hasselblad Wed, 16 May 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1228 In this issue: polaroid (fuji) failure Re: polaroid (fuji) failure Re: Softars Re: Softars Re: Softars Got the Softar - next question Re: Got the Softar - next question Re: Got the Softar - next question Re: Got the Softar - next question Hasselblad camera for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:03:56 -0300 From: "Eduardo Aigner" To: Subject: polaroid (fuji) failure Message-ID: <001301c0dd29$c75359e0$3d0eb0c8@ig> My new Hasselblad Polaplus Polaroid Back is beautiful, but the instant Fuji 100C prints are always one or more stops darker than the Minolta IV readings (and the RVP and RTP fujichromes). What am I doing wrong??? thanks in advance EDUARDO AIGNER www.porto.art.br/anonimos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:00 -0400 From: "Peter Klosky" To: Subject: Re: polaroid (fuji) failure Message-ID: <001401c0dd3f$3b0cd9f0$230a210a@dulles> Eduardo, You might want to check the calibration of your meter against another, as well as trying multiple lenses/shutters to make sure it isn't a quick shutter. Your metering technique could also be reviewed. Is the date still good on the pack? Another possibility is that the pack was off temperature when developed. You might consider varying your development times. Overall, I think you are smart to check your final results vs. your field readings and adjust accordingly. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo Aigner" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: polaroid (fuji) failure > > My new Hasselblad Polaplus Polaroid Back is beautiful, but the instant > Fuji 100C prints are always one or more stops darker than the Minolta IV > readings (and the RVP and RTP fujichromes). What am I doing wrong??? > > thanks in advance > > EDUARDO AIGNER > www.porto.art.br/anonimos > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:28:49 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010515092750.00cdb100@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:39 AM 05/15/2001, you wrote: >I have an opportunity to buy a used Softar 1 and 2 at a reasonable price. I >have been told that they have hairline scratches on them, and that they mark >very easily if cleaned. Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to >whether such hairline scratches will affect the image quality. You're buying the filter to soften the image. The hairline marks may make the 1 into a 1.1 and the 2 into a 2.2. Zeiss Softars are NOT glass and must be cleaned gingerly or your 2.2 will become a 3.9. :-) -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:35:01 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010515092953.00c62cf0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:39 AM 05/15/2001, you wrote: >I saw a film lately and the softness in a scene was so satisfying i >wondered if >they got the Zeiss. Most movie & TV production companies I know of use Tiffen products (for which Tiffen has won both Oscars & Emmys). Tiffen courts this market agressively and produces filters in the very large sizes necessary. >Myself I'd not use one. >If a face had too many wrinkles id not do a close-up of it, but pull >back... use >softer lighting, over expose slightly or print lighter. For the professional portrait photographer this is often not an option. When the mother of the bride wants a tight head shot who am I to deny her (and deny myself the chance to sell a 16x20? Personally I use the Sailwind ProSoft #1 for almost every portrait I shoot, including elementary school children. My proofs look like everyone else's finished stuff, retouching bills are way down, I sell more proof sets, and since the proof look so good, people think the finished stuff will be even better and orders are up. >But I'd certainly would never diffuse an image coming out of the enlarger. The effect of using a soft focus filter under an enlarger lens gives, IMHO, a subtly different effect than when the same filter is used in from of the camera lens. Not better or worse, but different, particularly with highlights. Like every photographic technique, when it produces the desired results, it's indispensable. When overused by a tyro, it's a cliche. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:53:17 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <3B015EFD.7F3C9F70@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > > At 03:39 AM 05/15/2001, you wrote: > >I saw a film lately and the softness in a scene was so satisfying i > >wondered if > >they got the Zeiss. > > Most movie & TV production companies I know of use Tiffen products > (for which Tiffen has won both Oscars & Emmys). Tiffen courts this market > agressively and produces filters in the very large sizes necessary. > > Actually Henry I've shot over a hundred weddings, from '75 to '95. And I've not ever had ANY body ask me for a tight head shot! As a matter of fact from the waist up is tight because full length is the norm for some reason! When i shot some weddings in the 80's with Nikons i might get some tight heads of people stuffing their faces at the reception but since I've switched to Hasselblads on the weddings (which I've not done for 5 years) i seldom shoot with a telephoto so waist up is the tightest I've ever got. No ones ever complained my pictures are too sharp which all tend to be 8x10's i print myself. 7x7 images. Or 5x7's cut down from that but the same magnification. I think many of us portrait photographer have idealized ideas of how people feel they need to look. :) In my experience people are quite excepting of a clean clear bright snappy picture of themselves. A thing my Hasselblads with Norman strobe are good at. The guys listed under "portrait" in the yellow pages are sure quicker to use diffusion over a lens than the commercial "guys" who in the vast majority of cases would not be caught dead with one. This says either something about the market or the people who cater to those markets. I think it's the later. That said if i ever again needed diffusion I'd buy the Zeises and wait till it came in before i shot it. Tiffens meshed cloth squashed between 2 sheets of optical glass is a product that gets no award from me! I've got a feeling Zeisses old method of doing what ever they do to make a Zeiss Softar has still, even with lasers not been matched or surpassed. Do the Softars not come in large sizes? Those movie guys can afford to special order anything! "What? only 2 grand to have me special order the 72 mm Softar?! I'll take three of them!" Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:27:55 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Got the Softar - next question Message-ID: <009e01c0dd85$e8343ba0$e9727bd5@btopenworld.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C0DD8E.498AC6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will be using the Softars for some studio flash shots but, having = never used one and not having any documentation with them, can anyone = tell me if I need any exposure compensation when using them? If so, how = much? Thanks. Simon ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C0DD8E.498AC6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will be using the Softars for some studio flash = shots but,=20 having never used one and not having any documentation with them, can = anyone=20 tell me if I need any exposure compensation when using them?  If = so, how=20 much?
 
Thanks.
 
Simon
------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C0DD8E.498AC6A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:19:14 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: "Simon Lamb" , Subject: Re: Got the Softar - next question Message-ID: <4.1.20010515151535.0417b4f0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> --=====================_954865884==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is no stated filter factor. B+W, the US supplier of Softars, suggests +1/2 stop when using B&W stating that normal exposure on B&W using soft focus looks dull. Jim At 10:27 PM 5/15/01 +0100, Simon Lamb wrote: > > I will be using the Softars for some studio flash shots but, having never > used one and not having any documentation with them, can anyone tell me if I > need any exposure compensation when using them? If so, how much? > > Thanks. > > Simon --=====================_954865884==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" There is no stated filter factor. B+W, the US supplier of Softars, suggests +1/2 stop when using B&W stating that normal exposure on B&W using soft focus looks dull.

Jim


At 10:27 PM 5/15/01 +0100, Simon Lamb wrote:
I will be using the Softars for some studio flash shots but, having never used one and not having any documentation with them, can anyone tell me if I need any exposure compensation when using them?  If so, how much?
 
Thanks.
 
Simon

--=====================_954865884==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:26:07 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Got the Softar - next question Message-ID: <00c501c0dd8e$09547b80$e9727bd5@btopenworld.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C0DD96.6AC67DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. Hasselblad give no figures on their website. Guess I need to = do some test shots with with the Softar 1, 2 and stacked to make a 3 and = try different compensations. Simon Jim Brick wrote:=20 To: Simon Lamb ; hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: 15 May 2001 23:19 Subject: Re: Got the Softar - next question There is no stated filter factor. B+W, the US supplier of Softars, = suggests +1/2 stop when using B&W stating that normal exposure on B&W = using soft focus looks dull. Jim At 10:27 PM 5/15/01 +0100, Simon Lamb wrote:=20 I will be using the Softars for some studio flash shots but, having = never used one and not having any documentation with them, can anyone = tell me if I need any exposure compensation when using them? If so, how = much? =20 Thanks. =20 Simon ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C0DD96.6AC67DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks.  Hasselblad give no figures on their=20 website.  Guess I need to do some test shots with with the Softar = 1, 2 and=20 stacked to make a 3 and try different compensations.
 
Simon
 
Jim Brick wrote: 
Sent: 15 May 2001 23:19
Subject: Re: Got the Softar - = next=20 question

There is no stated filter factor. B+W, the US supplier = of=20 Softars, suggests +1/2 stop when using B&W stating that normal = exposure on=20 B&W using soft focus looks dull.

Jim


At 10:27 PM = 5/15/01=20 +0100, Simon Lamb wrote:
I will be using the Softars for some = studio=20 flash shots but, having never used one and not having any = documentation with=20 them, can anyone tell me if I need any exposure compensation when = using=20 them?  If so, how much?
 
Thanks.
 
Simon

------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C0DD96.6AC67DC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:04:52 +0800 From: "Stein" To: "Simon Lamb" , Subject: Re: Got the Softar - next question Message-ID: <004201c0dd93$7594f040$04b237cb@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0DDD6.815D7760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Simon and everybody, Goodness, what a fuss. All this trouble over a little soft focus to = get rid of wrinkles. Has no-one ever heard of 400 grade wet-and-dry = sandpaper? Half a minute scrubbing round with that and the problem is = gone. And it is reusable too, once you rinse it out. The other alternative is a large Terry clamp round the back of the = sitter. Actually sometimes you have to position it higher than their = sitter but the basic idea is to gather all the loose flesh you can and = stretch it under the clamp - then the front looks nice and smooth. Just = don't stand too close when you unclamp them or it could get nasty.... =20 Uncle Dick off to work and aren't you glad he ain't workin' on you. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0DDD6.815D7760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Simon and everybody,
 
     Goodness, what = a fuss. All=20 this trouble over a little soft focus to get rid of wrinkles. Has no-one = ever=20 heard of 400 grade wet-and-dry sandpaper? Half a minute scrubbing round = with=20 that and the problem is gone. And it is reusable too, once you rinse it=20 out.
 
    The other = alternative is a large=20 Terry clamp round the back of the sitter. Actually sometimes you have to = position it higher than their sitter but the basic idea is to gather all = the=20 loose flesh you can and stretch it under the clamp - then the front = looks nice=20 and smooth. Just don't stand too close when you unclamp them or it could = get=20 nasty....
   
    Uncle Dick off to = work and=20 aren't you glad he ain't workin' on you.
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0DDD6.815D7760-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:03:38 -0400 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Hasselblad camera for sale Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010515220338.009c57a0@POP6.sympatico.ca> > >Would it be possible to place this add in your user group page for all to >see. > >Thanks > >A photography friend of mine died 6 months ago and his family have ask me to >sell his Hasselblads. I have got rid of the 500CM and now only have the SWC >for sale. The condition according to second hand camera dealers in New >Zealand is "Right for it age, all moving parts do what they are suppose to >be needs a bit of TLC" > >Link to more info http://www.selcom.co.nz/camera.htm > >Please use the email link at the bottom of the site page. > >Please make an offer and I will contact the family involved. > >Thanks > >peter > > > ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1228 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html