hasselblad Sat, 21 Oct 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1024 In this issue: Digital Quickie Breakeven Analysis WTB Leica, but FS or FT - Hass*** Re: Digital quality Carry-on Re: Carry-on Re: Carry-on Re: Carry-on Re: Carry-on Re: Carry-on Re: Carry-on Re: Carry-on ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:14:21 -0400 From: "Altaf Shaikh" To: Subject: Digital Quickie Breakeven Analysis Message-ID: Fuji Astia Grey Market 220 7.49 Dip and Dunk Processing 9.00 for 220 Total Cost per roll: 16.49 Digital Back Cost 20000 Total # of rolls needed to be shot to break even 1212.856277 50 Shooting Weeks per year 50 # of rolls needed to be shot per week 24.25712553 Did not include messenger costs, Polaroid (a serious amt of cash if used in volume), computer equipment needed for digital, time savings, costs due to proofs, etc... These figures are for a 1 year break even point on the investment, if you depreciated it out to 3 years digital gets a lot cheaper fast. Total rolls per week needed to be shot drops to 8.08570851. This is not a complete analysis just a brief pointer so take it as such. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:18:51 -0400 From: Vick Ko To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: WTB Leica, but FS or FT - Hass*** Message-ID: <39F02A1B.9B3864A9@sympatico.ca> To the LUG group, I just placed an order for a Noctilux, due next week - and I'm tingly with excitement! But - a major crater in my bank book has developed. I have a black Hasselblad 500C body with black A12 that I would like to liquidate so that I can recover, or, in my state of delirium, buy other Leica items. I'm willing to trade the body/magazine + cash for Leica items, or sell the camera outright. I'm looking for: Leica M4 body Leica M5 body Leica R6.2 body & lens other interesting M or LTM items - let's talk Thanks Vick, in Ottawa Canada The Hasselblad description follows: 500CM Black, serial RC129.... - $750 CAD or $500 USD Comes with black waist level finder. Black enamel body, fold-out wind lever, minor scuffs on outside handle of wind lever light marks on carry-handle buttons, paint wear on only one corner of body, adjacent to lens release button, light wear on internal body face where magazine mates. Paint on waist level finder is immaculate. A12 Magazine RU330.... $450 CAD or $300 USD Black enamel. Inserts match - comes with dark slide. Paint wear on top left edge between release button and corner (1/8 metal strip is bare for 1"), paint wear on bottom edge of magazine adjacent to where camera body attaches. Paint wear (small spots) next to wind lever. Internal face that mates to camera shows no wear (better than external paint condition!) Have used magazine, film spacing is fine; no light leaks. The body is cosmetically better than the magazine, but the camera works great. I don't have boxes or body cap. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger To: LEO WOLK , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Digital quality Message-ID: <20001020133253.23338.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Leo, I guess you're right. They are targeting the market niche of high-end big budget photo houses, not the little guy. One is reminded of the introduction of the PC back in the 1980's and how prices started dropping. Perhaps that has set a precedent that we now sort of expect digital to fall in price similarly. --- LEO WOLK wrote: > Ridiculous for you both, perhaps. Leaf (sp?) backs > cost considerably more, > and are a "must have" for all high end professional > studios. Obsolence be > damned, if the customer wants huge digital files, > that's what you give 'em. > > By the time you guys wait for digital to be > "affordable" the ship will have > sailed. These are high-end professional tools, for > high-end professional > photographers, with high-end professional budgets! > > Just my $.02, Leo. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BobR38@aol.com > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:18 PM > Subject: Re: Digital quality > > > >In a message dated 10/19/00 7:44:44 PM Central > Daylight Time, > >contaxaholic@yahoo.com writes: > > > ><< $20,000 for a back is totally ridiculous. >> > > > >No kidding....as I stated before, let's get real > here! Stick to film, it's > >what we love and want around. Digital is a fancy > toy for us just to marvel > at > >and send on-line images across wires. Film is the > artistic, ever-enduring > >medium. That's the Past, Present, and Future. > >Bob R. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its > content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, > it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not > responsible for its content. This mailing list is > in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:15:55 -0500 From: "Bob Miano" To: Subject: Carry-on Message-ID: <000501c03ab9$68b5a770$7b00a8c0@technisonic> A couple travel/storage questions: Recently I bought a Tamrac 678 "Rolling Photo Backpack" to carry my Hassy and lenses in. I bought it over the net and was a little surprised at how big it was when it arrived - I had hoped for something that I could easily fly with as a carry-on. My question is CAN I carry this on to a plane??? I have this fear of being told at the last minute that the bag needs to be checked and letting $15,000 worth of gear out of my sight protected only by a soft-sided case...YIKES! Second question...I have four Photogenic 1250DR strobes that I would also like to travel with. Any suggestions on a case that will carry the strobes, small stands and accessories for air travel and around town??? Thanks in advance for your help/suggestions! bmiano@technisonic.com www.technisonic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:31:24 -0400 From: "Klaus Knuth" To: Subject: Re: Carry-on Message-ID: <007f01c03abb$92a731a0$c4d60f3f@kknuth> Bob: I'm afraid there's no easy answer. As the plane fills up any airline becomes less tolerant and can even make you check a carried-on piece when the overhead compartments are occupied. Otherwise you should be safe, when the bag fits into a metal gadget that most airlines provide in front of their check-in counters to determine if hand baggage has to be checked. Tip: Try out, if your bag fits easily into one of those metal containers, and once you want to get on a plane, be sure to come early, so you'll find sufficient space in the overhead bins once you're on board. Klaus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miano" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:15 PM Subject: Carry-on > A couple travel/storage questions: > > Recently I bought a Tamrac 678 "Rolling Photo Backpack" to carry my Hassy > and lenses in. I bought it over the net and was a little surprised at how > big it was when it arrived - I had hoped for something that I could easily > fly with as a carry-on. My question is CAN I carry this on to a plane??? I > have this fear of being told at the last minute that the bag needs to be > checked and letting $15,000 worth of gear out of my sight protected only by > a soft-sided case...YIKES! > > Second question...I have four Photogenic 1250DR strobes that I would also > like to travel with. Any suggestions on a case that will carry the strobes, > small stands and accessories for air travel and around town??? > > Thanks in advance for your help/suggestions! > > bmiano@technisonic.com > www.technisonic.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:40:19 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Carry-on Message-ID: In a message dated 10/20/00 1:19:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bmiano@technisonic.com writes: << Recently I bought a Tamrac 678 "Rolling Photo Backpack" to carry my Hassy and lenses in. I bought it over the net and was a little surprised at how big it was when it arrived - I had hoped for something that I could easily fly with as a carry-on. My question is CAN I carry this on to a plane???>> You can always call the airline for their dimensions, or take the bag to the airport now and see if it fits in those sizing boxes they have scattered around. Some airlines are stricter than others, and some (as I found out the hard way on a return flight from London via Virgin Atlantic Airlines) have a ridiculously low *weight* restriction on hand-carry in addition to the dimensional ones. I had a Kelty rucksack (well within the size limit) inside was a spare change of clothes, spare glasses, a large ziplock bag full of film, a couple magazines, plus my little Domke F5XB shoulder bag with 2 Leicas and 4 lenses. Total weight was more than 6kg and they wouldn't let it pass. Like most bureaucratic regulations, theirs were totally illogical, which worked in my favor: they allowed *two* hand-carry bags, so long as neither was beyond the weight limit, so I simply removed the Domke and slung it over my shoulder until I got on the plane, then put it back in the backpack. <> Samsonite hard-shell rolling suitcases which you foam-pad yourself. Very discreet, very inexpensive, compared to photo cases that seem to shout to the baggage-handlers: "EXPENSIVE BREAKABLE STUFF INSIDE, GO AHEAD TAKE YOUR BEST SHOT!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:50:56 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Carry-on Message-ID: <79.b038c13.2721e000@aol.com> I should add something: I recently took an air trip with a Hasselblad kit (2 bodies, 3 lenses, 3 backs, 2 meters, film, filters and a Rollei 35). I first packed it into my Lowepro Photo-Trekker and it was horribly heavy. Desperation led me to find a way to get it all comfortably into a Mini-Trekker, and the whole shebang was not much more than the *empty* weight of the bigger backpack. Sometimes we forget to factor in the weight of the bag itself. Materials make a huge difference. My enormous, heavily-padded Tamrac shoulder bag (the one with the rear strobe hatch) actually weighs less than my almost un-padded and much smaller Domke F1X, due to the weight of canvas. One option I can heartily endorse, is the Op-Tech SOS and SOS-Mini bag straps. They make a heavy bag very comfortable to carry--and often the airport gate attendants won't ask to weigh a bag if it doesn't look like it's heavy, i.e. you're not listing 45-degrees to one side with a look of tortured agony on your face! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:54:40 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Carry-on Message-ID: <4.1.20001020135035.0172c560@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> All major airlines post carry-on baggage policies on their web sites. Dimensions and number & type of bags are listed. Another answer is to fly 1st class. There are basically no restrictions (within reasonable limits of course.) You can think of the extra money spent as buying cabin space for you camera gear. And a good seat for your back. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:58:49 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Carry-on Message-ID: In a message dated 10/20/00 4:52:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jim_brick@agilent.com writes: << Another answer is to fly 1st class. There are basically no restrictions (within reasonable limits of course.) You can think of the extra money spent as buying cabin space for you camera gear. And a good seat for your back. Jim >> I frequently go for Business Class, it's a lot less expensive than 1st class, the seat's the same nice one (really makes a difference on a trans-pacific flight, believe me!), and so far my experience has been that they allow 2 hand-carries even if coach travellers get only one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:21:20 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Carry-on Message-ID: <39F0D370.9472CEAC@rabiner.cncoffice.com> InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > > I should add something: I recently took an air trip with a Hasselblad kit (2 > bodies, 3 lenses, 3 backs, 2 meters, film, filters and a Rollei 35). I first > packed it into my Lowepro Photo-Trekker and it was horribly heavy. > Desperation led me to find a way to get it all comfortably into a > Mini-Trekker, and the whole shebang was not much more than the *empty* weight > of the bigger backpack. Sometimes we forget to factor in the weight of the > bag itself. Materials make a huge difference. My enormous, heavily-padded > Tamrac shoulder bag (the one with the rear strobe hatch) actually weighs less > than my almost un-padded and much smaller Domke F1X, due to the weight of > canvas. One option I can heartily endorse, is the Op-Tech SOS and SOS-Mini > bag straps. They make a heavy bag very comfortable to carry--and often the > airport gate attendants won't ask to weigh a bag if it doesn't look like it's > heavy, i.e. you're not listing 45-degrees to one side with a look of tortured > agony on your face! Coincidently I use all both bags you as talking about and the straps too. They make a great combination and are designed quite well. A quality strap makes all the difference sometimes approaching the cost of the bag they support. I first got the larger Photo-Trekker but then the smaller one two days later. Great to have bags in incremental sizes and to make sure the fit under todays airline seats. mark rabiner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:24:29 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Carry-on Message-ID: <4.1.20001020162158.017ed320@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 06:58 PM 10/20/00 -0400, InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > >I frequently go for Business Class, it's a lot less expensive than 1st class, >the seat's the same nice one (really makes a difference on a trans-pacific >flight, believe me!), and so far my experience has been that they allow 2 >hand-carries even if coach travellers get only one. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- Usually two hand carries plus a purse, computer, or camera bag. My experience has been that they don't measure the carry on for 1st class. So three bags, two can be quite large. Jim ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1024 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html