hasselblad Thu, 23 Nov 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1057 In this issue: Re: hasselblad V1 #1056 Re: Acute-Matte D Re: meter prism Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: meter prism battery solution Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: meter prism Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Acute-Matte D RE: meter and 903SWC Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. RE: meter and 903SWC SV: meter and 903SWC Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Acute-Matte D Re: meter and 903SWC Re: Acute-Matte D Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Results of Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Results of Hasselblad and film saves the day. Nikon list address Re: Acute-Matte D Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Re: Hasselblad vs Contax Unsubscribe Function Not Working Re: Acute-Matte D X-Pan = boutique item Re: X-Pan = boutique item Re: RE: B&H Re: B&H ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:05:13 -0800 From: Nitzan Tagansky To: Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1056 Message-ID: Dear Henry, Thank you for your reply to my comments. I appreciate your high tech state of the art store. It is unbdoubtly amazing. I appreciate the efficiency of all you systems. I can appreciate you having to abide by all the bank regulations. Now if you can only get the people there to smile once in a while - The world might be a perfect place. Nitzan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:35:48 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Acute-Matte D Message-ID: Jim, The Acute-Matte D is a little brighter and is also the current offering. = One of my favorite aspects of the Acute Matte D is the two identification = notches in the frame. Screen identification is otherwise difficult, = unless one has several known screens for comparison and/or training in = this area. Peter >>> Digiratidoc@aol.com 11/21/00 10:36PM >>> I'm sure this has all been covered before on the list but I couldn't get = the=20 archives to work. What is the difference between the Acute-Matte and = the=20 Acute-Matte D screen? Are they more-or-less interchangeable or not? Thanks = in=20 advance for any information. Jim Laird ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:52:15 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: meter prism Message-ID: <001c01c0549c$8fc297e0$9bc3f1c3@qnu99> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C054A4.9273B480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RMG wrote: I have an old hasselblad meter prism that needs a battery. Does anyone = know what type it takes? Is it the old mercury type? The prism is from = the late sixties or early seventies I have a picture of it at = http://www.dreamscape.com/rmgwhs/Hasselblad/meterprism.jpg=20 Your prism is the first type CdS metered prism, introduced in 1971. It = takes a mercury PX 625 cell. I guess you've got a problem here... ? ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C054A4.9273B480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

RMG=20 wrote:

I have an old hasselblad meter prism that needs a battery. Does = anyone=20 know what type it takes? Is it the old mercury type? The prism = is from=20 the late sixties or early seventies I have a picture of it at http:= //www.dreamscape.com/rmgwhs/Hasselblad/meterprism.jpg =

Your prism is the first type CdS metered prism, = introduced in=20 1971. It takes a mercury PX 625 cell.
I guess you've got a problem here... = ?

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C054A4.9273B480-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:23:14 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: HUG Subject: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <4.1.20001122074221.01739c70@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> Last week I was asked to shoot a small jazz band for an album cover. I said OK. Then they said that they wanted it shot with a digital camera so they could import the image into Photoshop for the layout. I said that I don't have a digital camera and they replied that they had a Nikon 990 that I could use. I asked if you could put the 990 in manual and use external studio strobes. They said yes. So Monday evening I put my Dynalite strobe outfit in the car. I also put my Hasselblad backpack and a pro-pack of 220 Portra NC 160 in the car. I got there, set up the lights, took a meter reading (Gossen Lunastar F) and got a reading of f/8.5 for ISO 160. I picked up the 990 and asked if someone knew how to both put the camera in manual and select external flash. Everyone fiddled with the camera, went through countless menus, then after ten minutes said "no." I wasn't serious about using the 990 anyway but I started out that way to appease them. I said "that's OK, I have a real camera in my backpack so we can take real photographs." So I pulled my 203FE out of the backpack, mounted a 40mmCFE, a motor, 45 deg prism, loaded 220 NC160, put the camera in "C", connected the strobe to the lens, set the f/stop to f/8, shutter to 1/60th to keep ambient light from doing anything, and started shooting. 48 shots later, I packed everything and went home. I'll process the film this weekend but I don't expect any surprises. I'll deliver contact sheets on Monday. When they pick the shots they want (Album cover, back, and photo on the CD itself) I'll have them scanned (Pro Repro Scan) and put on a CD. Hasselblad and film wins again. The 6x6 pro scans will blow the JPEGs that a 990 can produce out of the water and into orbit. The band was dressed all in black. CCD's do not do well with the toe end of the gamma curve. I gave the Portra NC a half stop boost to make sure I get black detail. you cannot do this with a CCD as it will blow out the highlights. This will not happen on the film. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:30:30 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: meter prism battery solution Message-ID: <4.1.20001122082917.0172f100@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> --=====================_4845056==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You can solve the battery problem easily by going here: http://www.criscam.com/ Jim At 04:52 PM 11/22/00 +0100, Q.G. de Bakker wrote: > > >> >> RMG wrote: >> >> I have an old hasselblad meter prism that needs a battery. Does anyone know >> what type it takes? Is it the old mercury type? The prism is from the late >> sixties or early seventies I have a picture of it at >> >> http://www.dr >> eamscape.com/rmgwhs/Hasselblad/meterprism.jpg >> >> Your prism is the first type CdS metered prism, introduced in 1971. It takes >> a mercury PX 625 cell. >> >> I guess you've got a problem here... ? >> >> > > --=====================_4845056==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" You can solve the battery problem easily by going here:

http://www.criscam.com/

Jim

At 04:52 PM 11/22/00 +0100, Q.G. de Bakker wrote:

RMG wrote:

I have an old hasselblad meter prism that needs a battery. Does anyone know what type it takes? Is it the old mercury type? The prism is from the late sixties or early seventies I have a picture of it at http://www.dreamscape.com/rmgwhs/Hasselblad/meterprism.jpg

Your prism is the first type CdS metered prism, introduced in 1971. It takes a mercury PX 625 cell.

I guess you've got a problem here... ?

--=====================_4845056==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Roger To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <20001122170827.24672.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> I love it! Phase One has a back for 'Blad that produces even more megabyte/picture than the Nikon. Check this out: Executive Summary: A Phase One back produces a 16meg picture, x 3 (red, green, blue) giving a 48meg picture. The format size of the digital back is nearly 6x7. And, it only costs a mere pittance of $15,000 to be the first on the block to create digital pictures that may still have digital artifacts. The story.... I happened to visit Helix Camera in Chicago last Saturday and saw some Phase One digital prints on large (approximately 30x40) laminated stock. Each individual picture (1, 2, 3 for example) was less than 8x10" -------------------------------| | |------| |-------| |------| | | | | | | | | | | | 1 | | 2 | | 3 | | | | | | | | | | | |------| |-------| |------| | | | | --------------------------| | | | | | | | | | | | 123 stithed together| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------------------| | | | | |------| |-------| |------| | | | | | | | | | | | 4 | | 5 | | 6 | | | | | | | | | | | |------| |-------| |------| | | | | --------------------------| | | | | | | | | | | | 456 stithed together | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------------------| | |------------------------------| Each composite photo was composed of 3 seperate Phase One digital photo's stitched together sort of panoramic style. Most of the sample shots were of a model in a kitchen and one full page shot of a wine glass with water spilling out of it. Shots were taken with a Hasselblad w 40mm lens, Linhof 6x9 with 28mm Schneider Digital lens, and the rest I don't remember. Impressive when you held them at arm's length, I thought, but then my eye looked at something funny in the models hair...Ah hah! Digital aritifacts! Keep in mind that each picture was less than 8x10". The digital artifacts, to be fair, were only visible in a high contrast area by the models hair. The rep ignored these when I pointed them out to him. With that kind of denial, he could get a job in politics, but we won't even go there.... The rep went on to tell me that they lease the $15,000 back for about $1,000/month, and from that you can calculate how much film/processing you'd have to be doing to reach a break even point. The advantage, he stated, was 'instant gratification', the carrot on the stick (hopeful promise) was that you'd get more business with their equipment, although he did acknowledge that there were shots that were best taken with film cameras. (Yah, no kidding!) I agree with the instant gratification. Of course, he didn't mention Polaroid which also gives instant gratification (at a price). He didn't mention that I could take a take a picture, scan it and email it to a client, maybe not as fast as with the Phase One, but usually quick enough for a client anyway. He didn't mention how you'd suddenly get more client's if you owned a Phase One either. Nor did he brag about dragging around a personal computer to capture the downloaded picture. Most marketing hype I've heard so far just points out the disadvantages of what it is trying to replace, in this case, film. They don't talk about the disadvantages of digital, as that would hurt sales. They also avoid elaborating on subjects and situations where film trumps digital. --- Jim Brick wrote: > Last week I was asked to shoot a small jazz band for > an album cover. I said > OK. Then they said that they wanted it shot with a > digital camera so they > could import the image into Photoshop for the > layout. I said that I don't > have a digital camera and they replied that they had > a Nikon 990 that I > could use. I asked if you could put the 990 in > manual and use external > studio strobes. They said yes. > > So Monday evening I put my Dynalite strobe outfit in > the car. I also put my > Hasselblad backpack and a pro-pack of 220 Portra NC > 160 in the car. > > I got there, set up the lights, took a meter reading > (Gossen Lunastar F) > and got a reading of f/8.5 for ISO 160. I picked up > the 990 and asked if > someone knew how to both put the camera in manual > and select external > flash. Everyone fiddled with the camera, went > through countless menus, then > after ten minutes said "no." > > I wasn't serious about using the 990 anyway but I > started out that way to > appease them. > > I said "that's OK, I have a real camera in my > backpack so we can take real > photographs." > > So I pulled my 203FE out of the backpack, mounted a > 40mmCFE, a motor, 45 > deg prism, loaded 220 NC160, put the camera in "C", > connected the strobe to > the lens, set the f/stop to f/8, shutter to 1/60th > to keep ambient light > from doing anything, and started shooting. 48 shots > later, I packed > everything and went home. I'll process the film this > weekend but I don't > expect any surprises. I'll deliver contact sheets on > Monday. When they pick > the shots they want (Album cover, back, and photo > on the CD itself) I'll > have them scanned (Pro Repro Scan) and put on a CD. > > Hasselblad and film wins again. > > The 6x6 pro scans will blow the JPEGs that a 990 can > produce out of the > water and into orbit. The band was dressed all in > black. CCD's do not do > well with the toe end of the gamma curve. I gave the > Portra NC a half stop > boost to make sure I get black detail. you cannot do > this with a CCD as it > will blow out the highlights. This will not happen > on the film. > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public > service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not > responsible for its content. This mailing list is > in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:04:46 EST From: BobR38@aol.com To: qnu@worldonline.nl, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: meter prism Message-ID: <3f.cdfe5f4.274d56ae@aol.com> << Your prism is the first type CdS metered prism, introduced in 1971. It takes a mercury PX 625 cell. >> Since the Mercury Batteries are no longer made, Porter's Camera does sell a Wein-Cell Mercury Replacement Battery. Their toll-free number is 1-800-553-2001. Bob R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:17:24 -0800 From: Jim Stewart To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <3A1BFFA4.1A28F38A@jkmicro.com> You did the right thing. Jim Brick wrote: > > Last week I was asked to shoot a small jazz band for an album cover. I said > OK. Then they said that they wanted it shot with a digital camera so they > could import the image into Photoshop for the layout. I said that I don't > have a digital camera and they replied that they had a Nikon 990 that I > could use. I asked if you could put the 990 in manual and use external > studio strobes. They said yes. > > So Monday evening I put my Dynalite strobe outfit in the car. I also put my > Hasselblad backpack and a pro-pack of 220 Portra NC 160 in the car. > > I got there, set up the lights, took a meter reading (Gossen Lunastar F) > and got a reading of f/8.5 for ISO 160. I picked up the 990 and asked if > someone knew how to both put the camera in manual and select external > flash. Everyone fiddled with the camera, went through countless menus, then > after ten minutes said "no." > > I wasn't serious about using the 990 anyway but I started out that way to > appease them. > > I said "that's OK, I have a real camera in my backpack so we can take real > photographs." > > So I pulled my 203FE out of the backpack, mounted a 40mmCFE, a motor, 45 > deg prism, loaded 220 NC160, put the camera in "C", connected the strobe to > the lens, set the f/stop to f/8, shutter to 1/60th to keep ambient light > from doing anything, and started shooting. 48 shots later, I packed > everything and went home. I'll process the film this weekend but I don't > expect any surprises. I'll deliver contact sheets on Monday. When they pick > the shots they want (Album cover, back, and photo on the CD itself) I'll > have them scanned (Pro Repro Scan) and put on a CD. > > Hasselblad and film wins again. > > The 6x6 pro scans will blow the JPEGs that a 990 can produce out of the > water and into orbit. The band was dressed all in black. CCD's do not do > well with the toe end of the gamma curve. I gave the Portra NC a half stop > boost to make sure I get black detail. you cannot do this with a CCD as it > will blow out the highlights. This will not happen on the film. > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:18:07 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Acute-Matte D Message-ID: <3A1BFFD0.F4C5229@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Peter Klosky wrote: > > Jim, > > The Acute-Matte D is a little brighter and is also the current offering. One of my favorite aspects of the Acute Matte D is the two identification notches in the frame. Screen identification is otherwise difficult, unless one has several known screens for comparison and/or training in this area. > > Peter if it's brighter wouldn't they have to reset the meter prisms? mark rabiner :) http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:46:38 -0800 From: "Williams, Bill" To: 'Nitzan Tagansky' , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: meter and 903SWC Message-ID: <372CE1E089C8D21184F500902716D25C02037795@Mail2.city.surrey.bc.ca> Nitzan, I am adding this question to the user group, as someone else might have some additional advice for you. You cannot have the image right side up using a prism finder on a 903SWC. Any prism finder (45 or 90 degree) is constructed for the top of the camera over the mirror box, viewing through the fresnel viewing screen. The view from the fresnel screen on a 500 series camera with the collapsible hood is reversed but right side up. The prism finder re-orients the view back to what you view outside of the viewfinder (unreversed). The 903SWC has no mirror, no fresnel viewing screen, and therefore, no viewing from a collapsible hood, and no place for a prism finder. Hasselblad makes a viewfinder that fits on the back of the camera (in place of the film magazine) that re-orients the view. This viewfinder does not have any type of meter, but the view is correct. You cannot take any photographs though, as the viewfinder would have to be removed and the film magazine re-attached for the exposure. You could attach a prism finder to the back of the 903SWC using the ground glass adaptor. However, the meter in the metered prism would have to be adjusted to work through the ground glass back. I doubt this set-up is practical at all, but maybe someone else in the group has some experience in this. Again, the orientation in the prism finder will not be very helpful. Why do you want a meter so badly for a 903SWC? What do you want to use the 903SWC for? It is quite a specialized camera. I have a 500 C/M I use for weddings and portraiture and have never needed a metered prism... Maybe consider a good flash meter and a 501 C/M with a 40mm lens. I have a feeling it might be cheaper too. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Nitzan Tagansky [mailto:ntagansk@jcrew.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:13 AM To: BJWilliams@city.surrey.bc.ca Subject: meter and 903 Bill, Thanks fopr your reply. If you don't mind: What is your suggestion if I want to have the image right side up and possibly use a meter. You also mentioned callibrating for the back, how is that done? Many thanks, Nitzan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:59:20 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: Jim, I think the Hasselblad is great for album cover kind of work, even when = they require digital. I did a web site job, similar to a brochure/advertis= ing job, and I used my Hasselblad, too. They also wondered why I didn't = originate in digital, but I assured them we could scan the prints or negs. = In the end, we scanned the prints. Sure, it was overkill, but the folks = involved did enjoy the Hasselblad quality, and the models involved = selected prints for their portfolios. Not only did I get the sales, but = also some good will. In my case, I like to plan each shot in detail for this kind of shoot, and = allow a half hour for each one, at least. That way, I can set my lights = and shoot Polaroids, to be sure to do a good job. In the case of the job = in question, I used ceiling bounce to light a large area, and a key on the = principal subject close to camera. The Polaroids revealed a dark = background in a few seconds, and the Polaroids helped not only get the = exposure right, but also give the models something to look at, adding an = interest in the work. Peter >>> Jim Stewart 11/22/00 12:17PM >>> You did the right thing. Jim Brick wrote: >=20 > Last week I was asked to shoot a small jazz band for an album cover. I = said > OK. Then they said that they wanted it shot with a digital camera so = they > could import the image into Photoshop for the layout. I said that I = don't > have a digital camera and they replied that they had a Nikon 990 that I > could use. I asked if you could put the 990 in manual and use external > studio strobes. They said yes. >=20 > So Monday evening I put my Dynalite strobe outfit in the car. I also put = my > Hasselblad backpack and a pro-pack of 220 Portra NC 160 in the car. >=20 > I got there, set up the lights, took a meter reading (Gossen Lunastar F) > and got a reading of f/8.5 for ISO 160. I picked up the 990 and asked if > someone knew how to both put the camera in manual and select external > flash. Everyone fiddled with the camera, went through countless menus, = then > after ten minutes said "no." >=20 > I wasn't serious about using the 990 anyway but I started out that way = to > appease them. >=20 > I said "that's OK, I have a real camera in my backpack so we can take = real > photographs." >=20 > So I pulled my 203FE out of the backpack, mounted a 40mmCFE, a motor, 45 > deg prism, loaded 220 NC160, put the camera in "C", connected the strobe = to > the lens, set the f/stop to f/8, shutter to 1/60th to keep ambient light > from doing anything, and started shooting. 48 shots later, I packed > everything and went home. I'll process the film this weekend but I don't > expect any surprises. I'll deliver contact sheets on Monday. When they = pick > the shots they want (Album cover, back, and photo on the CD itself) = I'll > have them scanned (Pro Repro Scan) and put on a CD. >=20 > Hasselblad and film wins again. >=20 > The 6x6 pro scans will blow the JPEGs that a 990 can produce out of the > water and into orbit. The band was dressed all in black. CCD's do not do > well with the toe end of the gamma curve. I gave the Portra NC a half = stop > boost to make sure I get black detail. you cannot do this with a CCD as = it > will blow out the highlights. This will not happen on the film. >=20 > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, = or affiliates. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/R= emoteListSummary/Hasselblad=20 > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm= =20 > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.h= tml=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, = or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/Rem= oteListSummary/Hasselblad=20 Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm=20= Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.htm= l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:02:59 -0800 (PST) From: _emaq_ To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: "'Nitzan Tagansky'" Subject: RE: meter and 903SWC Message-ID: Today, The Esteemed Williams, Bill gathered electrons and wrote: > > Maybe consider a good flash meter and a 501 C/M with a 40mm lens. I have a > feeling it might be cheaper too. With this in mind, does anyone have a URL comparing the focal difference with the 40mm and with the SWC? Hopefully with images for comparison. TIA! -- _emaq_ No electrons were hurt in the making of this email. DSS/DH Public Key 0x9399D2E4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:12:05 +0100 From: =?Windows-1252?Q?ULF_SJ=D6GREN?= To: , "'Nitzan Tagansky'" Subject: SV: meter and 903SWC Message-ID: <000801c054af$b9ddba60$887f97d4@s101194> >>>". I have a 500 C/M I use for > weddings and portraiture and have never needed a metered prism." > Goodevening. With me it is even worse. I have a SWC and has never had the thought to = equip it with a built-in meter. I use my spotmeter for that camera (too) = and would only find it ridiculous to have a a meter attached to it. = Prism? it happens I use it, but if the picture is upside down is of less = (no) importance. Maybe that is a achieved damage to my mind after all = years with a studio camera but if you cant judge a picture upside down I = find that be even more of a malfunction. The Hasselblad SWC/903 IS a = special camera, far from the amateur range. It can't have a mirror, the = user is forced to be able to use a hand-held meter (or to have another = camera). It is a professional tool. But very rewarding. Ulf .bc.ca > Subject: meter and 903 >=20 >=20 >=20 Bill, >=20 > Nitzan > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's = subsidiaries, or affiliates. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: = http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at = http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at = http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris J. DiBona" To: HUG Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: You shouldn't equate your ignorance regarding the use of a digital camera with a victory for film. You can shut off onboard flash with the 990 and you do have a lot of control over the camera in manual mode. That said, I'd prefer film for that sort of application if I were them, but I don't think we should debate the merits of film vs digital based upon photographer inexperience. An equivalent argument might be something like "I took a picture with a 500 went to develop the images and spilled coffee in the developer tank, which ruined the picture, luckily I took a picturew with my 990 and was able to use that very easily, digital triumphs over film!" Chris -- > I wasn't serious about using the 990 anyway but I started out that way to > appease them. > > I said "that's OK, I have a real camera in my backpack so we can take real > photographs." > > So I pulled my 203FE out of the backpack, mounted a 40mmCFE, a motor, 45 > deg prism, loaded 220 NC160, put the camera in "C", connected the strobe to > the lens, set the f/stop to f/8, shutter to 1/60th to keep ambient light > from doing anything, and started shooting. 48 shots later, I packed > everything and went home. I'll process the film this weekend but I don't > expect any surprises. I'll deliver contact sheets on Monday. When they pick > the shots they want (Album cover, back, and photo on the CD itself) I'll > have them scanned (Pro Repro Scan) and put on a CD. > > Hasselblad and film wins again. > > The 6x6 pro scans will blow the JPEGs that a 990 can produce out of the > water and into orbit. The band was dressed all in black. CCD's do not do > well with the toe end of the gamma curve. I gave the Portra NC a half stop > boost to make sure I get black detail. you cannot do this with a CCD as it > will blow out the highlights. This will not happen on the film. > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:12:23 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <3A1C1A97.CEFEF0DA@rabiner.cncoffice.com> "Chris J. DiBona" wrote: > > You shouldn't equate your ignorance regarding the use of a digital camera > with a victory for film. > n equivalent argument might be something like "I took a picture with a > 500 went to develop the images and spilled coffee in the developer tank, > which ruined the picture, luckily I took a picturew with my 990 and was > able to use that very easily, digital triumphs over film!" > > Chris > > -- > > I wasn't serious about using the 990 anyway but I started out that way to > > appease them. > > > Jim > A Compromise: How about the use of a rented digital back on a Hasselblad??!! Beats the heck out of Polaroids!! mark rabiner :) http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris J. DiBona" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: I have to admit, if kodak makes that 4k x 4k back for the 500 available.... That said, I'm going to be buying a film scanner soon enough and it's my thought that I'd get more of a bang for my buck from that. I'd love to know what people think of the minolta dimage scan multi, as the jump from that to the imacon is something like 10k.... Chris -- Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems | http://www.valinux.com President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group | http://www.svlug.org Grant Chair, Linux International. | http://www.li.org Co-editor, Open Sources | http://www.dibona.com On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Mark Rabiner wrote: > "Chris J. DiBona" wrote: > > > > You shouldn't equate your ignorance regarding the use of a digital camera > > with a victory for film. > > n equivalent argument might be something like "I took a picture with a > > 500 went to develop the images and spilled coffee in the developer tank, > > which ruined the picture, luckily I took a picturew with my 990 and was > > able to use that very easily, digital triumphs over film!" > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > > I wasn't serious about using the 990 anyway but I started out that way to > > > appease them. > > > > > Jim > > > > A Compromise: > How about the use of a rented digital back on a Hasselblad??!! > Beats the heck out of Polaroids!! > mark rabiner > :) > http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:15:06 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: , Subject: Re: Acute-Matte D Message-ID: <003501c054c0$e9e7a3e0$0adbf1c3@qnu99> Mark Rabiner wrote: > > The Acute-Matte D is a little brighter and is also the current offering. One of my favorite aspects of the Acute Matte D is the two identification notches in the frame. Screen identification is otherwise difficult, unless one has several known screens for comparison and/or training in this area. > > > > Peter > > if it's brighter wouldn't they have to reset the meter prisms? > mark rabiner You would. I don't believe they are brighter. There is no word anywhere on compensations needed when switching between Acute Matte and Acute Matte D screens. The improvement of the Acute Matte D screens, i was told, is that they have better (more) contrast than the 'old' Acute Matte screens, making focussing a bit easier. And only a bit. But this is all hearsay, i haven't used an Acute Matte D screen myself. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:28:01 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: meter and 903SWC Message-ID: <003801c054c2$b72f68a0$0adbf1c3@qnu99> Williams, Bill wrote: > You cannot have the image right side up using a prism finder on a 903SWC. > Any prism finder (45 or 90 degree) is constructed for the top of the camera > over the mirror box, viewing through the fresnel viewing screen. The view > from the fresnel screen on a 500 series camera with the collapsible hood is > reversed but right side up. The prism finder re-orients the view back to > what you view outside of the viewfinder (unreversed). > > The 903SWC has no mirror, no fresnel viewing screen, and therefore, no > viewing from a collapsible hood, and no place for a prism finder. > Hasselblad makes a viewfinder that fits on the back of the camera (in place > of the film magazine) that re-orients the view. This viewfinder does not > have any type of meter, but the view is correct. You cannot take any > photographs though, as the viewfinder would have to be removed and the film > magazine re-attached for the exposure. Not quite so. To use any viewfinder on the back of the SWC cameras, you need the focussing screen adapter: a back with ground glass screen. Once this is in place, you can use any finder you want, metered prisms, non-metered prisms, hoods, collapsible or not, reflexfinders and what have you. The RMfx reflex viewfinder when used on the focussing screen adapter will put the image right side up, but left and right are still reversed. > You could attach a prism finder to the back of the 903SWC using the ground > glass adaptor. However, the meter in the metered prism would have to be > adjusted to work through the ground glass back. I doubt this set-up is > practical at all, but maybe someone else in the group has some experience in > this. Again, the orientation in the prism finder will not be very helpful. If you use the old type adapter, you will be using the old style focussing screen, so any meter prism calibrated to work with the old style screen will give correct readings. No problem. If on the other hand you have the new style focussing screen adapter, the one with the Acute Matte screen, all meter prisms calibrated to work with these screens will work fine. If you mix, you will have to compensate, bearing in mind the difference in brightness between the old style and Acute Matte screens is one full f-stop. No problem there either. Yet indeed, whatever prism you will use on whatever focussing screen adapter, the image will be upside down. > Why do you want a meter so badly for a 903SWC? What do you want to use the > 903SWC for? It is quite a specialized camera. I have a 500 C/M I use for > weddings and portraiture and have never needed a metered prism... > > Maybe consider a good flash meter and a 501 C/M with a 40mm lens. I have a > feeling it might be cheaper too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:37:02 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: Acute-Matte D Message-ID: <004b01c054c3$f997b980$0adbf1c3@qnu99> Q.G. de Bakker wrote: > The improvement of the Acute Matte D screens, i was told, is that they have > better (more) contrast than the 'old' Acute Matte screens, making focussing > a bit easier. And only a bit. > But this is all hearsay, i haven't used an Acute Matte D screen myself. The contrast bit, i see now in Wildi, applies not to contrasts in brightness, but contrast between the in and out of focus parts of your image, the out of focus part being more out of focus than when using the original Acute Matte. This most probably is due to the new type being more diffuse (which, mr Wildi says, gives better consistency when metering), not allowing our eyes to accomodate (try a completely non-diffusing, plain glass screen, and you'll find that *everything* is in focus...). Or perhaps not, i'm just guessing ;-). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:34:31 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, HUG Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <4.1.20001122130053.0172e380@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 10:50 AM 11/22/00 -0800, Chris J. DiBona wrote: >You shouldn't equate your ignorance regarding the use of a digital camera >with a victory for film. > > > >An equivalent argument might be something like "I took a picture with a >500 went to develop the images and spilled coffee in the developer tank, >which ruined the picture, luckily I took a picturew with my 990 and was >able to use that very easily, digital triumphs over film!" > > Chris You read it incorrectly. The point was that the Hasselblad is infinitely more capable in terms of simplicity and quality. Most Hasselblads still use film therefore the statement: "Hasselblad and film wins again." was appropriate. The primary design criteria for consumer digital cameras is not manual mode and a studio strobe set-up. No doubt that it can and is done, but these features are hidden. I do know how to set a 990 into the appropriate modes but as I said, it was my intention to use the Hasselblad from the beginning. I'm sure that when the graphic designer begins laying out the CD pages and making a promotional poster, data sheets, etc.,, the high quality of the scanned 6x6 film will an added advantage. And your analogy of spilling coffee in the developing tank is somewhat unrelated as that is rather difficult to do, difficult to do without knowing it, and in a dip & dunk processor (the only processor you could actually spill coffee into,) a cup of coffee would not markedly change the result. Perhaps a little more orange mask. :-) You could have said that I forgot to switch my 203FE to the "C" mode and the film came out blank therefore digital saved the day. But it didn't. Just for the record, my other life is as a Senior Scientist in the Imaging Electronics Department of Agilent Technologies. My current work is on the internals (microcode/firmware/software) that makes some new digital cameras (out next year by a well known digital camera company) work in all of the modes possible including full manual mode and raw data output. So I am completely familiar with digital cameras, inside and out. But I don't personally own one. Knowing what I know, I'll stick with film for my own work. Leica, Hasselblad, and Linhof. Put the brains in the user, not the camera. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:44:50 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Results of Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <4.1.20001122133550.0173c260@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> I just processed the film. It is gorgeous!!! Just as I said, a plus 1/2 stop brought up the black clothes to where there is complete detail in everything. Looking through a loupe, it is excruciatingly sharp. I like light tables and loupes. You know exactly what you have, when you see it. Beats smart media and computer monitors any day! :-) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:01:27 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001122170127.00864180@pop.roanoke.infi.net> Jim I HAVE spilled both coffee and whisky into the developer and, damn!, the print came out fine, proving that photography is meant for deluded and deranged souls such as I may be. I agree with your spin on this, having had an experience close to yours. I simply told them that if they had a digital camera and someone who knew what they were doing, then, whyever were they calling me? I shot the job with a Kiev-88, and got a bonus. The point? Do your own thing. Do not be overly technical. Equipment means only abilities and constraints. Use both for your own abilities. My most magnificent lens? A second-generation 5/400 Telyt. My most satisfying lens? A 1.5/7.5cm CZJ Biotar T in LTM. My most used lens -- ah! a 5.6/135 CZ S-Planar on a manual Bellows. Or the 5.6/120 S-Planar. Grand lenses, the both. But, then, a LOT of my 120 is shot with Rolleiflex TLR's. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris J. DiBona" To: HUG Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: Again, I agree with your conclusions, but I want to make sure that people are critical regarding digital for the right reasons. Also, your position at agilent didn't allow you to find out how to disable the internal flash, so I don't see what that has to do with anything. Chris -- > You read it incorrectly. > > The point was that the Hasselblad is infinitely more capable in terms of > simplicity and quality. Most Hasselblads still use film therefore the > statement: > > "Hasselblad and film wins again." > > was appropriate. The primary design criteria for consumer digital cameras > is not manual mode and a studio strobe set-up. No doubt that it can and is > done, but these features are hidden. I do know how to set a 990 into the > appropriate modes but as I said, it was my intention to use the Hasselblad > from the beginning. I'm sure that when the graphic designer begins laying > out the CD pages and making a promotional poster, data sheets, etc.,, the > high quality of the scanned 6x6 film will an added advantage. > > And your analogy of spilling coffee in the developing tank is somewhat > unrelated as that is rather difficult to do, difficult to do without > knowing it, and in a dip & dunk processor (the only processor you could > actually spill coffee into,) a cup of coffee would not markedly change the > result. Perhaps a little more orange mask. :-) You could have said that I > forgot to switch my 203FE to the "C" mode and the film came out blank > therefore digital saved the day. But it didn't. > > Just for the record, my other life is as a Senior Scientist in the Imaging > Electronics Department of Agilent Technologies. My current work is on the > internals (microcode/firmware/software) that makes some new digital cameras > (out next year by a well known digital camera company) work in all of the > modes possible including full manual mode and raw data output. So I am > completely familiar with digital cameras, inside and out. But I don't > personally own one. Knowing what I know, I'll stick with film for my own > work. Leica, Hasselblad, and Linhof. Put the brains in the user, not the > camera. > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:42:47 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Results of Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001122174247.00859d70@pop.roanoke.infi.net> At 01:44 PM 11/22/2000 -0800, Jim Brick wrote: >I just processed the film. It is gorgeous!!! Just as I said, a plus 1/2 >stop brought up the black clothes to where there is complete detail in >everything. Looking through a loupe, it is excruciatingly sharp. > Jim Bragging is allright -- but did you expect anything else? Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:52:28 EST From: Digiratidoc@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Nikon list address Message-ID: <3a.d1bad69.274da82c@aol.com> Anybody know the address for the Nikon list? Jim Laird ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:07:16 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Acute-Matte D Message-ID: <3A1C51A4.B704350B@rabiner.cncoffice.com> "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: > > The improvement of the Acute Matte D screens, i was told, is that they have > better (more) contrast than the 'old' Acute Matte screens, making focussing > a bit easier. And only a bit. > But this is all hearsay, i haven't used an Acute Matte D screen myself. > Hate to think what the big D might stand for!!! mark rabiner :) http://spokenword.to/rabiner/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:17 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, HUG Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: <4.1.20001122141347.01731d20@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 02:06 PM 11/22/00 -0800, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > >Also, your position at agilent didn't allow you to find out how to disable >the internal flash, so I don't see what that has to do with anything. > > Chris Thanks for the comments Chris, but yes my position at Agilent has/had everything to do with my knowing how to do anything and everything doable on a 990 as we have 990's all over the place, here, and use them for experimentation and as Polaroid replacements. Again, my whole point was that I never intended on using a digital camera, theirs or mine, so I simply played ignorant. Which may be more truthful than I wish to admit... :-) I nearly had a 990 given to me last August as a project joining bonus. All I had to do is show up for a dinner but I had tickets to Dave Brubeck concert (Bach to Brubeck - the Dave Brubeck quartet playing in on the same stage with, and with cooperative arrangements, the San Jose Symphony) so Dave won out and the 990 lost. I don't miss it. It would still be in the box. Anyway, for real photography, I'll stick to what I know best and what will best serve my customer's needs. Film. :-) Jim "Put the brains in the user, not the camera." J. Brick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris J. DiBona" To: HUG Subject: Re: Hasselblad and film saves the day. Message-ID: I see :-) -- Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems | http://www.valinux.com President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group | http://www.svlug.org Grant Chair, Linux International. | http://www.li.org Co-editor, Open Sources | http://www.dibona.com On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Jim Brick wrote: > At 02:06 PM 11/22/00 -0800, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > > >Also, your position at agilent didn't allow you to find out how to disable > >the internal flash, so I don't see what that has to do with anything. > > > > Chris > > Thanks for the comments Chris, but yes my position at Agilent has/had > everything to do with my knowing how to do anything and everything doable > on a 990 as we have 990's all over the place, here, and use them for > experimentation and as Polaroid replacements. > > Again, my whole point was that I never intended on using a digital camera, > theirs or mine, so I simply played ignorant. Which may be more truthful > than I wish to admit... :-) > > I nearly had a 990 given to me last August as a project joining bonus. All > I had to do is show up for a dinner but I had tickets to Dave Brubeck > concert (Bach to Brubeck - the Dave Brubeck quartet playing in on the same > stage with, and with cooperative arrangements, the San Jose Symphony) so > Dave won out and the 990 lost. I don't miss it. It would still be in the box. > > Anyway, for real photography, I'll stick to what I know best and what will > best serve my customer's needs. Film. > > :-) > > Jim > > > "Put the brains in the user, not the camera." > J. Brick > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:34:16 EST From: BLADHASS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad vs Contax Message-ID: --part1_f3.4d2d351.274dce18_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just loaned out my Hasselblad to a friend. He will be conducting tests between the Contax 645 and the Hasselblad 503. He is making this test only to determine which camera will make the sharpest prints. I also loaned him my 100CF and 180CF. I will post his findings here when all is done. He claims he will sell all his Contax gear if the Hasselblad is sharper. Anybody need a nice clean Contax 645 with a 45, 80, 140, 210. Peter Peterson --part1_f3.4d2d351.274dce18_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just loaned out my Hasselblad to a friend. He will be conducting
tests between the Contax 645 and the Hasselblad 503. He is making this test
only to determine which camera will make the sharpest prints. I also loaned
him my 100CF and 180CF.
I will post his findings here when all is done. He claims he will sell
all his Contax gear if the Hasselblad is sharper. Anybody need a nice clean
Contax 645 with a 45, 80, 140, 210.
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C054B3.DAE517E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:38:02 EST From: Digiratidoc@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Acute-Matte D Message-ID: So has anyone done a comparison test of Acute-Matte vs Acute-Matte D? Would it be worthwhile to seek a 'D' screen if you did a lot of low-light work, for example? Jim Laird In a message dated 11/22/2000 5:08:26 PM Central Standard Time, mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com writes: << "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: > > The improvement of the Acute Matte D screens, i was told, is that they have > better (more) contrast than the 'old' Acute Matte screens, making focussing > a bit easier. And only a bit. > But this is all hearsay, i haven't used an Acute Matte D screen myself. > Hate to think what the big D might stand for!!! mark rabiner :) >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:06:37 -0600 From: "Murray E. Milligan" To: Hasselblad Subject: X-Pan = boutique item Message-ID: In a previous thread from y'day's digest, a member refers to the X-Pan as a boutique item. What does that mean? It's a novelty and not to be taken seriously? vocatus atque non vocatus deus adent Murray E. Milligan, Winnipeg, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:20:51 EST From: BLADHASS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: X-Pan = boutique item Message-ID: <80.341d94c.274df523@aol.com> --part1_80.341d94c.274df523_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used the X-Pan for many types of photography. Its about the best camera money can buy, if you consider its not just a pan camera or just a standard 35mm, plus it is a rangefinder, not an action camera. It does both sides "pan & standard 35mm" equally well. I have used this camera for pan groups of people instead of using our Fuji 6x17. I used Portra 400VC and I think the results are so close to what I have been getting from the Fuji that I would leave the Fuji at home. So this is no boutique item. Peter Peterson --part1_80.341d94c.274df523_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used the X-Pan for many types of photography. Its about the best
camera money can buy, if you consider its not just a pan camera or just a
standard 35mm, plus it is a rangefinder, not an action camera. It does both
sides "pan & standard 35mm" equally well. I have used this camera for pan
groups of people instead of using our Fuji 6x17. I used Portra 400VC and I
think the results are so close to what I have been getting from the Fuji that
I would leave the Fuji at home. So this is no boutique item.
Peter Peterson --part1_80.341d94c.274df523_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:36:46 EST From: ShadCat11@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: RE: B&H Message-ID: <91.3559fb4.274e06ee@aol.com> In a message dated 11/21/2000 7:09:28 PM, you wrote: <<>Oh no, I'm not sure I should elect to start this type of gory battle. > >Paolo > >Paolo Pignatelli Well, a chad in the hand is worth two in the Bush!>> Doesn't that depend on whose Gore is being Xed? Allen Zak ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:09:42 EST From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: B&H Message-ID: In a message dated 11/22/00 11:37:27 PM Central Standard Time, ShadCat11@aol.com writes: << Doesn't that depend on whose Gore is being Xed? >> I've lost count of these peculiar punches directed at Gore. Bob ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1057 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html