hasselblad Mon, 23 Apr 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1205 In this issue: RE: Magazine Film Clip? RE: Re: Henry Posner Re: Magazine Film Clip? Re: lenshood covers RE: Magazine Film Clip? Re: Henry Posner RE: Magazine Film Clip? Re: Magazine Film Clip? Lens shade In the rush, I forgot a couple of things A complaint, or no???????? (LONG) Re: A complaint, or no???????? (LONG) 20x shutter/aperture coupling? Best enlarging lens for Hasselblad and 6X7 Re: 20x shutter/aperture coupling? Re: Best enlarging lens for Hasselblad and 6X7 Patrick Flasch/FLS/IT/AJC/US is out of the office. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:57:41 +0200 From: "Eduard Crombie" To: Subject: RE: Magazine Film Clip? Message-ID: > I have a couple of older backs that it is easy to put the > film under the film clip however I have 2 newer backs that > the pressure plate is to tight against the clip to get > the film under the clip. Is there something I need > to know I don't? Normally, with the old and the new backs, turning the insert module's lock/unlock key opens/closes the gap between the pressure plate and the 'clip'. I hope we are talking about the same thing :-) Eduard. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:47:49 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E9lix_L=F3pez_de_Maturana?= To: Subject: RE: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: Mr Posner, "This is nonsense and factually incorrect. Due to time constraints I have NEVER been a member of LUG or LEG or of any other Leica-specific list or digest; this in spite of the fact that I own a small amount of Leica-M equipment, and have in the past been solicited to participate by list members." I remember when Stefano, italian member of Nikon list, was thrown out off the list when replying to some really hard emails you sent, mainly due to the mail's administrator weakness. He, Stefano, was wrong, but the estreme hardness of you replay lift up a flame where finally he, Stefano, was sent out.I sent him a italian email encouraging him not to lose faith in photographic world. Your contribution to the different list has been and is a very good one, you are a experimented photographer. It is the manner, the style, the hardness and almost bad manners than here and there you show in some replays. I am far of a young man and I am learning that web world is not specify courteous, but I think that a minimum of good manners had to be required not depending if our reply is right or not. Concerning LUG members, perhaps the proudest members of any list, I remember too your opinion plenty of scorn to them. "Isn't it embarrassing to be so sure and so wrong? It happens I AM a Nikon, Bronica & Hasselblad user and was INVITED to joint the Canon and Contax lists by members there. I've received similar solicitations from LUG and Minolta Digest members too, but frankly there're only so many hours in a day." If you are on the Web as a user, like everybody else, I supose you are sending the emails in your free time, from your home, but then why this signature : "regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com" I was not sending my emails like that Félix López de Maturana General Purchasing Manager Altos Hornos de Vizcaya,S.A. Bilbao Spain If you are sending all these emails from your office, as I supose, then you are in some way making your job. Marketing is the sum of activities involved in directing the flow of goods and services from producers to consumers (Britannica). In few words you are acting as some kind of seller, producing an interesting and usefull output for any member of these lists. But i all my long professional life as a buyer I've never found a rude seller, even in seller monopolistic situations, so my only request is: please follow helping everybody in the different lists but always with good manners. In last issue excellent french magazín Chasseur d'Images give a information reputating your firm in New York as outstanding. I've never been there as I`m a custommer of Keh. Everybody will expect that BH men will be outstanding too. Kind regards Félix Member of Medium Format, Hasselblad, Bronica, Nikon AF and MF, Canon, Leica, Contax list as a owner and user of related gear. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:55:49 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Magazine Film Clip? Message-ID: <000a01c0cb1a$dce8b3c0$a2e7f1c3@qnu350> Bradley Martin wrote: > I have a couple of older backs that it is easy to put the film under the > film clip however I have 2 newer backs that the pressure plate is to tight > against the clip to get the film under the clip. Is there something I need > to know I don't? No. The newer backs are like that (for quite a while now). You will have to turn the film holder key to unlock the clip, as per original instructions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:50:58 +0200 From: Per =?ISO-8859-1?B?1g==?=fverbeck To: Subject: Re: lenshood covers Message-ID: > Fr=E5n: Mark Rabiner > Datum: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:38:04 -0700 > Till: hasselblad@kelvin.net > =C4mne: lenshood covers >=20 > Mark Rabiner wrote: >=20 > I have a squre lenshood cover for my lenshood on my 150 C Sonnar. > I think it's third party. > Does anybody make them for the Lenshoods out now? > I want one for my 120 CFi macro and 80 cf. and 50 cf. lenses. >=20 Some years ago, Hasselblad=B4s own magazine had a tip on this problem: cut tw= o pieces of soft plastic foam, about 2 cm thick, to fit inside the front of the hood. Make two holes in one of them to make finger grips (like in a bowling ball...) and glue the flat sides of the pieces to each other, aligned, so you get a 2-ply cover. Push it in place, holes forward, into the shade; it will stay in place due to the elasticity of the foam. Use th= e holes as finger grips to get it out. Certainly not bulletproof, but will keep out rain, dust, and accidental fingers fine. Cheap, simple, won=B4t break if you drop it :-) Per Ofverbeck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:53:37 +0200 From: "Eduard Crombie" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: RE: Magazine Film Clip? Message-ID: > From: Q.G. de Bakker > > Bradley Martin wrote: > > > I have a couple of older backs that it is easy to put the > > film under the film clip however I have 2 newer backs that > > the pressure plate is to tight against the clip to get > > the film under the clip. Is there something I need > > to know I don't? > > No. The newer backs are like that (for quite a while now). > You will have to turn the film holder key to unlock > the clip, as per original instructions. Good afternoon Q.G., I was a bit puzzled by your reply to Bradley (because I have a C12 magazine from 1968 with key/clip coupling), so I did some reading up in Nordin's book. If his information is correct, this feature of coupled locking key and clip has always existed, even on the earliest magazines for the 1600F (i.e. the instruction card inserted in the clip, on newly sold magazines). So when you said "for quite a while now" you probably meant "it's always been like that" ;-) In that case there is something wrong with Bradley's older mags. Or am I wrong and have there been magazines without this feature ? Thanks. Eduard. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:57:50 -0300 From: Syed Noor Hossain To: Subject: Re: Henry Posner Message-ID: For God's sake take this quarrel out of the list. Syed > Mr Posner, >=20 > "This is nonsense and factually incorrect. Due to time constraints I have > NEVER been a member of LUG or LEG or of any other Leica-specific list or > digest; this in spite of the fact that I own a small amount of Leica-M > equipment, and have in the past been solicited to participate by list > members." >=20 > I remember when Stefano, italian member of Nikon list, was thrown out off > the list when replying to some really hard emails you sent, mainly due to > the mail's administrator weakness. He, Stefano, was wrong, but the estre= me > hardness of you replay lift up a flame where finally he, Stefano, was sen= t > out.I sent him a italian email encouraging him not to lose faith in > photographic world. Your contribution to the different list has been and = is > a very good one, you are a experimented photographer. It is the manner, t= he > style, the hardness and almost bad manners than here and there you show = in > some replays. I am far of a young man and I am learning that web world is > not specify courteous, but I think that a minimum of good manners had to = be > required not depending if our reply is right or not. Concerning LUG membe= rs, > perhaps the proudest members of any list, I remember too your opinion ple= nty > of scorn to them. >=20 > "Isn't it embarrassing to be so sure and so wrong? It happens I AM a Niko= n, > Bronica & Hasselblad user and was INVITED to joint the Canon and Contax > lists by members there. I've received similar solicitations from LUG and > Minolta Digest members too, but frankly there're only so many hours in a > day." >=20 > If you are on the Web as a user, like everybody else, I supose you are > sending the emails in your free time, from your home, but then why this > signature : >=20 > "regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com" >=20 > I was not sending my emails like that >=20 > F=E9lix L=F3pez de Maturana > General Purchasing Manager > Altos Hornos de Vizcaya,S.A. > Bilbao > Spain >=20 > If you are sending all these emails from your office, as I supose, then y= ou > are in some way making your job. Marketing is the sum of activities invol= ved > in directing the flow of goods and services from producers to consumers > (Britannica). In few words you are acting as some kind of seller, produc= ing > an interesting and usefull output for any member of these lists. But i al= l > my long professional life as a buyer I've never found a rude seller, even= in > seller monopolistic situations, so my only request is: please follow > helping everybody in the different lists but always with good manners. In > last issue excellent french magaz=EDn Chasseur d'Images give a information > reputating your firm in New York as outstanding. I've never been there as > I`m a custommer of Keh. Everybody will expect that BH men will be > outstanding too. >=20 > Kind regards >=20 > F=E9lix > Member of Medium Format, Hasselblad, Bronica, Nikon AF and MF, Canon, Lei= ca, > Contax list as a owner and user of related gear. >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Inter= net, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in = no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliate= s. >=20 > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use t= ext > mode only. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.h= tml >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:40:53 -0500 From: Bradley Martin To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: Magazine Film Clip? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010422083705.047a0450@pop.ipa.net> I guess I was not understanding the way the clip worked. It is possible to get the paper under the older clips with out releasing it but much easier when it is released. I guess I didn't understand the A12 instruction sheet or study the back long enough because I wasn't tuning the key back to release the clip. Thanks. At 01:53 PM 4/22/01 +0200, you wrote: >In that case there is something wrong with Bradley's older mags. >Or am I wrong and have there been magazines without this feature ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:59:55 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: , "Eduard Crombie" Subject: Re: Magazine Film Clip? Message-ID: <00b601c0cb34$844f47a0$83f0f1c3@qnu350> Eduard Crombie wrote: > Good afternoon Q.G., Hello. How is sunny Belgium today? > I was a bit puzzled by your reply to Bradley (because I have a C12 > magazine from 1968 with key/clip coupling), so I did some reading up in > Nordin's book. > If his information is correct, this feature of coupled locking key and > clip has always existed, even on the earliest magazines for the 1600F > (i.e. the instruction card inserted in the clip, on newly sold > magazines). > So when you said "for quite a while now" you probably meant "it's always > been like that" ;-) > In that case there is something wrong with Bradley's older mags. > Or am I wrong and have there been magazines without this feature ? > Thanks. Indeed all magazined have this feature. But with older magazines it is quite easy to push the paper leader in between the pressure plate and retaining clip without first unlocking the clip using the key, making loading a bit more convenient. There's nothing wrong with these magazines, it's just the way they were made. Newer magazines (recognisable by, among other things, the new style insert, having one spool locking arm instead of two separate arms) however are a bit tighter, enough so to make this very difficult or even impossible to do, so you will have to do it the way it was originally intended, i.e. use the key. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:58:45 -0400 From: Anne B To: "hasselblad@kelvin.net" Subject: Lens shade Message-ID: <3AE2FFA7.2F06BDFB@strato.net> I found a lens shade last year on eBay for $10. It is square with the Hasselblad trademark and the word "Sweden". Also "80", which, I assume, is for the 80mm lens. It's in very good condition. This might be an original and not aftermarket. I also had dealings with a company for Hassie filters, etc., and they sell things like lens shades. I can look up the source if anyone is interested. That is, if I still have the url. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:47:55 -0700 From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: In the rush, I forgot a couple of things Message-ID: <3AE3275B.627F90F6@worldnet.att.net> In the rush to get the body manual out, I omitted telling you some of what is covered in the manual. Some of the items covered in both the body repair manual and the magazine repair manual are shown here.... http://home.att.net/~blackbird711/manual.txt From this page you will be able to get a birds eye view of either manual, and pricing info. Sorry for the omissions. -- _______________________________ Dick Werner 112 South Brighton St. Burbank, Ca., 91506 (818) 845-4667 helenadick@worldnet.att.net _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:07:27 -0700 From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: A complaint, or no???????? (LONG) Message-ID: <3AE339FF.468CBAAF@worldnet.att.net> Yesterday, a fellow posted a message in the HUG group. I read it a couple of times and could not tell you if he was complaining or not complaining about a watermark that I have put on the manuals that runs down the center of the page. The watermark says "copyrighted material-do not copy". This watermark was put here for a purpose. First let me say that the watermark is printed in a lighter shade such that you can easily read right through it. The reason it was put there, is that it will prevent people from making Xerox copies, without losing a lot of information. It had to be done, as there are too many people out there in this world, that can only copy someone else's work, and not generate their own. It is a sad state, but this is the way that it is. I would much prefer to be able to just email these manuals, but we all know that the email would be all over the world within 5 minutes. Before printing the first magazine repair manual, I did a lot of research on papers that could be used to prevent people from making copies. It boiled down to 2 choices. A very dark red paper, and a medium dark textured green paper. Black ink was much easier to read on the green so that is the way I went. I started to get a few comments about it, so I had to go another way. The watermark was the only way I could go. I have already had threats from one person in the HUG group, saying that if I do not put this material on Video, he will copy the material and put it on Video and steal all my business. These are the kind of A...Holes that one has to deal with. His only problem will be that my attorney will probably take everything he owns. I have had many things that I generated for Hasselblad stolen from me in the past, and this time I am prepared to put up a fight. The last item that was taken from me is the 9 Volt battery device that will power an EL/ELM/ELX. Christopher Glenn, a local photographer, came and bought one of these devices from me. He immediately saw how great they worked, so copied them and put them up on a web page. Take a look at Ebay. You will now see them all over the place. None of these people came up with the idea, I did. It took a lot of thought. Once I had it, I then had to make it simple. All this, then it is stolen. I guess you have to feel sorry for these people, as God gave all of us a brain to think and create with, not to steal and plagiarize. Thanks for listening, -- _______________________________ Dick Werner 112 South Brighton St. Burbank, Ca., 91506 (818) 845-4667 helenadick@worldnet.att.net _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:20:11 EDT From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: A complaint, or no???????? (LONG) Message-ID: <84.14c6532f.2814a50b@aol.com> --part1_84.14c6532f.2814a50b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, I agree with you that it's a shame these people don't use their own creativity but instead steal from others. That's especially true with the printed materials. I'm not a big believer in taking people to court, but if someone stole something I wrote, I'd make sure they pay for it big time. Very well said, and best wishes with your creative efforts in the future. Cordially, Bob Rodriguez --part1_84.14c6532f.2814a50b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick,
I agree with you that it's a shame these people don't use their own
creativity but instead steal from others.  That's especially true with the
printed materials.  I'm
not a big believer in taking people to court, but if someone stole something I
wrote, I'd make sure they pay for it big time.
Very well said, and best wishes with your creative efforts in the future.
Cordially,
Bob Rodriguez --part1_84.14c6532f.2814a50b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:28:44 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: 20x shutter/aperture coupling? Message-ID: The 205FCC doesn't couple the shutter/aperture ring, like my 2003 and 2000 do... I am curious if the other 20x models don't couple either? It's kind of annoying, when in manual mode, not to have them couple! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:32:43 EDT From: Digiratidoc@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Best enlarging lens for Hasselblad and 6X7 Message-ID: <71.cc705ee.2814fc5b@aol.com> Any opinions on what enlarging lens would best cover 6X6 and 6X7 with good quality results? I have both Hasselblad and Pentax 67 and have used both for some time for transparency and color lab prints but have never had access to a darkroom. I finally found the time and am in the process of building one. Just found a good used Beseler enlarger and I'm in a quandary about which enlarging lens to buy. Any response would be greatly appreciated. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:20:58 -0700 From: David Gerhardt To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 20x shutter/aperture coupling? Message-ID: <200104230420.AAA03410@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> --Apple-Mail-2141868312-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii On Sunday, April 22, 2001, at 08:28 PM, Austin Franklin wrote: > The 205FCC doesn't couple the shutter/aperture ring, like my 2003 and > 2000 > do... I am curious if the other 20x models don't couple either? It's > kind > of annoying, when in manual mode, not to have them couple! > Austin- Although the aperture & shutter speed don't couple on the BODY, you can still use the "C" or "CFx" lenses in the leaf-shutter mode (marked "C" on the 203 or 205 body). The camera then "emulates" a 500 series camera and you can use the coupling features of either the C (always coupled, push tab to uncouple), or the CF, CFe, CFi (always uncoupled, "push" button to couple) lenses. This was one of the original reasons I bought several CFe lenses rather than FE lenses for my 203. I had grown used to the coupling feature on my older "C" lenses, along with the ease of use of the EV exposure setting on these lenses (only needed to read one EV number from my old Gossen light meter, and transfer it over to the coupled ring on the camera lens). I do have to admit that as I used the 203 over the past year, I grew to use the EV/coupling feature less and less. Still, the lens coupling of the older lenses was a very elegant way to GUARANTEE that you kept the exposure constant as you changed (for example) depth of field. -David Gerhardt (davidgerhardt@mindspring.com) --Apple-Mail-2141868312-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii On Sunday, April 22, 2001, at 08:28 PM, Austin Franklin wrote: The 205FCC doesn't couple the shutter/aperture ring, like my 2003 and 2000 do... I am curious if the other 20x models don't couple either? It's kind of annoying, when in manual mode, not to have them couple! Austin- Although the aperture & shutter speed don't couple on the BODY, you can still use the "C" or "CFx" lenses in the leaf-shutter mode (marked "C" on the 203 or 205 body). The camera then "emulates" a 500 series camera and you can use the coupling features of either the C (always coupled, push tab to uncouple), or the CF, CFe, CFi (always uncoupled, "push" button to couple) lenses.=20 This was one of the original reasons I bought several CFe lenses rather than FE lenses for my 203. I had grown used to the coupling feature on my older "C" lenses, along with the ease of use of the EV exposure setting on these lenses (only needed to read one EV number from my old Gossen light meter, and transfer it over to the coupled ring on the camera lens). I do have to admit that as I used the 203 over the past year, I grew to use the EV/coupling feature less and less. Still, the lens coupling of the older lenses was a very elegant way to GUARANTEE that you kept the exposure constant as you changed (for example) depth of field. Gill = Sans3535,4747,8787-David Gerhardt American = Typewriter(davidgerhardt@mindspring.com)= --Apple-Mail-2141868312-2-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:08:12 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Best enlarging lens for Hasselblad and 6X7 Message-ID: <3AE3B8BB.3B3C213@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > > Any opinions on what enlarging lens would best cover 6X6 and 6X7 with good > quality results? I have both Hasselblad and Pentax 67 and have used both for > some time for transparency and color lab prints but have never had access to > a darkroom. I finally found the time and am in the process of building one. > Just found a good used Beseler enlarger and I'm in a quandary about which > enlarging lens to buy. Any response would be greatly appreciated. > > Jim The Nikon 105 is the top of the Nikon line and worthy of serious consideration. Worthy of the results you expect from your top quality Zeiss and Leica camera lenses. Or other premium glass. Mark Rabiner to be continued.... Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:01:30 -0400 From: "Patrick Flasch" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net (Hasselblad) Subject: Patrick Flasch/FLS/IT/AJC/US is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 04/20/2001 and will not return until 04/30/2001. 04/20/01 To all: I'll be "out of touch" until Monday, April 30th. If you have a production related EMERGENCY, please contact John's group at 5839. Please limit these calls to emergencies only... everthing else we'll fix when I return. Take care... and have a safe week, Patrick Latest Atlanta News and Sports: http://www.ajc.com Get The Atlanta Journal-Constitution delivered! http://www.ajc.com/subscribe ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1205 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html