hasselblad Thu, 16 Nov 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1050 In this issue: Re: Questions Re Hasselblad Moon Photos 120 or 150MM...? Re: New Digital Hasselblad Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Hasselblad Macro work Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Re: Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Re: digital option Re: New Digital Hasselblad Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Re: Hasselblad Macro work Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Re: Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Re: New Digital Hasselblad Re: Winder grip for 500C Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Re: Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Re: New Digital Hasselblad Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:24:38 +0100 From: "Dr. Ulrik Neupert" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Questions Re Hasselblad Moon Photos Message-ID: <3A125656.AB28BECE@int.fhg.de> Forget the thought of the moon landings beeing a hoax. The mineral composition of the moon rocks and drill cores and the abundance of isotopes therein resulting from irradiation with cosmic rays is nothing that can be seen or made on earth or found in meteorites. Id did 5 years of research in this field. Ulrik Joel Rosenau schrieb: > > > My mind is boggled by, but entertaining the possibility that the Moon > Landing of Apollo 11 was a hoax! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:41:22 -0800 From: "RICH" To: Subject: 120 or 150MM...? Message-ID: <000701c04ee8$36c17080$2a7e273f@rjiredff> While there is no doubt that the 120mm Makro is a superb lens it's best at close range. At anywhere near infinity the 120MM is not as good as the 150MM. If one's work is mostly in the close range the 120MM is a great choice but for versatility the 150MM is a better choice. As far as the Moon photo's being a hoax... PLEASE! I used to work in the field of astronomy and have actually worked with materials brought back from the moon as well as photographic materials from these landings. The landings were real. Rich San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:23:49 -0600 From: Robert Welch To: Subject: Re: New Digital Hasselblad Message-ID: As a photographer who has invested significant amounts of my camera $ in Hasselblad (and who among us hasn't) I think this move by the company is very short sighted. One of the keys to their past success was the way they have kept the value of even the oldest equipment (at least since the 500 series began) by keeping some form of compatibility. This has given me comfort in making this investment with the knowledge that I shouldn't have to start over when a new technology is introduced (I.e. Canon's FD>EOS conversion). History has shown that Nikon's tansition to autofocus was successful in keeping their name premier in the 35mm relm because they were able to satisfy their users with ongoing compatibility, even though their initial autofocus cameras were somewhat inferior to Canon's first models. It worked for Canon to re-invent their camera, remember that the majority of professionals used Nikon over Canon at the time, and by redesigning their cameras Canon was able to make some converts. However, over the last 10-15 years I feel Nikon has made up it's ground and kept it's position solid as the majority provider of professional 35mm equipment, when in fact it could easily have slipped to a distant 2nd with a misstep like not keeping it's compatibilty with older lenses. This is not a Nikon vs. Canon discussion, it's a history lesson. Hasselblad is the premier medium format manufacturer, and their commitment to their current users to date, while still introducing innovations, has been a large part of that. Digital is the obvious next technology that all camera makers have to deal with, and that any far sighted photographer is interested in. Currently there are several digital options available that retain compatibility with current Hasselblad equipment. The fact that the company is not involved with providing any of these is somewhat concerning. It appears that they are ready to move in a totally different direction, and in this they could easily miss the boat, leaving all of it's current customers stranded, so to speak. I'm sure this new product is excellent, and if Bronica were to have introduced it I would applaud it as an excellent move toward providing an innovative product which will keep them viable as a manufacturer. For Hasselblad I think it could be a drastic venture which will leave many current customers doubting the long term value of their investment, thus losing them one of the biggest advantages they currently enjoy in the industry. My 2 cents, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:46:25 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: <4.1.20001115074138.044965e0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 05:33 PM 11/14/00 -0500, Texford1@aol.com wrote: >I have the Hasselblad proshade 6093T and I am looking for a drop in neutral >density graduated filter (0 -2 ) to work with it, I believe the size is 4 x 4 >any ideas or recommendations. >Thanks > >Mike All of the graduated filters that I know of are not square. This is so that the line between clear and ND (or color) can be adjusted to match the horizon (or other line in your photograph.) You cannot move the filter in a 6093T. It holds 4x4 square filters with no movement capability. You'll need a HiTech or Lee filter holder to effectively use a split filter. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:51:26 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: I thought the Cokin filters, the larger ones in the "P" mount, were = designed to fit the Hasselblad lenses and included grad filters, both = neutral and tinted. Might not fit every hood out there or be of the = highest optical quality, but the product is out there. >>> jim_brick@agilent.com 11/15/00 10:46AM >>> At 05:33 PM 11/14/00 -0500, Texford1@aol.com wrote: >I have the Hasselblad proshade 6093T and I am looking for a drop in = neutral=20 >density graduated filter (0 -2 ) to work with it, I believe the size is 4 = x 4=20 >any ideas or recommendations. >Thanks > >Mike All of the graduated filters that I know of are not square. This is so = that the line between clear and ND (or color) can be adjusted to match the horizon (or other line in your photograph.) You cannot move the filter in = a 6093T. It holds 4x4 square filters with no movement capability. You'll need a HiTech or Lee filter holder to effectively use a split filter. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, = or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/Rem= oteListSummary/Hasselblad=20 Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm=20= Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.htm= l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:06:53 -0800 (PST) From: _emaq_ To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Hasselblad Macro work Message-ID: Hi, I dont' want to go out and spend $$ on a Hassy Macro book. Does anyone know any web sites with macro work done with Hasselblad? I'm not considering macro work on medium format right now (have a 55micro Nikon), but would love to see some on the web. TIA! -- _emaq_ No electrons were hurt in the making of this email. DSS/DH Public Key 0x9399D2E4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:20:02 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: "Peter Klosky" , Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: <4.1.20001115081237.04492990@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> Filters cannot be moved in a 6093T proshade filter holder. Which pretty much makes 4x4 graduated filters useless because it is rare that you want the grad line to be dead center. This is why good grad filters are either 4x5 or 4x6. So you can move them and place the "grad line" where you want it. I use a HiTech holder and HiTech resin grads and Tiffen glass grads. I use non grad squares in either my 6093T holder/shade or my HiTech holder. Jim At 07:51 AM 11/15/00 -0800, Peter Klosky wrote: >I thought the Cokin filters, the larger ones in the "P" mount, were designed >to fit the Hasselblad lenses and included grad filters, both neutral and >tinted. Might not fit every hood out there or be of the highest optical >quality, but the product is out there. > >>>> jim_brick@agilent.com 11/15/00 10:46AM >>> >At 05:33 PM 11/14/00 -0500, Texford1@aol.com wrote: >>I have the Hasselblad proshade 6093T and I am looking for a drop in neutral >>density graduated filter (0 -2 ) to work with it, I believe the size is 4 x 4 >>any ideas or recommendations. >>Thanks >> >>Mike > >All of the graduated filters that I know of are not square. This is so that >the line between clear and ND (or color) can be adjusted to match the >horizon (or other line in your photograph.) You cannot move the filter in a > 6093T. It holds 4x4 square filters with no movement capability. You'll >need a HiTech or Lee filter holder to effectively use a split filter. > >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:23:06 EST From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Message-ID: <81.2e8251a.2744126a@aol.com> Obtained these maximum requirements courtesy of Porter's Camera. Bob R. AIRLINE CARRY-ON BAG SIZE LIMITS---Not sure if you can carry on your camera bag or case? You're not alone, since the size limit varies from one airline to another. This list from Pelican, the manufacturer of waterproof camera cases, and other sources will help travelers prepare for flight check-ins. American Airlines---45" total of length + girth max., 2 bags, no weight restriction America West---23x13x9" or 21x16x8" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction Continental---45" total of length + girth max., 1 bag, 40 lbs. max. Delta---22x14x9" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. Northwest---22x14x9" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. Southwest---24x16x10" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction TWA---24x16x10" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction United---45" total of length + girth max., 2 bags, 50 lbs. max. US Air---24x16x10" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:07:45 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Message-ID: Sounds like a nice list of specs for domestic travel, but I doubt it takes = the more universal international weight limits into account. My understand= ing is that the international flights have to conform to international = rules. These rules do not apply to domestic flights, so the airlines can = make their own rules in those cases. >>> BobR38@aol.com 11/15/00 11:23AM >>> Obtained these maximum requirements courtesy of Porter's Camera. Bob R. AIRLINE CARRY-ON BAG SIZE LIMITS---Not sure if you can carry on your camera bag or case? You're not alone, since the size limit varies from one airline to another. This list from Pelican, the manufacturer of waterproof camera cases, and other sources will help travelers prepare for flight check-ins.=20 American Airlines---45" total of length + girth max., 2 bags, no weight restriction America West---23x13x9" or 21x16x8" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction Continental---45" total of length + girth max., 1 bag, 40 lbs. max. Delta---22x14x9" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. Northwest---22x14x9" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. Southwest---24x16x10" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction TWA---24x16x10" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction United---45" total of length + girth max., 2 bags, 50 lbs. max. US Air---24x16x10" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:16:59 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: digital option Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001115121637.00c19b70@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:17 AM 11/15/2000, you wrote: >I spoke with a Hasselblad sales rep at the photo expo in NY regarding >the release of the new digital camera they are coming out with in >partnership with Foveon and he was clueless on it. > >Has anyone talked with Hasselblad regarding this? Anything to report"? They ALL know about it, as do the Foveon people, who are online at http://www.foveon.net/ -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:20:28 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: New Digital Hasselblad Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001115121805.00c64b00@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:17 AM 11/15/2000, you wrote: >My point is that this is another ill-concieved attempt (ala: Xpan) on >Hassleblad's part to capitalize on their "Good Name". This MAY WELL BE the >finest digital camera produced (to date), but it is in NO WAY, SHAPE, or >FORM a Hasselblad. WHY is it not a Hasselblad? Because you say so? Because it doesn't accept 120 film? Because it's the wrong shape? Think outside the box for a change -- they apparently did.-) -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:13:37 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: <3A12D251.FC7E5C71@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Peter Klosky wrote: > > I thought the Cokin filters, > I love Resin! Got a whole kit of all kinds of resin additives, fiberglass you name it. Marine somthing. Slow dry and fast dry hardener. Wooden boat building books. My darkroom sink had not leaks before it's time and it's been 10 years. In front of my Zeiss T* glass? not a chance in hell!! mark rabiner :) http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:23:16 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad Macro work Message-ID: <3A12D495.987382C8@rabiner.cncoffice.com> _emaq_ wrote: > > Hi, > > I dont' want to go out and spend $$ on a Hassy Macro book. Does anyone > know any web sites with macro work done with Hasselblad? > > I'm not considering macro work on medium format right now (have a 55micro > Nikon), but would love to see some on the web. > > TIA! > I talked to the rep. and e mailed them and they sent me all kinds of macro stuff a few months back. A plastic slider computer thing which I love!!! The Vario no longer made tube was a crucial part of obtaining lots of those magnifications. Amazing you have to get those used! mark rabiner :) http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:26:31 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: <3A12D558.C27B6B4A@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Graduate to square glass filters! mark rabiner :) http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ "Elgar?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:46:14 EST From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Message-ID: <55.d5187b3.274433f6@aol.com> For those interested, Called a few airlines to verify and these figures are correct. Also, weight given is for accumulated total for all allowed bags. Bob R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:59:31 -0500 From: "LEO WOLK" To: Subject: Re: New Digital Hasselblad Message-ID: <01c04f36$3016c200$2e3d570c@fofyplfq> YES, because of ALL of those reasons and more. 1) "Hasselblad will develop lenses specially optimized for the prism-imaging engine" Last time I checked, Hasselblad was a camera manufacturer that contracted to have lenses produced by other companies (Zeiss & Schneider), and "assembled" some Japanese made optics into their own barrels. With the sole exception of the Xpan lenses which are Hasselblad "branded" by Fuji. 2) "In the creation of this innovative digital camera, the two companies concentrate on their core competencies..." Maybe I'm missing something here, but my perception of Hasselblad's "core competancy" is in the production of Professional Quality Medium Format Cameras. 3) As I've said, I'm a traditionalist. I was taught that the LENS takes the picture, the "camera" is merely a light tight box with a film transport. Victor Hasselblad, and his company have (up untill recently) soley relied on the BEST quality optics available to them, regardless of price. Even on this list, alot of the discussion centers on what optic is the "sharpest". Perhaps I'm reading something into this venture that doesn't exist, but I'm assuming that Hasselblad, to keep costs down on it's end, will contract with some Japanese aftermarket lens manufacturer to produce lenses with it's name on them, for use with this camera. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the optics will be FINE, as are the lenses for the Xpan...Just not EXCEPTIONAL, what we've come to expect from the Hasselblad Brand. 4) The SINGLE thing that has kept the company going ALL THESE YEARS, is the inherent "soundness of design" in Victor Hasselblad's original concept. A medium format camera, manufactured to impeccable quality standards, with interchangable film magazines, lenses, and finders, that let the user "customize" the system to their individual needs. I guess I just don't see where this camera fits into that profile. At least from the press releases, the Foveon/Hasselblad looks like a fine camera. It will, perhaps, be THE BEST digital camera on the market (at least for a couple of weeks untill somebody comes out with something better). My only problem with it is, that in my opinion, it's NOT a HASSELBLAD!! I would have hoped for something from the company that better integrated it's current generation of cameras and optics, ala Sinar. That being said, I've got to admit that I'm not the targeted consumer for this product. I have NO INTENTION of purchasing a $50,000 digital camera (or a $12,000, or even a $5,000 camera), so I guess it will be up to the "market" to determine it's usefullness and value. If the sales of the Xpan are any indication, they're in for a "rocky road". Just my $.02, Leo. -----Original Message----- From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:24 PM Subject: Re: New Digital Hasselblad > >WHY is it not a Hasselblad? Because you say so? Because it doesn't accept >120 film? Because it's the wrong shape? Think outside the box for a change >-- they apparently did.-) > >-- >regards, >Henry Posner >Director of Sales and Training >B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. >http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:05:42 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Winder grip for 500C Message-ID: <3A12DE87.392B0913@rabiner.cncoffice.com> WHAT'S THE URL KENNETH? mark rabiner :) http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:19:55 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: <000001c04f38$9ebca560$58dbf1c3@qnu99> Peter Klosky wrote: > I thought the Cokin filters, the larger ones in the "P" mount, were designed to fit the Hasselblad lenses and included grad filters, both neutral and tinted. Might not fit every hood out there or be of the highest optical quality, but the product is out there. All series Cokin filters are the wrong size to fit the ProShade. But i don't believe any graduated filter available will. You will need a Cokin holder to make Cokin filters fit Hasselblad lenses. And if you are going for an extra holder, you might want to choose a better brand filters as well. Lee, Cromatek or Sinar too have all kinds of filters you might want, and are of the highest optical quality. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:19:14 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: Subject: Re: Airline CARRY-ON Specs List Message-ID: Bob, Here's the TWA URL: http://www2.twa.com/customer_info/passenger_services/baggage.html=20 The specific quote from the TWA site which disagrees with the Porter's = data presented earlier: Carry-on baggage may not exceed 40 pounds.=20 =AF------------------------------ To be a little clearer, what Porter's has said is not correct, but the TWA = site is good. The specific concern I had when I saw the Porter's list was = that it did not reflect the international weight limits. A person is = simply not allowed to take an item of unlimited weight aboard an internatio= nal flight. What I've seen happen numerous times is folks showing up on = International flights with bags over 70lbs. They simply can not be = accepted. The folks are allowed to repack them in boxes the airlines = provide to get their weight down, or they can present them as air freight = and then they can be perhaps 100lbs. I realize that you were discussing = carry-on primarily, but I wanted it to be quite clear that Porter's idea = that TWA allows bags of unlimited weight is odd, and does not conform to = the observations I've made of this situation, including TWA's web data. Peter =AF------------------- AIRLINE CARRY-ON BAG SIZE LIMITS---Not sure if you can carry on your camera bag or case? You're not alone, since the size limit varies from one airline to another. This list from Pelican, the manufacturer of waterproof camera cases, and other sources will help travelers prepare for flight check-ins.=20 American Airlines---45" total of length + girth max., 2 bags, no weight restriction America West---23x13x9" or 21x16x8" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction Continental---45" total of length + girth max., 1 bag, 40 lbs. max. Delta---22x14x9" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. Northwest---22x14x9" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. Southwest---24x16x10" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction TWA---24x16x10" max., 2 bags, no weight restriction United---45" total of length + girth max., 2 bags, 50 lbs. max. US Air---24x16x10" max., 3 bags, 40 lbs. max. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> BobR38@aol.com 11/15/00 01:46PM >>> For those interested, Called a few airlines to verify and these figures are correct. Also, = weight=20 given is for accumulated total for all allowed bags. Bob R. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, = or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/Rem= oteListSummary/Hasselblad=20 Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm=20= Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.htm= l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:01:44 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: "LEO WOLK" , Subject: Re: New Digital Hasselblad Message-ID: <001b01c04f3e$e508cde0$58dbf1c3@qnu99> LEO WOLK wrote: > YES, because of ALL of those reasons and more. > > 1) "Hasselblad will develop lenses specially optimized for the > prism-imaging engine" Last time I checked, Hasselblad was a camera > manufacturer that contracted to have lenses produced by other companies > (Zeiss & Schneider), and "assembled" some Japanese made optics into their > own barrels. With the sole exception of the Xpan lenses which are > Hasselblad "branded" by Fuji. Yes, the lens thing still is something of a mystery. Is all this talk about Hasselblad lenses part of a plan to get rid of Zeiss alltogether? That would be silly. But if the DFinity with "Hasselblad" lenses would be capable of being the best digital product available at the moment, what's wrong in that? > 2) "In the creation of this innovative digital camera, the two companies > concentrate on their core competencies..." Maybe I'm missing something > here, but my perception of Hasselblad's "core competancy" is in the > production of Professional Quality Medium Format Cameras. Or is it supplying professional photographers with the best image recording equipment they (Hasselblad) can offer? They have limited themselves to medium format, yet i would not object to Hasselblad introducing a 35 mm or large format camera systems as well. If they are as great in their respective fields as the medium format stuff is, why ever not? So why not expand into digital, if that is what photographers want and need? > 3) As I've said, I'm a traditionalist. I was taught that the LENS takes > the picture, the "camera" is merely a light tight box with a film transport. > Victor Hasselblad, and his company have (up untill recently) soley relied on > the BEST quality optics available to them, regardless of price. Even on > this list, alot of the discussion centers on what optic is the "sharpest". > Perhaps I'm reading something into this venture that doesn't exist, but I'm > assuming that Hasselblad, to keep costs down on it's end, will contract with > some Japanese aftermarket lens manufacturer to produce lenses with it's name > on them, for use with this camera. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the optics > will be FINE, as are the lenses for the Xpan...Just not EXCEPTIONAL, what > we've come to expect from the Hasselblad Brand. That must be it: traditionalism! ;-) As long as branching out in the, not so new anymore, field of digital photography does not affect the current range of excellent film based cameras, what's wrong in building a digital product as well? And, as mentioned before, don't compare digital to film. It never was said that it could stand up to the comparison. So "exceptional" will mean something else when applied to lenses made for digital photography. > 4) The SINGLE thing that has kept the company going ALL THESE YEARS, is the > inherent "soundness of design" in Victor Hasselblad's original concept. A > medium format camera, manufactured to impeccable quality standards, with > interchangable film magazines, lenses, and finders, that let the user > "customize" the system to their individual needs. I guess I just don't see > where this camera fits into that profile. Just as the F-lenses don't fit in with the 500 series? As long as the DFinity is an addition to the range, not a replacement, there is no reason to fear that the integrity of the Hasselblad system is somehow compromized. > At least from the press releases, the Foveon/Hasselblad looks like a fine > camera. It will, perhaps, be THE BEST digital camera on the market (at > least for a couple of weeks untill somebody comes out with something > better). My only problem with it is, that in my opinion, it's NOT a > HASSELBLAD!! I would have hoped for something from the company that better > integrated it's current generation of cameras and optics, ala Sinar. Have you seen the "portable" digital solution Sinar offers? I'd rather not, thank you. But that's another topic. Integration into the Hasselblad system would mean building a digital back for the EL-series. Yes, i would be comfortable with that, but only truely if they can build a one-shot system of the highest possible quality, and with the same size chip as the current frame, so i wouldn't be suddenly deprived from using wide angle lenses. In the mean time, i would be happy to use a product like the Foveon DFinity. I even wonder if we need all the regular Hasselblad system has to offer in digital photography; perhaps a new, dedicated product would be a better platform to take full advantage of the possibilities of digital imaging. I love Sinar: great cameras, great system. Sinar has managed the integration of digital into their product range "very well" indeed (well...). They build the SinarCam: a totally new (i.e. no item from the Sinar program can be used with it) product, using Olympus 35 mm lenses. Great integration! Much like the DFinity. And they have a series of digital backs, primarily meant to be used on medium format cameras (i did not know Sinar made medium format cameras...). Far too small to make sense on a large format camera. And they offer a series of short focal length "digital lenses" necessary because Sinar users all have large format (= long focal length) lenses. These lenses, in their turn, are no good at all on Sinar large format cameras. Integration? At the moment, digital recording devices (be it CCD or CMOS) are still far too small to be used sensibly with large format cameras. > That being said, I've got to admit that I'm not the targeted consumer for > this product. I have NO INTENTION of purchasing a $50,000 digital camera > (or a $12,000, or even a $5,000 camera), so I guess it will be up to the > "market" to determine it's usefullness and value. If the sales of the Xpan > are any indication, they're in for a "rocky road". As long as they still keep pleasing the traditional Hasselblad users the way we know them to, and at the same time win new DFinity users, there would be no problem. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:50:56 EST From: Texford1@aol.com To: qnu@worldonline.nl, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: <72.4ea21bd.27448970@aol.com> I have a sinar 4 x 6 ND graduated filter which I use with my F1 view camera, I suppose I can buy filter holder for my 80mm lens, what brand would you recommend Thanks Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:59:15 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, qnu@worldonline.nl Subject: Re: ND Graduated Resin Filters Message-ID: <4.1.20001115165811.044b3890@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 07:50 PM 11/15/00 -0500, Texford1@aol.com wrote: >I have a sinar 4 x 6 ND graduated filter which I use with my F1 view camera, >I suppose I can buy filter holder for my 80mm lens, what brand would you >recommend >Thanks >Mike HiTech, Calumet, Lee... I use the HiTech and it is great. Jim ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1050 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html