hasselblad Tue, 31 Oct 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1034 In this issue: RE: Non-Hasselblad filters 86mm Orange Hasselblad Filter For Sale making B&W slides from a B&W negative Re: McKeown's! Firm Word Of Sorts! Re: making B&W slides (cont'ed) Re: McKeown's! Firm Word Of Sorts! OUCH! Re: hasselblad V1 #1031 Re: Basic question about loading film Re: OUCH! Re: OUCH! Re: Basic question about loading film Re: New users Re: OUCH! FS: Hasselblad 55mm extension tube - US$100 Re: making B&W slides (cont'ed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:42:50 -0500 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: Non-Hasselblad filters Message-ID: <000001c04266$88ae36f0$0100a8c0@paolopent> What filters have you? Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: JCurcio@aol.com [mailto:JCurcio@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 9:06 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Non-Hasselblad filters I have the B+W. Wonderful filters and maybe 1/3 the price of the Hassy ones. They have the bayonet mounts. You CAN stack filters and a cap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:59:14 EST From: DKFletcher@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: 86mm Orange Hasselblad Filter For Sale Message-ID: <44.87e4982.272ed8b2@aol.com> I have been using it on 350mm lens. Will work with others lenses, newer style ring. Mint Mint++ condition, no marks glass is perfect. No box or holder though. offers? Dirk dkfletcher@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:11:04 +0100 (CET) From: bigler@ens2m.fr To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: making B&W slides from a B&W negative Message-ID: <200010301511.QAA00969@belenos.ens2m.fr> >From : Amr Ibrahim A question about making B&W slides from a B&W negative. Summary : microfilm developed with a regular developer like D-76 (to get a continous tonal range) yields excellent results for a 35mm B&W slide copied from a regular B&W negative. The problem is however to find an equivalent microfilm in medium format to get MF slides. -------------------------------------------- Details based on my own experiments : The problem to get a nice B&W slide from a B&W negative is to use a copying film with a dense layer of silver halide in order to get a high maximum optical density. I've obtained in the past excellent results by copying a 6x6 negative on a 35 mm film with a regular bellows attachment on a 35 mm SLR. Needless to say that the grain of a microfilm is much smaller than a conventional B&W film. I do not see any reason why this should not work with a 6x6 bellows attachment. I used the built-in TTL metering system as a base for exposure but had to do some extensive bracketing +- 3 f/stops by .5 f/stops in the early experimental stage. Since you are measuring an image with a continuous range of tones you do not have to correct as much as you should do for printed text covering a small part on a white background. With a Hasselblad 500 series I would use a hand held meter equiped with a darkroom attachment like the Gossen "labor" attachment and measure light (either continuous or flash) in the film plane (film back removed, shutter opened) like if I was using an enlarger with the meter on the baseboard. The film I chose was a standard (at least in Europe ;-) 35mm microfilm named "Agfa Copex Pan" initially designed to make a quasi-binary image of a printed page for archival purposes with a very high contrast. The maximum density of this film is something like 4, when processed in a strong developer like Kodak D-19. But this yields an image without mid-tones. For continuous tones I simply developed the microfilm in a regular developer like Ilford ID-11 equivalent to Kodak D-76. I used a 1+1 dilution for 9 minutes at 20 deg. C (68 F). The developer is prepared from a stock solution, diluted 1+1 and then discarded. The equivalent ASA rating was about ASA 40 for copex pan. I used a fluorescent negatoscope as the light source and had typical exposures of 1/30s at f/5.6 to f/11 at a demagnification ratio close to 2:1 (56mm->24mm) Hope this helps, I have the same questions myself since I love B&W slides. I find Scala very expensive ; on the other hand an home-made chemical inversion of conventional B&W films is possible and not very difficult : I've tried it also, Tetenal and Ilford supply such chemicals. It is however very sensitive to the details of the process: temperature, agitation, freshness of the developers etc... The first rolls of slides I got were not totally satisfactory and in any case the shadows were never as dense as with a microfilm. My images improved substantially with the following rolls, but what I realized, even if it is obvious, is that you cannot replay, the film is lost if something goes wrong in the chemical process. Copying a B&W negative is easier since slight variations in contrast and density of the original can be compensated in the final slide by adapting the copying exposure time and development time. -- Emmanuel BIGLER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:48:27 -0500 From: "LEO WOLK" To: Subject: Re: McKeown's! Firm Word Of Sorts! Message-ID: <01c04280$769e3220$498b540c@fofyplfq> Doug Erickson in Minneapolis has them at the Pre-Pub price of $95/$105 including shipping. If anybody's intersted I can post the info. Leo. -----Original Message----- From: Marc James Small To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us ; rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Cc: ZICG@egroups.com ; idcc@kjsl.com ; hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Friday, October 27, 2000 2:29 PM Subject: McKeown's! Firm Word Of Sorts! >I received my Pre-Publication announcement today. The cost is $112 for the >hardback and $101 for the softback, both postpaid in the US. Orders at >this price must be recieved by 15 DEC 00. > >Marc > > >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:44:12 +0100 (CET) From: bigler@ens2m.fr To: bigler@ens2m.fr Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: making B&W slides (cont'ed) Message-ID: <200010301544.QAA01110@belenos.ens2m.fr> After browsing through the Agfa and Kodak websites I came to the conclusion that Kodak Technical Pan, available in 120 rolls (ref #6415) and yielding a wide range of contrast and max density would be my film of choice to experiment home-made B&W slides made from a negative with a 6x6 camera and a bellows. -- Emmanuel BIGLER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:47:20 EST From: BobR38@aol.com To: bigleo@worldnet.att.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: McKeown's! Firm Word Of Sorts! Message-ID: <16.42cc79c.272ef208@aol.com> Leo, Can you post the information for the McKeown's source in Minneapolis? Thanks in advance, Bob R. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:00:28 -0600 From: "Bob Miano" To: Subject: OUCH! Message-ID: <000301c0428a$86ab57b0$7b00a8c0@technisonic> This weekend I noticed some dirt on my Softar filter and decided I should take the opportunity to give it a good cleaning with some lens cleaner and tissue. BAD IDEA! I now have circular scratches all over the filter. Now I'm afraid to ever use lens cleaning tissue on anything...particularly my thousand dollar Zeiss lenses. I've been a photographer for years, but obviously I'm an idiot and I shouldn't have been using lens tissue! Can someone please tell me what I did wrong and how I SHOULD be cleaning dirty filters and lenses! Thanks! Bob Miano bmiano@technisonic.com www.technisonic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:02:05 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1031 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001030110057.00caf540@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 02:45 AM 10/28/2000, you wrote: >------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C04071.1B4A2520 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C04071.1B4A2520-- >------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:14:35 -1000 From: >" To: Subject: Re: Message-ID: <002b01c04095$95110800$bd595e18@.rr.com> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C04041.C3129240 Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe we could STOP sending messages that aren't in ASCII text format, or perhaps the messages could be filtered as they are in the Nikon & Contax Digests? -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:58:36 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Basic question about loading film Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001030105812.00c95c10@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 02:45 AM 10/28/2000, you wrote: >You know, in this day and age of the Internet, you'd think we'd have >on-line scans of the original manuals available. Except they're copyrighted property of the various manufacturers. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: Shane W Davis To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: OUCH! Message-ID: I believe the Softars, like the focusing screens, are plastic and, um, soft. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:11:03 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: OUCH! Message-ID: Bob, If it's any consolation, I did the same thing. We got warnings all the = time over this list, too. The basic deal is that the Softar not only = gives a soft image, it's also made out of really soft plastic. Your = technique is fine for other items, in my experiece. Maybe some compressed = air? You might watch out for mirrors, too. Peter >>> bmiano@technisonic.com 10/30/00 11:00AM >>> This weekend I noticed some dirt on my Softar filter and decided I should take the opportunity to give it a good cleaning with some lens cleaner and tissue. BAD IDEA! I now have circular scratches all over the filter. = Now I'm afraid to ever use lens cleaning tissue on anything...particularly my thousand dollar Zeiss lenses. I've been a photographer for years, but obviously I'm an idiot and I shouldn't have been using lens tissue! Can someone please tell me what I did wrong and how I SHOULD be cleaning dirty filters and lenses! Bob Miano ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:55:56 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Basic question about loading film Message-ID: Henry, I think you may have misunderstood me. Let me clarify. When I say "we'd = have on-line scans" I mean that the manufacturers would provide them. I = realize that some manufacturers would prefer to sell the manuals over = giving this information out over the Internet, but some are starting to = get their items on-line. As an example, the Behringer company, that makes = audio gear, has a first-class site. I wish this company the best of = success, and hope that you join in the struggle to make camera manuals = more broadly available, by advocating for better web sites from folks like = Hasselblad. It's clear to me that more people would become proud owners = of Hasselblads, Nikons, etc. if they were able to obtain training = information easily. The attitude which is coming up in our society is = that a ten year old with a disposable can do just about as well as a = seasoned pro with a Hasselblad or what have you. Here is a link to a = Behringer page: http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/digitalprocessors/dsp1100P.htm=20 Peter >>> henryp@bhphotovideo.com 10/30/00 10:58AM >>> At 02:45 AM 10/28/2000, you wrote: >You know, in this day and age of the Internet, you'd think we'd have >on-line scans of the original manuals available. Except they're copyrighted property of the various manufacturers. Henry Posner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:48:29 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: New users Message-ID: <000f01c042b2$c59bae20$1fc5f1c3@qnu99> M.N.G. Dukes wrote: > I see that some new users of second-hand Hasselblads are in difficulties, including the classic problem of loading the film back to front. > I had exactly the same problems after buying a 500 C/M second-hand in Holland, without an instruction booklet. Finally the people who sold it to me managed to find a brief instruction manual in Dutch - I read Dutch, but it was merely a brief summary of the English manual, without the pictures and thus impossible to follow. Neither the importer nor Hasselblad in Sweden managed to send me the full illustrated set of instructions. So I bought Ernst Wildi's book "The Hasselblad Manual." Quite apart from being a very good general photo book it provides complete and well-illustrated instructions for use for all the models and all the supplementary items. The Fifth Edition (from Focal Press in Boston and Oxford) came out this year (2000). I paid about $75.- for it here in Norway but it is certainly cheaper in the US and UK. > I do agree, however, that Hasselblad ought to put its instructions for current models on the net. I was informed today by Victor Hasselblad AB that: "Plans are already in action about revising and expanding our homepage, and PDFs of original manuals are already on the list, as well as a Frequenty Asked Questions page, etc. I'm not sure when this will happen exactly, but hopefully fairly soon" So help is on it's way! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:28:40 -0800 From: "Joe Codispoti" To: Subject: Re: OUCH! Message-ID: <00cb01c042bd$da993620$2f82e0d8@joecodis> Bob, It is not true that plastic cannot be cleaned with lens cleaner and cloth. Only that certain precautions must be observed in order to avoid scratching the surface. Follow this procedure and you will not have marred filters or lenses (which, by the way, have very hard coatings): Step 1. Dislodge and remove coarse particles or grit with a blower or brush to avoid grinding it into the coating or glass. Step 2. Apply lens cleaner liberally on a lint-free or micro-fiber cloth and wipe gently all surfaces to be cleaned and protected. Step 3. Finish by wiping gently with a dry section of cloth. The cleaned surface will gleam. Be sure to wash the cloth occasionally. Keep brush and cleaning cloths in a clean zip-lock plastic bag to avoid contamination and accumulation of dust and grit. I have been cleaning my Softars and sun glasses for years in this manner and have not experienced any surface degradation. Joe Codispoti >>> bmiano@technisonic.com 10/30/00 11:00AM >>> This weekend I noticed some dirt on my Softar filter and decided I should take the opportunity to give it a good cleaning with some lens cleaner and tissue. BAD IDEA! I now have circular scratches all over the filter. Now I'm afraid to ever use lens cleaning tissue on anything...particularly my thousand dollar Zeiss lenses. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:35:19 -0800 (PST) From: S Gardner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: FS: Hasselblad 55mm extension tube - US$100 Message-ID: <20001031013519.23544.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Shows wear and works well. Digipix available. References at photo.net and ebay. Shipping at cost. U.S. Post Office money order and PayPal OK. email to: scottgee1@yahoo.com Thanks for your interest!/Scott Gardner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Roger To: bigler@ens2m.fr, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: making B&W slides (cont'ed) Message-ID: <20001031033706.23337.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> And what an excellent film it is, Eammanuel. Search the internet for developer recommendations. There are a variety of them, and the Technidol developer is a bit touchy to too much agitation. T-Pan is my favorite B&W film. I've got 11x14 enlargements from 35mm that are grainless until you squint and get your eye up to about 6" from the print, and only then do you begin to see faint traces of grain. I've even got some 8x10 T-Pan film in my freezer which I will use once I figure out how to process it in my Jobo CPP2 equipment. --- bigler@ens2m.fr wrote: > After browsing through the Agfa and Kodak websites I > came to the > conclusion that Kodak Technical Pan, available in > 120 rolls (ref > #6415) and yielding a wide range of contrast and max > density would be > my film of choice to experiment home-made B&W slides > made from a > negative with a 6x6 camera and a bellows. > > -- > Emmanuel BIGLER > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not > responsible for its content. This mailing list is > in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1034 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html