hasselblad Sat, 21 Apr 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1203 In this issue: Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Re:Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera? Re: Henry's Comments and Further Ramblings Re: List Sales Re: portrait business--where to start Re: portrait business--where to start Re: Henry Posner Movie Quotes Trivia Question Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? The last word! (re: ads, that is) FS: D-40 flash, Snap Lock Flash Bracket, Polaroid 100 back, 100/2 F lense, 2000FC/W body... Re: Movie Quotes Trivia Question Re: Movie Quotes Trivia Question Wanted to buy Re: Henry's Comments and Further Ramblings For Sale 4/6/01 Re: Henry Posner IRONing out the netiquette / was RE: Henry Posner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:22:09 +0200 From: Michael Buchstaller To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Message-ID: <3gvvdtg8k2dqlhuh36f8hqhq3e64auda4k@4ax.com> >How about this: use a working 500C body and attach the pinhole plate >to the front.=20 I tried exactly that with my Bronica ECTL. But this way i can get only = relatively long focal lengths (approx. 120 mm on the Bronica, maybe a little less = with my 500CM). But i want a wide angle with focal lengths in the range of 15...30 mm, so= i decided to build a dedicated box for this purpose. > You'll have a pinhole camera with reflex viewing.=20 Yes, but due to it=B4s nature the viewfinder image is very dark. With the= Bronica test setup, i had to use a 5 KW spot 1 m away from the subject to see anything= in the mirror. So i think a simple "Sports finder" type will make more sense for= me. > Or >maybe you can find a "parts only" 500C and cannibalize it for the back >plate. Here i think it would be cheaper to find an inexpensive (Kiev) back and = put it permanently with some screws to my pinhole camera.... -Michael Buchstaller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:25:25 +0200 From: Michael Buchstaller To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Message-ID: <1uvvdtg6aobv5odtu6p7td9kdbgnnk73i9@4ax.com> >Will not work. >The back plate is just that, the back plate. You'll need the magazine = hooks >as well. I could make those hooks with a file and some work. But i do not have any clue on how to attach them to the back plate of my "Camera". >The lower hooks however are part of the support plate underneath the = tripod >slide, or even two separate parts, riveted to the camera shell. Ordering= the >support plate, or cannibalizing an old 500 C, will still mean some >additional machining is necessary. Sounds very difficult. I doubt that this is worth the effort. But the idea of using an ugly old back, drilling some holes in it and putting it on the back plate if my "Pinhole Superwide" seems to be the = most easy (and inexpensive) way to do what i want. -Michael Buchstaller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:23:31 +0200 From: Lars =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4gglund?= To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re:Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera? Message-ID: <3AE01C33.7B45E43E@ljusdal.se> Why not make a simple box of plywood, and attach the back with rubber bands. It should not be too difficult to make a light trap on the outside of the back and you can always use black tape. Lars ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:03:28 -0500 From: Dennis Schmidt To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: Re: Henry's Comments and Further Ramblings Message-ID: <01C0C968.018D67C0.dschmidt@hcad.org> I side with Mr. Posner on the issue of ads on the HUG. It is not hard to find a place to buy something. It is very difficult to find an information only source. Dan, I believe you made the wrong decision but I hope we can live with it. We have whipped this poor nag pretty well. Freedom of speech is wonderful. A few weeks ago someone posted information on replacing the Titanium shutters on the 2000 series with cloth shutters like on the 200 series. I contacted the technician in Sweden and got mixed results. Yes the Titanium shutters can be replaced but their weight and size reduces the shutter speed from 1/2000 to something that would have to be determined. The cloth shutters also had to be custom made. Maybe this is why the newer focal planes only have 1/1000 shutters speeds except for the 205. The cost was about $400 in Sweden but with international shipping, customs, and duties the cost went to $700. That essentially makes it uneconomic to make the conversion at least from Sweden. The alternative is to be careful with the 2000FC and convert it to a 500 camera once the shutter breaks. Dick Werner has finished his repair manual for bodies but it omits the focal plane shutters. Dick, is there any possibility of getting a repair manual for Titanium shutters? I am assuming that Titanium shutters are still available from Hasselblad. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:40:04 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: List Sales Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010420083938.00c49550@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:31 AM 04/20/2001, you wrote: > I'm looking for a lab that does good work for low quantity, >non-commercial accounts. Try A&I at www.aandi.com and mention B&H if you do. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:08:33 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: portrait business--where to start Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010420090414.00c601e0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:31 AM 04/20/2001, you wrote: >So--I have ideas, but don't know where to start--can any of you help? >Brochures/Postcards/shows/coldcalls/preschools??????? Depends on the type of trade you hope to attract. One young but talented fellow in my old neighborhood arranged to have sample 16x20 prints hang in a local bank for a month. Kept him busy for half a year. I once traded photography for service at a local hair salon. The manager contacted customers he wanted to feature (including conveniently several local high school kids) and I did the shots and gave him the prints at cost i return for a year of free service (once a month) from him for my wife & me plus all the referrals from people who liked the photography. You'll get fewer but better replies from a more focused campaign than from cold calling or post cards and the pre-school route is the road to "Xerox" photography favored by the summer camp and school picture crowd (and I was a school picture guy for several years so there's no veiled disrespect there). -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:19:13 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: portrait business--where to start Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010420091031.00c48650@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:31 AM 04/20/2001, you wrote: >I started by reading lots of portriat books. Some are a waste others are >really good. Videos are an even better teacher. The ultimate is hands >on classes. In my area they have Wicher 1 & 2 portrait and lighting >classes. There is a good hand metering book you should get also. Good points. I suggest: Portrait book: Kodak #O-24 The Portrait - Professional Techniques and Practices -- Kodak # E1021443 and, Amphoto's50 Portrait Lighting Techniques for Pictures That Sell. The hand metering book is The Hand Exposure Meter Book by Martin Silverman with Bob Shell and Jim Zuckerman. For classes in traditional portraiture, try your local or state chapter of the Professional Photographers of America. (http://www.ppa.com/) -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:28:20 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010420083848.00b5f960@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:31 AM 04/20/2001, you wrote: >We uns out here in the sticks tend to read pretty literally, Henry, >and your words were what were read, not your sophisticated >attempt at irony. Sorry we can't keep up. ROFL. >Which is the "true" reason for the Mr.Posner presence in this list, and by >the way in Canon, Nikon, Contax, Bronica and other lists?: marketing. He is >not here as a user but as a seller Isn't it embarrassing to be so sure and so wrong? It happens I AM a Nikon, Bronica & Hasselblad user and was INVITED to joint the Canon and Contax lists by members there. I've received similar solicitations from LUG and Minolta Digest members too, but frankly there're only so many hours in a day. Further, I shot full time for 20+ years before coming to B&H and continue to accept around one professional assignment per month. As for marketing, I think that in the main, my contributions have been useful and informative and are generally restricted to technical replies to specific questions. The sole exception was the singular post which initiated THIS too-long and now-comedic thread. >In fact he is gone from Leica list, to whose members he does >not deserve a great respect. This is nonsense and factually incorrect. Due to time constraints I have NEVER been a member of LUG or LEG or of any other Leica-specific list or digest; this in spite of the fact that I own a small amount of Leica-M equipment, and have in the past been solicited to participate by list members. >his final aim is not to help There's those "facts" again. >I think Posner's postings are extremely useful and welcome. Thank you. >Every one should have some sense of humor to understand Henry. I will tell my wife. :-) Personally, I think every one should have some sense of humor just in general. >It is not acceptable for people to use the list to conduct a business in >the sale of camera equipment. I LOVE this rule and heartily wish the list would go BACK to this rule, but there was a vote and this rule has been superceded and here we are. (What did Buckaroo Banzai say -- "No matter where you go, there you are." or words to that effect). -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:46:29 -0400 From: "Peter Klosky" To: Subject: Movie Quotes Trivia Question Message-ID: <003001c0c9a0$4da56850$230a210a@dulles> > (What did Buckaroo Banzai say -- "No matter where you go, there you are." or words to that effect). That quote sounds right. Anyone remember the quote when the fashion photographer addresses the group in "Pret a Porter?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:25:22 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: buchi@takeonetech.de, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Adapting a 12 Back to a pinhole camera ? Message-ID: <4.1.20010420071847.01fc5ef0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> What you need to do is find a trashed Super Wide. Trashed meaning that the body is intact but the lens is either gone or damaged. Use an old Hasselblad SW body cap as the mount for your pinhole. The problem with using a mirrored body is that it puts the pinhole too far away from the film. Pinholes have short focal lengths and work on the diffraction principle. Let me warn you. It makes no difference what kind of camera you use for pinhole photography. A SW, Leica M, or an oatmeal box. The resulting photographs will look like pinhole photographs. There is no escape. Jim At 10:26 AM 4/19/01 +0200, Michael Buchstaller wrote: >Hello HUG, > >i am in the process of building a simple pinhole camera. But for >the convenience of being able to make multiple exposures without >having to disassemble the camera in total dark to change film, >i want to put my 12 back to it. Not an A12, because i want to advance the >film with the knob on the right side and see in the peephole that i have >reached the next frame. > >Now my question: how can i fasten the back to a piece of metal ? >Is something like an international back for LF view cameras that takes >the 12 magazine for cheap ? >I do not have a milling machine, so i will have difficulties in making such an >adapter plate myself (with all the hooks and notches) > >Any ideas ? > > >-Michael Buchstaller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:35:37 -0700 From: "Roger Beamon" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: The last word! (re: ads, that is) Message-ID: <3ADFE6C9.12495.68A1AE@localhost> The operative point, imo, is that all the nay saying about commercial ads on this list are pure conjecture and fear on the part of those who express them. In point of fact, we have evidence from three other equipment specific photographic lists, with subscriber rosters as large or larger than this one, indicating that all is well with commercial ads. No moaning about it, no mass resignations from the lists, only positive comments and readers exercising their prerogative to either read it or delete it! Kinda like an individual ad, eh? Worst case scenario: It happens as the nay sayers fear and/or predict. DAN WILL FIX IT! This is a mailing list, not a newsgroup, and Dan can and will do whatever is necessary. Hasselblad, Hasselblad, where art thou? -- Roger, List-Owner The LEG (Leica Enthusiasts Mailing List) http://www.topica.com/lists/leica ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:07:22 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: FS: D-40 flash, Snap Lock Flash Bracket, Polaroid 100 back, 100/2 F lense, 2000FC/W body... Message-ID: I have the following items for sale: D-40 flash #55105, EX+ with box and instructions, complete. Has minor surface markings, or would be LN. Works perfectly. $350 Snap Lock Flash Grip #45169 as new, in box w/ instructions, complete. $250 Polaroid 100 back #30198 SN ET (1996). EX+, w/ box and instructions. $275 100/2 F lense EX+, only wear is on shade and mounting flange. $1150 2000FC/W body w/WLF, body caps and acute-matte split/grid screen. EX/EX+ $850 all is plus actual shipping costs. 5 day return. Please email me off list at austin@darkroom.com if interested. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: R Barr To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Movie Quotes Trivia Question Message-ID: <6649141.987781798208.JavaMail.imail@swirly> >Anyone remember the quote when the fashion > photographer addresses the group in "Pret a Porter?" I don't remember the quote, but I remember the photographer shooting with a Minox and then showing everyone the 35mm negatives. Am I thinking of the right movie? _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:02:08 -0400 From: "Peter Klosky" To: Subject: Re: Movie Quotes Trivia Question Message-ID: <006901c0c9b3$426777e0$230a210a@dulles> Yes, that's right. He used a Minox, people stole his negs, etc. The scene I'm asking about is the one where he is doing a group shot of many fashion industry leaders. When he walks in, his assistants have already done the setup and Polaroids. Then he says, roughly, "We're doing a group picture, see. Close your eyes, you don't look so good. So open up for the camera, pretty's, and we take the picture. Here we go. (click)." Then he walks off. His total involvement in the group picture taking process, perhaps two minutes. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Barr" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Movie Quotes Trivia Question > >Anyone remember the quote when the fashion > > photographer addresses the group in "Pret a Porter?" > > I don't remember the quote, but I remember the photographer shooting with a > Minox and then showing everyone the 35mm negatives. Am I thinking of the > right movie? > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:31:40 -0700 From: "Joe Codispoti" To: Subject: Wanted to buy Message-ID: <015401c0c9b7$613cda30$c22aa2d1@joe> Would anyone have for sale a lens shade for a series 60, 80mm lens? Cosmetic condition not important. Please respond privately. Thanks. Joe Codispoti joecodi@thegrid.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:35:57 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: , Subject: Re: Henry's Comments and Further Ramblings Message-ID: <00b901c0c9dd$7a192ec0$6dcff1c3@qnu350> Dennis Schmidt wrote: > A few weeks ago someone posted information on replacing the Titanium > shutters on the 2000 series with cloth shutters like on the 200 series. I > contacted the technician in Sweden and got mixed results. Yes the Titanium > shutters can be replaced but their weight and size reduces the shutter > speed from 1/2000 to something that would have to be determined. The cloth > shutters also had to be custom made. Maybe this is why the newer focal > planes only have 1/1000 shutters speeds except for the 205. And the 203. They both have cloth shutters. The 201 F and 202 FA have cloth shutters too, but they only go up to 1/1000. So maybe the top speed is not a cloth vs metal issue? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:55:30 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: HUG Subject: For Sale 4/6/01 Message-ID: <4.1.20010420145447.03fdeb60@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> Hasselblad 150 CFi f/4.0 Sonnar, LN, used once, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, etc. USA warranty good until August 2002. $1800. Hasselblad CW Winder, remote, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, Mint, unregistered Hasselblad USA warranty, etc. $650. Leica 75/1.4 Summilux, Mint, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, etc., latest Solms version, still under USA Passport warranty. $1700 On everything... 10DRP (10 Day Return Privalege,) I pay FedEx to US locations. Jim Brick 408-970-2533 (work - week day 7am - 5pm) 408-247-0312 (home - all other times) jim@brick.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:43:16 -0400 From: "rboggio5" To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: <003301c0c9fc$0eac7a60$78e83fd0@oemcomputer> (What did Buckaroo Banzai say -- "No matter where you go, there you are." or > words to that effect). > Buckaroo Bonzai may have said that, Mr. John Bigbooty, but it originated with that great orator and Hall of Famer, Yogi Berra. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:24:18 -0000 From: "Martin Taureg" To: "Paolo Pignatelli" , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: IRONing out the netiquette / was RE: Henry Posner Message-ID: <3AE10B72.5852.4BA0D85@localhost> After having deleted some two dozens of messages on the 'deviation' of this list, may I humbly submit two constructive proposals to the listowner and the membership, that may help us to avoid further confrontations of the same type: 1) Referring to my earlier suggestion, I propose that heretofore not only - all messages relative to buying and selling be identified by a COMM (for commercial) in the subject line; but that further on - all messages that make use of irony or tongue-in-cheek remarks be identified by IRON or TiCh in the subject line, and so on. 2) That the listowner (or any other motivated member) may launch a _photographic_ competition on the subject which is so angrily disputed. Members could then turn their anger / humour / scorn / amusement into a creative project, and we would be back to photography instantly! To give just one example, how would you depict our admirable list owner fighting desperately against a constant assault of tons of HTML-saturated for-sale ads from photo dealers all over the place? That's not an easy one, I'd say. The contest is open! DISCLAIMER: This is a tongue-in-check contribution. Martin On 19 Apr 2001, at 11:25, Paolo Pignatelli wrote: > Irony is not for rusticates? > > Paolo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [mailto:henryp@bhphotovideo.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:42 AM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: Henry Posner > > At 03:29 AM 04/19/2001, you wrote: > >Easiest way to find out is to ask Henry, as I'm now doing... What > >say you Henry, Is this tongue-in-cheek? Even this avenue gives > >Henry the luxury of being able to answer that question after the > >fact. > > Of course. As I said earlier irony seems to be more difficult > to > recognize these days. Too bad. Along with hubris and the occasional bout > of > NYC-inspired sarcasm, I think irony is a necessary part of intelligent > discourse. > > >I can understand Henry not being in favor of commercial ads on > >any photo list. Ads on a list give each poster the same exposure > >as those from the giant marketer. > > That's not really my issue. My issue is that there are PLENTY > of > places to sell stuff, eBay & rec.photo.marketplace.medium-format coming > immediately to mind. Of all the digests to which I subscribe (and there > are > several, although not the LUG) none permits commercial posts, nor any > post > referencing eBay-listed items. IMHO the original decision was > unfortunate > and my comment at the end of the post which initiated THIS thread was > that > if care is not taken, this digest will become nothing more than a copy > of > the Shutterbug classifieds, and not the resource for useful information > it > has been heretofore. > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. 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