hasselblad                     Thu, 19 Apr 2001         Volume 1 : Number 1201

In this issue:

        Henry Posner's THREATS
        List Sales + Portrait Topic
        Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
        Re: Portrait Topic
        Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
        Re: List Sales 
        RE: Henry Posner's THREATS
        Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
        RE: List Sales 
        Re: List Sales 
        RE: List Sales 
        Re: List Sales 
        Re: List Sales
        Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
        Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
        Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
        Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:04:51 EDT
From: Photovilla@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <6e.9af975b.280ef903@aol.com>

<<This list will be enlarged and updated weekly until the list owner comes to 
his senses and again bans commercial posts. 
--
regards,
Henry Posner
Director of Sales and Training
B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com>>

I hope the list administrator reads this THREAT and bans YOU from the list 
instead. BTW, I believe the rule is posting on Friday only...so you are in 
violation besides being aggressive and rude. 

Keep showing your true colors please!

cheers,
Rich

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:39:52 -0400
From: "Peter Klosky" <peter.klosky@marcgs.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: List Sales + Portrait Topic
Message-ID: <001a01c0c815$6e1cbf20$230a210a@dulles>

Dan and List Members,

Thank you again for providing the excellent mailing list service and
content.  For my part, I'm glad to have the opportunity to see that I can
purchase a 12 back for $100, or even a serviceable A24.  Not only has this
list been a big help to me on the technical side, but it has also enabled me
to buy and sell gear so that I have a rig that suits my needs.

I'm happy to see lists of items, with prices, most any time.  Even a
constant stream of "you are rude" back and forth on the list between Henry
and Rich is tolerable, though, in my case, I'm not impressed by this aspect
of their decorum.  Again, I'm very happy at the services they offer, but
wish they would refrain from using the general list for yelling at one
another, when they could just send each other these nasty messages.

On the other topic, lately I've been working on what I would calling
"near/far" portraits.  In these cases, I either have the people close and
some distant scene behind them, such as a landscape, or I have an item of
interest, such as flowers, close to the lens and the folks further away.
I've been using my 150mm at f8.  The results have been less than
outstanding.  In general, I think I'm lacking depth of field.  I'm
considering switching to my 80mm for these shots, and checking my depth of
field and exposures more carefully.  Has anyone else done this sort of shot?
I may also ask Tom Stark on the zuga.net chat board, as he posts images of
this type every now and then.

Peter

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:24:32 -0700
From: "Daniel K. Lee" <daniel@dklimages.com>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <B702FFC0.1BB9%daniel@dklimages.com>

what???? I don't see anything....


on 4/18/01 7:04 AM, Photovilla@aol.com at Photovilla@aol.com wrote:

> <<This list will be enlarged and updated weekly until the list owner comes to
> his senses and again bans commercial posts.
> --
> regards,
> Henry Posner
> Director of Sales and Training
> B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com>>
> 
> I hope the list administrator reads this THREAT and bans YOU from the list
> instead. BTW, I believe the rule is posting on Friday only...so you are in
> violation besides being aggressive and rude.
> 
> Keep showing your true colors please!
> 
> cheers,
> Rich
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:07:28 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: Don Lintner <lintner@uwp.edu>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: Portrait Topic
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.31.0104181103090.-249443@lintner.uwp.edu>

Peter,

You may even want to try a wider angle than the 80. I've used a 50mm to
good advantage in situations similar to what you describe (if I'm
visuallizing correctly from your email). You'll maybe want to get
physically closer to the subject to keep their size the same in the image
and I usually try to keep heads away from the edges of the frame with wide
angle lenses to avoid distortion.

Don Lintner

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:08:51 -0400
From: "Jeffrey Frankel" <jfrankel@worldnet.att.net>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <000901c0c821$dfa851c0$946dfea9@jeff>

Whoa, somebody cool this guy off with a bucket of iced bytes.


> <<This list will be enlarged and updated weekly until the list owner comes
to
> his senses and again bans commercial posts.
> --
> regards,
> Henry Posner
> Director of Sales and Training
> B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com>>
>
> I hope the list administrator reads this THREAT and bans YOU from the list
> instead. BTW, I believe the rule is posting on Friday only...so you are in
> violation besides being aggressive and rude.
>
> Keep showing your true colors please!
>

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:23:54 -0400
From: Anne B <cyclist2@strato.net>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: List Sales 
Message-ID: <3ADDBF8F.7B7A568F@strato.net>

Well, I just joined this list and seem to have landed in the middle of
something, but since list sales were mentioned, I'm looking for an extra
12 back for my EL/M. 

Anne

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:32:09 -0700
From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i@earthlink.net>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <000e01c0c825$1d360ac0$0201a8c0@Workgroup>

Are we SURE this threat came from Henry himself, and not from some idiot
trying to get Henry in trouble????

Before we fry the man, we should make sure he is responsible.....it is all
too easy to imitate someone else......

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:40:12 -0700
From: Jim Brick <jim_brick@agilent.com>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <4.1.20010418093706.01fa36c0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com>

Slow down Rich. Henry is a long time and respected member of this list. His
statement to Dan was surely tongue-in-cheek as Henry does have a good sense
of humor. I'm sure the entire list, other than you, took it in this light.
You should try re-reading his post in that light.

Jim


At 10:04 AM 4/18/01 -0400, Photovilla@aol.com wrote:
><<This list will be enlarged and updated weekly until the list owner comes to 
>his senses and again bans commercial posts. 
>--
>regards,
>Henry Posner
>Director of Sales and Training
>B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
>http://www.bhphotovideo.com>>
>
>I hope the list administrator reads this THREAT and bans YOU from the list 
>instead. BTW, I believe the rule is posting on Friday only...so you are in 
>violation besides being aggressive and rude. 
>
>Keep showing your true colors please!
>
>cheers,
>Rich

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:40:13 +0200
From: "Eduard Crombie" <crombie@skynet.be>
To: <cyclist2@strato.net>, <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: List Sales 
Message-ID: <NDBBKDMNLEPDIBFKLHPLOEFGCBAA.crombie@skynet.be>

Hi Ann,

Don't take notice. In a few hours they'll start apologizing and being
friendly again :-)

Am I assuming right that you managed to solve the problem with the blank
film ?
Wanting to buy extra magazines is usually the sign of success.

Eduard,
(in sunny/rainy/sunny/rainy/sunny Belgium)

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:30:16 -0400
From: "Peter Klosky" <peter.klosky@marcgs.com>
To: <cyclist2@strato.net>,
	<hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: List Sales 
Message-ID: <005c01c0c82d$3f4c4360$230a210a@dulles>

Anne,

Henry said he had one.  $100 is a great price. 

Peter

p.s. His message, edited:

Then following Hasselblad items are available from the B&H Used Photo 
Department. They can be reached via usedphoto@bhphotovideo.com
Phone: 800 606-6969 or 212 444-6615, extension 2700
Fax: 212 239-7540

12 back 8+ $100.00

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:35:50 +0200
From: "Eduard Crombie" <crombie@skynet.be>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: List Sales 
Message-ID: <NDBBKDMNLEPDIBFKLHPLEEFKCBAA.crombie@skynet.be>

> From: Peter Klosky
> Anne,
> Henry said he had one.  $100 is a great price. 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 12 back 8+ $100.00
> 

Hi Peter and Anne,

Only thing to find out is if it's an A12 or a C12 back. 
There is a difference and I think Anne would prefer the A12 :-)

Eduard.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:56:19 -0400
From: "Peter Klosky" <peter.klosky@marcgs.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: List Sales 
Message-ID: <007301c0c839$41801ce0$230a210a@dulles>

Eduard,

Yes, you have a point that a "12 back" as not an "A12".  The 12 back usage
involves using the markings on the paper backing.  I have owned a "12 back",
and found it excellent.  I did abandon it in favor of a new A12, but only
due to the age and that fact that I had two and only use one.

Peter

> > From: Peter Klosky
> > Anne,
> > Henry said he had one.  $100 is a great price.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > 12 back 8+ $100.00
> >
>
> Hi Peter and Anne,
>
> Only thing to find out is if it's an A12 or a C12 back.
> There is a difference and I think Anne would prefer the A12 :-)
>
> Eduard.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:17:36 -0400
From: Anne B <cyclist2@strato.net>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: List Sales
Message-ID: <3ADE127C.82A76DBA@strato.net>

> Manual 12, or A-12?  DO you care anything about physical appearance?

The one I have is A-12. And it's badly scratched, but works. Physical
appearance doesn't bother me as long as the gears and internal stuff
works. Also that the dark slide isn't dented. But that can be replaced.

> Am I assuming right that you managed to solve the problem with the blank
> film ?
Eduard, I'm surprised you remember the problem of the blank film.  Put
the hassie up for a year and now have the urge to try it again. It could
even have been a problem with Ritz lab. Have a new lab in mind down in
Ft. Lauderdale (mail order). They are supposed to be very good. 

And yes, to all, that is a very good price ($100) for an A-12. Will
definitely look into it.
Thanks to all.
Anne

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:36:37 EDT
From: JCurcio@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <d1.53f742c.280f70f5@aol.com>

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In a message dated 4/18/01 10:05:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Photovilla@aol.com writes:


> I hope the list administrator reads this THREAT and bans YOU from the list 
> instead. BTW, I believe the rule is posting on Friday only...so you are in 
> violation besides being aggressive and rude. 
> 
> Keep showing your true colors please!
> 
> cheers,
> Rich
> 

Get a life.  It doesn't look like a threat to me and, frankly, I think Henry 
is absolutely right.  For me, I see little value in dealer fs ads (including 
Henry's) on the HUG -- they're invariably overpriced for my taste.  However, 
I was in the outvoted group when Dan Cardish solicited opinions on allowing 
dealer fs ads on the HUG, so that's that.  Rather than a threat, what I see 
in Henry's words simply is a prediction which I share -- not a threat.

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 4/18/01 10:05:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
<BR>Photovilla@aol.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I hope the list administrator reads this THREAT and bans YOU from the list 
<BR>instead. BTW, I believe the rule is posting on Friday only...so you are in 
<BR>violation besides being aggressive and rude. 
<BR>
<BR>Keep showing your true colors please!
<BR>
<BR>cheers,
<BR>Rich
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Get a life. &nbsp;It doesn't look like a threat to me and, frankly, I think Henry 
<BR>is absolutely right. &nbsp;For me, I see little value in dealer fs ads (including 
<BR>Henry's) on the HUG -- they're invariably overpriced for my taste. &nbsp;However, 
<BR>I was in the outvoted group when Dan Cardish solicited opinions on allowing 
<BR>dealer fs ads on the HUG, so that's that. &nbsp;Rather than a threat, what I see 
<BR>in Henry's words simply is a prediction which I share -- not a threat.</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:06:11 -0700
From: "Roger Beamon" <roger@beamon.org>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <3ADDD793.9994.252418@localhost>

On 18 Apr 2001, Jim Brick wrote, at least in part:

> Slow down Rich. Henry is a long time and respected member of this
> list. His statement to Dan was surely tongue-in-cheek as Henry does
> have a good sense of humor. I'm sure the entire list, other than
> you, took it in this light. You should try re-reading his post in
> that light.

Easiest way to find out is to ask Henry, as I'm now doing... What 
say you Henry, Is this tongue-in-cheek? Even this avenue gives 
Henry the luxury of being able to answer that question after the 
fact.

I can understand Henry not being in favor of commercial ads on 
any photo list. Ads on a list give each poster the same exposure 
as those from the giant marketer. B&H's ad budget allows them to 
place the multipage ads in the slick publications, whereas Rich 
would likely only place a small classified. Quite understandable 
and proper. It's a case of size and size alone.

Commercial ads are on both Leica lists and I hear no gretzing 
about it. The reason they're well accepted is that they are 
reasonable, once a week only, and done in good taste. Dan has 
put forth reasonable criteria for these ads, and, I'm sure, is 
monitoring them for adherance to those criteria.


--
Roger, List-Owner
The LEG (Leica Enthusiasts Mailing List)
http://www.topica.com/lists/leica

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:09:10 EDT
From: BobR38@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <c0.12e739d9.280f94b6@aol.com>

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Hi All,
I hope these side-tracked email messages stop soon. I joined the group to 
learn about Hasselblad Equipment, not for arguing back and forth between 
members, etc.
Cordially,
Bob Rodriguez

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Hi All,
<BR>I hope these side-tracked email messages stop soon. I joined the group to 
<BR>learn about Hasselblad Equipment, not for arguing back and forth between 
<BR>members, etc.
<BR>Cordially,
<BR>Bob Rodriguez</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:44:36 -0700
From: Jim Brick <jim@brick.org>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <200104190448.VAA29226@spoon.alink.net>

At 09:09 PM 4/18/01 -0400, BobR38@aol.com wrote: 
>
> Hi All, 
> I hope these side-tracked email messages stop soon. I joined the group to 
> learn about Hasselblad Equipment, not for arguing back and forth between 
> members, etc. 
> Cordially, 
> Bob Rodriguez 



Funny Rob. If there was no "arguing" as you put it, the list would be blank.
You would be sending test messages to see if the list still works.

All of this "talk", whether asking, answering, or arguing, is in pursuit of
all
things Hasselblad.

Extracurricular excursions never last more than a couple of days.

The best way to derail boring conversation, is to ask an interesting question,
so that the folks "arguing" have something else to pursue.

So, arguing or answers, it's up to you... 

Jim 

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:59:13 EDT
From: BobR38@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS
Message-ID: <18.b7a20ec.280fd8b1@aol.com>

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Jim,
You've made a good point. Now I hope someone comes up with good questions to 
ignite interesting topics here. Thanks for your comment.
Bob R.

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Jim,
<BR>You've made a good point. Now I hope someone comes up with good questions to 
<BR>ignite interesting topics here. Thanks for your comment.
<BR>Bob R.</FONT></HTML>

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