hasselblad Sat, 26 May 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1238 In this issue: Re: price drop on 203FE body Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Re: price drop on 203FE body Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Re: price drop on 203FE body Re: price drop on 203FE body Re: price drop on 203FE body Re: hasselblad V1 #1237 Re: price drop on 203FE body 203FE? For sale Re: price drop on 203FE body Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Re: price drop on 203FE body RE: 203FE? Non-shutter lenses RE: Non-shutter lenses RE: price drop on 203FE body Re: hasselblad V1 #1237 Trading Hasselblad for Digital - Was: RE: hasselblad V1 #1237 Re: Non-shutter lenses Re: Non-shutter lenses For Sale 5-25-01 For Sale 5-25-01 (forgot the 150) Re: Non-shutter lenses Re: 203FE? RE: 203FE? Re: Non-shutter lenses Re: 203FE? RE: 203FE? RE: 203FE? RE: 203FE? Re: Non-shutter lenses Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs FS: 5-25-01 501CM kit w/ many extras 5-25-01 501CM kit w/ many extras ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:44:31 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <000b01c0e507$b0156da0$75e7f1c3@qnu350> David Gerhardt wrote: >> Would anyone like to speculate about either: (a) a Hasselblad focal plane AUTOFOCUS camera?... or (b) a focal plane camera with an integral motor drive unit (that doesn't make the camera as bulky as an add-on winder, or a 555ELD type camera)? << How about a body that combines the metering options of both 203 and 205 bodies? That would be the perfect Hasselblad. I think many do prefer the add-on type motor. It offers choice, very important. But they should change the design to the one used on the 503 CW. They did for NASA's 203s, so why not for the rest of us? And how many of us need autofocus? Besides, imagine how much those AF-lenses will end up costing... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:54:54 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: , Subject: Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: <001901c0e509$230a0720$75e7f1c3@qnu350> Mark Rabiner wrote: > I wish they still made a back for 35mm like every single other medium format > modular system. > They did when i first heard of hasselblad in the late 60's. And i always though > id be doing that. You will still be able to get a 35 mm back from Hasselblad. They were offered as a special order item. Just ask info@hasselblad.se . Your memory however must be playing tricks with you, since there never were any 35 mm backs available until the mid 80s. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:54:18 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <014001c0e509$0c19d5e0$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> Why do you think the design of the Winder CW needs revision? I use mine all the time and, with the 45 degree finder, it has made an enormous difference to the handling and my personal use of the camera, whereby I will use it handheld a lot more often. I find the winder to be very ergonomic. Simon Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: > How about a body that combines the metering options of both 203 and 205 > bodies? That would be the perfect Hasselblad. > I think many do prefer the add-on type motor. It offers choice, very > important. But they should change the design to the one used on the 503 CW. > They did for NASA's 203s, so why not for the rest of us? > And how many of us need autofocus? Besides, imagine how much those AF-lenses > will end up costing... > David Gerhardt wrote: > > >> Would anyone like to speculate about either: (a) a Hasselblad focal plane > AUTOFOCUS camera?... or (b) a focal plane camera with an integral motor > drive unit (that doesn't make the camera as bulky as an add-on winder, or a > 555ELD type camera)? << ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:58:14 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: , Subject: Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: <001c01c0e509$9a6ee880$75e7f1c3@qnu350> bradley hanson wrote: > Coincidentally, the new issue of Hasselblad FORUM shows an old prototype > back that held 35mm for vertical panoramas. The entire issue is dedicated to > the Hasselblad XPAN. This 35 mm back has been taken beyond the prototype stage. It was offered for sale during the 80s, featuring in several Product Catalogues. It probably still is available from Hasselblad. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:26:05 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <00cb01c0e50d$7dce9500$75e7f1c3@qnu350> Simon Lamb wrote: > Why do you think the design of the Winder CW needs revision? I use mine all > the time and, with the 45 degree finder, it has made an enormous difference > to the handling and my personal use of the camera, whereby I will use it > handheld a lot more often. I find the winder to be very ergonomic. So do i ;-) I said they should change the design of the F-winder "to the one used on the 503 CW"! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:31:18 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <015e01c0e50e$370cea30$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> So you did! My apologies. Simon Q.G. de Bakker wrote: > So do i ;-) > I said they should change the design of the F-winder "to the one used on the > 503 CW"! > Simon Lamb wrote: > > > Why do you think the design of the Winder CW needs revision? I use mine > all > > the time and, with the 45 degree finder, it has made an enormous > difference > > to the handling and my personal use of the camera, whereby I will use it > > handheld a lot more often. I find the winder to be very ergonomic. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:46:52 -0400 (EDT) From: shino@ubspainewebber.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <200105251146.HAA26282@tigercat.pwj.com> do you use it with that little handstrap? it looks cute, but in my experience, the 503CW+Winder+Prism are just too heavy not to use a neckstrap. other than that, i agree--the winder cw itself makes the 5-series a whole new machine. -rei > From: "Simon Lamb" > > Why do you think the design of the Winder CW needs revision? I use mine all > the time and, with the 45 degree finder, it has made an enormous difference > to the handling and my personal use of the camera, whereby I will use it > handheld a lot more often. I find the winder to be very ergonomic. > > Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:01:46 EDT From: DvanAckere@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1237 Message-ID: As the price of a 203FE just dropped 45%, it's probable safe to assume that Hasselblad is 'price-protecting' its dealers, otherwise all the dealer's 203's in inventory will be $2300 losses. I recommend Mehrdad Sadat check back with his dealer and Hasselblad and see what they might be able to do for him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:05:03 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: , Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <018401c0e512$ee2be500$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> I do use the hand strap. Having used an F5 with 80-200 AFS lens, and now a Contax N1 with D10 databack and P9 vertical grip, the 503 does not seem heavy at all! I do prefer heavy cameras as I feel better able to use slower shutter speeds. Simon shino@ubspainewebber.com> wrote: > do you use it with that little handstrap? > it looks cute, but in my experience, the 503CW+Winder+Prism > are just too heavy not to use a neckstrap. > > other than that, i agree--the winder cw itself makes the 5-series a whole > new machine. > > -rei > > > From: "Simon Lamb" > > > > Why do you think the design of the Winder CW needs revision? I use mine all > > the time and, with the 45 degree finder, it has made an enormous difference > > to the handling and my personal use of the camera, whereby I will use it > > handheld a lot more often. I find the winder to be very ergonomic. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:13:20 EDT From: JBelen@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: 203FE? Message-ID: I would like to ask a very basic question, now that there is the pending price drop on the 203FE. I am a very happy owner of a 503CW and several lenses. What would be gained by stepping up to the 203FE? Would I have to dump my current lenses to get the most out of the 203FE? Thanks, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:20:12 -0700 From: bfranson@greennet.net (Bill Franson) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: For sale Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010525082012.007ff340@mail.greennet.net> For Sale: Hasselblad Series 60 to 67mm Stepping Ring $45 Hasselblad Lens Mounting Ring 67mm (for connecting 50mm C lens to previous collapsible Proshade) $37 Knob winder for 500c $? Filters: B+W 67mm 090 (light red) $22 B+W 67mm 061 (green) $22 B+W 67mm 022 (medium yellow) $22 B+W 67mm 081 (medium blue) $22 Hoya 67mm Polarizer $30 Tiffen 67mm ND 0.9 $10 Tiffen 67mm ND 0.6 $10 Tiffen 67mm 80a $10 Horizon 202 Russian 35mm Panoramic Camera complete with strap, filters, aux handle, Zenit bag, manuals in Russian and English like new $200 Leica M3 Every Ready case $25 Bill Franson 978.463.8100 http://www.bfranson.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: shino@ubspainewebber.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <200105251230.IAA26378@tigercat.pwj.com> i guess i'm just a 90-lb weakling. :-) -rei > From: "Simon Lamb" > > I do use the hand strap. Having used an F5 with 80-200 AFS lens, and now a > Contax N1 with D10 databack and P9 vertical grip, the 503 does not seem > heavy at all! I do prefer heavy cameras as I feel better able to use slower > shutter speeds. > > Simon > > shino@ubspainewebber.com> wrote: > > > do you use it with that little handstrap? > > it looks cute, but in my experience, the 503CW+Winder+Prism > > are just too heavy not to use a neckstrap. > > > > other than that, i agree--the winder cw itself makes the 5-series a whole > > new machine. > > > > -rei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:38:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Moore To: Subject: Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: > I wish they still made a back for 35mm like every single other medium > format modular system. Does anyone know of any third-party 35mm backs for the Hasselblad? Seems like a good idea. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:55:33 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: , Subject: Re: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: <01ec01c0e522$5e5966e0$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> Hey, carry some heavyweight gear and get building those muscles ;-) Simon shino@ubspainewebber.com wrote: > i guess i'm just a 90-lb weakling. :-) > > -rei > > > > From: "Simon Lamb" > > > > I do use the hand strap. Having used an F5 with 80-200 AFS lens, and now a > > Contax N1 with D10 databack and P9 vertical grip, the 503 does not seem > > heavy at all! I do prefer heavy cameras as I feel better able to use slower > > shutter speeds. > > > > Simon > > > > shino@ubspainewebber.com> wrote: > > > > > do you use it with that little handstrap? > > > it looks cute, but in my experience, the 503CW+Winder+Prism > > > are just too heavy not to use a neckstrap. > > > > > > other than that, i agree--the winder cw itself makes the 5-series a whole > > > new machine. > > > > > > -rei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:07:15 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: 203FE? Message-ID: > What would be gained by stepping up to the 203FE? Basically, a meter in the body. Yes, it's not "just" any old meter.... > Would I have to > dump my current lenses to get the most out of the 203FE? To get the most out of, yes, unfortunately. They did not make using non (C)FE lenses easy on the 205, and I am sure that holds with the 203. You have to either set compensation for your f-stop, or meter with the aperture pre-set set. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:27:14 EDT From: Texford1@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Non-shutter lenses Message-ID: <3f.15b3c996.283fc5c2@aol.com> Is it possible to use a non-shutter lenses like the F and CFE with the 500 CM body, I know that you can mount these lenses but how do you determine the shutter speed. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:33:27 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: Non-shutter lenses Message-ID: CFE has a shutter in the lense, the F doesn't, nor does the FE. The F and FE lenses can not be used on the 500 C/M because of the lack of central shutter. > > Is it possible to use a non-shutter lenses like the F and CFE > with the 500 CM > body, I know that you can mount these lenses but how do you determine the > shutter speed. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:35:28 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: RE: price drop on 203FE body Message-ID: > - > How about a body that combines the metering options of both 203 and 205 > bodies? That would be the perfect Hasselblad. Well, to some degree. Have you USED one of those damn cameras? There user interface needs some work... > Besides, imagine how much > those AF-lenses > will end up costing... Hell, they doubled the price of the lenses just to add four little electrical contacts! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: S Gardner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1237 Message-ID: <20010525161051.9052.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> FWIW, the local Big Dealers with whom I've spoken recently tell me Hasselblad sales have dropped precipitously in the last year. Don't know if that's consistent with Henry and Rich's experience, but these folks have no reason to lie to me. I recently attended a seminar at which David Ziser (well-known wedding photographer) spoke. He is/was a noted Hasselblad user and is now using a Kodak DCS760 for most of his work and praising the virtues of digital imaging. After the seminar, I asked him directly if he's ready to retire the Hasselblads and he answered "Reggie (Dennis, also a well-known wedding photographer) and I were just talking about that". End of answer. I persisted, asking if that means he's planning to use only digital in the future and he said, "That's certainly where the market is going". At that point, my wife poked me in the back and I desisted. Later, it occurred to me that Ziser and Reggie both are likely compensated endorsers of Hasselblad products and thus can't speak candidly in public about what they're doing. My theory: as pros continue to discover the benefits of shooting digital and of using autofocus, Hasselblad sales will continue to suffer until the company offers viable options for those technologies. They've already lost LOTS of market share over the year to Mamiya over pricing issues and now continue to lose on technology issues. And yes, I know about the $15K+ backs. When a very sellable 30x40 can be made with a D1/S1/D30 (all AF, of course) that costs less than $6K with lens, *most* folks aren't going to spend a lot more for a Hasselblad. That said, all the formal groups I'll shoot at a wedding this Saturday will be made with Hasselblad cameras, Zeiss lenses and Portra film. The film will be processed and scanned by a ProShots lab and available to our customers in both analog and digital formats. I still see a clear advantage in using film for shooting large groups for prints that will sell in large sizes. Even the best of 'em don't yet have enough pixels for that. YET. All the foregoing is IMO. I know we've discussed this previously in other threads. Your mileage may vary. Scott Gardner > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:56:15 -0400 > From: "Austin Franklin" > To: > Subject: RE: price drop on 203FE body > Message-ID: > > > I received an e-mail yesterday from B&H's Hasselblad rep. He > advises that > > the price of the 203FE body will be lowered. MAP, which was 5732.00 > will > > become $3,175.00. > > Sales slow, new models coming out, change of heart? What prompted > this? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:53:09 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: Trading Hasselblad for Digital - Was: RE: hasselblad V1 #1237 Message-ID: > When a very sellable 30x40 can be made > with a D1/S1/D30 (all AF, of course) that costs less than $6K with > lens, *most* folks aren't going to spend a lot more for a Hasselblad. How do you arrive at that conclusion? Those sensor arrays are 2k x 3k (6M), which even at 180DPI, gives you a print of only 11x17, and that's pretty low resolution... Yes, you can use GF or something like that, and they do an "ok" job but still, no comparison to the image you get from a Hasselblad... How can you expect a camera that uses 35mm lenses (and even a smaller imaging area!) to even come close to MF quality especially with enlargements of the size you are talking about? Even the best 35mm film, which has FAR greater resolution than these digital cameras does, can't make a 30x40 that compares with a 30x40. And this doesn't scratch the color resolution issue... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:52:36 EDT From: Digiratidoc@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Non-shutter lenses Message-ID: In a message dated 05/25/2001 9:33:51 AM Central Daylight Time, darkroom@ix.netcom.com writes: << CFE has a shutter in the lense, the F doesn't, nor does the FE. The F and FE lenses can not be used on the 500 C/M because of the lack of central shutter. >> I have heard that one can use the rear baffle in the 500 series bodies as a 1/4 sec shutter with any lens. You would have to use slow film and stop down a bit ;) Jim Laird ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:34:44 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Non-shutter lenses Message-ID: <4.1.20010525143245.022885d0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 03:52 PM 5/25/01 -0400, Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > >I have heard that one can use the rear baffle in the 500 series bodies as a >1/4 sec shutter with any lens. You would have to use slow film and stop down >a bit ;) > >Jim Laird Talk about a recipe for camera shake during the 1/4 sec exposure... The mirror and those flaps all hitting just as the 1/4 sec exposure starts... Not a good idea! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:45:42 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: HUG Subject: For Sale 5-25-01 Message-ID: <4.1.20010525143718.02284100@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> Hasselblad 60 CF f/3.5 Distagon, caps, Ex+, perfect glass and mechanisms, shows only slight wear from use. A great lens but I have a 50 CFi so I never use this lens. $1500. Hasselblad CW Winder, Demo, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, unregistered US warranty, etc. Used only a very few times. $675. On everything... 10 day return privilege, I pay FedEx to US locations. Jim Brick 408-970-2533 (work - week day 8am - 6pm) 408-247-0312 (home - evenings, weekends, holidays) jim@brick.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:47:39 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: HUG Subject: For Sale 5-25-01 (forgot the 150) Message-ID: <4.1.20010525144625.02292400@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> Hasselblad 150 CFi f/4.0 Sonnar, LN, used once, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, etc. USA warranty good until August 2002. $1800. Hasselblad 60 CF f/3.5 Distagon, caps, Ex+, perfect glass and mechanisms, shows only slight wear from use. A great lens but I have a 50 CFi so I never use this lens. $1400. Hasselblad CW Winder, Demo, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, unregistered US warranty, etc. Used only a very few times. $650. On everything... 10 day return privilege, I pay FedEx to US locations. Jim Brick 408-970-2533 (work - week day 8am - 6pm) 408-247-0312 (home - evenings, weekends, holidays) jim@brick.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:49:10 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Non-shutter lenses Message-ID: <001001c0e564$aee7efe0$22dbf1c3@qnu350> Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > I have heard that one can use the rear baffle in the 500 series bodies as a > 1/4 sec shutter with any lens. You would have to use slow film and stop down > a bit ;) And what would be timing this 1/4 sec shutter speed? It all depends on how good you and your fingers are. Better not use the rear shutter as main/only shutter for any exposures shorter than 1 second. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:24:53 -0700 From: David Gerhardt To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 203FE? Message-ID: <200105252236.SAA09668@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> --Apple-Mail-256041546-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 05:13 AM, JBelen@aol.com wrote: > I would like to ask a very basic question, now that there is the pending > price drop on the 203FE. I am a very happy owner of a 503CW and several > lenses. What would be gained by stepping up to the 203FE? Would I have > to > dump my current lenses to get the most out of the 203FE? > Thanks, > Jack Jack- The answer is "it depends"! If you just recently bought your 503, and have the newer (CFE) lenses, you could use those existing lenses with full automation. With my 203, I'm using 3 lenses; 40cfe, 80cfe, & 150cf. The 40 & 80 function with full automation; as if they were "FE" lenses. The 150cf is older, and simply needs to be stopped down. This does require an extra step, but it's not a big deal on a Hasselblad (focus, stop down, meter, shoot...). And you can always add FE lenses in the future. The inherent flexibility of the camera is what drove me to the 203. I can use C, CF, CFE, CFi, F, or FE lenses. It also has some very "nice" additional features, like the ability to make multiple exposures without removing the film back, a self-timer (not on newer 500 bodies without additional hardware), and some very sophisticated options for metering (manual, aperture priority, and a "differential" indication of the exposure for checking the range of exposures in a scene). Some of the more esoteric features are a little difficult to remember (true for most new electronic cameras), but overall it is an extremely capable photographic tool. In order to fully appreciate the capabilities of a camera like the 203, I'd advise any prospective owner to read the corresponding section of Wildi's book, or (even better) order the manual from Hasselblad. I ordered an extra one; I think it was only $5. This would be a VERY wise investment in understanding the capabilities and limitations of the camera (whether or not the price drops several thousand dollars). -David Gerhardt (davidgerhardt@mindspring.com) --Apple-Mail-256041546-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 05:13 AM, JBelen@aol.com wrote: I would like to ask a very basic question, now that there is the pending=20 price drop on the 203FE. I am a very happy owner of a 503CW and several=20 lenses. What would be gained by stepping up to the 203FE? Would I have to=20 dump my current lenses to get the most out of the 203FE? Thanks, Jack Jack- The answer is "it depends"! If you just recently bought your 503, and have the newer (CFE) lenses, you could use those existing lenses with full automation. With my 203, I'm using 3 lenses; 40cfe, 80cfe, & 150cf. The 40 & 80 function with full automation; as if they were "FE" lenses. The 150cf is older, and simply needs to be stopped down. This does require an extra step, but it's not a big deal on a Hasselblad (focus, stop down, meter, shoot...). And you can always add FE lenses in the future. The inherent flexibility of the camera is what drove me to the 203. I can use C, CF, CFE, CFi, F, or FE lenses. It also has some very "nice" additional features, like the ability to make multiple exposures without removing the film back, a self-timer (not on newer 500 bodies without additional hardware), and some very sophisticated options for metering (manual, aperture priority, and a "differential" indication of the exposure for checking the range of exposures in a scene). Some of the more esoteric features are a little difficult to remember (true for most new electronic cameras), but overall it is an extremely capable photographic tool.=20 In order to fully appreciate the capabilities of a camera like the 203, I'd advise any prospective owner to read the corresponding section of Wildi's book, or (even better) order the manual from Hasselblad. I ordered an extra one; I think it was only $5. This would be a VERY wise investment in understanding the capabilities and limitations of the camera (whether or not the price drops several thousand dollars). Gill = Sans3535,4747,8787-David Gerhardt American = Typewriter(davidgerhardt@mindspring.com)= --Apple-Mail-256041546-1-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:57:54 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: 203FE? Message-ID: > you could use those existing lenses with full automation. With my 203, I'm using 3 > lenses; 40cfe, 80cfe, & 150cf. The 40 & 80 function with full automation; as if > they were "FE" lenses. Pretty much true, but the CFE lenses don't transfer the shutter information to the body, so in manual mode, if you are using the shutter in the lense, it works differently than the FE lenses, it works just like the CF lenses... > I can use C, CF, CFE, CFi, F, or FE lenses. How do you use the CF and F lenses? Do you keep the aperture stopped-down, and meter from there, or use compensation...or just shoot wide open all the time ;-) > I'd advise any prospective owner to read the corresponding section of Wildi's book IMO, it's incomplete...WRT the F and CF(E) lense support ;-/ > or (even better) order the manual from Hasselblad. Great suggestion! Though one thing I found out, was there is just so much you can get from a manual, without actually having the camera to use... Experience is certainly the best teacher. Perhaps renting one for a day might be a good idea? I'm really glad I got my 205, and with the FE lenses, it really works great, the CFE lenses almost great... I was a bit disappointed with the handling of the F and CF lenses...but they are certainly 'usable'. I ended up getting all (C)FE lenses for the ones I used the most, simply because I don't like aperture stop-down focusing, or having to adjust the compensation (though that solution is very usable). Also, to use the internal meter (or I should say to SEE the internal meter) you have to have the magnifier of the WLF up...not near as easy to see as on the Rollei 6008... For the price the 203FE now is at, it's really quite attractive. Like someone else said, I wish one body had both spot and average metering... If you use a prism all the time, you might consider a 200xFC/W with the PME-45 prism...though you don't get the automatic modes, it's a lot cheaper solution, given how cheap the F series lenses are now! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 01:01:08 +0200 From: Colin Howarth To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Non-shutter lenses Message-ID: <3B0EE447.E05620C6@howarth.de> Jim Brick wrote: At 03:52 PM 5/25/01 -0400, Digiratidoc@aol.com wrote: > >I have heard that one can use the rear baffle in the 500 series bodies as a > >1/4 sec shutter with any lens. You would have to use slow film and stop down > >a bit ;) > > Talk about a recipe for camera shake during the 1/4 sec exposure... The > mirror and those flaps all hitting just as the 1/4 sec exposure starts... How about pre-releasing, and then removing and quickly replacing the lens cap? colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:22:05 -0700 From: David Gerhardt To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 203FE? Message-ID: <200105252321.TAA28030@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> --Apple-Mail-567597334-5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 03:57 PM, Austin Franklin wrote: >> you could use those existing lenses with full automation. With my 203, >> I'm using 3 >> lenses; 40cfe, 80cfe, & 150cf. The 40 & 80 function with full >> automation; as if >> they were "FE" lenses. > > Pretty much true, but the CFE lenses don't transfer the shutter > information > to the body, so in manual mode, if you are using the shutter in the > lense, > it works differently than the FE lenses, it works just like the CF > lenses... {Actually, they work EXACTLY like FE lenses; ie, the FE lenses have no internal shutter, so they don't transfer information either. I think what you were getting at is that if you want to use the INTERNAL shutter, then the metering has an additional complication. This is true, but if you use the FOCAL PLANE shutter primarily (as you would with an FE lens), it is irrelevant. I use the two CFE lenses as if they were "FE", and look at the internal shutter as a "high-speed strobe sync" extra benefit... In which case I'd probably use a hand-held meter anyway} >> I can use C, CF, CFE, CFi, F, or FE lenses. > > How do you use the CF and F lenses? Do you keep the aperture > stopped-down, > and meter from there, or use compensation...or just shoot wide open all > the > time ;-) {The operative word here is that I "can" use (as in additional flexibility). For the CF lens I "do" stop down the aperture (as I mentioned in my original posting). However, you're correct that if the light is dim, you can just "shoot wide open" ;-) } > >> I'd advise any prospective owner to read the corresponding section of >> Wildi's book > > IMO, it's incomplete...WRT the F and CF(E) lense support ;-/ Agree! It's just a little easier to find the book. > >> or (even better) order the manual from Hasselblad. > > Great suggestion! Though one thing I found out, was there is just so > much > you can get from a manual, without actually having the camera to use... > Experience is certainly the best teacher. Perhaps renting one for a day > might be a good idea? I'm really glad I got my 205, and with the FE > lenses, > it really works great, the CFE lenses almost great... > > I was a bit disappointed with the handling of the F and CF lenses...but > they > are certainly 'usable'. > I ended up getting all (C)FE lenses for the ones I > used the most, simply because I don't like aperture stop-down focusing, > or > having to adjust the compensation (though that solution is very usable). > Also, to use the internal meter (or I should say to SEE the internal > meter) > you have to have the magnifier of the WLF up...not near as easy to see > as on > the Rollei 6008... > > For the price the 203FE now is at, it's really quite attractive. Like > someone else said, I wish one body had both spot and average > metering... If > you use a prism all the time, you might consider a 200xFC/W with the > PME-45 > prism...though you don't get the automatic modes, it's a lot cheaper > solution, given how cheap the F series lenses are now! > -David Gerhardt (davidgerhardt@mindspring.com) --Apple-Mail-567597334-5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 03:57 PM, Austin Franklin wrote: you could use those existing lenses with full automation. With my 203, I'm 0000,0000,DEB7using 3 lenses; 40cfe, 80cfe, & 150cf. The 40 & 80 function with full automation; 0000,0000,DEB7as if they were "FE" lenses. Pretty much true, but the CFE lenses don't transfer the shutter information to the body, so in manual mode, if you are using the shutter in the lense, it works differently than the FE lenses, it works just like the CF lenses... 0000,0000,DEB7 {Actually, they work EXACTLY like FE lenses; ie, the FE lenses have no internal shutter, so they don't transfer information either. I think what you were getting at is that if you want to use the INTERNAL shutter, then the metering has an additional complication.=20 This is true, but if you use the FOCAL PLANE shutter primarily (as you would with an FE lens), it is irrelevant. I use the two CFE lenses as if they were "FE", and look at the internal shutter as a "high-speed strobe sync" extra benefit... In which case I'd probably use a hand-held meter anyway} 0000,0000,DEB7 I can use C, CF, CFE, CFi, F, or FE lenses. How do you use the CF and F lenses? Do you keep the aperture stopped-down, and meter from there, or use compensation...or just shoot wide open all the time ;-) {The operative word here is that I "can" use (as in additional flexibility). For the CF lens I "do" stop down the aperture (as I mentioned in=20 my original posting). However, you're correct that if the light is dim, you can just "shoot wide open" ;-) = }0000,0000,DEB7 I'd advise any prospective owner to read the corresponding section of 0000,0000,DEB7Wildi's book IMO, it's incomplete...WRT the F and CF(E) lense support ;-/ Agree! It's just a little easier to find the book. 0000,0000,DEB7 or (even better) order the manual from Hasselblad. Great suggestion! Though one thing I found out, was there is just so much you can get from a manual, without actually having the camera to use... Experience is certainly the best teacher. Perhaps renting one for a day might be a good idea? I'm really glad I got my 205, and with the FE lenses, it really works great, the CFE lenses almost great... I was a bit disappointed with the handling of the F and CF lenses...but they are certainly 'usable'. I ended up getting all (C)FE lenses for the ones I used the most, simply because I don't like aperture stop-down focusing, or having to adjust the compensation (though that solution is very usable). Also, to use the internal meter (or I should say to SEE the internal meter) you have to have the magnifier of the WLF up...not near as easy to see as on the Rollei 6008... For the price the 203FE now is at, it's really quite attractive. Like someone else said, I wish one body had both spot and average metering... If you use a prism all the time, you might consider a 200xFC/W with the PME-45 prism...though you don't get the automatic modes, it's a lot cheaper solution, given how cheap the F series lenses are now! Gill = Sans3535,4747,8787-David Gerhardt American = Typewriter(davidgerhardt@mindspring.com)= --Apple-Mail-567597334-5-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:28:50 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: 203FE? Message-ID: >>>you could use those existing lenses with full automation. With my 203, I'm using 3 >>>lenses; 40cfe, 80cfe, & 150cf. The 40 & 80 function with full automation; as if >>>they were "FE" lenses. >> Pretty much true, but the CFE lenses don't transfer the shutter information >> to the body, so in manual mode, if you are using the shutter in the lense, >> it works differently than the FE lenses, it works just like the CF lenses... > {Actually, they work EXACTLY like FE lenses; ie, the FE lenses have no internal shutter, > so they don't transfer information either. > I think what you were getting at is that if you want to use the INTERNAL shutter, then > the metering has an additional complication. Not only was that what I was getting at, but it's why I said "if you are using the shutter in the lense"... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:29:06 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: RE: 203FE? Message-ID: <4.1.20010525163236.02294ad0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 06:57 PM 5/25/01 -0400, Austin Franklin wrote: > >Pretty much true, but the CFE lenses don't transfer the shutter information >to the body, so in manual mode, if you are using the shutter in the lense, >it works differently than the FE lenses, it works just like the CF lenses... > >How do you use the CF and F lenses? Do you keep the aperture stopped-down, >and meter from there, or use compensation...or just shoot wide open all the >time ;-) > The nice thing about the 203 & 205 is that is a sophisticated focal plane Hasselblad and ALSO allows you to use non FE lenses. It was made for FE lenses that contain no shutter. So it stands to reason that the electronics were not set-up to recognize the C shutter. The CFE lenses were introduced as it would be silly to redesign a very successful existing product (40CF) as a 40FE lens. So the 40CFE lens is a 40 FE lens that happens to also retain the C shutter and a method of using it. Or it is a 40CF lens with an added lens aperture data bus to make it a 40CFE. With the 80FE/80CFE, since most Hasselblads are sold with one, they could see that it was silly to make two identical lenses, one with and one without a C shutter. So add a databus to the 80CF and made it a CFE. The bottom line is that the primary intent of the 203 & 205 is as focal plane cameras made for FE lenses. The added bonus of being able to use the C shutter in all other lenses is frosting on the cake. Remove the battery from a 203 or 205 and you have a 501. A fully functional mechanical Hasselblad camera able to use all lenses, backs, adapters, accessories that a 501 can use. Try that with an electronic Contax, Mamiya, or Bronica (I assume they all have electronic versions.) I have had battery failures in the field. All of my lenses except the 110FE are CFi and CFE lenses. I usually use my 100CFi in the field rather than my 110FE. I also always carry a Gossen Luna Pro Digital meter in my pocket. A 25 degree angle of acceptance for the reflected mode make it a great meter to augment the 203 built-in meter. And its incident mode is vert accurate. Many times, after meticulously setting up, you need to take a reading in some direction other than where the camera is pointing. The Gossen is perfect for this and is matches my 203 meter exactly. With this meter and CF/CFi/CFE lenses, we don't need no stinkin camera battery... ;) Coming back on topic, I use the built-in meter in my 203FE 80% of the time. It is very accurate and using it with the 40CFE, 80CFE, and 110FE lenses is Nirvana. On a tripod with Velvia, I am usually down in the mud for shutter speeds. 1 sec - 1/30 sec. I use polarizers much of the time. In these cases, I always use the C shutter in my lenses and use my 100 rather than my 110 lens. Metering with CF/CFi/CFE lenses in the C mode is really simple. When metering, leave the lens wide open, that is, do not activate the DOF preview. Take a meter reading. The shutter speed given in the camera display will be what you would use at maximum aperture. Simply set this speed on the shutter speed ring opposite maximum aperture on the aperture ring. Now use the aperture/shutter ring lock button to select the shutter/aperture combo that you want to use. Just use the shutter reading that you get in the display as if it were an EV reading like you get from a prism meter. But instead of setting a little red arrow to the EV number, set the displayed shutter speed opposite the maximum aperture. Same thing as EV only labeled differently. So to use a 203 or 205 in C mode, you simply operate like it is a 501 substituting shutter speed for EV and the max aperture position for the little red arrow. Simple. The 203 and 205 cameras are magnificent cameras that are pretty much backward compatible all the way back to the beginning. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:24:10 -0400 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: 203FE? Message-ID: > At 06:57 PM 5/25/01 -0400, Austin Franklin wrote: > > > >Pretty much true, but the CFE lenses don't transfer the shutter > information > >to the body, so in manual mode, if you are using the shutter in > the lense, > >it works differently than the FE lenses, it works just like the > CF lenses... > > > > It was made for FE lenses that contain no shutter. So it stands to reason > that the electronics were not set-up to recognize the C shutter. Hasselblad discontinued the FE series 80, and the CFE is the standard replacement. I believe it would have been simple to just have the body read the shutter speed of the CFE shutter (they already have an encoder on the aperture, so why not on the shutter speed too?), when using the shutter in the lense. Then it would operate in Manual Mode just like it does with the FE lense. Instead, you have to put the body into one of the automatic modes...but it's actually manual...and the display tells you "set" and shutter speed. The point is, they COULD have made it work exactly like the FE lense in manual mode, I believe, with so little forethought and effort. Perhaps the additional encoder for the shutter speed is somehow difficult, though when speaking with people at the factory about this issue, they didn't indicate it was difficult, the response was they just hadn't thought of it. > The bottom line is that the primary intent of the 203 & 205 is as focal > plane cameras made for FE lenses. The added bonus of being able to use the > C shutter in all other lenses is frosting on the cake. Though true, the frosting is a bit 'unrefined'. I don't believe they had to make it so obtuse to use the CFE and especially the F lenses. Hasselblad lense catalog, p. 29 "indicates the lense features databus connections which transmit lens data to the exposure metering systems of the 200 series camera models", and the 80 CFE is so designated. I think it's reasonable to believe shutter speed IS part of "lens data", though apparently, for Hasselblad, is it not, and they did not qualify it there. > and 110FE lenses is Nirvana. I certainly agree with that. That lense is the primary reason I got into the 200x series bodies in the first place, years ago. > Metering with CF/CFi/CFE lenses in the C mode is really simple.... That ONLY works for using the shutter in the lense, NOT for using the FP shutter with those lenses, and that methodology does not work with the F series lenses. There are no teeth in the shutter speed ring for the F series lenses to couple with in the new 20x cameras. > The 203 and 205 cameras are magnificent cameras that are pretty much > backward compatible all the way back to the beginning. It is a magnificent camera, I have never said otherwise, but I believe they did not think things through very well with the user interface WRT F and CFE lenses. "pretty much" backwards compatible, I guess, but Hasselblad removed the aperture/shutter coupling for the "F" lenses (and FE), which makes them more difficult to use. You have to use some "tricks" if you don't want to use the aperture pre-set, like setting compensation either with the film speed dial, or using the compensation in some of the automatic modes. Now that I've updated my primary lenses to FE or CFE lenses, it works just fine (except my one CFE complaint), but I really didn't like that they made it so 'user hostile' toward the F series lenses... I also didn't like that I had to spend thousands of dollars to update my lenses, even to keep the same functionality I had with the 2003 (coupled shutter/aperture). I don't believe that the problems with the F series lenses are obvious, at least they weren't obvious to me. I believe it's reasonable to have assumed that they would have left the coupling teeth...especially since the new FE lenses STILL have them! Jim, did you have any F series lenses before you bought the 203? If not, then you wouldn't have run into this issue with using F lenses on the new bodies. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:49:24 +0800 From: "Stein" To: Subject: Re: Non-shutter lenses Message-ID: <000801c0e58b$4ea49e40$18b237cb@oemcomputer> Dear Friends, Easy solution to the slow shutter speed. Cap the lens with your hat, open the rear curtains, flap your hat, and then close the curtains. Works with my 1880 Beck lens on a field camera and if it is at a banquet you have time to fire off a hand flash to illuminate the diners before you close down. Use a black hat. Uncle Dick PS: I noted the interview with the wedding pro who was going digital but speaking discretely about it. You should read some of the pro literature around here. Discrete has been deleted in favour of desperate. I get the feeling that the editors are riding round the herd firing their guns into the air in an effort to start a stampede. Exactly how far you can stampede a small studio is a moot point if the prices start at $ 17,000 and head upwards. I for one welcome it. Actully I don't. Yes I do. No I don't. Oh, hell, I don't know what I think. I have a large investment in a Hasselblad system and a large format system and a 35mm system. I have a moderate investment in a darkroom system. I have 35 years invested in finding out what to do with the damn stuff and I am just now succeeding in doing it. So far I have not succumbed to either lust or colour developer fumes. Actually I'm only half-right there.... If the biz goes 110% digital and every bride and dancer and toy airplane enthusiast wants instant web-wide display and a multi-media album waiting at the end of the kissy line when the bride comes out of the church, I am going to be sunk, as I don't think I can afford to spend the money that will be needed for the reequippage and I don't think my day job will give me the time to retrain the digits*. Bad vibes. If the biz goes 110% etc. and the local pros all rush off and dump their Hasselblad and other gear on the market to try to keep up I might be able to add all the lenses and accessories I have covetted. Good vibes. What I need to do is panic the profession whilst soothing the punters. Any suggestions? * Ain't it ironic. The day job is done with sharpened chisels, forceps, and a needle and thread.The closest thing I get to technology is the hydraulic hoist on the operating table and the electric light. When in doubt, pull it out, or at least break off the bit that you can reach and suture over the rest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:27:21 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: "Q.G. de Bakker" Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: FAQ: 120 vs. 220 Tradeoffs Message-ID: <3B0F30A9.327901B4@rabiner.cncoffice.com> "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: > > Mark Rabiner wrote: > > > I wish they still made a back for 35mm like every single other medium > format > > modular system. > > They did when i first heard of hasselblad in the late 60's. And i always > though > > id be doing that. > > You will still be able to get a 35 mm back from Hasselblad. They were > offered as a special order item. Just ask info@hasselblad.se . > I remember having a family argument with my dad on a cross country road trip in the late 60's. I was saying the Hasselblad I'd get one day (I was a late teen) would be better than his Contarex bulls eye as i could just shoot 35mm if i ever wanted to with it with it's 35mm back. (That i had indubitably heard of) He of course tried to tell me how a camera designed for a medium format image circle might not be so great in a 35mm image circle but I'd hear none of it. This was definitely the 60's this discussion had to have taken place as in the 70's no more family road trips. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:11:46 -0700 From: "Anthony Ferraro" To: "Hasselblad Usenet" Subject: FS: 5-25-01 501CM kit w/ many extras Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0E567.B0348CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am selling the following setup. Please e-mail me with any questions at= tony247@msn.com >501Cm kit/ 80CB with cap/ A12/ WL finder---bought new 7/00, still like n= ew >Kiev meter prism/ new spot meter version >55mm extension tube---very good >Vivatar 2X teleconverter---very good---glass flawless---both caps >Tiffen B60 UV filter---no marks, very clean >Cokin B60 adapter/ filter holder/ 5 filters: yellow, warming, black net,= Grad. nuetral density 2 stop, and pastel =20 >New style Tripod quick coupler S >Vivatar 283 flash with synch cord(with pocket bounce), and one vivatar 2= 73 >Stroboframe flash bracket (quick flip. Don't know model number) >12" cable release and a hassy 45 degree cable release adaptor >Large Kipling shoulder bag(green) that can hold everything and room for = much more >>>Last but not least is a new Britek 500ws monolight with synch and powe= r cords, 8.5' stand, and 45" silver umbrella I want to sell everything together in one shot, so please don't ask how m= uch for any 1 individual item. I'll pay FedEx to anywhere in the lower 4= 8. (you pay actual insurance charges though, if desired) This is a great deal, perfect for someone who wants a nice little home st= udio setup. Will sell for $3000... So basically for the price of a new = 501CM kit alone you get the kit plus much more. =20 God Bless, Tony ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0E567.B0348CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am selling t= he following setup.  Please e-mail me with any questions at tony247@msn.com
 
>501Cm kit/ 80CB with cap/ A12/ WL finder---bought new 7/00, still li= ke new
>Kiev meter prism/ new spot meter version
>55mm extension tube---very good
>Vivatar 2X teleconver= ter---very good---glass flawless---both caps
>Tiffen B60 UV= filter---no marks, very clean
>Cokin B60 adapter/ filter h= older/ 5 filters: yellow, warming, black net, Grad.    nue= tral density 2 stop, and pastel
>New style Tripod quick co= upler S
>Vivatar 283 flash with synch cord(with pocket boun= ce), and one vivatar 273
>Stroboframe flash bracket (quick = flip.  Don't know model number)
>12" cable release and= a hassy 45 degree cable release adaptor
>Large Kipling sho= ulder bag(green) that can hold everything and room for much more
>>>Last but not least is a new Britek 500ws monolight with sy= nch and power cords, 8.5' stand, and 45" silver umbrella
 = ;
 
I want to sell everything together in one = shot, so please don't ask how much for any 1 individual item.  I'll = pay FedEx to anywhere in the lower 48.  (you pay actual insurance ch= arges though, if desired)
 
This is a great de= al, perfect for someone who wants a nice little home studio setup. &= nbsp;Will sell for $3000...  S= o basically for the price of a new 501CM kit alone you get the kit p= lus much more. 
 
God Bless,
=  
Tony
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0E567.B0348CC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:22:41 -0700 From: "Anthony Ferraro" To: "Hasselblad Usenet" Subject: 5-25-01 501CM kit w/ many extras Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C0E569.36CE7240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am selling the following setup. Please e-mail me with any questions at= tony247@msn.com >501Cm kit/ 80CB with cap/ A12/ WL finder---bought new 7/00, still like n= ew >Kiev meter prism/ new spot meter version >55mm extension tube---very good >Vivatar 2X teleconverter---very good---glass flawless---both caps >Tiffen B60 UV filter---no marks, very clean >Cokin B60 adapter/ filter holder/ 5 filters: yellow, warming, black net,= Grad. nuetral density 2 stop, and pastel =20 >New style Tripod quick coupler S >Vivatar 283 flash with synch cord(with pocket bounce), and one vivatar 2= 73 >Stroboframe flash bracket (quick flip. Don't know model number) >12" cable release and a hassy 45 degree cable release adaptor >Large Kipling shoulder bag(green) that can hold everything and room for = much more >>>Last but not least is a new Britek 500ws monolight with synch and powe= r cords, 8.5' stand, and 45" silver umbrella I want to sell everything together in one shot, so please don't ask how m= uch for any 1 individual item. I'll pay FedEx to anywhere in the lower 4= 8. (you pay actual insurance charges though, if desired) This is a great deal, perfect for someone who wants a nice little home st= udio setup. Will sell for $3000... So basically for the price of a new = 501CM kit alone you get the kit plus much more. =20 God Bless, Tony
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I am selling t= he following setup.  Please e-mail me with any questions at tony247@msn.com
 
>501Cm kit/ = 80CB with cap/ A12/ WL finder---bought new 7/00, still like new
>Kiev meter prism/ new spot meter version
>55mm extens= ion tube---very good
>Vivatar 2X teleconverter---very good-= --glass flawless---both caps
>Tiffen B60 UV filter---no mar= ks, very clean
>Cokin B60 adapter/ filter holder/ 5 filters= : yellow, warming, black net, Grad.    nuetral density 2 s= top, and pastel
>New style Tripod quick coupler S
>Vivatar 283 flash with synch cord(with pocket bounce), and one viv= atar 273
>Stroboframe flash bracket (quick flip.  Don'= t know model number)
>12" cable release and a hassy 45 degr= ee cable release adaptor
>Large Kipling shoulder bag(green)= that can hold everything and room for much more
>>>L= ast but not least is a new Britek 500ws monolight with synch and power co= rds, 8.5' stand, and 45" silver umbrella
 
&nb= sp;
I want to sell everything together in one shot, so please = don't ask how much for any 1 individual item.  I'll pay FedEx to any= where in the lower 48.  (you pay actual insurance charges though, if= desired)
 
This is a great deal, perfect for = someone who wants a nice little home studio setup.  Will sell for $3000...  So basically for = the price of a new 501CM kit alone you get the kit plus much more.&n= bsp;
 
God Bless,
 
Tony


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