hasselblad Fri, 25 May 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1237 In this issue: Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs price drop on 203FE body RE: frame spacing RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs fungus in lens? RE: 220 in a 120 back RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Re: fungus in lens? Using 12 magazines for 220 - was: RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs A12 minus 12 Re: A12 minus 12 Re: A12 minus 12 Re: A12 minus 12 Re: fungus in lens? RE: price drop on 203FE body RE: price drop on 203FE body Re: price drop on 203FE body Re: price drop on 203FE body FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs RE: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs hassy fs 5-25-01 Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:33:05 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010524093234.00bbd240@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:52 AM 05/24/2001, you wrote: >What are the tradeoffs involved in shooting 120 vs. 220 film, besides >obvious things such as per-roll costs and the convenience of being able to >shoot more frames between changing rolls? There are a number of films available in 120 that are not available in 220. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:38:58 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010524093545.00bbdca0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> I received an e-mail yesterday from B&H's Hasselblad rep. He advises that the price of the 203FE body will be lowered. MAP, which was 5732.00 will become $3,175.00. I do not have an effective date, but I expect it to happen within a week or two. I do not yet know what the new "street" price will be. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:01:23 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: frame spacing Message-ID: > From what I've gathered by reading old posts and articles, > Hasselblad backs can gradually develop spacing problems. Is this correct? Though it has not happened to me in 20 years of using Hasselblads, it can happen. It typically happens from the lubricant in the backs not doing their job...and typically nothing a CLA won't cure. > I'm not sure just how much variation in spacing from frame to frame is > within acceptable limits. Should there be any variation? Of course there will be "some" but it certainly should not be really noticeable. > Thanks for any input. The back is used and is still under warranty by the > store that sold it to me (a local store luckily) and will > inevitably take it > in for them to check it out. I'd send it back, but only if they really know how to work on these backs...or you may be better off spending the money having someone who knows what they are doing CLA it...than frustrating your self with someone who doesn't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:04:30 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Message-ID: > Can 220 be shot with a 120 back? It depends on what back. A 12 back, yes, with a plug in the frame viewing porthole...(but you need to understand how to position the film to start at frame 1, not a big deal...and I can provide that information if you like). A12, yes, but you only get 12 frames ;-) There is no way to reset the frame counter...since it only counts up to 12, and stops you from shooting any more, that would be a problem if you wanted 24 frames. Also, the pressure plate is different between the 12 and 24 backs...no whether you would see a difference, I can't say... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:29:03 -0400 (EDT) From: shino@ubspainewebber.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net (Hasselblad Users Group (HUG)) Subject: Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Message-ID: <200105241429.KAA03531@tigercat.pwj.com> i used 2 A12s for 10 years, and when i recently bought 2 A24s, it was like i had a whole new camera. (actually, i did get a new camera, a 503CW and Winder). this combination, to me, allows me to shoot without worrying about being on frame 10, 11 or 12. maybe i am just a 35mm weenie, but 12 just seems to short for me. and i also love 2 page contact sheets of images you don't need a loupe to see. a 120/220 contact sheet is beautiful thing, and one of the extra reasons i enjoy MF so much. now, my A12s exist primarily for delta 3200. -rei From: Mark Rabiner I love 220. My first back was a 220 back. I have 2 now. and 2 120's which i use much less. If you are shooting people and you knock out 9 quick shots you don't' feel quite a free to shoot with only 3 in the camera. 220 you can crank and crank like in 35mm. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:32:05 -0400 From: "Bob Boggio" To: Subject: RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Message-ID: I have both a 12 and 16 exposure back, and the plugs for the porthole. I have been given different instructions as to how to position the film at the first frame. I would like to know how you do it. Thanks Bob -----Original Message----- From: Austin Franklin [mailto:darkroom@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:05 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > Can 220 be shot with a 120 back? It depends on what back. A 12 back, yes, with a plug in the frame viewing porthole...(but you need to understand how to position the film to start at frame 1, not a big deal...and I can provide that information if you like). A12, yes, but you only get 12 frames ;-) There is no way to reset the frame counter...since it only counts up to 12, and stops you from shooting any more, that would be a problem if you wanted 24 frames. Also, the pressure plate is different between the 12 and 24 backs...no whether you would see a difference, I can't say... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:41:28 +0200 From: Colin Howarth To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: fungus in lens? Message-ID: <3B0D1D98.1DEA4167@howarth.de> Hello all. There's a 250 chrome lens on offer on ebay.com at the moment (item 1239152577). The owner has provided some nice pictures of the lens. On one of these he points out a "very small mark". Does anyone notice anything else? BTW Is Ebay a taboo topic? Thanks, colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:49:20 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: 220 in a 120 back Message-ID: <4.1.20010524073611.022742c0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 10:18 PM 5/23/01 -0700, Rod Leavitt wrote: >Can 220 be shot with a 120 back? I'm told the 120 film has a back-up paper >that isn't found on the 220, thus the only difference is the thickness of >the backup paper: i.e., a very slight difference in thickness to the >pressure plate, which is not noticeable unless the photo is blown up beyond >8 x 10. If it's possible, what effect does the counter have beyond 12? Hasselblad says that you can use 120 film in a 220 back in a pinch. frame spacing will be way out and the last frame may not be all there. I have done this and I got all frames, but the last few frames have a huge gap between them. Hasselblad does not recommend using 220 in a 120 back in any situation. Besides getting only 12 exposures (perhaps with no space between them and overlapping toward frames 9, 10, 11, & 12), film flatness will suffer as the pressure plate is made to accommodate the additional thickness of the paper on 120 film. Of course, in an emergency, creativity can prevail. I always carry a small changing bag with me. It comes in handy for checking backs for film (if you don't trust the red smiley) and you can also reset the frame counter if necessary. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:13:17 -0700 From: "Rod Leavitt" To: Subject: RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Message-ID: Thanks, I would like the information on setting the film (I'm using the A12n backs). I am interested in trying it to see how they come out. Also, I guess I don't know what the "plugs" are. Are they available through a Hasselblad rep? Do I install it, or does it take a rep.? -----Original Message----- From: Austin Franklin [mailto:darkroom@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:05 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > Can 220 be shot with a 120 back? It depends on what back. A 12 back, yes, with a plug in the frame viewing porthole...(but you need to understand how to position the film to start at frame 1, not a big deal...and I can provide that information if you like). A12, yes, but you only get 12 frames ;-) There is no way to reset the frame counter...since it only counts up to 12, and stops you from shooting any more, that would be a problem if you wanted 24 frames. Also, the pressure plate is different between the 12 and 24 backs...no whether you would see a difference, I can't say... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:38:28 -0700 From: "Daniel K. Lee" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: fungus in lens? Message-ID: why on earth would ebay be taboo? on 5/24/01 07:41, Colin Howarth at colin@howarth.de wrote: > Hello all. > > There's a 250 chrome lens on offer on ebay.com at the moment (item > 1239152577). > The owner has provided some nice pictures of the lens. On one of these > he points out a "very small mark". > > Does anyone notice anything else? > > BTW Is Ebay a taboo topic? > > Thanks, > > colin > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:59:15 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: Using 12 magazines for 220 - was: RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs Message-ID: Let me quote Q.G. Bakker quoting himself quoting Hasselblads original instructions (from 1965!): "The new 220 film has no protective backing paper and, therefore, no light must be allowed to leak in through the film window which must be made light-tight. The manufacturer has therefore made a light-tight plug which is fitted onto the film window, from inside the magazine, with the number "220" facing outwards. The magazine can also be sealed against light by affixing black tape across the film window. Like 120 film, the 220 film has an arrow going across the first paper section. But 220 film has no numbering system. It has, however, a dotted line, about 6" before the crosswise arrow and this dotted line is very important in connection with loading this film in the Hasselblad magazine. To obtain the best possible results in spacing between the negative frames, the manufacturer has prepared three sets of instructions for the three variations in construction of the Hasselblad Magazine 12 now on the market. LOADING INSTRUCTIONS Magazine Construction 1 (Nos 001 - 19,999) a) Thread the film in the usual manner onto the Hasselblad spool-holder. The protecting paper is drawn forward so that the dotted line comes to the center of the receiving spool, (see photo). b) After the spool-holder is inserted in the magazine, set the exposure-counter window at 1. c) Wind the film forwards 7 complete turns (14 half-turns). d) Expose 12 frames (no stop). e) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. f) Expose another 12 frames (no stop). Magazine Construction 2 (Nos. 20,000 - 64,399) a) Thread the film in the usual manner onto the Hasselblad spool-holder. The protecting paper is drawn forward so that the dotted line comes to the center of the receiving spool, (see photo). b) After the spool-holder is inserted in the magazine, set the exposure counter window at 1. c) Wind the film forwards, 10 complete turns (20 half-turns), or until the framenumber 8 begins to appear in the mechanism of the exposure-counter window. d) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. e) Expose 12 frames (until stop). f) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. g) Expose another 12 frames (until stop). Magazine Construction 3 (Nos. 64,400 - ) a) Thread the film in the usual manner onto the Hasselblad spool-holder. The protecting paper is drawn forward so that the dotted line comes to the center of the receiving spoof, (see photo). b) After the spool-holder is inserted in the magazine, set the exposure-counter window at 1. c) Wind the film forwards 9 complete turns (18 half-turns), or until framenumber 7 appears in the mechanism of the exposure-counter window. d) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. e) Expose 12 frames (until stop). f) Reset the exposure-counter window to 1. g) Expose another 12 frames (until stop). Loading in accordance with the above gives relatively good spacing results troughout. In the older magazines, that is Construction 1 and also Construction 2, it must be expected that certain frames, especially in the film-section 8-12, can overlap by a few millimeters. But spacing is better in the newest magazine, Construction 3. Regarding the loading of Magazine 16 and 16S which have manufacturing numbers below 204.200, these should be loaded in accordance with the instructions according to Magazine Construction 2; from manufacturing number 204.200 and above, according to Magazine Construction 3. In both cases, the resetting of the exposure-counter window is to be done after 16 exposures have been made." End quote. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Shane W Davis To: Subject: A12 minus 12 Message-ID: On my last few rolls, the twelfth frame is cut off. I haven't done anything differently, as far as I can tell. Am I in need of repair? There is a camera repair place near where I live; am I better off sending the thing to Hasselblad? (It's out of warranty now.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:41:12 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: A12 minus 12 Message-ID: <4.1.20010524094003.02223b90@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 12:27 PM 5/24/01 -0400, Shane W Davis wrote: >On my last few rolls, the twelfth frame is cut off. I haven't done >anything differently, as far as I can tell. Am I in need of repair? >There is a camera repair place near where I live; am I better off sending >the thing to Hasselblad? (It's out of warranty now.) > Just start sooner. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:39:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Shane W Davis To: Subject: Re: A12 minus 12 Message-ID: So the film advance will still work properly if I wind on about 8 times and start shooting before the "1" appears in the counter window? > > Just start sooner. > > Jim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:58:08 +0100 From: dancke@online.no To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: A12 minus 12 Message-ID: <200105241902.VAA29175@mail45.fg.online.no> In , on 05/24/01 at 12:39 PM, Shane W Davis said: >So the film advance will still work properly if I wind on about 8 times >and start shooting before the "1" appears in the counter window? >> >> Just start sooner. >> >> Jim >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you put the film in the mgazine and do not wind it on to the double arrow matches the mark on the film holder, but stop short sau 20 mm or 3/4" of this you sholud get the last part of your 12th picture on film, but the magazine really needs readjusting. I have done this mayself by hit and miss method many years ago but I dont remmber exactly hoe anymore. Possibly som nylon gears inside may be worn and need replacemnet. John Dancke P.O.Box 98 N-4379 Egersund - Norway ----------------------------------------------------------- Email: dancke@online.no ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:36:58 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: fungus in lens? Message-ID: <3B0D62D9.FD7B5561@rabiner.cncoffice.com> "Daniel K. Lee" wrote: > > why on earth would ebay be taboo? > > on 5/24/01 07:41, Colin Howarth at colin@howarth.de wrote: > > > Hello all. > > > > There's a 250 chrome lens on offer on ebay.com at the moment (item > > 1239152577). > > The owner has provided some nice pictures of the lens. On one of these > > he points out a "very small mark". > > > > Does anyone notice anything else? > > > > BTW Is Ebay a taboo topic? > > > > Thanks, > > > > colin > ON some lists, the Leica Users Group for instance it was decided to leave Ebay out of the picture. Why on earth would anyone want to do that!!!??? Because ebay is a world unto it's own which certain people find themselves very caught up in, others are very much not. From a standpoint of a lively forum a high level of "what about 1239152577?!" "do you think $2345 is too high for 12395839577?!" "do you believe how these people are going nuts on this 594874676 piece of crud!!?" "Gee i almost got 97487333 but was beat out at the last minute does anyone here have one i can get for real cheap?" Not everyone wants to be directed to auctioneering as part of their photographic "forum." Not everyone cares to be overwhelmed but the many material objects there are in the world with the words "Hasselblad" engraved on them. A little more empahsais on the USE of the pieces of gear we have would feel more comfortable Ebay mania is a reality. "I used the 150 for six months of last year but then traded it in for the 120 cause i hear it's sharper but really don't do much close-up work so a month later traded it in for a 100 an BOY does that have flat field but i think I'll just trade it in for a 180 does anyone know what i should have as a starting prince for it?" is the thing we want to NOT get into. And it certainly could be said that the high level of buying and selling that ebay has lead to with many people is not what photography is really about unless one is a collector and a collector at a frivolous level. Sure there are positive aspects of Ebay you want a rare no longer made Hassy item which B&H or whoever might not have. Why do we have to hear about it? People are buying and selling whole camera systems after using them for a month as they are having much more fun with having it out there then they are with the actual use of the tools (cameras) at hand. They'll come on to our list just to ask us what it's worth they have no real interest in the Hasselblad users group or Hasselblad. The problem is once you get your gear you are then supposed to use it. It's not the stock market. It's a craft. You buy your tools and you use them. It's that boring. I think it is not a hardship for us to talk about the great results we are getting from our gear and how we are going about improving our technique in using this gear. Not all the time how much can we get for it on a trade. The people on this list as i recall it are showing excellent restraint after a heated discussion a while back and no hard decision having been made. This has worked out fine. I'm sure if we start having our attention being often drawn to the world of ebay and it becomes objectionable Dan will lay down a rule on it which he finds appropriate. It is probably obvious where my position is on it. I try to see both sides of the issue but am a rabid anti ebay person. I just don't care to hear about it. I even am put off when my friends email me privatly and want me to look up a number and give them my opinion on it. I like to buy at a fair price from people i know. Turning the building of my Hasselblad system into a sick money game does not appeal to me. I'd rather pay MORE from a reputable dealer who i know and who knows me. I guess I've said it. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:34:54 -0700 From: "Mehrdad Sadat" To: Subject: RE: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: that hurts, just bought a 203 about two month ago!! _____________________________________ Thanks, Mehrdad -----Original Message----- From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [mailto:henryp@bhphotovideo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:39 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: price drop on 203FE body I received an e-mail yesterday from B&H's Hasselblad rep. He advises that the price of the 203FE body will be lowered. MAP, which was 5732.00 will become $3,175.00. I do not have an effective date, but I expect it to happen within a week or two. I do not yet know what the new "street" price will be. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:56:15 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: > I received an e-mail yesterday from B&H's Hasselblad rep. He advises that > the price of the 203FE body will be lowered. MAP, which was 5732.00 will > become $3,175.00. Sales slow, new models coming out, change of heart? What prompted this? What about the 205? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:35:27 -0700 From: "Daniel K. Lee" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: I wonder why they're dropping the price so much...could it soon be an orphan? on 5/24/01 13:34, Mehrdad Sadat at m.sadat@verizon.net wrote: > that hurts, just bought a 203 about two month ago!! > > > > _____________________________________ > Thanks, Mehrdad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [mailto:henryp@bhphotovideo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:39 AM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: price drop on 203FE body > > > I received an e-mail yesterday from B&H's Hasselblad rep. He advises that > the price of the 203FE body will be lowered. MAP, which was 5732.00 will > become $3,175.00. > > I do not have an effective date, but I expect it to happen within a week or > two. I do not yet know what the new "street" price will be. > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:44:03 -0700 From: David Gerhardt To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <200105250143.VAA14184@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> --Apple-Mail-1975456480-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Henry- Wow! Great news for 200 series users... maybe this will convince more folks to use the focal plane cameras (and perhaps further reduce the LENS prices). This certainly makes the 203 more competitive with other medium format offerings... and might also be an indication that Hasselblad is about to introduce a new high-end camera. Would anyone like to speculate about either: (a) a Hasselblad focal plane AUTOFOCUS camera?... or (b) a focal plane camera with an integral motor drive unit (that doesn't make the camera as bulky as an add-on winder, or a 555ELD type camera)? Normally, when manufacturers make this dramatic of a price reduction it means either a new model is about to be released (ie, clear out old stock), or that they are making a strategic decision to increase market share. If this new price actually is implemented on the current 203FE (and not just another stripped down version), it would make the camera a compelling option to all of the 500 series users that don't even consider the 203 now. An increase in the number of 203 users would also inspire Hasselblad & Zeiss to be more innovative with the "data bus" cameras and lenses. Thanks for the good news... even if it is currently just a rumor! -David Gerhardt (davidgerhardt@mindspring.com) On Thursday, May 24, 2001, at 06:38 AM, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > I received an e-mail yesterday from B&H's Hasselblad rep. He advises > that the price of the 203FE body will be lowered. MAP, which was > 5732.00 will become $3,175.00. > > I do not have an effective date, but I expect it to happen within a > week or two. I do not yet know what the new "street" price will be. > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com > --Apple-Mail-1975456480-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Henry- Wow! Great news for 200 series users... maybe this will convince more folks to use the focal plane cameras (and perhaps further reduce the LENS prices).=20 This certainly makes the 203 more competitive with other medium format offerings... and might also be an indication that Hasselblad is about to introduce a new high-end camera. Would anyone like to speculate about either: (a) a Hasselblad focal plane AUTOFOCUS camera?... or (b) a focal plane camera with an integral motor drive unit (that doesn't make the camera as bulky as an add-on winder, or a 555ELD type camera)?=20 Normally, when manufacturers make this dramatic of a price reduction it means either a new model is about to be released (ie, clear out old stock), or that they are making a strategic decision to increase market share. If this new price actually is implemented on the current 203FE (and not just another stripped down version), it would make the camera a compelling option to all of the 500 series users that don't even consider the 203 now. An increase in the number of 203 users would also inspire Hasselblad & Zeiss to be more innovative with the "data bus" cameras and lenses.=20 Thanks for the good news... even if it is currently just a rumor! Gill = Sans3535,4747,8787-David Gerhardt American = Typewriter(davidgerhardt@mindspring.com) On Thursday, May 24, 2001, at 06:38 AM, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: I received an e-mail yesterday from B&H's Hasselblad rep. He advises that the price of the 203FE body will be lowered. MAP, which was 5732.00 will become $3,175.00. I do not have an effective date, but I expect it to happen within a week or two. I do not yet know what the new "street" price will be. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com = --Apple-Mail-1975456480-1-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:24:47 -0400 From: Howard Blumenthal To: Subject: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: 1. No savings on film stock. 2. No savings on processing. 3. 120 film can be used in an A24 magazine. The spacing, however, becomes progressively wider toward the end of the roll, so the yield is only 11 images on a 120 roll when used in an A24 magazine. 4. Very minor issues related to film flatness and image quality. Best to use A24 with 120; A12 with 220. on 5/24/01 3:52 AM, Hasselblad at hasselblad@kelvin.net wrote: > hasselblad Thu, 24 May 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1236 > > In this issue: > > test > A "BIG warning > Re: A "BIG warning > RE: A "BIG warning > FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > Re: A "BIG warning > RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > Re: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > RE: FAQ?: 120 vs. 220 tradeoffs > frame spacing > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:16:46 +0200 > From: "Eduard Crombie" > To: "Hasselblad" > Subject: test > Message-ID: > > test sent on 23/05/01 at 20:17 > > I'm having mail server problems. Just checking if services are acting. > Sorry. > > Eduard Crombie > Dendermonde, Belgium. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:08:24 -0700 > From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: A "BIG warning > Message-ID: <3B0C50F8.6A56A0FB@worldnet.att.net> > > Del Hegland has done it again. He went bankrupt a couple of years ago > and took me for several thousand dollars. I was warned ahead of time, > but I told the person that Del could not do that to me in that I have > more or less financed his business. In that, I mean that bills that were > due in 30 days, I had to call and beg to get payment in 6 months. > > Well, yesterday, I got another notice that he is going bankrupt. I ask > each and every member of this group to not send him any money in any way > whatsoever, as it will be gone. > > Del likes to play the bight, and have all kinds of employees, a super > store, and advertise in Shutterbug. Then he likes to work off other > peoples money, like a pyramid scheme. > > Again, A BIG WARNING, DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY TO DEL'S CAMERA, as it will > be lost in the bankruptcy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:06:12 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: <3B0DCC24.418CEB94@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Howard Blumenthal wrote: > > 1. No savings on film stock. > 2. No savings on processing. > 3. 120 film can be used in an A24 magazine. The spacing, however, becomes > progressively wider toward the end of the roll, so the yield is only 11 > images on a 120 roll when used in an A24 magazine. > 4. Very minor issues related to film flatness and image quality. Best to use > A24 with 120; A12 with 220. > > Yes it's all silly but as my first and only back for many years was the A24 it was no fun with the spaced out 11 shots on my Panatomic X film. I was sure glad when i got a real A12 back for that stuff. I wish they still made a back for 35mm like every single other medium format modular system. They did when i first heard of hasselblad in the late 60's. And i always though id be doing that. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:16:58 -0700 From: "bradley hanson" To: , Subject: RE: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: Coincidentally, the new issue of Hasselblad FORUM shows an old prototype back that held 35mm for vertical panoramas. The entire issue is dedicated to the Hasselblad XPAN. b r a d l e y h a n s o n Seattle, WA http://www.hansonphotography.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Rabiner [mailto:mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:06 PM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs > > > Howard Blumenthal wrote: > > > > 1. No savings on film stock. > > 2. No savings on processing. > > 3. 120 film can be used in an A24 magazine. The spacing, > however, becomes > > progressively wider toward the end of the roll, so the yield is only 11 > > images on a 120 roll when used in an A24 magazine. > > 4. Very minor issues related to film flatness and image > quality. Best to use > > A24 with 120; A12 with 220. > > > > > > Yes it's all silly but as my first and only back for many years > was the A24 it > was no fun with the spaced out 11 shots on my Panatomic X film. > I was sure glad when i got a real A12 back for that stuff. > I wish they still made a back for 35mm like every single other > medium format > modular system. > They did when i first heard of hasselblad in the late 60's. And i > always though > id be doing that. > > Mark Rabiner > > Portland, Oregon > USA > > http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of > Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its > content. 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Rich photovillage.com 212-398-0402 (leave a message if I'm out...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:20:45 EDT From: BLADHASS@aol.com To: mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: <5a.16206909.283f53bd@aol.com> --part1_5a.16206909.283f53bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/24/01 8:05:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com writes: > I wish they still made a back for 35mm like every single other medium format > modular system. > They did when i first heard of hasselblad in the late 60's. And i always > though > id be doing that. > > Mark Rabiner > People do make a 35mm insert for the Hasselblad. One just sold on Ebay. Peter Peterson --part1_5a.16206909.283f53bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/24/01 8:05:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com writes:


I wish they still made a back for 35mm like every single other medium format
modular system.
They did when i first heard of hasselblad in the late 60's. And i always
though
id be doing that.

Mark Rabiner


People do make a 35mm insert for the Hasselblad. One just sold on Ebay.
Peter Peterson --part1_5a.16206909.283f53bd_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1237 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html