hasselblad Mon, 17 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 12 In this issue: Re: Black frame & notches (Re: V12 BACKS: IS IT WISE?) Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 flexbody '4x5' -was Re: A16 BACKS: IS IT WISE? Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad What viewfinder? (Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad) Wanted user but workign Blads (500c el) lenses etc Re: Lost subscribers Re: Lost subscribers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:10:12 -0400 From: jllphoto@evansville.net (Janet L. Lindholm) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Black frame & notches (Re: V12 BACKS: IS IT WISE?) Message-ID: >notches all over the place. Another reason is to identify which piece >of film came from which back so that if a light leak developments you >can find the guilty back. In our business, we notch our backs so if there is a problem we know immediately which back needs repair. This is much easier and less time consuming then testing each back. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:32:08 -0600 From: OLIVER DRABKIN To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Message-ID: <346F6658.2E7FE800@INTERACCESS.COM> Does anyone know where to buy a Kiev prism in the U.S.? Will it fit all Hasselblads? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:42:13 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: OLIVERD@interaccess.com Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971116164213.00689bcc@roanoke.infi.net> At 03:32 PM 11/16/97 -0600, Oliver Drabkin wrote: >Does anyone know where to buy a Kiev prism in the U.S.? Will it fit all >Hasselblads? Yes, these guys fit ALL Hassies from the 1600F to the current ones. Well, the first place to check for anything Soviet or Post-Soviet is Mark Chaney, +203/756-0412 or . I have a spare I could be talked out of, but I'd charge more than Mark does, so check with him first. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:08:37 -0500 From: "Dwight Montgomery" To: , Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Message-ID: <01bcf2dc$302e5140$7740460c@images> http://members.aol.com/kievusa/index.html This is the most reputable. I bought a Keiv88 from them about two years ago. Dwight. -----Original Message----- From: OLIVER DRABKIN To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 >Does anyone know where to buy a Kiev prism in the U.S.? Will it fit all >Hasselblads? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Armstrong To: "Lionel F. Stevenson" Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: flexbody '4x5' -was Re: A16 BACKS: IS IT WISE? Message-ID: Hi - the image from the flexbody is 6x6 -- it's just that the 40mm lens's image circle doesn't provide enough coverage to allow for full use of the movements of the body. So, as kind of a workaround, Hassy provides a 4x5 cm mask to fit in the back of the flexbody -- it has the effect of 1) reducing the size of your image, thereby 'increasing' the coverage of the 40mm and 2)just keeping it straight for the photographer that you're running the risk of getting an image with incomplete exposure in certain regions depending on your particular setup of the flexbody. Most other lenses (Hassy provides a quick reference card) allow for full use of the rise/fall and tilt movements -- without restrictions. hope this clarifies.... -Eric On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Lionel F. Stevenson wrote: > >They are especially appropriate for use with the 40mm lens/FlexBody combo, > >as this lens/body combination forces the use of a 4cmx5cm mask -- fits > >perfectly into the space allocated per image by a 16 back. > > > >-eric > That's interesting! I've never seen anything from Hasselblad that said the > image from the flex body is 4 x 5 cm. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Armstrong e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:22:30 -0600 From: OLIVER DRABKIN To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Message-ID: <346F9C55.DDB4F3BE@INTERACCESS.COM> Does anyone know if the Kiev prisims have diopter adjustments? What about fit and optics? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:23:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kronquist To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Message-ID: <199711170323.TAA13181@mail1.teleport.com> Tymer's in Vancuver WA has some Kiev metered prisms 360 696 0859 ---------- >From: Marc James Small >To: hasselblad@kelvin.net >Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:48:09 -0500 > >The Kiev meter-prism takes a pack of PX625 mercury cells. It will work as >well with PX76 or equivalent silver-oxide cells. I bushed mine with >plastic and haven't had a problem. > >Marc > > >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:46:58 -0500 From: "D. L. Feinberg" To: , Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Message-ID: <01bcf30b$74775a20$86194dcf@donf> >Does anyone know if the Kiev prisims have diopter adjustments? >What >about fit and optics? > > There are no diopter adjustments. There are no optics other than the prism itself and the eyepiece, which is not replaceable. The Kiev prisms will fit virtually any Hassy from the 1600 to today. Optical quality is not up to the level of the new Hassy prisms. I have seen some samples of Kiev prisms which have some distortion towards the edges. Most are fine, tho'. I have three Kievs, and I'd sure like to have one of the Hassy prisms, but the thought of $900 or more for just one prism has me permanently out of that market... Don Feinberg donf@intercall.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: cmiller@berkshire.net (Curt Miller) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: <199711170351.WAA06650@loomis.berkshire.net> I checked Kiev USA's site and they list two finders: A 'metered' finder (about $229) A 'prism' finder ($289 or 299 or thereabouts) Can someone help out with a more thorough description of these eye level finders? eg: do they both contain prisms or is the metered version done with mirrors and thus less expensive? Are they both 45 deg or is one of them a 90? These could well be tremendous bargains. I bought a brand new PM90 a year ago. I like it but boy did the price ever hurt! Also, I'd also like to hear how others use their Hasselblads out in the field, handheld. I'm really somewhat discouraged when using it with a prism on the go - even though it would seem like a dream come true. The prism alone adds another 50% to the camera's weight and size and really (for me) seems to take a lot away from the experience of field use. I mainly carry it around to use as an adjunct to my Leicas for closeups and architecture - areas where I feel MF excels (sometimes I long to try the Fuji RF cameras for this use). Should I just leave the prism at home for studio use and use the waistlevel finder in the field? How about using the magnifying hood in the field as an alternative the the waistlevel finder? Curt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:59:55 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971116225955.0075d614@roanoke.infi.net> Both the metered and non-metered prisms are prisms, and not mirrors. Both are real hunks of glass. In recent years, Hasselblad has gone to a secondary market for their prism glass, and it has fallen more than a bit in clarity: these Kiev prisms are both inexpensive AND grand optically. They are solidly built from Zeiss-derived optics, and are wonderfully clear and sharp. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:08:02 -0500 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971116230802.00891ac0@pop.microtec.net> At 10:51 PM 16-11-97 -0500, Curt wrote: [snip] >Also, I'd also like to hear how others use their Hasselblads out in the >field, handheld. I'm really somewhat discouraged when using it with a prism >on the go - even though it would seem like a dream come true. The prism >alone adds another 50% to the camera's weight and size and really (for me) >seems to take a lot away from the experience of field use. [snip] I've been using a PME-3 on my 500CM for the last 3 years. Recently I took it off and replaced it with the standard waist-level finder. I had forgotten how lightweight and compact a Hasselblad can be. Dan C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:09:35 +0100 From: Håkan Gunnarsson To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: cmiller@berkshire.net Subject: What viewfinder? (Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad) Message-ID: <346FD18F.2C4C@mailer.student.gu.se> Curt Miller wrote: (snip) =20 > Also, I'd also like to hear how others use their Hasselblads out in the > field, handheld. I'm really somewhat discouraged when using it with a = prism > on the go - even though it would seem like a dream come true. The pris= m > alone adds another 50% to the camera's weight and size and really (for = me) > seems to take a lot away from the experience of field use. I mainly ca= rry > it around to use as an adjunct to my Leicas for closeups and architectu= re - > areas where I feel MF excels (sometimes I long to try the Fuji RF camer= as > for this use). Should I just leave the prism at home for studio use an= d use > the waistlevel finder in the field? How about using the magnifying hoo= d in > the field as an alternative the the waistlevel finder? >=20 > Curt I've considered getting a prism for my 500 C/M but the price has kept me away from it; I dare to say that the PM(E)-5(1) prisms are severely overpriced. The metered PME-51 is supposed to be more accurate and durable than the PME(-3) but boy, those red diodes on the EV scale -- no high-tech there! I could have been mistaken but the view a got from a PME-51 I looked at seemed to be exactly the same as the one I got from a PME prism manufactured in -83. I like the waistlevel finder although I have to turn up the magnifier when focusing, then turn it down again when composing and shooting from the waist. In the field, I think it's nice that waist-level photography doesn't catch that much attention from people around you. And, it can be collapsed virtually into nothing. H=E5kan Gunnarsson G=F6teborg, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kronquist To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Wanted user but workign Blads (500c el) lenses etc Message-ID: <199711170518.VAA18113@mail1.teleport.com> thanks ---------- >From: Marc James Small >To: hasselblad@kelvin.net >Subject: Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:59:55 -0500 > >Both the metered and non-metered prisms are prisms, and not mirrors. Both >are real hunks of glass. In recent years, Hasselblad has gone to a >secondary market for their prism glass, and it has fallen more than a bit >in clarity: these Kiev prisms are both inexpensive AND grand optically. >They are solidly built from Zeiss-derived optics, and are wonderfully clear >and sharp. > >Marc > > >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:57:40 CET From: "kev Walker" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Lost subscribers Message-ID: <19971117075740.8589.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear Dan Cardish, Please unsubscribe me from your hasselblad digest/list,IMMEDIATELY. Since subcribing I have experience nothing but problems,eg. one day I received some 150 e-mail from the digest,blocking up my letter box and obscuring important correspondence. If you cannot sort out the digest in an orderly form,I do not want to be a member. Kevin Walker ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:23:18 -0500 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net From: "Dan Cardish" Subject: Lost subscribers Reply-to: hasselblad@kelvin.net I am having some problems accounting for a few lost subscribers to the list, so for the next few days I will be moderating any unsubscriptions, meaning that I will receive an email, and will have to take action, in order for you to remove your name from the list. I will do this without question; I only want to see what is happening to those few who seem to keep disappearing from the list without their knowledge. 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