hasselblad Sat, 28 Oct 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1031 In this issue: RE: manual or info from a patience person Basic question about loading film Re: Basic question about loading film RE: manual or info from a patience person Re: manual or info from a patience person Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Re: Basic question about loading film Re: manual or info from a patience person Re: Basic question about loading film Re: RE: manual or info from a patience person Re: Re: manual or info from a patience person Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. McKeown's! Firm Word Of Sorts! Nice SWC for sale Re: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:51:47 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: <000801c04003$e8112090$0100a8c0@paolopent> The magazine winder, if it is the automatic type. Otherwise, look through the peep-hole and align the hole with eh number 1. And, importantly, pay attention to the note by ShadCat11 about passing the paper leader under the rail. Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: mark berkley [mailto:marcober@gate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:49 PM To: paolop@snet.net Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: manual or info from a patience person Wind until (which) winder stops? The magazine winder or the body winder? Paolo Pignatelli wrote: > > Hello Donna, > Welcome to the Hasselblad world, once you get by the first glitches, you > will wonder how you managed to photograph before. > > You may be threading the film incorrectly. Put the take-up spool on the > side that has the knob. Put the film so that it has a backwards bend as it > goes over the rollers to the film plan. insert the film tongue in the > take-up spool, and wind up to the arrow (if there is one, otherwise just > wind the film 3/4 turn (or one turn even) and then, depending on the back, > insert the insert into the magazine, and wind until the winder stops. > > Others on this forum are definitely more expert than I am, but this is a > start. > > Paolo > > Paolo Pignatelli > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Dene English [mailto:denglish@smwc.edu] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:09 PM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re:manual or info from a patience person > > I just bought a used 500C. I have shot 4 rolls of film and they are all > unused when I process them. I am not doing something right. I have written > Hasselbald about a manual but have not response so far. Does anyone have a > suggestion. I have looked at web sites for manuals too. > > Donna Dene English > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:18:34 -0400 From: Ian Towers To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Basic question about loading film Message-ID: <39F9729A.DDFE95C8@sympatico.ca> I have just inherited a 500C with 80 mm and one of the old-style peep-hole backs . I am having a few problems in knowing exactly how to load film, e.g.: -- where the arrow on the film-roll needs to be before you put the back on the camera -- when to set the exposure counter to 1 -- how many times to wind the film forward Thanks Ian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:25:15 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Basic question about loading film Message-ID: Ian, You know, in this day and age of the Internet, you'd think we'd have = on-line scans of the original manuals available. That said: 1. You don't worry about the arrow with the old style back. You simply = take a turn or two on the take-up to make sure it is started. 2. After inserting the film holder into the back, open the peep hole. = Trun the advance crank until you see the "1" on the paper backing of the = 120 film.=20 3. Reset the counter at this time. 4. 220 is different, and you cover the peep hole and count turns, instead. 5. I should not add this, but if you are in a pinch and want to be sure, = open the dark slide a little to make sure there is film, before and after = a critical shot. Peter >>> itowers@sympatico.ca 10/27/00 08:18AM >>> I have just inherited a 500C with 80 mm and one of the old-style peep-hole backs . I am having a few problems in knowing exactly how to load film, e.g.: -- where the arrow on the film-roll needs to be before you put the back on the camera -- when to set the exposure counter to 1 -- how many times to wind the film forward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:34:06 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: Subject: RE: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: This may be obvious, but has the fellow tried removing the back and firing = the camera, observing for proper operation of the lens shutter, mirror and = secondary shutter?=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:31:43 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001027103109.00c9e320@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:43 AM 10/27/2000, you wrote: >Wind until (which) winder stops? The magazine winder or the body winder? Once the magazine is on the body, use the body winder. The mag winder is for loading/unloading when the mag is off body. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:18:55 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Message-ID: <000e01c04029$3a3bac80$07d8f1c3@qnu99> Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > Two questions: > 1) What is the Hasselblad model number for the 'peep-hole' back? I see used > backs listed sometimes just by their model number. The 120 film 6x6 back, that can be used on the 500 C and newer models, had the model number 30015. Serial numbers start at CC 20000 (1955), corresponding to "Magazine construction 2" in the Hasselblad instructions on how to use 220 film in non-automatic 12 backs. They were first made for the 1000 F and SWA cameras. In the late 1950s the 500 C was introduced and with it (?) a new submodel ("Magazine construction 3"). There was no change to the model number. The serial numbers of this 3rd construction magazine start somewhere round 35000. There were two earlier subtypes intended for use on the 1600 F and 1000 F cameras. They will not (?) function properly on 500 C and newer models. They would be "Magazine construction 1". I don't know their model number. > 2) What is the difference between an A-12 and a 12 back? The A12 had a fixed, foldable film wind crank, and it introduced an automatic (hence the 'A') stop, making film loading that much faster. After loading the film onto the insert, and inserting it in the back, it only takes 10 full turns of this crank to put frame 1 into the gate: the wind will block automatically when frame 1 is reached. No more peeping through a small hole in the back of the magazine to see when frame number 1 was reached. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:22:09 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Basic question about loading film Message-ID: <001f01c04029$ad9a9600$07d8f1c3@qnu99> Peter Klosky wrote: > 5. I should not add this, but if you are in a pinch and want to be sure, open the dark slide a little to make sure there is film, before and after a critical shot. No, you really shouldn't have added this! Don't!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:23:50 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: <002401c04029$e950d740$07d8f1c3@qnu99> Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video > >Wind until (which) winder stops? The magazine winder or the body winder? > > Once the magazine is on the body, use the body winder. The mag winder is > for loading/unloading when the mag is off body. Not so. When loading film, always use the magazine winder. On or off body. The body winder is only used to transport film from one exposure to the next (and to recock the shutterof course). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:55:37 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Basic question about loading film Message-ID: Ok, but I'll explain a classic technician's technique for checking frame = spacing and film loading. Remove the back and slide after each shot and = draw on the film with a pen. When the film is removed at the end, you can = directly observe the spacing without the need for development. The film = is otherwise wasted, of course. >>> "Q.G. de Bakker" 10/27/00 11:22AM >>> Peter Klosky wrote: > 5. I should not add this, but if you are in a pinch and want to be sure, open the dark slide a little to make sure there is film, before and after = a critical shot. No, you really shouldn't have added this! Don't!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:01:26 EDT From: ShadCat11@aol.com To: paolop@snet.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: RE: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/2000 6:52:24 AM, you wrote: <> I apologise for not having signed my earlier post. My name is Allen Zak. ShadCat11 is an e-mail address, from Shadow Catcher, a Pago Pago Islander term for photographer from a book of that title published in the 1930s. I don't mind being called ShadCat ( raffish, don't you think?), but just want you to know I am not trying to be anonymous like the Guy Who Wants His Name Left Out Of It. Allen Zak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:37:56 EDT From: ShadCat11@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Re: manual or info from a patience person Message-ID: <57.cde42c5.272b0964@aol.com> In a message dated 10/27/2000 10:36:52 AM, you wrote: <<>Wind until (which) winder stops? The magazine winder or the body winder? Once the magazine is on the body, use the body winder. The mag winder is for loading/unloading when the mag is off body. >> Not correct. The mag winder is used for loading film, whether or not the magazine is off the body. The winding knob/crank advances the film, drops the mirror and winds the shutter. You couldn't possibly line up that first number with the camera winding in fixed increments. Now that our Seeker is confused with this conflicting information, could some kind soul please recommend a site where a manual for this camera/mag might be offered? After all, why should anyone take my word over that of Henry Posner, or vice versa? Have you asked Hasselblad directly for instructions? Allen Zak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:33:55 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: I Can't Believe They Designed It This Way. Message-ID: <000801c0403c$43ddd200$94dbf1c3@qnu99> Q.G. de Bakker (that's me) wrote: > [...] > In the late 1950s the 500 C was introduced and with it (?) a new submodel > ("Magazine construction 3"). There was no change to the model number. The > serial numbers of this 3rd construction magazine start somewhere round > 35000. Now am i stupid, or what? Why do i say that the serial numbers of this type start "somewhere round 35000", when i first quote Hasselblad to you, telling us that they start at 64400? ... 8( Sorry! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:34:36 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us, rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Cc: , idcc@kjsl.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: McKeown's! Firm Word Of Sorts! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001027153436.00941ba0@pop.roanoke.infi.net> I received my Pre-Publication announcement today. The cost is $112 for the hardback and $101 for the softback, both postpaid in the US. Orders at this price must be recieved by 15 DEC 00. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:34:00 -1000 From: "Bill Souza" To: Subject: Nice SWC for sale Message-ID: <005201c04087$88642140$bd595e18@hawaii.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C04033.B6196040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back in January I corresponded with someone on the list about the chrome = SWC I had for sale; but I cannot find my old email. If that someone is still interested (or anyone else for that matter) please email me off-list. Sorry for the time lapse; travel and work come first, unfortunately. ps. the SWC has since been given a CLA, an overhaul, and a clean bill of = health from Gil Ghiltelman. Price with A-12 back; $1750; which I feel is a=20 really good deal. I can provide pictures (of the camera) if anyone is = interested. I also have a very, very nice 500c/m w/WL, 80mm CF T*, A-12 back, = leather strap (body and back serial RTxxxxxxx) (Mint-) $1700. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C04033.B6196040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Back in January I corresponded with someone on the list about the = chrome=20 SWC
I had for sale; but I cannot find my old email. If that someone is=20 still
interested (or anyone else for that matter) please email me = off-list.
Sorry for the time lapse; travel and work come first, = unfortunately.
 
 
 
ps. the SWC has since been given a CLA, an overhaul, and a clean = bill of=20 health
from Gil Ghiltelman. Price with A-12 back; $1750; which I feel is a =
really good deal. I can provide pictures (of the camera) if anyone = is=20 interested.
I also have a very, very nice 500c/m  w/WL, 80mm CF T*, A-12 = back,=20 leather strap
   (body and back serial RTxxxxxxx) (Mint-)=20 $1700.
Bill
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C04033.B6196040-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:53:29 -0400 From: "Dr. Elliot Puritz" To: Subject: Message-ID: <002701c04092$a32cd0c0$2b028bd1@f6bq001> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C04071.1B4A2520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill Souza: Bill...can I have your Email address? Elliot drpuritz@li.net ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C04071.1B4A2520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill Souza:
 
Bill...can I have your Email = address?
 
Elliot
 
drpuritz@li.net
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C04071.1B4A2520-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:14:35 -1000 From: "Bill Souza" To: Subject: Re: Message-ID: <002b01c04095$95110800$bd595e18@hawaii.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C04041.C3129240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry I forgot my email address in the previous shameless 'for sale' email. ws@hawaii.rr.com Bill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr. Elliot Puritz=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:53 PM Bill Souza: Bill...can I have your Email address? Elliot drpuritz@li.net ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C04041.C3129240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry I forgot my email address in the
previous shameless 'for sale' email.
 
 
Bill
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr. Elliot = Puritz=20
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 = 5:53=20 PM

Bill Souza:
 
Bill...can I have your Email=20 address?
 
Elliot
 
drpuritz@li.net
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