hasselblad Sun, 3 Jun 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1246 In this issue: RE: Pro Shots Tour Mark's new format RE: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? Re: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? 150, 160 or 180 for wedding candids? Re: 150, 160 or 180 for wedding candids? Re: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? RE: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 08:02:52 -0700 From: "bradley hanson" To: Subject: RE: Pro Shots Tour Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0EB3A.6CA420A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter- There are tons of things that ProShots would simplify for me, however, the selection of supported films is limited. When I saw their seminar last year, it was Kodak color films and the only B&W film was the dreadful T400CN. If they including processing of real B&W film, it would be an extremely attractive package, and a MAJOR time saver! The only thing missing is that a lot of clients still prefer to have us help them with album layout, rather than to make selections off the web. This is, of course, one of the reasons why wedding photography is so time intensive; there's a great deal of interaction with the couple before and after the wedding... -Bradley b r a d l e y h a n s o n Seattle, WA http://www.hansonphotography.com -----Original Message----- From: BLADHASS@aol.com [mailto:BLADHASS@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:04 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Pro Shots Tour Anybody on the newsgroup been to the ProShots Tour. I just saw one in Seattle, wow they have some great things going on. If you are a wedding or portrait photographer you need to get on the ProShots band wagon. Peter Peterson ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0EB3A.6CA420A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi=20 Peter-

There=20 are tons of things that ProShots would simplify for me, however, the = selection=20 of supported films is limited. When I saw their seminar last year, it = was Kodak=20 color films and the only B&W film was the dreadful T400CN. If they = including=20 processing of real B&W film, it would be an extremely attractive = package,=20 and a MAJOR time saver! The only thing missing is that a lot of clients = still=20 prefer to have us help them with album layout, rather than to make = selections=20 off the web. This is, of course, one of the reasons why wedding = photography is=20 so time intensive; there's a great deal of interaction with the = couple=20 before and after the wedding...

-Bradley

b r a d l e y h a n s o n
Seattle, WA
http://www.hansonphotography.c= om

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Peter=20 Peterson ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0EB3A.6CA420A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:20:25 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Mark's new format Message-ID: <3B1966A9.904B637E@rabiner.cncoffice.com> I need my photographic life simplified not complicated but yesterday at Hasselblad day at Pro Photo i picked up an old 16S back for 120 bucks!! I've been dying to shoot superslide squares my whole life it seems and now i get the chance to do it on a regular basis! I already had a nice Plexiglas screen to put in my viewfinder from the Hasselblad mask set that so i dropped it right in there. By the way it's not 45 x 45 but i measured 41.5 does anyone know what the official measurement is? I have an A16 back which i often use with the 60x30 mask but i never felt like i could always just cut it down to a square. For me that just doesn't cut it. Most my shots i like the back borders. So now when i look at my groundglass I've got framelines to look around just like on my most used system, my Leica m's! My set of lenses have been transformed. I've had the old standard 50 80 150 for years. Just replaced the 150 with the new 120 with my 50 my horizontal angle of few now is 45 degrees! That's about the same as my first lens ever. The 45mm GN for my Nikon F2 in the early early 70's! (within one degree the 45 has a 44 degree angle) Or a 150 on a 4x5! I think shooting this way is going to be a pleasure despite my 50 Distagon CF. being not light in weight. The angle of view i get with my lighter brighter 80 is 29 degrees. The same as the 110 on the Hasselblad on 6x6. A nice focal length for people as many, Jim and Austin included seem to feel. For studio promotional head shots to three quarter shots with 100 speed films i can see this working out real well. 16 on a roll. Delta 100 doesn't come in 220 anyway. (Maybe for a client you are giving a discount too!) That would be close to the same as using a 75 or 80 with 35mm or a 240 with 4x5! But the 20 degrees i now get from the 120 almost but not quite turns it into a 150 which is 21 degrees. I thought it would give me a 180! Sorry. Just thinking out loud! Love those frame lines! 16 on a roll! Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:26:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Monaghan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? Message-ID: Thanks for the update, Frank - the older backs really were #12 backs, viz: page 381 Freytag, H. The Hasselblad Way, revised edition, fifth ed. "The cameras were used with No. 12 magazines loaded with Ektachrome reversal colour film or Plus X black and white film. These were special thin-base materials loaded without backing paper so that one magazine held enough film for about 60 exposures. The capacity of the No. 12 magazine was thus almost that of a normal 70mm magazine but with very much less weight and bulk. The special thin base facilitated operation in vacuum conditions where normal film bases are liable to change their physical characteristics. This fact is important also when the cameras are used alternately outside and in normal air pressure inside the spacecraft. The same special thin films were used in the Apollo 8 spacecraft. The camera this time, however, was the 500EL with magazines taking up to 200 shots. Three cameras and seven magazines were taken, specially prepared for ease of operation by gloved astronauts." These are some of my favorite photos (apollo 8 series) so guess the thin base didn't hurt resolution or quality ;-) Since many medium format systems _don't_ have 70mm film backs, it would seem to be interesting to have an option for using thin base films with cameras so as to provide many more exposures, since that is often cited as a limitation of medium format cameras (12 exposures etc.). On the other hand, I "discovered" the 13th shot on a roll of 120 trick in Wildi in an older edition in the library, so if you don't have trikadecaphobia (sp?) - fear of 13 - then you can get a bit of an improvement that way ;-) still, the idea of being able to roll up 60 shots and shoot continuously on any of my medium format cameras (with resettable counters?) is intriguing... grins bobm * Robert Monaghan POB752182 Dallas Tx 75275-2182 rmonagha@mail.smu.edu * * Third Party 35mm Lenses: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/third/index.html * * Medium Format Cameras: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/index.html megasite* On Thu, 31 May 2001, Frank Filippone wrote: > I think the back that used the this based film was a 70/200 back.... It uses > thin based film ( estar?) to hold up to 200 exposures of 70mm perf film.... > but not in cassettes. The film was loaded onto special cores. > > Film types were reportedly specially brewed by Kodak for NASA. UV sensitive > ( the 105 UV lens is from this same application), special Ektachromes, etc.. > > Back was sold to the public through the scientific part of Hasselblad....May > still be available. > > They came in black and chrome finish. > > Frank Filippone > red735i@earthlink.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 01:07:35 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? Message-ID: <000c01c0ebb8$d14454c0$37eff1c3@qnu350> Robert Monaghan wrote: > Thanks for the update, Frank - the older backs really were #12 backs, viz: No, they weren't. They wouldn't work used in this way. In fact, these backs were not a Hasselblad product at all. They were produced by Cine Mechanics, from Los Angeles, California (at least they are marked as such). There is a nice picture of Apollo 7 astronaut Walter Cunningham taking notes while such a back is floating in front of him. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Moore To: Subject: 150, 160 or 180 for wedding candids? Message-ID: I'll be shooting some wedding candids this summer at several weddings and I am probably going to rent either a 150, 160 or 180 lens for the 501cm, with a PM45 finder. 150 seems to be a popular length for weddings, and I'm used to 85mm in 35mm format for this application, but sometimes I'd like a little more reach such as what I'd get from the 180. Concerns: - weight, especially since I'd be doing this handheld, with flash and prism finder mounted too - depth of field: for candids is this getting rather shallow? My candids typically are compositions with 2 or 3 people in a group, showing waist and up. - 150 supposedly has less contrast than the 180. For people subjects this might be good. But how much is "less"? I figure I can always dial in more contrast when I make the prints. - sharpness: with handheld shooting am I likely to still see differences in sharpness between the 150 and 180 (and 160 for that matter...) One of the reasons for shooting MF instead of 35mm is for the image quality, but I don't need it to be super sharp. Prints will typically be 8x10 to 11x14. I'll be using 400 speed film. My gut feeling is to go with the 150/4 CFi but I'd like to hear what others have to say, especially if you have experience in this area, and with 150/160/180. --Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 16:37:41 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 150, 160 or 180 for wedding candids? Message-ID: <3B1978C4.2D412B24@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Andrew Moore wrote: > > I'll be shooting some wedding candids this summer at several weddings and > I am probably going to rent either a 150, 160 or 180 lens for the 501cm, > with a PM45 finder. > > 150 seems to be a popular length for weddings, and I'm used to 85mm in > 35mm format for this application, but sometimes I'd like a little more > reach such as what I'd get from the 180. Concerns: > > I've shot a lot of Hasselblad wedding and specialize in candids. If i had a choice between a 150, 160 or 180 for wedding candids I'd pick the 100. :) I've almost NEVER used my 150 at weddings although i always of course bring it. To get a shot from the balcony. PLENTY of weddings it never once went on the camera my long lens was the 80 and when things got close I'd use the 50. We'll see how much i use my new 120 in a wedding Ill do in July but in my experience you can't be far off from what you shoot in a wedding. You have to be right there. People get between you and them if you do. Wedding shots are a tad more intimate believe it or not. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 01:47:52 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? Message-ID: <006701c0ebbe$7173c520$37eff1c3@qnu350> Robert Monaghan wrote: > "The same special thin films were used in the Apollo 8 spacecraft. The > camera this time, however, was the 500EL with magazines taking up to 200 > shots. Three cameras and seven magazines were taken, specially prepared > for ease of operation by gloved astronauts." > > These are some of my favorite photos (apollo 8 series) so guess the thin > base didn't hurt resolution or quality ;-) By the way, lest anyone should misunderstand what Freytag is saying: the magazines taken on the Apollo 8 trip were all Hasselblad 70 mm backs. Not "No. 12" (sic) backs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:44:52 -0700 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Subject: RE: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? Message-ID: <006b01c0ebc6$666ac860$0201a8c0@Workgroup> I wish I could say I am not old enough to remember the first Mercury shot..... but I have no excuses..... I defer to Mr. Freytag...... Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Robert Monaghan [mailto:rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 3:26 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: thin film base 60 shots in 12 back? Thanks for the update, Frank - the older backs really were #12 backs, viz: page 381 Freytag, H. The Hasselblad Way, revised edition, fifth ed. "The cameras were used with No. 12 magazines loaded with Ektachrome reversal colour film or Plus X black and white film. These were special thin-base materials loaded without backing paper so that one magazine held enough film for about 60 exposures. The capacity of the No. 12 magazine was thus almost that of a normal 70mm magazine but with very much less weight and bulk. The special thin base facilitated operation in vacuum conditions where normal film bases are liable to change their physical characteristics. This fact is important also when the cameras are used alternately outside and in normal air pressure inside the spacecraft. The same special thin films were used in the Apollo 8 spacecraft. The camera this time, however, was the 500EL with magazines taking up to 200 shots. Three cameras and seven magazines were taken, specially prepared for ease of operation by gloved astronauts." These are some of my favorite photos (apollo 8 series) so guess the thin base didn't hurt resolution or quality ;-) Since many medium format systems _don't_ have 70mm film backs, it would seem to be interesting to have an option for using thin base films with cameras so as to provide many more exposures, since that is often cited as a limitation of medium format cameras (12 exposures etc.). On the other hand, I "discovered" the 13th shot on a roll of 120 trick in Wildi in an older edition in the library, so if you don't have trikadecaphobia (sp?) - fear of 13 - then you can get a bit of an improvement that way ;-) still, the idea of being able to roll up 60 shots and shoot continuously on any of my medium format cameras (with resettable counters?) is intriguing... grins bobm * Robert Monaghan POB752182 Dallas Tx 75275-2182 rmonagha@mail.smu.edu * * Third Party 35mm Lenses: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/third/index.html * * Medium Format Cameras: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/index.html megasite* On Thu, 31 May 2001, Frank Filippone wrote: > I think the back that used the this based film was a 70/200 back.... It uses > thin based film ( estar?) to hold up to 200 exposures of 70mm perf film.... > but not in cassettes. The film was loaded onto special cores. > > Film types were reportedly specially brewed by Kodak for NASA. UV sensitive > ( the 105 UV lens is from this same application), special Ektachromes, etc.. > > Back was sold to the public through the scientific part of Hasselblad....May > still be available. > > They came in black and chrome finish. > > Frank Filippone > red735i@earthlink.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. 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