers, the only multi-coated one I've used is the Hoya. The coatings are very susceptible to scratching. Most of my polarizers are Hoya (double-coated) and B+W. I must be lucky because I've bought almost all of them used and they're all of equal quality, per collimeter. If you really want a good laugh, look at a resin filter through a collimeter. I now use Tiffen glass split ND grads. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:43:37 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: polarizer for Hassy Message-ID: <4.1.20001005143803.025382b0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 03:38 PM 10/5/00 -0400, InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > If you really want a good laugh, look at a resin filter through >a collimeter. I now use Tiffen glass split ND grads. As do I. I'm not obsessed with B+W, Heliopan, etc. I just want to be careful. I really like Tiffen split ND filters. I also use several Tiffen colored glass filters. Tobac, sunrise, etc... Experience is how you make your decisions. I just related my experience and how it led me to my conclusions. Everyone will be different. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:17:13 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: C-series lens spares Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001005191713.00999100@pop.roanoke.infi.net> At 09:12 AM 10/5/2000 EDT, InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: >I thought the older lenses had Compur shutters, the CF series has Prontor? > The Zeiss Foundation had Albert Gauthier of Calmbach, (AGC), maker of the Prontor shutter, buy all the assets of FW Deckel of Munich, maker of the Compur, around 1984. Around 1992, Zeiss bankrupted Deckel. Hence, all Compur shutters for the past 16 years have actually come from Gauthier. (And let's not get off on the workforce Gauthier used for years, off-season farmboys from the Calmbach area.) Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:00:11 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: C-series lens spares Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001005200011.0094f4b0@pop.roanoke.infi.net> Oh! I should have pointed out that Albert Gauthier and FW Deckel were both subsidiaries of the Zeiss Foundation, as Gauthier is today. Gauthier has made the slow-speed escapement for Leitz/Leica since its inception with the III in '34 or so. (I am too damned tired to look up the date right now -- I've been answering a battleship question over on one of the WWII Lists, and all my at-hand references are on Large Obsolete Naval Vessels and none around on cameras!) Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1010 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html