hasselblad Tue, 15 May 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1227 In this issue: RE: 2X extenders Re: 2X extenders Re: 2X Converters RE: new RE: 2X extenders Re: 2X Converters Re: 2X Converters Re: hasselblad V1 #1224 Re: 2X extenders Softars Re: Softars Re: Softars Re: Softars Re: Softars Re: Softars OT Website I liked ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:16:21 -0700 From: "bradleya" To: Subject: RE: 2X extenders Message-ID: <001901c0ddae$351fd320$7301a8c0@hometrain.com.tw> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0DD73.8687D400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks for your respected comments on my inquiry about the = off-brand extenders compared with the Zeiss Mutar. Looks like I'll wait a while longer. As I originally suspected, it will = be worth the wait. Again, many thanks. Brad Vance ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0DD73.8687D400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks for your respected comments = on my=20 inquiry about the off-brand extenders compared with the Zeiss=20 Mutar.
 
Looks like I'll wait a while = longer.  As=20 I originally suspected, it will be worth the wait.
 
Again, many thanks.
 
Brad Vance
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0DD73.8687D400-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:32:40 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: 2X extenders Message-ID: <001401c0dc69$97aabdc0$7ce9f1c3@qnu350> s c o tt h i c ks wrote: > The 2000 Hasselblad product catalog has a ""Converter 2XE" listed on page 23 > (note: the word "Mutar" is missing). Is this the same as the "2x Mutar" > listed in this thread? Additionally, in the product catalog, I see the word > "Mutar" used with the "Zeiss PC-Mutar 1.4X Shift Converter". Could this > subtle change in description wording flag the Japanese glass? Indeed it does. The Converter 2x is said to be a "Hasselblad product", while the Mutar 2x is Zeiss. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:02:52 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: 2X Converters Message-ID: <007101c0dc6d$ced0a4a0$7ce9f1c3@qnu350> Jim Brick wrote: > >"My understanding is the Zeiss Mutar was optimized for the Zeiss CF 350 > >Sonnar (although it could give good results with shorter lenses), while the > >Hasselblad 2XE is optimized for the shorter telephotos, and is particularly > >good with the 180 CFi " > [...] > > My knowledge, as gleaned from my Hasselblad rep and local dealer is that > the Zeiss 2x extender that was the predecessor to the current 2xE Japanese > extender, was a general purpose extender. And it certainly seems that way > as it works flawlessly with my 180 CFi lens. The Mutar 2x was indeed introduced at the same time as the F (not CF!) 350 mm Tele-Tessar lens. And yes, it was optimized to be used with this lens. But that doesn't mean it will not yield good results (insofar as that is possible using teleconverters) with any other lens. The "Hasselblad" 2x extender is a result of a cost cutting excercise. Is it as good as the Zeiss Mutar? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:01:23 -0700 From: "Mohammad Nurpatria" To: Subject: RE: new Message-ID: Thanks for answering my questions, guys. It really helped me getting ideas of which flash to go w/ it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:22:34 -0400 From: "Cousineau , Bernard" To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: 2X extenders Message-ID: <4FAFDCF60A23D21197A500A0C9CFE33604EE66F1@EMAIL> > From: Jim Stewart > I'd have to agree with Gregg. I bought a 2x Komura on ebay > for less than $200. There's a reason it was so cheap. I'll > probably end up taking the glass out of it and using it for > an extension tube (: I agree too. I did a comparison test of Zeiss Mutar vs. third-party. The third-party converter gave me a small ghost image, whereas the Mutar did not. Bernard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:38:44 -0400 From: Evan J Dong To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 2X Converters Message-ID: <20010514.103845.-277579.0.evanjoe685@juno.com> In the latest Carl Zeiss Camera Lens News # 13, there is a very good article about teleconvertors. I hope that Hasselblad will return back to Zeiss teleconvertors instead of the Japanese version they are currently selling. (Most probably made by Fuji or Sigma.) Otherwise I would have to look for a good used Zeiss Mutar. Q.G. de Bakker, any information on your front regarding a return to Zeiss for the next generation Mutar or can we just forget about it? Evan Dong On Mon, 14 May 2001 14:02:52 +0200 "Q.G. de Bakker" writes: > Jim Brick wrote: > > > >"My understanding is the Zeiss Mutar was optimized for the Zeiss > CF 350 > > >Sonnar (although it could give good results with shorter lenses), > while > the > > >Hasselblad 2XE is optimized for the shorter telephotos, and is > particularly > > >good with the 180 CFi " > > [...] > > > > My knowledge, as gleaned from my Hasselblad rep and local dealer > is that > > the Zeiss 2x extender that was the predecessor to the current 2xE > Japanese > > extender, was a general purpose extender. And it certainly seems > that way > > as it works flawlessly with my 180 CFi lens. > > The Mutar 2x was indeed introduced at the same time as the F (not > CF!) 350 > mm Tele-Tessar lens. And yes, it was optimized to be used with this > lens. > But that doesn't mean it will not yield good results (insofar as > that is > possible using teleconverters) with any other lens. > > The "Hasselblad" 2x extender is a result of a cost cutting > excercise. Is it > as good as the Zeiss Mutar? > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:51:31 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 2X Converters Message-ID: <4.1.20010514074854.0415e440@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 10:38 AM 5/14/01 -0400, Evan J Dong wrote: >In the latest Carl Zeiss Camera Lens News # 13, there is a very good >article about teleconvertors. I hope that Hasselblad will return back to >Zeiss teleconvertors instead of the Japanese version they are currently >selling. (Most probably made by Fuji or Sigma.) Otherwise I would have >to look for a good used Zeiss Mutar. > >Q.G. de Bakker, any information on your front regarding a return to Zeiss >for the next generation Mutar or can we just forget about it? > >Evan Dong I wouldn't hold you breath waiting for Hasselblad to return to Zeiss for Mutars. When I wanted a converter, I just found a Zeiss version. Used Zeiss extenders are still cheaper than new Japanese extenders. And better to boot! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:49:57 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1224 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010514124717.00c995d0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:34 AM 05/12/2001, you wrote: >A sale is a sale for them. On one hand, yes, a sale is a sale for any retailer. On the other, any customer contact, including a sale, is an opportunity for positive customer interaction. Everyone here knows this. > I have learned that before you make >the purchase you have to really ask them detailed questions to ascertain >whether they know anything. Most of our sales associates are working pros with decades of experience augmented by almost continual product training. > I have also learned not to think twice about >asking for another sales person on the phone. Always an option. > Sometimes they just hang-up >on me, but I just call back and get someone else. I monitor both live conversations and tapes of customer calls. I haven't heard a sales associate hang-up on a customer in more than three years. If one did, either he's bleeding from multiple orifices or we fire him. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:10:49 EDT From: PeteScherm@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, jstewart@jkmicro.com Subject: Re: 2X extenders Message-ID: <74.a90bc63.283179a9@aol.com> Jim at jstewart@jkmicro.com writes: << I bought a 2x Komura on ebay for less than $200. There's a reason it was so cheap. I'll probably end up taking the glass out of it and using it for an extension tube (: >> This sounds like an appealing idea. I, too, have a Komura. I tried it out with various lenses and discovered that I could do as well or better by just enlarging the negative taken without the 2X extender (assuming that this is an option). I had been thinking of converting into some sort of exotic lens for a Holga, but the extension tube sounds like a much better idea. Has anyone done this? Are there particular springy-things to watch out for? I have a bit of self-taught experience (repaired iris-blade linkages on both a Leica and a Mamiyaflex when they came apart). What does anyone think about the idea? Of course, I prefer to remove the glass whole, and not in pieces (I'm still thinking about the Holga). Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:08:19 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Softars Message-ID: <003501c0dcba$00b40740$4b747bd5@btopenworld.com> I have an opportunity to buy a used Softar 1 and 2 at a reasonable price. I have been told that they have hairline scratches on them, and that they mark very easily if cleaned. Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to whether such hairline scratches will affect the image quality. I am not that fussy when it comes to lenses as minor blemishes on the front element rarely affect image quality, but I thought I would ask the question before parting with the cash. Thanks. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:21:30 -0400 From: "Peter Klosky" To: "Simon Lamb" , Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <014001c0dcbb$d8bd3ed0$230a210a@dulles> Simon, Always nice to hear from you. Well, I got a nice Softar I for $100 or so, then proceeded to scratch it, right away, using typical lens cleaning techniques. They are soft, like butter. However, it still works well enough. I have no plans to replace it, and I would pull it out in a heartbeat for a portrait. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Lamb" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Softars > I have an opportunity to buy a used Softar 1 and 2 at a reasonable price. I > have been told that they have hairline scratches on them, and that they mark > very easily if cleaned. Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to > whether such hairline scratches will affect the image quality. I am not > that fussy when it comes to lenses as minor blemishes on the front element > rarely affect image quality, but I thought I would ask the question before > parting with the cash. > > Thanks. > > Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:34:02 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <00a301c0dcbd$9848a040$4b747bd5@btopenworld.com> Peter Thanks. I figured that if the Softar is designed to soften the image then a few hairline scrathes would not make too much difference. I was doing great until I decided to use up a roll of Delta 100 with some pictures of my wife last week and she complained that the 180mm Sonnar was showing imperfections in her skin. Well, I showed her the effects of a Softar 1 and 2 (she insistes on stacking them for a Softar 3), and she won't get back in front of the lens until I get the Softars on the front of the 180. I can't believe I spent all that money on a lens and now have to spend even more to soften it up. Regards. Simon Peter Klosky wrote: > Simon, > > Always nice to hear from you. Well, I got a nice Softar I for $100 or so, > then proceeded to scratch it, right away, using typical lens cleaning > techniques. They are soft, like butter. However, it still works well > enough. I have no plans to replace it, and I would pull it out in a > heartbeat for a portrait. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Lamb" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:08 PM > Subject: Softars > > > > I have an opportunity to buy a used Softar 1 and 2 at a reasonable price. > I > > have been told that they have hairline scratches on them, and that they > mark > > very easily if cleaned. Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to > > whether such hairline scratches will affect the image quality. I am not > > that fussy when it comes to lenses as minor blemishes on the front element > > rarely affect image quality, but I thought I would ask the question before > > parting with the cash. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Simon > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:54:02 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <4.1.20010514145206.04122b90@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 10:08 PM 5/14/01 +0100, Simon Lamb wrote: >I have an opportunity to buy a used Softar 1 and 2 at a reasonable price. I >have been told that they have hairline scratches on them, and that they mark >very easily if cleaned. Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to >whether such hairline scratches will affect the image quality. I am not >that fussy when it comes to lenses as minor blemishes on the front element >rarely affect image quality, but I thought I would ask the question before >parting with the cash. > >Thanks. > >Simon Ever look through a Softar? Think of it as a pre-blemished pre-scratched lens. A few more scratches here and there cannot make an iota of difference. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:58:57 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <00eb01c0dcc1$13410140$4b747bd5@btopenworld.com> Jim I have never looked through a Softar but I presumed that anything that was designed to soften an image would probably not be too affected by minor scratches. Just thought I would check before spending the cash. Thanks. Simon Jim Brick wrote: > At 10:08 PM 5/14/01 +0100, Simon Lamb wrote: > >I have an opportunity to buy a used Softar 1 and 2 at a reasonable price. I > >have been told that they have hairline scratches on them, and that they mark > >very easily if cleaned. Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to > >whether such hairline scratches will affect the image quality. I am not > >that fussy when it comes to lenses as minor blemishes on the front element > >rarely affect image quality, but I thought I would ask the question before > >parting with the cash. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Simon > > > Ever look through a Softar? Think of it as a pre-blemished pre-scratched > lens. A few more scratches here and there cannot make an iota of difference. > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:09:25 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <3B005796.E959C7A7@rabiner.cncoffice.com> As they have been around for a while they are not some "LASER" etched process. Is it a secret how Zeiss degrades that glass? I saw a film lately and the softness in a scene was so satisfying i wondered if they got the Zeiss. Myself I'd not use one. If a face had too many wrinkles id not do a close-up of it, but pull back... use softer lighting, over expose slightly or print lighter. But I'd certainly would never diffuse an image coming out of the enlarger. So many shoots I'd done decades back and wished those shots were not diffused. It's as if those shots were stolen from me. Someone has stolen my detail! (it was me) Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:20:28 +0200 From: "Eduard Crombie" To: Subject: OT Website I liked Message-ID: Hello, I sent this link to the Contax list this afternoon and several people liked it very much. So I thought people on other lists might be interested. ---- I was looking up some info on LF format this morning and came across this: It kept me out of mischief for some time. ---- Don't forget to click the 'Next' buttons and judging by my download times (adsl), a fast connection helps a lot. Kind regards, Eduard Crombie Dendermonde, Belgium. ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1227 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html