hasselblad Sun, 5 Nov 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1039 In this issue: Re: belows on 500 series Re: belows on 500 series Re: Which bellows are you using? Re: Which bellows are you using? Extension Tubes Re: Which bellows are you using? Re: Which bellows are you using? Re: Extension Tubes Re: belows on 500 series Re: belows on 500 series Re: Which bellows are you using? Re: Basic question about loading film ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:15:02 -0200 From: "Eduardo Aigner" To: Subject: Re: belows on 500 series Message-ID: <000d01c04648$1ab60520$5415b0c8@ig> I use the manual one, and I do not own the double cable release. You just need to be atempt all the time, there are lots of small details that can ruin your picture. AIGNER > Which bellows are you using? The manual or automatic? > > I'm considering buying a used bellows. There is a huge price difference > between the two. Can you get good results with the manual one? > > -Lynda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:17:34 -0200 From: "Eduardo Aigner" To: Subject: Re: belows on 500 series Message-ID: <003901c04648$74b54400$5415b0c8@ig> > What films are PXP and TXT? Kodak Plus X Pan e Tri X Pan AIGNER ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:37:00 +0100 (CET) From: bigler@ens2m.fr To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Which bellows are you using? Message-ID: <200011041037.LAA10508@belenos.ens2m.fr> >From Lynda B. : > Which bellows are you using? I'm using the non-automatic one and I'm very happy with it. I totally second all good advice already provided by other group members. Some additional info if you want to buy a used non auto bellows : Check that the double cable release is sold together with the bellows. If not, I think the double cable release still on catalog for the PC-mutar shifting device might work. Otherwise you would have to use two separate cable releases and you'll miss the "quasi-automatic" operation. Another useful item is the open-L shaped connector. I think it is still on catalog as new. Even if it is mandatory only for a 500 EL/ELM/ELX camera, I find it very useful with a 500 series camera. When I bought my bellows, the previous owner had rotated the bellows bayonet by 90 degrees to be used with a 500 EL camera. For a 500C/M I shifted it back to the standard position. Be careful then not to loose any of the 8 small screws. Incidentally when buying a used non auto bellows check that all 8 screws are actually there. A good quality screwdriver is strongly recommended to prevent damages to the heads of these screws. For this bellows there was a dedicated compendium. It was still mentioned on the Hasselblad price list of the French distributor until 1998-1999, old stock. If the second hand bellows comes with the compendium and if you intend to do 1:1 copying work, take the compendium also since beyond its regular sun-shade use this device is very useful for 1:1 repro work and very difficult to find alone. As fas as the lens is concerned, results obtained with a non-macro 80 or a 150 are very acceptable when stopped down to f/16-f/22 like in a view camera. A 150 is convenient since it will give you a more comfortable working distance to the subject. I also got a used lens mount adapter (discontinued) ref #40037 on one hand and a used 100 mm Schneider componon enlarging lens mounted on a Prontor-Press shutter on the other hand. For both items I spent about US$ 140 and in combination with the bellows this yields a good macro/repro lens at an affordable price. Of course with item #40037 you could also use shutter-less lenses but with a 500C/M you'll be limited to non-synchro, open flash (early 500C bodies had a flash sync plug) or long exposure times using the rear auxiliary shutter. -- Emmanuel BIGLER ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:13:45 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: , Subject: Re: Which bellows are you using? Message-ID: <007c01c04650$4dc8b0e0$c5eff1c3@qnu99> bigler@ens2m.fr wrote: > Another useful item is the open-L shaped connector. I think it is > still on catalog as new. Even if it is mandatory only for a 500 > EL/ELM/ELX camera, I find it very useful with a 500 series camera. You don't need it on EL(...)-type bodies at all! Only when using a 500 C(...) or 2000/200 series body the shutter release is that close to the bellows that you might want to use the L-connector (and even with these bodies you can do without). L-shaped connectors can be bought new from Hasselblad and several other manufacturers of photographic accessories. You'll need an extra adapter (46213, still listed) to use a mechanical cable release on a EL-type body. > For this bellows there was a dedicated compendium. It was still > mentioned on the Hasselblad price list of the French distributor until > 1998-1999, old stock. If the second hand bellows comes with the > compendium and if you intend to do 1:1 copying work, take the > compendium also since beyond its regular sun-shade use this device is > very useful for 1:1 repro work and very difficult to find alone. The lens shade for this bellows can only be fitted to C-lenses with the bayonet 50 mount. There are no adapters to make it fit other lenses. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:52:31 -0500 From: "Owen P. Evans" To: "Hasselblad" Subject: Extension Tubes Message-ID: <003401c0465e$191a2d70$7515d986@beckman.com> Good day to one and all, I have recently acquired the following Hasselblad extension tubes; the 8mm, 16mm, 21mm, 32mm and the 55mm tubes. I only have a 500 C/M and 80/2.8 T* Planar at this time and I am attempting to get a lot closer to my favourite subject matter, flowers. During this past summer, I used a Nikon 5T and 6T alone or stacked to magnify the image via Bay 60 to 62 mm. step ring. This worked well and I am pleased with the results but I prefer to use extensions and no filters. ( as an aside, I have been using a Nikon 200 mm. / 4 Micro Nikkor for all of my 35 mm. photography ) The deal on all of these extensions was too good to pass up so I bought them all. Could some of you pass on your experiences with any of these tubes and the 80 lens? How many can you stack and not vignette? What is practical and what is fun? Are there any rules to using the extension tubes which I should be aware of? Are there any light losses with these tubes and are there any correction factors? Thanks for all your inputs in advance! Regards, Owen P. Evans Osgoode, Ontario. Canada. (near our nation's capital; Ottawa) p.s. - please don't suggest Proxars as I have used these and they offer nothing better than the Nikon magnifiers. And yes, I am saving for a 120 / 4 Makro! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:17:15 EST From: COHIBA7@aol.com To: bigler@ens2m.fr, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Which bellows are you using? Message-ID: --part1_b7.8396230.2735665b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have recently, in a group of items, acquired the round bellows with double cable release. It did not come with instructions or the compatible lens shade. Is there any mandatory reason to use the compatible lens shade or will shades that are dedicated to specific lenses or the Proshade suffice? --part1_b7.8396230.2735665b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have recently, in a group of items, acquired the round bellows with double
cable release.  It did not come with instructions or the compatible lens
shade.  Is there any mandatory reason to use the compatible lens shade or
will shades that are dedicated to specific lenses or the Proshade suffice? --part1_b7.8396230.2735665b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:17:23 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Which bellows are you using? Message-ID: <000701c04672$5923ac20$8bd8f1c3@qnu99> COHIBA7@aol.com wrote: > I have recently, in a group of items, acquired the round bellows with double > cable release. It did not come with instructions or the compatible lens > shade. Is there any mandatory reason to use the compatible lens shade or > will shades that are dedicated to specific lenses or the Proshade suffice? Any shade will do. Just mind that when subject to lens distances decrease you won't put your shade against your subject, pushing it away. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:31:03 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Extension Tubes Message-ID: <000c01c04674$3ed6f780$8bd8f1c3@qnu99> Owen P. Evans wrote: > Good day to one and all, > I have recently acquired the following Hasselblad extension tubes; the > 8mm, 16mm, 21mm, 32mm and the 55mm tubes. > I only have a 500 C/M and 80/2.8 T* Planar at this time and I am > attempting to get a lot closer to my favourite subject matter, flowers. > During this past summer, I used a Nikon 5T and 6T alone or stacked to > magnify the image via Bay 60 to 62 mm. step ring. This worked well and I am > pleased with the results but I prefer to use extensions and no filters. ( as > an aside, I have been using a Nikon 200 mm. / 4 Micro Nikkor for all of my > 35 mm. photography ) The deal on all of these extensions was too good to > pass up so I bought them all. > Could some of you pass on your experiences with any of these tubes and the > 80 lens? How many can you stack and not vignette? What is practical and what > is fun? Are there any rules to using the extension tubes which I should be > aware of? Are there any light losses with these tubes and are there any > correction factors? You can use any, or all, of these tubes in any configuration with your 80 mm lens. Stacking tubes means adding mechanical couplings, and you might perhaps want to limit yourself to a stack size of five tubes ;-) Seriously though, adding more interfaces, each with their own play, means the chance of jamming increases. But you can easily stack 4 tubes. The standard 80 mm Planar lens is quite good enough to be used as a macro lens. Yes, there is light loss that you must compensate. You can calculate how much you need to calculate using the following formulae: Magnification = total amount of extension / focal length of lens used. Diaphragm compensation factor = 1 / (Magnification + 1) Shutterspeed compensation factor = (Magnification + 1)^2 Compensation in stops (EV) = log(Shutterspeed comp. factor) / log(2) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:35:18 EST From: Stymulus@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: belows on 500 series Message-ID: <24.caba00e.2735a2d6@aol.com> not sure what bellows I am using, it is a rental. We will assume it is the manual. What are the differences? Can you tell by looking ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:39:35 EST From: Stymulus@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: belows on 500 series Message-ID: Duh! Thanks Aigner;] Brian I read Blossfeldt used panchromatic emulsions on glass plates, so the kodak pans sound like a good place to start. In a message dated 11/4/00 2:25:43 AM, aigner.ez@terra.com.br writes: << > What films are PXP and TXT? Kodak Plus X Pan e Tri X Pan AIGNER ----- >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:34:36 EST From: COHIBA7@aol.com To: qnu@worldonline.nl, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Which bellows are you using? Message-ID: --part1_c1.8620bce.2735e8fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/00 10:17:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, qnu@worldonline.nl writes: > Any shade will do. > Just mind that when subject to lens distances decrease you won't put your > shade against your subject, pushing it away. > > > > How does one set the proshade (e.g. when using a 100 mm lens) with the bellows? Is it set for a 100mm lens or in some other configuration depending on the subject? --part1_c1.8620bce.2735e8fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/00 10:17:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
qnu@worldonline.nl writes:


Any shade will do.
Just mind that when subject to lens distances decrease you won't put your
shade against your subject, pushing it away.





How does one set the proshade (e.g. when using a 100 mm lens) with the
bellows?  Is it set for a 100mm lens or in some other configuration depending
on the subject? --part1_c1.8620bce.2735e8fc_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:03:51 EST From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Basic question about loading film Message-ID: <9d.caad433.27361a07@aol.com> Regarding the availability of on-line camera manuals: Hewlett Packard is another company that provides electronic versions of at least some of their manuals. I downloaded the Adobe Acrobat version of the manual for my HP Jornada 548 Pocket PC (small, hand-held computer), which allowed me to keep a copy of the manual at work and still have the original at home. Evidently a company can provide electronic versions of their material; if they so choose. I was very grateful to Hewlett Packard for this service to their customers; the manual for my HP Jornada is about the same size (and has about the same number of pages) as the manual for my Hasselblad 203FE. Perhaps we could pass on to Hasselblad how well this service was received when offered by other companys? -David Gerhardt ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1039 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html