hasselblad Sun, 26 Nov 2000 Volume 1 : Number 1060 In this issue: Grey market Re: Just another thread Re: Just another thread Nature Photography with Hasselblad Re: Just another thread Re: Grey market Re: Just another thread RE: Nature Photography with Hasselblad Re: Nature Photography with Hasselblad macro work Re: macro work Re: Nature Photography with Hasselblad Re: macro work Re: macro work Re: macro work Re: Just another thread ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:04:42 GMT From: To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Grey market Message-ID: <410cb40b39.40b39410cb@eresmas.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----95541838c02772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=2C I come from Spain and I would like to know what is the grey market = and the differences whit the =22normal=22 market=2E Thank you in advance=2C Rafael Alday --- Entra en la comunidad del entretenimiento interactivo=2E Sum=E9rgete en Oniric=2Ecom=2C el portal de juegos de eresMas=2E Haz click aqu=ED=3A http=3A//www=2Eoniric=2Ecom ----95541838c02772 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="ralday.vcf"; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ralday.vcf Content-Description: Card for Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Alday Anzola;Rafael fn:Alday Anzola, Rafael version:2.1 email;internet:ralday@eresmas.com end:vcard ----95541838c02772-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:40:09 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Just another thread Message-ID: <000801c056cc$18d67980$47def1c3@qnu99> Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > Picked up a Hasselblad pistol grip in real good shape at a flea market the > other day for 7 bucks. I've always heard they're great for hand holding the > camera and the grip seemed to fit my left hand like a glove, so I bought it. > Took it home and tried to mount it on my 503cx, which it should fit, but > found that it fit the mounting plate OK but the darn body has a US adapter > installed (naturally) and the pistol grip uses a European thread. > My question: Is there any way to remove the US thread without destroying it > so I can use the pistol grip but also reinsert the adapter to mount it on my > tripod? The adapter doesn't seem to have the slots in it one can use to > unscrew it with a screwdriver like I've seen in other thread adapters. Any > other way to use it? Sure hate to waste 7 bucks! ;) That (using a screwdriver) indeed is the correct way to remove the adapter. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:02:09 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: Just another thread Message-ID: <004401c056cf$29a25f60$47def1c3@qnu99> Q.G. de Bakker wrote: > > [...] The adapter doesn't seem to have the slots in it one can use to > > unscrew it with a screwdriver like I've seen in other thread adapters. Any > > other way to use it? Sure hate to waste 7 bucks! ;) > > That (using a screwdriver) indeed is the correct way to remove the adapter. Oops! It *doesn't" have the slots... Should i learn to read, or what? I appologize. The "3" series cameras, including the 503 CX, were sold having a 1/4" tripod thread *only* from 1989 until 1994! So no luck there i'm afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:41:05 -0200 From: Syed Noor Hossain To: Subject: Nature Photography with Hasselblad Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the Club. I am now in Brazil and lived in Sweden immediately before. I am a serious amateur and spend - like most of you - a lot of money on Hasselblad gadgets and photographing with them. Recently I have published at my own expense a quality photography book - A TALE OF TWO LAKES - on landscape of and wildlife around two small lakes in Stockholm. The book is bilingual - in English and Swedish and I really need to sell some of them. How can I make it known to other people or market it without really spending more bucks?! I am also seeking assistance on another matter. At the moment I am using three lenses - 40mm, 80mm and 140-280 zoom, and a 2X Kenko converter for landscape and wildlife. Any one has better suggestion? Thanks. Syed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 08:37:43 -0500 From: "Ronald Muscio" To: Subject: Re: Just another thread Message-ID: <004b01c056e4$e8445b20$9a486420@ibm.net> Hi All, Apparently, my newer than '94 503CW has changeable mounting blocks. It came with both 1/4" and 3/8" threads, but the 1/4" was in line for mounting with flash bracket, pistol grip, etc. A email to Hasselblad from their web site resulted in them sending me the European mounting block with the 3/8" in line for mounting to my 45071 flash bracket, which has 3/8" threads. Removal of six screws was all it took to make the change. Ron PS...There was no charge for the new mounting block!!!!!! Probably because I had just gotten the new 503CW. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:34 AM Subject: Just another thread > Picked up a Hasselblad pistol grip in real good shape at a flea market the > other day for 7 bucks. I've always heard they're great for hand holding the > camera and the grip seemed to fit my left hand like a glove, so I bought it. > Took it home and tried to mount it on my 503cx, which it should fit, but > found that it fit the mounting plate OK but the darn body has a US adapter > installed (naturally) and the pistol grip uses a European thread. > My question: Is there any way to remove the US thread without destroying it > so I can use the pistol grip but also reinsert the adapter to mount it on my > tripod? The adapter doesn't seem to have the slots in it one can use to > unscrew it with a screwdriver like I've seen in other thread adapters. Any > other way to use it? Sure hate to waste 7 bucks! ;) > > Jim Laird > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:19:33 EST From: ShadCat11@aol.com To: ralday@eresmas.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Grey market Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/2000 5:06:18 AM, you wrote: <> The term "black market" refers to an illegal source for goods, such as smuggled or contraband items. A "grey market" is a legal source for goods, but one which bypasses normal wholesale or retail channels. Many retail outlets buy merchandise either directly from a manufacturer or find other sources for it and sell for substantially less than if they buy from designated distributors. A disadvantage for the consumer is that often the distributor is the only authorized warrantee service facility and can refuse to handle "grey" items. Distributors who contractually represent product lines justify higher prices by their increased costs, including promotion and support for the merchandise, while grey marketers (some of whom offer alternative warrantee protection) claim to be competing legally in a free market. That's all I think I know about the subject. Allen Zak ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:31:49 EST From: Digiratidoc@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Just another thread Message-ID: <96.c72f9c6.27515f95@aol.com> Ron, Thanks. Sounds to me like the best way to go if the mounting plate is not too 'pricey'. Do you know the part number for the European mounting plate? Jim Laird In a message dated 11/25/2000 7:40:57 AM Central Standard Time, rmuscio@attglobal.net writes: << Hi All, Apparently, my newer than '94 503CW has changeable mounting blocks. It came with both 1/4" and 3/8" threads, but the 1/4" was in line for mounting with flash bracket, pistol grip, etc. A email to Hasselblad from their web site resulted in them sending me the European mounting block with the 3/8" in line for mounting to my 45071 flash bracket, which has 3/8" threads. Removal of six screws was all it took to make the change. Ron >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:36:44 -0500 From: Stuart Phillips To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Nature Photography with Hasselblad Message-ID: <5309A83D07C5D211A2970000F80836D89A01CE@ems.cc.umb.edu> Hi - How much is the book and do you have a couple of examples online? stuart phillips -----Original Message----- From: Syed Noor Hossain [mailto:ambangla@zaz.com.br] Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:41 AM To: stuart.phillips@umb.edu Subject: Nature Photography with Hasselblad Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the Club. I am now in Brazil and lived in Sweden immediately before. I am a serious amateur and spend - like most of you - a lot of money on Hasselblad gadgets and photographing with them. Recently I have published at my own expense a quality photography book - A TALE OF TWO LAKES - on landscape of and wildlife around two small lakes in Stockholm. The book is bilingual - in English and Swedish and I really need to sell some of them. How can I make it known to other people or market it without really spending more bucks?! I am also seeking assistance on another matter. At the moment I am using three lenses - 40mm, 80mm and 140-280 zoom, and a 2X Kenko converter for landscape and wildlife. Any one has better suggestion? Thanks. Syed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:38:12 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Nature Photography with Hasselblad Message-ID: <200011251840.KAA05361@spoon.alink.net> At 11:41 AM 11/25/00 -0200, Syed Noor Hossain wrote: >Hello Everybody, > >I am a new member of the Club. I am now in Brazil and lived in Sweden >immediately before. I am a serious amateur and spend - like most of you - a >lot of money on Hasselblad gadgets and photographing with them. Recently I >have published at my own expense a quality photography book - A TALE OF TWO >LAKES - on landscape of and wildlife around two small lakes in Stockholm. >The book is bilingual - in English and Swedish and I really need to sell >some of them. How can I make it known to other people or market it without >really spending more bucks?! > >I am also seeking assistance on another matter. At the moment I am using >three lenses - 40mm, 80mm and 140-280 zoom, and a 2X Kenko converter for >landscape and wildlife. Any one has better suggestion? > >Syed You might try Amazon.com as they will handle pretty much any book. Do you have a web site with the book displayed? If not, you should. My wife and have published four photography based books and have a distributor that does the selling. We also sell to selected book and gift stored in out local area. This is not my main line of work so we don't push it. We've sold about 12,000 books over the past six to eight years. About your equipment. You didn't say what model camera you have. If it is a 500 series, I personally suggest the 100mm Planar as it is a stellar performer If you have a 200 series camera you might think about a 110FE or a 60-120FE zoom, both of which are as it is equally stellar in performance. My main focus is landscapes and nature and I find that I use the 100/110 focal length much more than 80. You have a gap between 80 and 140. If you like close-up nature, the 120 is wonderful. So my opinion is that you need something in the 100/120 range. My other opinion is that you sell the Kenko 2x converter and get a "ZEISS" 2x converter (the model before the current Hasselblad (Fuji or Keocera) 2x converter. IMHO Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:26:16 +0100 From: "piero cavigliasso" To: Subject: macro work Message-ID: <004f01c05726$59b9b390$3401a8c0@polial.polito.it> Hi, I'm quite new in this forum and new in the hasselblad group of users. After years of 135 photography I bough a 500cm +80/2,8T* +120/5,6T* , all second hand. Here in Italy that all costed me about 2500usd but it seems that I'll have to make some more investment. And I'd like to ask advise to you all. I use it for hobby and for work. For work I need to take pictures to objects in the size range of 30cm (12 inches) down to about 3cm (about 1 inch) like rings and small mechanical parts. The advise I need is for 1) the kind of lighting equipment I should buy (or make it on a 'do it yourself' basis - if possible) and 2) what kind of film 3) if I should buy a tube (55mm?) or a bellow. regards Piero ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:55:06 -0800 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: macro work Message-ID: Piero, Myself, I think you'd like either the tubes, the bellows or the even a set = of Proxars, the close up lenses. As far as the bellows goes, the 135mm lens and the bellows is liked by = some who do small parts. The also like the variable tube, which may be = out of production. Myself, I've always used tubes for my macro work and been happy. I think = if you had one, or possibly two, 21mm tubes, you would have a lot of = range, given your 80mm and 120mm lenses. Do you have a copy of the Wildi = book? It covers this topic excellently, with the effect of each tube on = field width and exposure compensation clearly described in tabular format. After much discussion, I discovered that several folks have found the = Proxars just fine. Lights? It depends on the subject, background and modelling you want to = achieve. I use a ring flash, and am happy. You might consider the sunpak = DX-12R. Another approach is to use softboxes or umbrellas, hot lights or = even flourescent tubes. And for very small reflective objects, such as = jewelry, a plastic cone is something I've heard of. Film choice? I use Fuji NPH for most everything, except Kodak T400CN for = B&W. I think your film choice would depend on how the result will be = presented. Peter >>> pcavigliasso@libero.it 11/25/00 04:26PM >>> Hi, I'm quite new in this forum and new in the hasselblad group of users. After years of 135 photography I bough a 500cm +80/2,8T* +120/5,6T* , all second hand. Here in Italy that all costed me about 2500usd but it seems that I'll have to make some more investment. And I'd like to ask advise to you all. I use it for hobby and for work. For work I need to take pictures to = objects in the size range of 30cm (12 inches) down to about 3cm (about 1 inch) = like rings and small mechanical parts. The advise I need is for 1) the kind of lighting equipment I should buy (or make it on a 'do it yourself' basis - if possible) and 2) what kind of film 3) if I should buy a tube (55mm?) or a bellow. regards Piero ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, = or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/Rem= oteListSummary/Hasselblad=20 Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm=20= Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.htm= l ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:26:21 -0200 From: Syed Noor Hossain To: Subject: Re: Nature Photography with Hasselblad Message-ID: > At 11:41 AM 11/25/00 -0200, Syed Noor Hossain wrote: >> Hello Everybody, >> >> I am a new member of the Club. I am now in Brazil and lived in Sweden >> immediately before. I am a serious amateur and spend - like most of you - a >> lot of money on Hasselblad gadgets and photographing with them. Recently I >> have published at my own expense a quality photography book - A TALE OF TWO >> LAKES - on landscape of and wildlife around two small lakes in Stockholm. >> The book is bilingual - in English and Swedish and I really need to sell >> some of them. How can I make it known to other people or market it without >> really spending more bucks?! >> >> I am also seeking assistance on another matter. At the moment I am using >> three lenses - 40mm, 80mm and 140-280 zoom, and a 2X Kenko converter for >> landscape and wildlife. Any one has better suggestion? >> >> Syed > > You might try Amazon.com as they will handle pretty much any book. > > Do you have a web site with the book displayed? If not, you should. > > My wife and have published four photography based books and have a > distributor that does the selling. We also sell to selected book and gift > stored in out local area. This is not my main line of work so we don't push > it. We've sold about 12,000 books over the past six to eight years. > > About your equipment. You didn't say what model camera you have. If it is a > 500 series, I personally suggest the 100mm Planar as it is a stellar > performer If you have a 200 series camera you might think about a 110FE or > a 60-120FE zoom, both of which are as it is equally stellar in performance. > My main focus is landscapes and nature and I find that I use the 100/110 > focal length much more than 80. You have a gap between 80 and 140. If you > like close-up nature, the 120 is wonderful. > > So my opinion is that you need something in the 100/120 range. > > My other opinion is that you sell the Kenko 2x converter and get a "ZEISS" > 2x converter (the model before the current Hasselblad (Fuji or Keocera) 2x > converter. > > IMHO > > Jim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > I have three Hasselblad bodies - 500CM, 503CX and 553ELX. (Is that too many? Any buyer for 503CX?) Would you recommend Hassy 500mm f/8 lens for wild life photography? Is it good or enough? Or should I continue with my 140-280 Schneider zoom and 2X tele-converter? Because these lenses are slow, till today, for bird photography I rely on Nikon with 500mm f/4 lens. I am pondering if I could discontinue Nikon and solely rely on Hasselbald. Syed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:35:42 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: macro work Message-ID: <001601c05749$32ed1040$84d8f1c3@qnu99> piero cavigliasso > I'm quite new in this forum and new in the hasselblad group of users. > After years of 135 photography I bough a 500cm +80/2,8T* +120/5,6T* , all > second hand. Here in Italy that all costed me about 2500usd but it seems > that I'll have to make some more investment. And I'd like to ask advise to > you all. > > I use it for hobby and for work. For work I need to take pictures to objects > in the size range of 30cm (12 inches) down to about 3cm (about 1 inch) like > rings and small mechanical parts. > The advise I need is for > 1) the kind of lighting equipment I should buy (or make it on a 'do it > yourself' basis - if possible) and > 2) what kind of film > 3) if I should buy a tube (55mm?) or a bellow. As lighting equipment you can make do with any kind you like really. Small studio flash units (or any flash with modelling lights) are great. But when coming in close, doing 2x magnification, you will find that there is not much room to play with, and lighting your subject becomes a bit of a hassle. There is a lot of do-it-yourself trickery (reflectors mainly) involved. But nothing that can't be done. You could use a ring light, again preferably one with modelling lights. If you don't like the even, flat light they give, you can always mask a part, or even parts, of the light. But it will always remain frontal light, and you might still want to use additional lights to get some 3-D and pick out structure. In theory, you can just about use any kind of film you want. Photographing objects down to 3 cm will mean you'll lose up to 3 stops due to extension. And you might be tempted to close the aperture somewhat more than usual to gain depth of field, losing you some more light. Light loss however is balanced a fair deal by being able to use you're lights in close. And if one burst of flash is not enough, you can always fire a second. Considering this loss of light, using a faster than normal film would appear to be the obvious choice, but i find a medium, or even slow film (Kodachrome 25 in 35 mm) is never a problem. Since you need to go up to 2x magnification (photographing objects down to 3 cms in size) you would definitely want to use the bellows. You'll need an extra 14 cms of extension to do this with the 80 mm lens, even 20 cms extra using the 120 mm. So bellows it is. The 120 mm lens has a built-in extension of about 28 mm, the bellows has as minimum extension of 63.5 mm. This means that the maximum magnification using the 120 mm lens by itself is about 0.2x (object dimension 25 cm), and the minimum magnification of this lens on the bellows is about 0.5x (object dimension 11 cm), so you will want to use 16 and 32 mm tubes as well to bridge the gap. You could use the 80 mm lens as well, but since the 120 mm is suited so much better for this job, and you'll need just as much extra hardware to make the 80 mm do what you want, i'd stick to the 120 mm. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:57:11 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: "Q.G. de Bakker" Cc: Subject: Re: macro work Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001125205711.008755e0@pop.roanoke.infi.net> I use a manual bellows rig with my 2000 FCM. My lenses range from the 2.8/80 Planar T* to a Luminar and a variety of Micro-Summar and Micro-Tessar lenses to the intended 5.6/135 CZ S-Planar. Any way you cut it, the gear works impeccably. I generally do my critical work on chromes; with a Kiev Meter-Prism, the metering is dead on-spot. The stuff I do for casual work is shot on colour or black and white negative films; here, exposure is less of a problem. I never use flash, but, then, I am almost always shooting camera gear or lenses or the like, so I am trying to avoid the harsh burn of chrome and black leather. So, I put a chair -- as a stand -- on my front porch in the early afternoon, and go from there, with a white sheet as a backdrop. The quality breeds of micro lenses are the now-NLA Zeiss Luminars, the partially now-NLA Leitz Photars, the older Micro- and Repro-Summars and Milars, and the Bausch & Lomb Micro-Tessars. There are also Zeiss Jena Mikrotars and Zeiss Jena and Oberkochen Micro-Tessars. All are magnificent. But, bluntly, you can do no worse than what Victor meant for you, a 5.6/135 S-Planar and a Bellows. Manual or automatic, either way, it will work. And, with a TTL meter-prism, worry not about the details! Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:06:10 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: macro work Message-ID: <00b401c0574d$73a279a0$84d8f1c3@qnu99> Marc James Small > [...] > But, bluntly, you can do no worse than what Victor meant for you, a 5.6/135 > S-Planar and a Bellows. Manual or automatic, either way, it will work. > And, with a TTL meter-prism, worry not about the details! And Piero Cavigliasso shouldn't worry about his f/5.6 120 mm S-Planar lens either. Absolutely no need to spend more money and find a 135 mm as well... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:37:37 EST From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: , , Subject: Re: Just another thread Message-ID: >> That (using a screwdriver) indeed is the correct way to remove the adapter. >Oops! It *doesn't" have the slots... Should i learn to read, or what? I appologize. You might try to replace the quick-release plate on the bottom of your camera with another one. The plate on my (1999) 203FE has BOTH the sizes of tripod bolt holes, one behind the other. Perhaps this could be adapted to your 503? -David Gerhardt ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1060 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html