hasselblad Wed, 1 Nov 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1035 In this issue: RE: making B&W slides (cont'ed) Re: Quantum vs Pocket Wizard Hasselblad self timer Question about real need of a vacuum back... Re: Hasselblad self timer Re: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Re: OUCH! Re: OUCH! Re: OUCH! Re: OUCH! B&W slides... New Hassy Friend Needs Help! Re: New Hassy Friend Needs Help! Re: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Re: Question about real need of a vacuum back... RE: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Re: Ordering Information on New McKeown's Guide Comments on 80 lens flare ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:50:24 -0500 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: making B&W slides (cont'ed) Message-ID: <000001c04330$c2073f80$0100a8c0@paolopent> Let me second that opinion, Tech Pan developed in Technidol is superb. I will be trying other developers too, but a 6x6 neg shot with a Hasselblad SWC looks beautiful. Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Roger [mailto:contaxaholic@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:37 PM To: bigler@ens2m.fr; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: making B&W slides (cont'ed) And what an excellent film it is, Eammanuel. Search the internet for developer recommendations. There are a variety of them, and the Technidol developer is a bit touchy to too much agitation. T-Pan is my favorite B&W film. I've got 11x14 enlargements from 35mm that are grainless until you squint and get your eye up to about 6" from the print, and only then do you begin to see faint traces of grain. I've even got some 8x10 T-Pan film in my freezer which I will use once I figure out how to process it in my Jobo CPP2 equipment. --- bigler@ens2m.fr wrote: > After browsing through the Agfa and Kodak websites I > came to the > conclusion that Kodak Technical Pan, available in > 120 rolls (ref > #6415) and yielding a wide range of contrast and max > density would be > my film of choice to experiment home-made B&W slides > made from a > negative with a 6x6 camera and a bellows. > > -- > Emmanuel BIGLER > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not > responsible for its content. This mailing list is > in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:57:20 -0400 From: "Bill Rektorik-Contractor" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Quantum vs Pocket Wizard Message-ID: I own 3 sets of the Quantum. They have been used weekly for about a year and a half and I have had no problems. I use them to fire mono lights for portraits and weddings. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:04:10 -0700 From: "Chad Smavatkul" To: Subject: Hasselblad self timer Message-ID: Hi group, I've been looking for a self timer for my Hassy 501C/M. Does anyone know who makes such an item and where can I get one? Thanks, Chad _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:13:13 -0500 From: "Michael R. Hinkle" To: "Blad List" Subject: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Message-ID: <00cc01c0433c$6fd54340$e2908f2f@us.nortel.com> Let me start by saying hello to everyone on the list, as I am new. I look forward to learning much from this group. I have been shooting 35mm seriously for 4 years and am looking to move into medium format. I have several friends that have recently moved to the Contax 645 system. They profess the virtues of the vacuum back on the camera which in theory sucks the film flat while the shutter is open. The Contax literature implies film in medium format cameras has a tendency to bow or curl thus resulting in slightly soft images when shooting with a lens wide open. Can anyone shed some light on this for me. Let me state I am not trying to incite a series of Contax flames, I am only looking to make an informed decision when I purchase a medium format system. Thanks, Michael www.mrhphoto.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:40:13 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Hasselblad self timer Message-ID: Chad, You might try Porter's Camera Store, B&H Photo, or any decent local camera = store. Both Porter's and B&H have a net presence. The external self-timer= is a standard item. Since the lens and shutter are so close in the = Hasselblad, you may find that you have to remove the timer when changing = lenses, but this is no big deal. Peter >>> kf6oyk@yahoo.com 10/26/00 06:04PM >>> Hi group, I've been looking for a self timer for my Hassy 501C/M. Does anyone know = who makes such an item and where can I get one? Thanks, Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:53:26 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Message-ID: <000e01c0434a$551ed9e0$30e4f1c3@qnu99> Michael R. Hinkle wrote: > Let me start by saying hello to everyone on the list, as I am new. I look > forward to learning much from this group. I have been shooting 35mm > seriously for 4 years and am looking to move into medium format. I have > several friends that have recently moved to the Contax 645 system. They > profess the virtues of the vacuum back on the camera which in theory sucks > the film flat while the shutter is open. The Contax literature implies film > in medium format cameras has a tendency to bow or curl thus resulting in > slightly soft images when shooting with a lens wide open. Can anyone shed > some light on this for me. Let me state I am not trying to incite a series > of Contax flames, I am only looking to make an informed decision when I > purchase a medium format system. Film-flatness is indeed an issue. No need to criticise Contax for offering a vacuum back at all. But it is an issue most of all when you want to use your, fast, lenses wide open. Stopped down, depth of focus should suffice to combat any ill effects due to uneven film positioning. Zeiss recently said that, first of all, film flatness of 220 film is better than of 120 film. Secondly, that flatness is influenced by a combination of two factors: the particular way film is threaded in a film back, and the length of time a film remains in a certain position in this back, i.e. the time interval between subsequent exposures. Their recommendations therefore are: use 220 film, and once your film is in the back, expose it as quickly as possible. Five minutes between exposures is the maximum time one should allow. Hasselblad backs, with their "double bend" system (the film is bent against its curve, doubling back over two rollers either side of the frame), and any other backs that use this system, are particularly prone to film unevenness. Cameras like the Pentax 67 use the 35 mm style straight film path, and have better evenness. However, film flatness is not that big an issue: it is perfectly feasible to get good results even without a vacuum back, and with the double bend film path. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:10:00 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: OUCH! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001031095919.00b79c40@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:51 AM 10/31/2000, you wrote: >This weekend I noticed some dirt on my Softar filter and decided I should >take the opportunity to give it a good cleaning with some lens cleaner and >tissue. BAD IDEA! I now have circular scratches all over the filter. Now >I'm afraid to ever use lens cleaning tissue on anything...particularly my >thousand dollar Zeiss lenses. The Zeiss Softar glass (whether from Hasselblad, Contax, Heliopan, or elsewhere) is NOT glass, but is made of a particularly soft plastic. It should be cleaned in the most gingerly manner possible. A blower or camel hair brush, stroked softly, is about all they can stand. This is an issue with this particular item. Your lenses should be fine, as long as you're reasonably careful. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:18:30 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: OUCH! Message-ID: <007501c0434d$d4b5c940$30e4f1c3@qnu99> Bob Miano wrote: > This weekend I noticed some dirt on my Softar filter and decided I should > take the opportunity to give it a good cleaning with some lens cleaner and > tissue. BAD IDEA! I now have circular scratches all over the filter. Now > I'm afraid to ever use lens cleaning tissue on anything...particularly my > thousand dollar Zeiss lenses. And what is the effect these circular scratches have on your image? Do they make it even softer? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:32:37 -0800 (PST) From: Roger To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: OUCH! Message-ID: <20001031153237.6654.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Somewhere on the 'net I read that you can take a UV filter and apply small drops of nail remover to create your own Zeiss-like soft focus filter. The more drops, the more softness, and you can vary the pattern so there are more drops (softness) towards the rim, leaving none or just a few in the center. --- Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > At 03:51 AM 10/31/2000, you wrote: > >This weekend I noticed some dirt on my Softar > filter and decided I should > >take the opportunity to give it a good cleaning > with some lens cleaner and > >tissue. BAD IDEA! I now have circular scratches > all over the filter. Now > >I'm afraid to ever use lens cleaning tissue on > anything...particularly my > >thousand dollar Zeiss lenses. > > The Zeiss Softar glass (whether from Hasselblad, > Contax, Heliopan, or > elsewhere) is NOT glass, but is made of a > particularly soft plastic. It > should be cleaned in the most gingerly manner > possible. A blower or camel > hair brush, stroked softly, is about all they can > stand. This is an issue > with this particular item. Your lenses should be > fine, as long as you're > reasonably careful. > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not > responsible for its content. This mailing list is > in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:36:49 -0800 (PST) From: Roger To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: OUCH! Message-ID: <20001031153649.23256.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Somewhere on the 'net I read that you can take a UV filter and apply small drops of nail remover to create your own Zeiss-like soft focus filter. The more drops, the more softness, and you can vary the pattern so there are more drops (softness) towards the rim, leaving none or just a few in the center. --- Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > At 03:51 AM 10/31/2000, you wrote: > >This weekend I noticed some dirt on my Softar > filter and decided I should > >take the opportunity to give it a good cleaning > with some lens cleaner and > >tissue. BAD IDEA! I now have circular scratches > all over the filter. Now > >I'm afraid to ever use lens cleaning tissue on > anything...particularly my > >thousand dollar Zeiss lenses. > > The Zeiss Softar glass (whether from Hasselblad, > Contax, Heliopan, or > elsewhere) is NOT glass, but is made of a > particularly soft plastic. It > should be cleaned in the most gingerly manner > possible. A blower or camel > hair brush, stroked softly, is about all they can > stand. This is an issue > with this particular item. Your lenses should be > fine, as long as you're > reasonably careful. > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not > responsible for its content. This mailing list is > in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:28:04 -0800 From: "RICH" To: Subject: B&W slides... Message-ID: <000b01c0435f$ed0ed420$4a7e273f@rjiredff> There is a slide film that I used to use when I was involved in scientific photography. VERY easy to use, VERY high resolution and easy to develop with a regular paper developer for 3.5 mins and a quick fix bath. Was on a tough Estar base. I will try and remember what the stock number was and let the list know. It may only be available in 35MM. Used to use it with a Leitz Reprovit. Great combination. Rich San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:39:51 EST From: COHIBA7@aol.com To: bigleo@worldnet.att.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net, falstaff2u@yahoo.com Subject: New Hassy Friend Needs Help! Message-ID: <9a.b949da8.27306bf7@aol.com> Hello all: I have a friend on the west coast who is attmpting to subscribe to our group. I have directed him to the relevant web site but he still has difficulties and cannot join the HUG! Would any who are familiar with the sign in process write to Jay with precise instructions at falstaff2u@yahoo.com Thanks all! Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:17:39 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: New Hassy Friend Needs Help! Message-ID: <014101c0436f$3fe866c0$84e2f1c3@qnu99> COHIBA7@aol.com wrote: to: ; ; > Hello all: > > I have a friend on the west coast who is attmpting to subscribe to our group. > I have directed him to the relevant web site but he still has difficulties > and cannot join the HUG! Would any who are familiar with the sign in process > write to Jay with precise instructions at falstaff2u@yahoo.com > > Thanks all! You want all users of these three groups contacting Jay? What? You don't like the guy? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:06:49 -0000 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Message-ID: <004101c0437e$7c5ec5e0$9f727bd5@simonhome> Michael Film flatness is indeed an issue but I am sure it will not be one that bothers the majority of Hasselblad users. Take an image with a Hasselblad and either a 120 Makro Planar or 180 CF Sonnar and I do not think any of us would complain about softness, even wide open. If you decide to go the Hasselblad route you will not be disappointed. Simon Michael R. Hinkle wrote; > Let me start by saying hello to everyone on the list, as I am new. I look > forward to learning much from this group. I have been shooting 35mm > seriously for 4 years and am looking to move into medium format. I have > several friends that have recently moved to the Contax 645 system. They > profess the virtues of the vacuum back on the camera which in theory sucks > the film flat while the shutter is open. The Contax literature implies film > in medium format cameras has a tendency to bow or curl thus resulting in > slightly soft images when shooting with a lens wide open. Can anyone shed > some light on this for me. Let me state I am not trying to incite a series > of Contax flames, I am only looking to make an informed decision when I > purchase a medium format system. > > Thanks, > Michael > www.mrhphoto.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:21:06 -0500 (EST) From: Shane W Davis To: Simon Lamb , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Message-ID: A rather desperate-sounding FAQ and response from the Contax website (sic): Q. The RTS III [35 mm SLR] touts the vacuum back. Is there really any benefit? (You realize, of course, that by making an assetion that the RTS III is capable of making sharper prictures because of the vacuum system you are saying that no other camera is capable of making photographs with the same sharpness.) A. The influence of the Real Time Vacuum (RTV) can be seen in photographic enlargements. A scientific paper was prepared by Dr. Sugaya, PhD., showing relative film flatness and its effect on sharpness. It was noted that motor drives cause more film bend than manual advance cameras and that the effect can be seen in enlargements, especailly when limited depth of field is available, such as in macro photographic applications. The influence of the Real Time Vacuum (RTV) can be seen in photographic enlargements. A scientific paper was prepared by Dr. Sugaya, PhD., showing relative film flatness and its effect on sharpness. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:35:36 -0500 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: Question about real need of a vacuum back... Message-ID: <001b01c04382$82166890$0100a8c0@paolopent> The trouble with the vacuum backs is that the vacuum sucks in a lot of photons too. I saw a Contax made neg, and the middle was almost clear. I had a friend in Arkansas who actually developed a roll made from said back, and when he put it in the enlarger, it formed what the police later called a sort of black hole. First it ate his easel, then the table, which crashed to the ground, and was sucked up too. Seeing the commotion (and instead of turning on the lights in the darkroom, which is what Contax recommends in its warnings), he approached the scene too closely and ... . Well, he has never been seen since. Just my $.02, and a word of warning). Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Shane W Davis [mailto:swdavis@umich.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 4:21 PM To: Simon Lamb; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Question about real need of a vacuum back... A rather desperate-sounding FAQ and response from the Contax website (sic): Q. The RTS III [35 mm SLR] touts the vacuum back. Is there really any benefit? (You realize, of course, that by making an assetion that the RTS III is capable of making sharper prictures because of the vacuum system you are saying that no other camera is capable of making photographs with the same sharpness.) A. The influence of the Real Time Vacuum (RTV) can be seen in photographic enlargements. A scientific paper was prepared by Dr. Sugaya, PhD., showing relative film flatness and its effect on sharpness. It was noted that motor drives cause more film bend than manual advance cameras and that the effect can be seen in enlargements, especailly when limited depth of field is available, such as in macro photographic applications. The influence of the Real Time Vacuum (RTV) can be seen in photographic enlargements. A scientific paper was prepared by Dr. Sugaya, PhD., showing relative film flatness and its effect on sharpness. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:27:29 -0500 From: "LEO WOLK" To: Subject: Re: Ordering Information on New McKeown's Guide Message-ID: <01c043b3$aa291540$5c45570c@fofyplfq> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C04389.C1530D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My apologies for not posting this information sooner. It occured to me = that some people are a little touchy about having their personal = information posted on the Web, so I wanted to check with Doug first. = Anyway, I spoke with him this afternoon, and he welcomes your business. He has the upcoming McKeown's guide available at the Pre-Publication = price of $95 for softcover, $105 for hardcover. These prices include = shipping within the US; the books will be shipped approximately Jan 1, = or whenever they're made available from the printer. This price is = available only on orders received by December 1, and prepaid by check. Contact Information: Doug Erickson 2200 West 66th St. Box 204 Richfield, MN 55423 Phone: 952-929-5245 In case the suspicious out there are wondering if this is some kind of = scam....Well, he has my check! Be sure to mention my name when ordering/calling! Best, Leo. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C04389.C1530D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My apologies for not posting this = information=20 sooner.  It occured to me that some people are a little touchy = about having=20 their personal information posted on the Web, so I wanted to check with = Doug=20 first.  Anyway, I spoke with him this afternoon, and he welcomes = your=20 business.
 
He has the upcoming McKeown's guide = available at=20 the Pre-Publication price of $95 for softcover, $105 for = hardcover.  These=20 prices include shipping within the US; the books will be shipped = approximately=20 Jan 1, or whenever they're made available from the printer.  This = price is=20 available only on orders received by December 1, and prepaid by=20 check.
 
Contact Information:
 
Doug Erickson
2200 West 66th St.
Box 204
Richfield, MN  = 55423
 
Phone:  = 952-929-5245
 
In case the suspicious out there are = wondering=20 if this is some kind of scam....Well, he has my check!
Be sure to = mention my name=20 when ordering/calling!
 
Best,         =20 Leo.
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Many thanks to those who commented on "flare" - in = particular=20 to Peter Klosky who suggested being like Ansel Adams and using a hat - = did that=20 today will see the results on Wednesday - again thank you - Hugh=20 Thompson
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