hasselblad Fri, 20 Apr 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1202 In this issue: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? 70mm film cassette loader? Re: Henry Posner Re: Henry Posner Re: Henry Posner Re: Henry Posner Re: Henry Posner Re: Henry Posner's THREATS Re: List Sales RE: Henry Posner Re: 70mm film cassette loader? RE: Henry Posner Re: Henry Posner RE: Henry Posner RE: Henry Posner's THREATS RE: Henry Posner's THREATS RE: 70mm film cassette loader? Re: Henry Posner RE: Henry Posner Re: List Sales Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Re: Henry Posner RE: Henry Posner's THREATS Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? portrait business--where to start Re: Henry Posner Re: portrait business--where to start RE: Henry Posner's THREATS RE: hasselblad V1 #1201 Re: portrait business--where to start Re: Use of Hasselblad 200 Series Cameras Replaces Viagra for.... hassy for sale friday 4-20-01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:26:35 +0200 From: Michael Buchstaller To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Message-ID: <718tdt4vrvkiu7pb2r70jle2c617em8oji@4ax.com> Hello HUG, i am in the process of building a simple pinhole camera. But for the convenience of being able to make multiple exposures without having to disassemble the camera in total dark to change film, i want to put my 12 back to it. Not an A12, because i want to advance the film with the knob on the right side and see in the peephole that i have reached the next frame. Now my question: how can i fasten the back to a piece of metal ? Is something like an international back for LF view cameras that takes the 12 magazine for cheap ? I do not have a milling machine, so i will have difficulties in making = such an adapter plate myself (with all the hooks and notches) Any ideas ? -Michael Buchstaller ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: 70mm film cassette loader? Message-ID: Does anyone know of a source for a 70mm cassette (the 15' kind used in the 70 backs) loader? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:33:20 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010419093257.00c41370@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:29 AM 04/19/2001, you wrote: >I believe the rule is posting on Friday only If so, then I apologize and will limit future posts of this nature to Fridays. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:34:39 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010419093400.00b5d8f0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:29 AM 04/19/2001, you wrote: >Are we SURE this threat came from Henry himself, Yes, we are. :-) Too bad some people have so much trouble recognizing irony these days. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:36:51 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010419093622.00b5acd0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:29 AM 04/19/2001, you wrote: >However, >I was in the outvoted group when Dan Cardish solicited opinions on allowing >dealer fs ads on the HUG, so that's that. Ditto. > Rather than a threat, what I see >in Henry's words simply is a prediction which I share -- not a threat. Thank you. My point exactly. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:42:05 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010419093733.00c95760@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:29 AM 04/19/2001, you wrote: >Easiest way to find out is to ask Henry, as I'm now doing... What >say you Henry, Is this tongue-in-cheek? Even this avenue gives >Henry the luxury of being able to answer that question after the >fact. Of course. As I said earlier irony seems to be more difficult to recognize these days. Too bad. Along with hubris and the occasional bout of NYC-inspired sarcasm, I think irony is a necessary part of intelligent discourse. >I can understand Henry not being in favor of commercial ads on >any photo list. Ads on a list give each poster the same exposure >as those from the giant marketer. That's not really my issue. My issue is that there are PLENTY of places to sell stuff, eBay & rec.photo.marketplace.medium-format coming immediately to mind. Of all the digests to which I subscribe (and there are several, although not the LUG) none permits commercial posts, nor any post referencing eBay-listed items. IMHO the original decision was unfortunate and my comment at the end of the post which initiated THIS thread was that if care is not taken, this digest will become nothing more than a copy of the Shutterbug classifieds, and not the resource for useful information it has been heretofore. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:02:49 -0700 From: "Roger Beamon" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <3ADE8D99.21387.466211@localhost> On 19 Apr 2001, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote, at least in part: We uns out here in the sticks tend to read pretty literally, Henry, and your words were what were read, not your sophisticated attempt at irony. Sorry we can't keep up. > and my comment at the end of the post which initiated THIS thread > was that if care is not taken, this digest will become nothing > more than a copy of the Shutterbug classifieds, and not the > resource for useful information it has been heretofore. -- The point is that Dan WILL take care of it and it WILL NOT become a copy of Shutterbug. The two Leica lists and the Rollei list prove that! The ads become part of the "resource for useful information" that comprise the list. I'm done now. Regards, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:32:47 -0400 From: Dave Norris To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS Message-ID: <009f01c0c8dd$9b29a820$c8a8a8c0@tripps.infoave.net> Jim, I agree with you, it would probably be quite boring without a certain amount bantering. It's a great way to learn personalities without having the opportunity to meet each other in person. There is rarely a message that I don't at least get something out of. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brick" To: ; Sent: Thursday, 19 April, 2001 00:44 Subject: Re: Henry Posner's THREATS > At 09:09 PM 4/18/01 -0400, BobR38@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I hope these side-tracked email messages stop soon. I joined the group to > > learn about Hasselblad Equipment, not for arguing back and forth between > > members, etc. > > Cordially, > > Bob Rodriguez > > > > Funny Rob. If there was no "arguing" as you put it, the list would be blank. > You would be sending test messages to see if the list still works. > > All of this "talk", whether asking, answering, or arguing, is in pursuit of > all > things Hasselblad. > > Extracurricular excursions never last more than a couple of days. > > The best way to derail boring conversation, is to ask an interesting question, > so that the folks "arguing" have something else to pursue. > > So, arguing or answers, it's up to you... > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:44:56 -0400 From: Dave Norris To: cyclist2@strato.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: List Sales Message-ID: <00a501c0c8df$4d1a3800$c8a8a8c0@tripps.infoave.net> I'm looking for a lab that does good work for low quantity, non-commercial accounts. I am familiar with H&H Color Lab's (in MO) work and would like that level of quality, but they want only commercial accounts and only have an 'open season' for new customers in January of each year. Anne, What lab is that in Ft. Lauderdale? Dave Norris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne B" > > Have a new lab in mind down in Ft. Lauderdale (mail order). They are supposed to be very good. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:25:04 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: Henry Posner Message-ID: <002d01c0c8e4$e898a370$6401a8c0@paolopent> Irony is not for rusticates? Paolo -----Original Message----- From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [mailto:henryp@bhphotovideo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:42 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Henry Posner At 03:29 AM 04/19/2001, you wrote: >Easiest way to find out is to ask Henry, as I'm now doing... What >say you Henry, Is this tongue-in-cheek? Even this avenue gives >Henry the luxury of being able to answer that question after the >fact. Of course. As I said earlier irony seems to be more difficult to recognize these days. Too bad. Along with hubris and the occasional bout of NYC-inspired sarcasm, I think irony is a necessary part of intelligent discourse. >I can understand Henry not being in favor of commercial ads on >any photo list. Ads on a list give each poster the same exposure >as those from the giant marketer. That's not really my issue. My issue is that there are PLENTY of places to sell stuff, eBay & rec.photo.marketplace.medium-format coming immediately to mind. Of all the digests to which I subscribe (and there are several, although not the LUG) none permits commercial posts, nor any post referencing eBay-listed items. IMHO the original decision was unfortunate and my comment at the end of the post which initiated THIS thread was that if care is not taken, this digest will become nothing more than a copy of the Shutterbug classifieds, and not the resource for useful information it has been heretofore. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:34:12 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 70mm film cassette loader? Message-ID: <3ADF0573.EC0723DB@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Austin Franklin wrote: > > Does anyone know of a source for a 70mm cassette (the 15' kind used in the > 70 backs) loader? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html mine is an Alden 70 70mm Bulk Film Daylight Loader which i got from B&H for around a hundred bucks about ten years ago. Mark Rabiner to be continued.... Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:47:54 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E9lix_L=F3pez_de_Maturana?= To: Subject: RE: Henry Posner Message-ID: <006c01c0c8e8$1b8d8040$ac640ed4@fmaturanainicia> On 18 Apr 2001, Jim Brick wrote, at least in part: > Slow down Rich. Henry is a long time and respected member of this > list. His statement to Dan was surely tongue-in-cheek as Henry does > have a good sense of humor. I'm sure the entire list, other than > you, took it in this light. You should try re-reading his post in > that light. Which is the "true" reason for the Mr.Posner presence in this list, and by the way in Canon, Nikon, Contax, Bronica and other lists?: marketing. He is not here as a user but as a seller. But sellers contact you generally with good manners and, as far as I am a member of all mentioned lists, I know he is well known as a true pro member with a lot of experience, and, besides, a rude man. In fact he is gone from Leica list, to whose members he does not deserve a great respect. I do not mind to have him in any list but do remember that his final aim is not to help but to sell. I shall never allow a seller to have a rude manner with me. And I do not mind if the list owner allows him to stand here or not. Kind regards Félix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:21:17 -0500 From: "Robert Meier" To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <00b101c0c8ec$c460f720$678be23f@jbsajtpj> "his final aim is not to help but to sell" Selling us what we are looking for and need IS helping us. I think Posner's postings are extremely useful and welcome. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:31:57 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: Henry Posner Message-ID: > I think > Posner's postings are extremely useful and welcome. I absolutely agree, and can't imagine anyone would believe any differently. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:34:46 -0700 From: Paul Clark To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Henry Posner's THREATS Message-ID: <4151A205129ED3119BEF009027D5EBA718EBA8@BDDB2> Thanks for showing your true colors, Rich Pinto. Now that I know what kind of person you are, I will immediately delete your posts without reading them. -----Original Message----- From: Photovilla@aol.com [mailto:Photovilla@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:05 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Henry Posner's THREATS <> I hope the list administrator reads this THREAT and bans YOU from the list instead. BTW, I believe the rule is posting on Friday only...so you are in violation besides being aggressive and rude. Keep showing your true colors please! cheers, Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:40:53 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: Henry Posner's THREATS Message-ID: > > Thanks for showing your true colors, Rich Pinto. Now that I know what kind > of person you are, I will immediately delete your posts without reading > them. That's uncalled for. That's doing the same as Rich jumping to conclusions about Henry. I don't believe Rich has been on this list long, and as such, didn't pick up on Henry's sarcasm. Give him the benefit of the doubt, my guess is he will probably post an apology. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:48:39 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: 70mm film cassette loader? Message-ID: > mine is an Alden 70 70mm Bulk Film Daylight Loader which i got > from B&H for > around a hundred bucks about ten years ago. Thank you very much, Mark! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:12:28 -0400 From: "LEO WOLK" To: , Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <01c0c8f3$e97a7a20$6465570c@fofyplfq> I can see we'll have to STEELE ourselves against another round of puns! In the past I-BEAM when Paolo sends these, Now I think he's just testing our METAL (mettle). Leo. -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Pignatelli To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: RE: Henry Posner >Irony is not for rusticates? > >Paolo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:59:36 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: "'LEO WOLK'" , Subject: RE: Henry Posner Message-ID: <000401c0c8fa$7f100770$6401a8c0@paolopent> Things around here are sure getting serious, sure sometimes one's ox gets gored, but here the oxides. I'll just file it away to experience, knowing how mercurial some people are. Actually, I wish they would scrap it, but if our conductor does not object, I'll just turn a tin ear to the whole affair. Paolo -----Original Message----- From: LEO WOLK [mailto:bigleo@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:12 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net; PaoloPignatelli@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Henry Posner I can see we'll have to STEELE ourselves against another round of puns! In the past I-BEAM when Paolo sends these, Now I think he's just testing our METAL (mettle). Leo. -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Pignatelli To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: RE: Henry Posner >Irony is not for rusticates? > >Paolo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:14:03 +0900 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: List Sales Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:56:19 -0400, Peter Klosky wrote: > Yes, you have a point that a "12 back" as not an "A12". The 12 back usage > involves using the markings on the paper backing. I have owned a "12 back", > and found it excellent. I did abandon it in favor of a new A12, but only > due to the age and that fact that I had two and only use one. All my backs are 12's. Never missed having the A12s. The inconvenience of the few extra seconds it takes to load film into a 12 is more than offset by cost: I can get about 3 12 backs for what 1 A12 costs (all used, of course), and as a commercial photographer, more backs is better. > > > From: Peter Klosky > > > Anne, > > > Henry said he had one. $100 is a great price. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > 12 back 8+ $100.00 > > > > > > > Hi Peter and Anne, > > > > Only thing to find out is if it's an A12 or a C12 back. > > There is a difference and I think Anne would prefer the A12 :-) > > > > Eduard. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:29:17 +0900 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:26:35 +0200, Michael Buchstaller wrote: > Hello HUG, > > i am in the process of building a simple pinhole camera. But for > the convenience of being able to make multiple exposures without > having to disassemble the camera in total dark to change film, > i want to put my 12 back to it. Not an A12, because i want to advance the > film with the knob on the right side and see in the peephole that i have > reached the next frame. > > Now my question: how can i fasten the back to a piece of metal ? > Is something like an international back for LF view cameras that takes > the 12 magazine for cheap ? > I do not have a milling machine, so i will have difficulties in making such an > adapter plate myself (with all the hooks and notches) > > Any ideas ? How about this: use a working 500C body and attach the pinhole plate to the front. (I read somewhere that a company made pinhole plates that mounted to different cameras.) You'll have a pinhole camera with reflex viewing. Or if that doesn't work, how about just buying the back plate of a 500C series camera -- the part the film back attaches to -- and attaching your pinhole box to the other side. Or maybe you can find a "parts only" 500C and cannibalize it for the back plate. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:53:25 -0400 From: "LEO WOLK" To: "Paolo Pignatelli" , Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <01c0c902$039cd020$8165570c@fofyplfq> WELD-ON, Paolo! Your retort shows alot of BRASS. Again, you've GALVANIZED us with your comments. But we should probably CAN it, before the SHEAR volume of these messages causes out host to put a BRAKE on it, and FOILS our fun! Leo. -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Pignatelli To: 'LEO WOLK' ; hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: RE: Henry Posner >Things around here are sure getting serious, sure sometimes one's ox >gets gored, but here the oxides. I'll just file it away to experience, >knowing how mercurial some people are. Actually, I wish they would >scrap it, but if our conductor does not object, I'll just turn a tin ear >to the whole affair. > >Paolo > >-----Original Message----- >From: LEO WOLK [mailto:bigleo@worldnet.att.net] >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:12 PM >To: hasselblad@kelvin.net; PaoloPignatelli@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Henry Posner > >I can see we'll have to STEELE ourselves against another round of puns! >In the past I-BEAM when Paolo sends these, >Now I think he's just testing our METAL (mettle). > >Leo. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paolo Pignatelli >To: hasselblad@kelvin.net >Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:24 AM >Subject: RE: Henry Posner > > >>Irony is not for rusticates? >> >>Paolo > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing >list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's >subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use >text mode only. > >To change your subscription status, go to: >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at >http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:01:18 -0700 From: Roger Beamon To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: Henry Posner's THREATS Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010419115431.009ee0c0@pop.dakotacom.net> At 12:40 PM 4/19/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Give him the benefit of the doubt, my guess is he will probably post an >apology. Will Henry post an apology for his "irony" that Rich, I, and many others, I'm sure, didn't pick up? And, I have to wonder about Dan who was chastised for losing his senses. Wonder if Dan caught the "irony". I said I was done, but this kind of condeming attitude toward only one of the participants is anathema to me! -- Roger Beamon, List-Owner The LEG (Leica Enthusiasts Mailing List) http://www.topica.com/lists/leica ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:38:04 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Message-ID: <018801c0c908$458d8dc0$7bebf1c3@qnu350> Patrick Bartek wrote: > [...] Or if that doesn't work, how about just buying the > back plate of a 500C series camera -- the part the film back > attaches to -- and attaching your pinhole box to the other side. Or > maybe you can find a "parts only" 500C and cannibalize it for the back > plate. Will not work. The back plate is just that, the back plate. You'll need the magazine hooks as well. The upper magazine hooks are a separate part, attached to different parts of the camera in different models, to the back plate itself in some. So they will perhaps not be a problem. The lower hooks however are part of the support plate underneath the tripod slide, or even two separate parts, riveted to the camera shell. Ordering the support plate, or cannibalizing an old 500 C, will still mean some additional machining is necessary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:06:03 -0700 From: "Lisa Mitchell" To: "Hasselblad group" Subject: portrait business--where to start Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0C8D1.7D2D1340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all-- I hope this is an interesting question that you experts can really sink = your teeth into. I am just starting out in the world of portrait = photography--was using 35mm--now Hassy. I see an incredible difference = in my images--so rich and more alive. 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I hope this is an interesting question = that you=20 experts can really sink your teeth into.  I am just starting out in = the=20 world of portrait photography--was using 35mm--now Hassy.  I see an = incredible difference in my images--so rich and more alive.  Now, I = need to=20 finance some of my meanderings and would like to go out on a limb and = start=20 marketing myself as a portrait photographer.
Yes, Yes--I know that I need to be = trained and very=20 careful, etc.  I'll certainly stay away from weddings!!  But, = I have=20 made some beautiful portraits and feel, in many cases, that my images = are much=20 better than some of the established photographers in my area.  I do = have a=20 handful of unofficial clients and have completed some great=20 classes. (I really should know as I have been an active consumer = for the=20 past 15 years).
So--I have ideas, but don't know where = to=20 start--can any of you help?
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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0C8D1.7D2D1340-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:26:14 -0300 From: Syed Noor Hossain To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: > On 18 Apr 2001, Jim Brick wrote, at least in part: >=20 >> Slow down Rich. Henry is a long time and respected member of this >> list. His statement to Dan was surely tongue-in-cheek as Henry does >> have a good sense of humor. I'm sure the entire list, other than >> you, took it in this light. You should try re-reading his post in >> that light. >=20 > Which is the "true" reason for the Mr.Posner presence in this list, and b= y > the way in Canon, Nikon, Contax, Bronica and other lists?: marketing. He = is > not here as a user but as a seller. But sellers contact you generally wit= h > good manners and, as far as I am a member of all mentioned lists, I know= he > is well known as a true pro member with a lot of experience, and, besides= , > a rude man. In fact he is gone from Leica list, to whose members he does > not deserve a great respect. I do not mind to have him in any list but do > remember that his final aim is not to help but to sell. I shall never al= low > a seller to have a rude manner with me. And I do not mind if the list own= er > allows him to stand here or not. >=20 > Kind regards >=20 > F=E9lix > I was keeping silent but I have decided to join this fray. I find it is NOT Henry who was rude but those who responded angrily were. Every one should have some sense of humor to understand Henry. By the same token, I would like to say that we some times get less response to serious queries than on matters which are not really so important as to drag on and on. I joined this group because there are some remarkable professionals in HUG whose knowledge and experience I admire and preserve their comments in my file. I would request Dan to put an end to this flimsy Henry Posner discussion further. Syed=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Inter= net, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in = no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliate= s. >=20 > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use t= ext > mode only. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.h= tml >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:21:36 -0500 From: "Waldo Berry" To: Subject: Re: portrait business--where to start Message-ID: I was in your shoes many moons ago. I started by reading lots of = portriat books. Some are a waste others are really good. Videos are an = even better teacher. The ultimate is hands on classes. In my area they = have Wicher 1 & 2 portrait and lighting classes. There is a good hand = metering book you should get also. Lights will be another issue. When = your starting price is everything, basic lighting requires a main, fill, = background and hair. A reflector can fill the roll of a fill. Lastly = posing and compisition books or classes will round you out. One book you = might try is Wildis, the Ultimate Image. The other is "The Portrait", = and then the metering book. Once you get rolling, you'll be okay for = most standard portrait stuff. Once you want the really specialized high = key specialized or low key rembrant looks, you'll need to work towards it = . My two cents waldo=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:09:43 +0200 From: "Magnus Lirell" To: Subject: RE: Henry Posner's THREATS Message-ID: Personally I couldn't care less as to whether or not it was irony. If it was irony, well then I didn't get it, but I sure as h-ll didn't see it as a "threat". I do however see it as a response to Rich's (photovilla@aol.com, and also the originator of this whole THREAT thread) 10kb advertisement mail that we received four days earlier, and if that was the irony of it all then so be it. Copied from hasselblad guidelines..... GUIDELINES FOR THE HASSELBLAD USERS GROUP MAILING LIST PLEASE KEEP FOR FUTURE REFERENCE It is not acceptable for people to use the list to conduct a business in the sale of camera equipment. However, it is acceptable for individuals occasionally to post advertisements to sell cameras, and very much acceptable for individuals to post requests to buy cameras. Hasselblad dealers are very much welcome to share their expertise, as long as they do not use the list to conduct business. Also, if a deal is initiated between two individuals subject to the constraints of this paragraph, final details of the transaction must be conducted off-list. Just my two cents... /Magnus -----Original Message----- From: Roger Beamon [mailto:roger@beamon.org] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:01 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: Henry Posner's THREATS Will Henry post an apology for his "irony" that Rich, I, and many others, I'm sure, didn't pick up? And, I have to wonder about Dan who was chastised for losing his senses. Wonder if Dan caught the "irony". I said I was done, but this kind of condeming attitude toward only one of the participants is anathema to me! -- Roger Beamon, List-Owner The LEG (Leica Enthusiasts Mailing List) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:36:02 -0700 From: John Oppenheimer To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: hasselblad V1 #1201 Message-ID: I agree, let's move on to better things, ie. photography and the art of Hasselblad, ok? John Oppenheimer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:54:17 EDT From: BLADHASS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: portrait business--where to start Message-ID: <82.9e9a700.2810f0c9@aol.com> --part1_82.9e9a700.2810f0c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So--I have ideas, but don't know where to start--can any of you help? > Brochures/Postcards/shows/coldcalls/preschools??????? > Thanks so much, > Lisa Mitchell > Lisa First thing is have a very good lab. Photographers are nothing without the support of a good lab. Have you thought about getting a part-time/full time job at a portrait studio, such as JC Penney, Glamor Shots, etc. Maybe helping a local portrait studio behind the scenes. When I was still in high school Dean Collins had a series called Finelight and it was full of great info. Today Ed Pierce produces a video called Photo Vision and it features many helpful topics for portrait and wedding photography. I also subscribe to the PPA magazine, Rangefinder, and Studio Photography and Design magazine. Workshops are fun, but do cost money. I would make a goal of finding pictures you like and try to recreate them on your own. If you live in an area with a large population of high school seniors you can do a little ad work that will have them wanting to try something different for senior pictures. Seniors are a great place to learn and be creative with little expense. The cost of going too a local park is free, unless you cut down a tree that is in the way. So subscribe to the right magazines, (best way to see current trends), find a good lab, and give the senior market and maybe children's market a try for a start. Remember adults do not like camera's, but believe me seniors girls love camera's. The other day I spent 3 hours photographing 2 girls that came into the studio togather, over $900 in sales. Peter Peterson Senior Portrait Photographer Seattle, WA --part1_82.9e9a700.2810f0c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
So--I have ideas, but don't know where to start--can any of you help?
Brochures/Postcards/shows/coldcalls/preschools???????
Thanks so much,
Lisa Mitchell


Lisa

      First thing is have a very good lab. Photographers are nothing without
the support of a good lab. Have you thought about getting a part-time/full
time job at a portrait studio, such as JC Penney, Glamor Shots, etc. Maybe
helping a local portrait studio behind the scenes.
      When I was still in high school Dean Collins had a series called
Finelight and it was full of great info. Today Ed Pierce produces a video
called Photo Vision and it  features many helpful topics for portrait and
wedding photography. I also subscribe to the PPA magazine, Rangefinder, and
Studio Photography and Design magazine.  
         Workshops are fun, but do cost money. I would make a goal of
finding pictures you like and try to recreate them on your own. If you live
in an area with a large population of high school seniors you can do a little
ad work that will have them wanting to try something different for senior
pictures. Seniors are a great place to learn and be creative with little
expense. The cost of going too a local park is free, unless you cut down a
tree that is in the way.
      So subscribe to the right magazines, (best way to see current trends),
find a good lab, and give the senior market and maybe children's market a try
for a start. Remember adults do not like camera's, but believe me seniors
girls love camera's. The other day I spent 3 hours photographing 2 girls that
came into the studio togather, over $900 in sales.
Peter Peterson
Senior Portrait Photographer
Seattle, WA --part1_82.9e9a700.2810f0c9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:00:13 -0700 From: David Gerhardt To: Subject: Re: Use of Hasselblad 200 Series Cameras Replaces Viagra for.... Message-ID: {OK- Someone said we would get off this (below) posting topic if a more interesting topic was started. This is my humble attempt to get a more interesting (or at least DIFFERENT!) series of "Re:" threads. Heck, I'd even be willing to hear about the relative qualitative "bokkeh" (spell?) between the 40CFe and SWC... ;-) } ~ David Gerhardt email: davidgerhardt@mindspring.com > From: "Roger Beamon" > Reply-To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:02:49 -0700 > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: Henry Posner > > On 19 Apr 2001, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote, at least in part: > > > > We uns out here in the sticks tend to read pretty literally, Henry, > and your words were what were read, not your sophisticated > attempt at irony. 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