hasselblad Fri, 27 Oct 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1030 In this issue: unrepairable Zeiss lenses listing (besides 50mm f/4 C T*..?) Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Re:manual or info from a patience person RE: manual or info from a patience person Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Re: manual or info from a patience person Re: RE: manual or info from a patience person ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:26:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Monaghan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: unrepairable Zeiss lenses listing (besides 50mm f/4 C T*..?) Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > brushing and canned air. Me, in other words, once upon a time. The front > element (only sold as a group) of a 50/4 C T* cost $1100 (about $400 less > than I paid for the lens used), but is no longer available so the lens got > sold for $500 as-is. Same thing happened to a Leica telephoto lens. One Is there a listing of unrepairable zeiss/hasselblad lens elements (and related parts)? Such a listing would seem to be very useful given points on 50mm f/4 C T* no longer having lens element replacements available.. conversely, I considered buying an 80mm on photonet needing a repair, so I recently priced out a lens front element for 80mm f/2.8 T* planar 1020760001000 Front Element is available $186.00 - but the info took weeks to get back from email to customer service, so not timely enough... presumably, somebody who repairs hasselblad/zeiss gear might have such a listing of items for which parts are not longer available from the mfgers Is there a VHB/HBUSA site listing such items, or if not, does anybody have similar unrepairable issues with hasselblad related gear or zeiss optics to report? Thanks! (see http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/nofix.html on related posts) regards bobm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:54:25 +0100 From: dancke@online.no To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Message-ID: <200010261259.OAA11603@mail46.fg.online.no> In <84.c734ea0.2728f03b@aol.com>, on 10/25/00 at 10:26 PM, Jlaird@aol.com said: >Another question from the 'I can't believe they designed it this way' >category: I'm using my 503CX which I bought used with one of the old >style peep-hole backs and I've taken 4 or 5 shots when I accidently bump >the wind lever on the back and RESET the back to frame 1! I can't >remember whether I was on frame 4 or 5. Anything I can do now except >wish I had taken notes? Jeez, no wonder they redesigned this thing! (Can >you tell I was frustrated? :) If its a peep hole back you can wind on while looking in the peep hole for the numbers on the backing paper (Stay out of direct sunlight or strong light.). You will have to wind the rest of the film this way, anyway, or the spacing between the frames will be wrong. Use the winder on the filmholder. Disengage the magasne to cock the shutter. John Dancke P.O.Box 98 N-4379 Egersund - Norway ----------------------------------------------------------- Email: dancke@online.no ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:28:42 +0900 From: "Santiago Torres" To: Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Message-ID: <001701c03f50$e3228dc0$a5eb4ca5@computer> Well, actually I find this feature most convenient since the back peep-hole lets you confirm the state of the film at any moment. You can just see whether it is in the 4th or 5th shot. Aditionaly, when my back starts having problems with frame spacing (something that happens way too often) I can check the film position before each shot to avoid overlaping. In fact, I miss this feature in the newer backs. By the way: is there any definitive solution to the frame spacing problems? Santiago. > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:26:03 EDT > From: Jlaird@aol.com > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. > Message-ID: <84.c734ea0.2728f03b@aol.com> > > Another question from the 'I can't believe they designed it this way' > category: I'm using my 503CX which I bought used with one of the old style > peep-hole backs and I've taken 4 or 5 shots when I accidently bump the wind > lever on the back and RESET the back to frame 1! I can't remember whether I > was on frame 4 or 5. Anything I can do now except wish I had taken notes? > Jeez, no wonder they redesigned this thing! (Can you tell I was frustrated? :) > > Jim (about ready to sign on to ebay and look for newer backs) Laird ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:55:09 -0700 From: Mattei To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001026075509.007a2810@popped.cts.com> Hi all: Just my 2 cents but I LOVE THESE BACKS! The older "12" backs are capable of taking 220 with the 220 plug in place. There are also plenty of add-on Hassy wind cranks for them. I've found that It would take some knocking, anyway, for the counter to reset. I've paid between 100.00 to 200.00 for perfectly new 12 backs in San Diego. Peter Mattei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:48:29 EDT From: Digiratidoc@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Message-ID: <16.40502a6.2729ac4d@aol.com> In a message dated 10/26/2000 10:08:12 AM Central Daylight Time, mattei@cts.com writes: << Hi all: Just my 2 cents but I LOVE THESE BACKS! The older "12" backs are capable of taking 220 with the 220 plug in place. There are also plenty of add-on Hassy wind cranks for them. I've found that It would take some knocking, anyway, for the counter to reset. I've paid between 100.00 to 200.00 for perfectly new 12 backs in San Diego. Peter Mattei >> Pardon my ignorance but what is a 220 plug? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:16:02 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Message-ID: <002d01c03f70$6c13d520$81f5f1c3@qnu99> Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > Pardon my ignorance but what is a 220 plug? A 220 plug was used to plug the peep-hole light tight to be able to use 220 film in the non-Automatic backs: I posted the instructions once to the rec.photo.equipment.mediumformat group. Here they are: Hasselblad's original instructions (from 1965!): "The new 220 film has no protective backing paper and, therefore, no light must be allowed to leak in through the film window which must be made light-tight. The manufacturer has therefore made a light-tight plug which is fitted onto the film window, from inside the magazine, with the number "220" facing outwards. The magazine can also be sealed against light by affixing black tape across the film window. Like 120 film, the 220 film has an arrow going across the first paper section. But 220 film has no numbering system. It has, however, a dotted line, about 6" before the crosswise arrow and this dotted line is very important in connection with loading this film in the Hasselblad magazine. To obtain the best possible results in spacing between the negative frames, the manufacturer has prepared three sets of instructions for the three variations in construction of the Hasselblad Magazine 12 now on the market. LOADING INSTRUCTIONS Magazine Construction 1 (Nos 001 - 19,999) a) Thread the film in the usual manner onto the Hasselblad spool-holder. The protecting paper is drawn forward so that the dotted line comes to the center of the receiving spool, (see photo). b) After the spool-holder is inserted in the magazine, set the exposure-counter window at 1. c) Wind the film forwards 7 complete turns (14 half-turns). d) Expose 12 frames (no stop). e) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. f) Expose another 12 frames (no stop). Magazine Construction 2 (Nos. 20,000 - 64,399) a) Thread the film in the usual manner onto the Hasselblad spool-holder. The protecting paper is drawn forward so that the dotted line comes to the center of the receiving spool, (see photo). b) After the spool-holder is inserted in the magazine, set the exposure counter window at 1. c) Wind the film forwards, 10 complete turns (20 half-turns), or until the framenumber 8 begins to appear in the mechanism of the exposure-counter window. d) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. e) Expose 12 frames (until stop). f) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. g) Expose another 12 frames (until stop). Magazine Construction 3 (Nos. 64,400 - ) a) Thread the film in the usual manner onto the Hasselblad spool-holder. The protecting paper is drawn forward so that the dotted line comes to the center of the receiving spoof, (see photo). b) After the spool-holder is inserted in the magazine, set the exposure-counter window at 1. c) Wind the film forwards 9 complete turns (18 half-turns), or until framenumber 7 appears in the mechanism of the exposure-counter window. d) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. e) Expose 12 frames (until stop). f) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. g) Expose another 12 frames (until stop). Loading in accordance with the above gives relatively good spacing results troughout. In the older magazines, that is Construction 1 and also Construction 2, it must be expected that certain frames, especially in the film-section 8-12, can overlap by a few millimeters. But spacing is better in the newest magazine, Construction 3. Regarding the loading of Magazine 16 and 16S which have manufacturing numbers below 204.200, these should be loaded in accordance with the instructions according to Magazine Construction 2; from manufacturing number 204.200 and above, according to Magazine Construction 3. In both cases, the resetting of the exposure-counter window is to be done after 16 exposures have been made." End quote. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:57:20 -0700 From: Mattei To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001026105720.007a1330@popped.cts.com> >>Today, The Esteemed Mattei gathered electrons and wrote: >> >>> anyway, for the counter to reset. I've paid between 100.00 to 200.00 for >> >>Wow! Good price. Is this place in SD top secret? >> >>ERic > > > >Eric, et al: > >Here's the scoop.... Being nice pays great dividends. I've been appalled at times by the behavior of so many camera-types over these past years. Many of them (no HUG-ers, I'm sure) are such nasty old crones. Yes, San Diego may just be the nicest city I've ever been in. The people are gracious to a fault. For its size, there is a warmth and generosity that defies modern norms. We're trying real hard to keep it that way. > >I've always been courteous with the salespeople behind the counter, never made a fuss over a price and usually pay the sticker on the used item. Aside from film and batteries it is a rare day that I purchase new. After awhile, the salespeople and proprietors have become good friends and aquaintances bonded by a common interest. > >I've purchased two A-12's for 300.00 apiece when they came in, unused, from an estate purchase. This was at Nelson's, a large store with lots of corporate accounts. Their reasoning is that they will establish cashflow with their inventory as opposed to letting it rot a-la NYC. I'm sure that Nelson's made a tidy 50 - 70%. I paid cash and they had their turnover in just a day. I've purchased "12" backs at Camera Exposure, where there is always something interesting in Hasselblad, usually at modest prices. Just this last week, a 500 CM sold, MIB, for 500.00. I don't think that it had ever been used. I've paid, as I mentioned earlier, 100. & 200. for these "12" backs there, depending on what they paid to get them, time of year, lunar cycle, whatever. The point is, that I don't quibble and inevitably, the clerk will shoot me a discount anyway. I've also purchased two "12" backs in superslide mode. These backs are geared for 16 exposures. Since these are the older type, 32 exposures are possible. The superslide backs came also in their original boxes essentially unused @ 100. apiece. When I get around to them, I'll swap a 645 plate and have fun. The backs came with clear viewfinder inserts which will allow viewing 645 as well. > >I can't tell you the number of times that the same old Saturday morning camera shop regulars have begun to haggle with clerks at the shops within earshot of every other customer in the store. You'll get absolutely nowhere with "attitude" in San Diego. > >AS to the 220 plugs, they were a neat molded plastic plug manufactured by VH back in the 60's(?) -- my Nordin is at the office. The plugs fit into the peephole for exactly the purpose of allowing 220 to be used in the 12 backs. Full instructions are in the Freytag book. Talk about saving a ton of money. One can certainly make their own plug with clean pliant materials, ie a rubber stopper, perhaps. Additionally, one could then mask the stoppered hole with gaffer's tape. The little rewind knobs are great and I've paid between 5. and 20. apiece for them. I purchased a bag of ten 220 plugs at Nelson's for about 2.00 a couple of years ago. Those Hasselblad parts-n-pieces bins under the counter hide wonderful finds and the 220 plugs normally filter to the bottom. > >Be nice, folks. Rage against the early onset of OFS (old fart syndrome). You'll contrast noticeably against the others. > > >Peter Mattei > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:01:56 -0700 From: Mattei To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001026110156.007a2580@popped.cts.com> >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:53:12 -0700 >To: "Q.G. de Bakker" >From: Mattei >Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Desinged It This Way. >In-Reply-To: <002d01c03f70$6c13d520$81f5f1c3@qnu99> >References: <16.40502a6.2729ac4d@aol.com> > > > >>Hasselblad's original instructions (from 1965!): > > >Thanks, Q.G. > >Even the Freytag didn't have that level of detail. I've been using the 9-revolutions method. Now I'll go back and check the serial numbers. See? That's the kind of great info available here and hardly anywhere else! > >Peter Mattei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:09:26 -0500 From: "Donna Dene English" To: Subject: Re:manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: I just bought a used 500C. I have shot 4 rolls of film and they are all = unused when I process them. I am not doing something right. I have = written Hasselbald about a manual but have not response so far. Does = anyone have a suggestion. I have looked at web sites for manuals too. Donna Dene English ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:16:22 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: <001401c03f9a$6038e9f0$0100a8c0@paolopent> Hello Donna, Welcome to the Hasselblad world, once you get by the first glitches, you will wonder how you managed to photograph before. You may be threading the film incorrectly. Put the take-up spool on the side that has the knob. Put the film so that it has a backwards bend as it goes over the rollers to the film plan. insert the film tongue in the take-up spool, and wind up to the arrow (if there is one, otherwise just wind the film 3/4 turn (or one turn even) and then, depending on the back, insert the insert into the magazine, and wind until the winder stops. Others on this forum are definitely more expert than I am, but this is a start. Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Donna Dene English [mailto:denglish@smwc.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:09 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re:manual or info from a patience person I just bought a used 500C. I have shot 4 rolls of film and they are all unused when I process them. I am not doing something right. I have written Hasselbald about a manual but have not response so far. Does anyone have a suggestion. I have looked at web sites for manuals too. Donna Dene English ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:18:05 EDT From: Digiratidoc@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Message-ID: <87.203acea.272a15ad@aol.com> In a message dated 10/26/2000 1:10:26 PM Central Daylight Time, mattei@cts.com writes: << > > > >>Hasselblad's original instructions (from 1965!): > > >Thanks, Q.G. > >Even the Freytag didn't have that level of detail. I've been using the 9-revolutions method. Now I'll go back and check the serial numbers. See? That's the kind of great info available here and hardly anywhere else! > >Peter Mattei >> Two questions: 1) What is the Hasselblad model number for the 'peep-hole' back? I see used backs listed sometimes just by their model number. 2) What is the difference between an A-12 and a 12 back? Thanks in advance for any information. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:36:11 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001026193611.00962b20@pop.roanoke.infi.net> At 07:18 PM 10/26/2000 EDT, Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > 2) What is the difference between an A-12 and a 12 back? Well, primarily that 'peep-hole'. I have one 12 back (a 1000F back that works on my 2000FCM) and an A12 back. I prefer the 12 back for reliability. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:48:44 -0500 From: mark berkley To: paolop@snet.net Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: <39F8D0EC.236001EB@gate.net> Wind until (which) winder stops? The magazine winder or the body winder? Paolo Pignatelli wrote: > > Hello Donna, > Welcome to the Hasselblad world, once you get by the first glitches, you > will wonder how you managed to photograph before. > > You may be threading the film incorrectly. Put the take-up spool on the > side that has the knob. Put the film so that it has a backwards bend as it > goes over the rollers to the film plan. insert the film tongue in the > take-up spool, and wind up to the arrow (if there is one, otherwise just > wind the film 3/4 turn (or one turn even) and then, depending on the back, > insert the insert into the magazine, and wind until the winder stops. > > Others on this forum are definitely more expert than I am, but this is a > start. > > Paolo > > Paolo Pignatelli > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Dene English [mailto:denglish@smwc.edu] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:09 PM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re:manual or info from a patience person > > I just bought a used 500C. I have shot 4 rolls of film and they are all > unused when I process them. I am not doing something right. I have written > Hasselbald about a manual but have not response so far. Does anyone have a > suggestion. I have looked at web sites for manuals too. > > Donna Dene English > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:31:01 EDT From: ShadCat11@aol.com To: paolop@snet.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: RE: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: In a message dated 10/26/2000 6:17:05 PM, you wrote: <> Very important addendum: There is, on the winder side of the insert, a film channel. That is opened by turning the locking key to its straight up and down position. The paper leader must first pass under this channel before being attached to the takeup spool. Once the paper leader is in place, turn the key so the channel lip grabs the film edge. Place the insert into the magazine body, lock it in place with the key and wind on to #1. It is easier to do this than to explain it, but once you get the hang of it, the design logic makes sense. ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1030 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html