hasselblad Fri, 18 May 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1230 In this issue: Re: Got the Softar - next question Softars, or bleeding shadows Hasselblad lens for sale Re: Zoomars Re: Got the Softar - next question RE: Zoomars RE: Zoomars RE: Zoomars Re: Zoomars Re: Zoomars Re: Softars, or bleeding shadows Re: Softars, or bleeding shadows Re: Got the Softar - next question which was mine 'Am I an artist?' Re: Softars Re: Zoomars Re: Zoomars Re: Zoomars Re: Zoomars Re: Zoomars In Sewer Ants RE: In Sewer Ants hassy fs 5-18-01 Re: Zoomars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:49:48 +0800 From: "Stein" To: Subject: Re: Got the Softar - next question Message-ID: <00ba01c0debf$18670b60$8db237cb@oemcomputer> Dear Don, There is no need to be frightened of the darkroom. the worst that could happen in there is you could pull the enlarger over on top of yourself and be found a week later a lifeless corpse. Or touch a live wire over the sink and burst into flames. Or run into the edge of the table with your groin. And don't worry about wasting paper. Just keep printing until either you get the grade and exposure you need or they run out of trees. Art is in the eye of the beholder, and occasionally the bank account. Print what seems good to you, and damn the critics. If they are paying you they are not critics, they are customers, in which case listen carefully to what they demand. Then do what you were going to do anyway. Uncle Dick, who burnt out his enlarger lamp last night and then dropped it on the darkroom floor and scattered glass fragments from hell to breakfast. The replacement cost $ 30 which is a lesson..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:10:15 -0700 From: bfranson@greennet.net (Bill Franson) To: Reply-To: Subject: Softars, or bleeding shadows Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010517081015.007fa860@mail.greennet.net> >> If it was done in the darkroom the shadows would bleed into the highlights >> instead of the other way around as it would be with a Softar or net on the >> lens. >> >> Dirk > > >That's the DEVIL!! >You don't want shadows bleeding into the highlights! 666! >Extremely bad vibes dude!!! Upside down pentium! > >:) > >Mark Rabiner Actually, take a look at Lynn Geesaman's work. See POETICS OF PLACE. She have become pretty popular in the galleries. Yancy Richardson in NY carries her stuff. Lynn shoots square, the formal parks and gardens thing. Her images have a big black bleed into the highlights. I find the technique helpful when a bit of white sky (or white anything) on the border of a print just won't burn in to give me readable density. Fog it during the burn-in and voila, grey sky! Try it out. Bill Franson 978.463.8100 http://www.bfranson.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:39:45 -0400 From: Michael Gardner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Hasselblad lens for sale Message-ID: <3B03D4A1.18CB3606@earthlink.net> I have a 100mm/3.5 CFi lens for sale. Mint condition. Has only been used a few times. I am asking $1950. Take a look at the lens here: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~mlgardner99/Hasselblad/Hass100a.jpg http://www.home.earthlink.net/~mlgardner99/Hasselblad/Hass100b.jpg http://www.home.earthlink.net/~mlgardner99/Hasselblad/Hass100c.jpg Thanks, Mike Gardner Connecticut, USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:14:28 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <4.1.20010517081346.041c3110@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 10:17 PM 5/16/01 -0400, QWhoZeiss@aol.com wrote: >Anyone have an intrested in putting Zoomars on Hasselblads? >Lets talk. So what is a Zoomar? Sounds degrading (image wise that is...) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:23:01 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: Subject: Re: Got the Softar - next question Message-ID: <4.1.20010517081536.041c52d0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 06:49 PM 5/17/01 +0800, Stein wrote: >Dear Don, > > Uncle Dick, who burnt out his enlarger lamp last night and then dropped >it on the darkroom floor and scattered glass fragments from hell to >breakfast. The replacement cost $ 30 which is a lesson..... > A lesson in what??? To not use your enlarger so the bulb won't burn out? You should move to California. Bulbs last much longer here. Perhaps you meant to say that you dropped the NEW bulb on the floor. Which I agree is a dumb thing to do. Next time turn on the light and make it an undark room. Then change the bulb. ;) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:33:04 +0200 From: "Eduard Crombie" To: Subject: RE: Zoomars Message-ID: > So what is a Zoomar? Sounds degrading (image wise that is...) > > Jim I don't know either, Jim. But what is odd, is I get these two messages from Marc and Leo with a "Re:[Rollei}Zoomar" in the subject line. Is a Zoomar something specific to Rollei maybe ? And how did they get on the Blad list ? BTW, I'm not subscribed to the Rollei list. Maybe later, when I'll have one :-) Eduard. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:10:52 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: Zoomars Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010517121052.00ffae30@pop.infi-net.mindspring.com> At 05:33 PM 5/17/2001 +0200, Eduard Crombie wrote: >> So what is a Zoomar? Sounds degrading (image wise that is...) >> >> Jim > >I don't know either, Jim. Good heavens! Kilfitt is like Novoflex. Heinz Kilfitt produced a range of most highly regarded lenses with switchable mounts from the late 1940's until he retired in 1967 -- available mounts included almost every camera system of the era, including Hasselblad 1000F/1600F. Many, but not all, of the Kilfitt lens line provided MF coverage. Especially well thought-of was the 2.8/90 Macro-Kilar, which provided a reproduction ratio of 1:1.8 on a 6cm by 6cm format. Kilfitt for years was used quite extensively in cine applications, especially in Hollywood. In the early 1950's, an American named Dr Frank Back began to produce multi-focal-length lenses for cine work. In 1958, he was contacted by Voigtl=E4nder and asked to produce such a lens for their Bessamatic camera, and the 2.8/36-82 Zoomar resulted. Back, however, lacked the production capacity to produce the lens, so Voigtl=E4nder contacted Kilfitt, and a happ= y relationship between the Zoomar Corporation and Kilfitt resulted. When Heinz Kilfitt retired in 1967, he sold his company to Dr Back, and the resulting Zoomar Corporation operated plants both in the US and Germany. In 1987, Zoomar withdrew from consumer optics and closed its plant on Long Island. The WEHA adapters allow most of the later Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses to be used on 200X and 20X cameras. However, these puppies are most rare -- as I noted yesterday, I've never even seen one such! Mike Fletcher, a List member, has a set of the factory plans for the WEHA adapter and has contacted a machine shop about bringing these guys back into production. The cost would be around $300 for a small run, and would come down quite a bit if sufficient orders can be found. Leo Wolk, another List member, is perhaps the World's Only Known Kilfitt Collector and is quite an expert on the breed. =20 And, yes, there WERE adapters to fit these lenses to Rolleiflex cameras as well -- WERO for the SL66, though not for the SL35's, though these could be adapted using the PAN M42 adapter and the Rolleiflex M42 adapter -- as well as Leica -- WEVI for the Visoflex II/III, Jim, and LEN and LEN-R3 for the Leicaflex/R cameras. All in all, Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses are an immensely powerful line with almost infinite adaptability. (And Herr Zorkendoerfer of the nifty adapters begin his working career at Kilfitt in Munich.) Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:26:13 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: Zoomars Message-ID: <4.1.20010517092346.020da450@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> Many thanks Marc. I am familiar with Kilfitt and Novoflex lenses. But did not know of Zoomar. Your explanation was just what I (and others I'm sure) wanted. :) Jim At 12:10 PM 5/17/01 -0400, Marc James Small wrote: > >Heinz Kilfitt produced a range of most highly regarded lenses with >switchable mounts from the late 1940's until he retired in 1967 -- >available mounts included almost every camera system of the era, including >Hasselblad 1000F/1600F. Many, but not all, of the Kilfitt lens line >provided MF coverage. Especially well thought-of was the 2.8/90 >Macro-Kilar, which provided a reproduction ratio of 1:1.8 on a 6cm by 6cm >format. Kilfitt for years was used quite extensively in cine applications, >especially in Hollywood. > >In the early 1950's, an American named Dr Frank Back began to produce >multi-focal-length lenses for cine work. In 1958, he was contacted by >Voigtl=E4nder and asked to produce such a lens for their Bessamatic camera, >and the 2.8/36-82 Zoomar resulted. Back, however, lacked the production >capacity to produce the lens, so Voigtl=E4nder contacted Kilfitt, and a= happy >relationship between the Zoomar Corporation and Kilfitt resulted. When >Heinz Kilfitt retired in 1967, he sold his company to Dr Back, and the >resulting Zoomar Corporation operated plants both in the US and Germany. >In 1987, Zoomar withdrew from consumer optics and closed its plant on Long >Island. > >The WEHA adapters allow most of the later Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses to be used >on 200X and 20X cameras. However, these puppies are most rare -- as I >noted yesterday, I've never even seen one such! Mike Fletcher, a List >member, has a set of the factory plans for the WEHA adapter and has >contacted a machine shop about bringing these guys back into production. >The cost would be around $300 for a small run, and would come down quite a >bit if sufficient orders can be found. Leo Wolk, another List member, is >perhaps the World's Only Known Kilfitt Collector and is quite an expert on >the breed. =20 > >And, yes, there WERE adapters to fit these lenses to Rolleiflex cameras as >well -- WERO for the SL66, though not for the SL35's, though these could be >adapted using the PAN M42 adapter and the Rolleiflex M42 adapter -- as well >as Leica -- WEVI for the Visoflex II/III, Jim, and LEN and LEN-R3 for the >Leicaflex/R cameras. > >All in all, Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses are an immensely powerful line with >almost infinite adaptability. (And Herr Zorkendoerfer of the nifty >adapters begin his working career at Kilfitt in Munich.) > >Marc > >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute=20 >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing= list=20 >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or=20 >affiliates. > >Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use= text=20 >mode only. > >To change your subscription status, go to:=20 >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at= http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:29:55 -0700 From: Jim Stewart To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <3B03FC83.7CBCA3D9@jkmicro.com> Great explaination. Somewhere in my hazy past, I seem to recall a Zoomar fitted to a television camera. Any recollection of that? Jim Brick wrote: >=20 > Many thanks Marc. >=20 > I am familiar with Kilfitt and Novoflex lenses. But did not know of Zoo= mar. > Your explanation was just what I (and others I'm sure) wanted. >=20 > :) >=20 > Jim >=20 > At 12:10 PM 5/17/01 -0400, Marc James Small wrote: > > > >Heinz Kilfitt produced a range of most highly regarded lenses with > >switchable mounts from the late 1940's until he retired in 1967 -- > >available mounts included almost every camera system of the era, inclu= ding > >Hasselblad 1000F/1600F. Many, but not all, of the Kilfitt lens line > >provided MF coverage. Especially well thought-of was the 2.8/90 > >Macro-Kilar, which provided a reproduction ratio of 1:1.8 on a 6cm by = 6cm > >format. Kilfitt for years was used quite extensively in cine applicat= ions, > >especially in Hollywood. > > > >In the early 1950's, an American named Dr Frank Back began to produce > >multi-focal-length lenses for cine work. In 1958, he was contacted by > >Voigtl=E4nder and asked to produce such a lens for their Bessamatic ca= mera, > >and the 2.8/36-82 Zoomar resulted. Back, however, lacked the producti= on > >capacity to produce the lens, so Voigtl=E4nder contacted Kilfitt, and = a happy > >relationship between the Zoomar Corporation and Kilfitt resulted. Whe= n > >Heinz Kilfitt retired in 1967, he sold his company to Dr Back, and the > >resulting Zoomar Corporation operated plants both in the US and German= y. > >In 1987, Zoomar withdrew from consumer optics and closed its plant on = Long > >Island. > > > >The WEHA adapters allow most of the later Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses to be = used > >on 200X and 20X cameras. However, these puppies are most rare -- as I > >noted yesterday, I've never even seen one such! Mike Fletcher, a List > >member, has a set of the factory plans for the WEHA adapter and has > >contacted a machine shop about bringing these guys back into productio= n. > >The cost would be around $300 for a small run, and would come down qui= te a > >bit if sufficient orders can be found. Leo Wolk, another List member,= is > >perhaps the World's Only Known Kilfitt Collector and is quite an exper= t on > >the breed. > > > >And, yes, there WERE adapters to fit these lenses to Rolleiflex camera= s as > >well -- WERO for the SL66, though not for the SL35's, though these cou= ld be > >adapted using the PAN M42 adapter and the Rolleiflex M42 adapter -- as= well > >as Leica -- WEVI for the Visoflex II/III, Jim, and LEN and LEN-R3 for = the > >Leicaflex/R cameras. > > > >All in all, Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses are an immensely powerful line with > >almost infinite adaptability. (And Herr Zorkendoerfer of the nifty > >adapters begin his working career at Kilfitt in Munich.) > > > >Marc > > > >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 > >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailin= g list > >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, = or > >affiliates. > > > >Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Us= e text > >mode only. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: > >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.h= tm > >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/inde= x.html >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Int= ernet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list= is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or= affiliates. >=20 > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use= text mode only. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest= /RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.ht= m > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index= .html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:34:57 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010517123457.00ffa660@pop.infi-net.mindspring.com> At 09:29 AM 5/17/2001 -0700, Jim Stewart wrote: >Great explaination. Somewhere in my hazy past, I seem to recall a >Zoomar fitted to a television camera. Any recollection of that? > Kilfitt/Zoomar made four lenses specifically for TV applications: T1.5/300 High Speed Reflectar (list price: $9,950.00 in 1976) T2.3/400 High Speed Reflectar (list price: $9,950.00 in 1976) T2.8/500 High Speed Reflectar (list price: $9,950.00 in 1976) T5.0/1000 High Speed Reflectar (list price: $10,500 in 1976) I believe other lenses were adapted for TV work as well. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:50:45 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: Bill Franson , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Softars, or bleeding shadows Message-ID: <3B040166.24B4987F@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Sounds like that flick "Ghost"!!! In my life I believe I have seen this technique done in such a way that did not put me off. But for myself I've got a thing about my grain pattern on my print. I really want it to be consistent from center to edge and as sharp and regular as possible. Grain being the brush stroke of photographer to me it's as if a pointillist before the paint was dry took a rag to a portion of the picture smoothing out the brush structure so they disappeared. Not going to happen. Diffusion on the camera lens does not destroy the grain pattern on my print. Diffusion on the lens does. But i believe Diffusion has gone the way of the dodo. Zone 64 has won! The fuzzy wuzzies have been put at bay! Ansel in his "examples" DID have an example of a diffused landscape. VERY early work like he was TEN. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:01:52 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: Bill Franson , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Softars, or bleeding shadows Message-ID: <3B040400.1E6E8AC8@rabiner.cncoffice.com> correction on second cup of coffee > Diffusion on the camera lens does not destroy the grain pattern on my print. > Diffusion on the ENLARGER lens does. > But i believe Diffusion has gone the way of the dodo. > Zone 64 has won! The fuzzy wuzzies have been put at bay! > Ansel in his "examples" DID have an example of a diffused landscape. > VERY early work like he was TEN. > > Mark Rabiner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:08:43 -0500 From: Don Nelson To: HassyArtists Subject: Re: Got the Softar - next question which was mine 'Am I an artist?' Message-ID: <3B04059A.E9E533D7@mr.net> Went to my class feeling incompetent. Found out it had been announced 1 week early, the previous class needed to finish this week. I was told I could join 1/2 the students hr later then stated so all in the current class would have an enlarger if they showed. I waited and was able to join. I said I wanted to print 6x6 negs and was told the 6x7 Beselers did not have 6x6 condensers or lenses - only set up for 35 mm. I had brought some old 35 tri-x negs as well - just in case, of my kids 1/4 century old, when I had just adopted them (never printed though). Found out even though I felt incompetent I am not, and was also able to 'work around' above problems and: *) People who did not follow posted rules - since I had the extra half hour I read them. *) Youth who may not have been inconsiderate, just inexperienced. *) Rediscovered cleaning negs is faster then spotting prints - Da. Brought home prints which needed washing - wonderful for me I now can tell my X I have printed some negs. I am sure she does not care. *) Found out the drum washer now leaks and put it in the basement tub til I get it fixed. *) Today I would have posted this earlier but am working on my Pako Drum dryer as it had not been plugged in for several years. need to walk the apron past where it was every time it comes around...... God I love photography, it only takes time. Feeling better (and letting the lawn go cause I'm in the darkroom) Don N. - the artist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:08:27 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Softars Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010517130614.00baac70@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:41 AM 05/17/2001, you wrote: >How do you know it isn't done after the fact? We NEVER used any softars, >and any softening was done in the darkroom/digitally. I know what I have seen and what has been related to me by the shooter. It's certainly possible to add it after, giving the option of with or w/out. Six of one . . . -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:52:50 -0400 From: "Eugene A. Pallat" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <3B040FF2.96E21723@apk.net> Zoomars were zoom lenses used in TV. The 1st use that I recall was in broadcasting baseball and football games. The camerman could zoom from a widw angle overview into the action quickly. Gene Pallat Orion Forensics Orion Data Systems ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:28:03 -0400 From: Bernard Ferster To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010517142540.009e1230@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> We share an ancient haze: I beleive that Zoomar were the very first zoom=20 lenses fitted to TV cameras. Either the lens was named after the newly found ability to zoom or the=20 effect was named after the lens. ;-) At 09:29 AM 5/17/01 -0700, you wrote: >Great explaination. Somewhere in my hazy past, I seem to recall a >Zoomar fitted to a television camera. Any recollection of that? > >Jim Brick wrote: > > > > Many thanks Marc. > > > > I am familiar with Kilfitt and Novoflex lenses. But did not know of= Zoomar. > > Your explanation was just what I (and others I'm sure) wanted. > > > > :) > > > > Jim > > > > At 12:10 PM 5/17/01 -0400, Marc James Small wrote: > > > > > >Heinz Kilfitt produced a range of most highly regarded lenses with > > >switchable mounts from the late 1940's until he retired in 1967 -- > > >available mounts included almost every camera system of the era,= including > > >Hasselblad 1000F/1600F. Many, but not all, of the Kilfitt lens line > > >provided MF coverage. Especially well thought-of was the 2.8/90 > > >Macro-Kilar, which provided a reproduction ratio of 1:1.8 on a 6cm by= 6cm > > >format. Kilfitt for years was used quite extensively in cine=20 > applications, > > >especially in Hollywood. > > > > > >In the early 1950's, an American named Dr Frank Back began to produce > > >multi-focal-length lenses for cine work. In 1958, he was contacted by > > >Voigtl=E4nder and asked to produce such a lens for their Bessamatic= camera, > > >and the 2.8/36-82 Zoomar resulted. Back, however, lacked the= production > > >capacity to produce the lens, so Voigtl=E4nder contacted Kilfitt, and a= =20 > happy > > >relationship between the Zoomar Corporation and Kilfitt resulted. When > > >Heinz Kilfitt retired in 1967, he sold his company to Dr Back, and the > > >resulting Zoomar Corporation operated plants both in the US and= Germany. > > >In 1987, Zoomar withdrew from consumer optics and closed its plant on= Long > > >Island. > > > > > >The WEHA adapters allow most of the later Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses to be= used > > >on 200X and 20X cameras. However, these puppies are most rare -- as I > > >noted yesterday, I've never even seen one such! Mike Fletcher, a List > > >member, has a set of the factory plans for the WEHA adapter and has > > >contacted a machine shop about bringing these guys back into= production. > > >The cost would be around $300 for a small run, and would come down= quite a > > >bit if sufficient orders can be found. Leo Wolk, another List member,= is > > >perhaps the World's Only Known Kilfitt Collector and is quite an expert= on > > >the breed. > > > > > >And, yes, there WERE adapters to fit these lenses to Rolleiflex cameras= as > > >well -- WERO for the SL66, though not for the SL35's, though these=20 > could be > > >adapted using the PAN M42 adapter and the Rolleiflex M42 adapter -- as= =20 > well > > >as Leica -- WEVI for the Visoflex II/III, Jim, and LEN and LEN-R3 for= the > > >Leicaflex/R cameras. > > > > > >All in all, Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses are an immensely powerful line with > > >almost infinite adaptability. (And Herr Zorkendoerfer of the nifty > > >adapters begin his working career at Kilfitt in Munich.) > > > > > >Marc > > > > > >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 > > >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > > >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This=20 > mailing list > > >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries,= or > > >affiliates. > > > > > >Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this=20 > list. Use text > > >mode only. > > > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: > > >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > >Digest archives are stored at= http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > >Searchable archives can be found at=20 > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute=20 > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing=20 > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's=20 > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use= =20 > text mode only. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to:=20 > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at=20 > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute=20 >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing=20 >list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries,= =20 >or affiliates. > >Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use=20 >text mode only. > >To change your subscription status, go to:=20 >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at= http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html .........................B.F.......................... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:54:12 -0700 From: Jim Stewart To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <3B041E54.B40FBB76@jkmicro.com> Take a look at this: http://www.pharis-video.com/p3127.htm This is where I remember it from. I think the very first TV zooms were made by Cooke in England, though I could be wrong. Bernard Ferster wrote: > > We share an ancient haze: I beleive that Zoomar were the very first zoom > lenses fitted to TV cameras. > Either the lens was named after the newly found ability to zoom or the > effect was named after the lens. ;-) > At 09:29 AM 5/17/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Great explaination. Somewhere in my hazy past, I seem to recall a > >Zoomar fitted to a television camera. Any recollection of that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:56:36 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010517145636.010548f0@pop.infi-net.mindspring.com> At 02:28 PM 5/17/2001 -0400, Bernard Ferster wrote: >We share an ancient haze: I beleive that Zoomar were the very first zoom >lenses fitted to TV cameras. >Either the lens was named after the newly found ability to zoom or the >effect was named after the lens. ;-) Well, yes, but it is older than that: Dr Frank Back's original creations were made for cine work but were taken over for television use almost immediately. Back picked the name "Zoomar" for his company, I guess, due to the "zoom" concept though the lenses he was producing were not what we now call "zoom" lenses -- they were multi-focal-length lenses, as they had to be refocused when the focal length was changed. See Kingslake for some discussion on the design of the original Zoomar line. And understand that there are two distinct production groups under discussion here: the Zoomar lenses produced to Dr Back's design and the Kilfitt/Zoomar lens designs he acquired when he purchased the Kilfitt works in 1967. The original discussion was about the Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses; the pure Zoomar lenses are in TV or cine format and cannot provide full-frame MF coverage, I strongly suspect. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:38:26 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Zoomars Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010517153826.00f6f420@pop.infi-net.mindspring.com> At 11:54 AM 5/17/2001 -0700, Jim Stewart wrote: >This is where I remember it from. I think the very first TV zooms were >made by Cooke in England, though I could be wrong. I believe you are referring to the designs of G H Cook produced by Taylor-Hobson in the UK from 1950 onwards. See Kingslake 169. 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Thanks for the Zoomar history. .............B.F............... > At 02:28 PM 5/17/2001 -0400, Bernard Ferster wrote: > >We share an ancient haze: I beleive that Zoomar were the very first zoom > >lenses fitted to TV cameras. > >Either the lens was named after the newly found ability to zoom or the > >effect was named after the lens. ;-) > > Well, yes, but it is older than that: Dr Frank Back's original creations > were made for cine work but were taken over for television use almost > immediately. Back picked the name "Zoomar" for his company, I guess, due > to the "zoom" concept though the lenses he was producing were not what we > now call "zoom" lenses -- they were multi-focal-length lenses, as they had > to be refocused when the focal length was changed. > > See Kingslake for some discussion on the design of the original Zoomar line. > > And understand that there are two distinct production groups under > discussion here: the Zoomar lenses produced to Dr Back's design and the > Kilfitt/Zoomar lens designs he acquired when he purchased the Kilfitt works > in 1967. The original discussion was about the Kilfitt/Zoomar lenses; the > pure Zoomar lenses are in TV or cine format and cannot provide full-frame > MF coverage, I strongly suspect. > > Marc > > msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 > Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way > affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. 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