question about 500 EL/M

hasselblad Tue, 3 Jul 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1276 In this issue: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Re: more helpful wisdom side of A12 back is loose Re: side of A12 back is loose Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question RE: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Darkslide and light seal? Re: Darkslide and light seal? Re: Darkslide and light seal? question about 500 EL/M RE: question about 500 EL/M Re: question about 500 EL/M load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Re: question about 500 EL/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:59:23 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: <008101c102f6$d10c2910$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C102FF.329E3670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have seen some excellent close-up images taken with the 120 MP. I was = looking at the Hasselblad web site and it states that the reproduction = ration is 1:4.5. To save me looking at all the lenses on the site, = which Hasselblad lenses can get a 1:1 ratio without the need for = extension tubes etc? Thanks. Simon ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C102FF.329E3670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have seen some excellent close-up = images taken=20 with the 120 MP. I was looking at the Hasselblad web site and it = states=20 that the reproduction ration is 1:4.5. To save me looking at all = the=20 lenses on the site, which Hasselblad lenses can get a 1:1 ratio without = the need=20 for extension tubes etc?

Thanks.

Simon

------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C102FF.329E3670-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:12:02 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: <000501c102f8$971ba1c0$fde7fea9@qnu350> Simon Lamb wrote: >> I have seen some excellent close-up images taken with the 120 MP. I was looking at the Hasselblad web site and it states that the reproduction ration is 1:4.5. To save me looking at all the lenses on the site, which Hasselblad lenses can get a 1:1 ratio without the need for extension tubes etc? << None. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:20:51 +0200 From: Per =?ISO-8859-1?B?1g==?=fverbeck To: Subject: Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: None. The (discontinued?) 135 mm was made for use on the bellows, and this combo could be used from infinity to 1:1, but nothing else did, and certainly no "naked" lens ever made for the =B4Blad system. In fact, none will even beat the 120 ratio. Per > Fr=E5n: "Simon Lamb" > Svara till: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Datum: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:59:23 +0100 > Till: > =C4mne: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question >=20 > I have seen some excellent close-up images taken with the 120 MP. I was > looking at the Hasselblad web site and it states that the reproduction ra= tion > is 1:4.5. To save me looking at all the lenses on the site, which Hassel= blad > lenses can get a 1:1 ratio without the need for extension tubes etc? >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Simon >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:07:48 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: <009701c10300$5ff9bc10$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> So my 70-300 Vario Sonnar on the macro setting which gives me a 1:4 ratio is a bit better then (other than it is not a medium format lens). This is strange bevause the look of some of the images taken with the 120 MP look like they are 1:2 or 1:1, and I cannot see any indication in the descriptions that extension tubes were used. I was looking at the flower images on Danny Burke's website which he took with a Contax 645 and the 120 MP. Does this version of the MP lens have a beter reproduction ratio? Simon Per Öfverbeck wrote: > None. > > The (discontinued?) 135 mm was made for use on the bellows, and this combo > could be used from infinity to 1:1, but nothing else did, and certainly no > "naked" lens ever made for the ´Blad system. In fact, none will even beat > the 120 ratio. > > Per > > > Från: "Simon Lamb" > > Svara till: hasselblad@kelvin.net > > Datum: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:59:23 +0100 > > Till: > > Ämne: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question > > > > I have seen some excellent close-up images taken with the 120 MP. I was > > looking at the Hasselblad web site and it states that the reproduction ration > > is 1:4.5. To save me looking at all the lenses on the site, which Hasselblad > > lenses can get a 1:1 ratio without the need for extension tubes etc? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Simon > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:10:56 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: <00bd01c10300$cfce1f40$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> I thank you for your usual succinct and entirely accurate answer (geared towards saving bandwidth!) ;-) Simon Q.G. de Bakker wrote: > > None. > > Simon Lamb wrote: > > >> I have seen some excellent close-up images taken with the 120 MP. I was > looking at the Hasselblad web site and it states that the reproduction > ration is 1:4.5. To save me looking at all the lenses on the site, which > Hasselblad lenses can get a 1:1 ratio without the need for extension tubes > etc? << ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:30:12 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: more helpful wisdom Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010702102958.04e3caf0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:38 AM 06/30/2001, you wrote: > > the light trap for the darkslide. Well, to make it short, this piece wears > > out and if not replaced each year in your back you may discover a dreadful > >Every YEAR? I've heard about the light seal needing to be replaced >every now and then; it seems like a common problem (is this the same >part?), but does it really need to be replaced this frequently or is it >one of those "your mileage may vary" sorts of things? I think every decade is more common. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:49:49 -0400 From: Michael Waldron To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: side of A12 back is loose Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010702104411.03e19830@vipmail.earthlink.net> Dear HUG- I noticed recently that the non-insert side of one of my backs (the side with the winding crank) is loose, so that a slight gap along the edge has opened up (I just hold the side tight when winding). To date, there has been no light leak. However, I could not find a screw to tighten it, so I assume that the screw is underneath the leatherette. Before taking that off, I thought I would ask if I should have the back repaired professionally (i.e. there is a rivet or something hard to fix) or if there is a simple screw that needs tightening underneath. Thanks for any help you can provide. Michael Waldron michael@cadogan.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 07:53:07 -0700 From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: side of A12 back is loose Message-ID: <3B408AD3.522BADFE@worldnet.att.net> Michael Waldron wrote: > > Dear HUG- > > I noticed recently that the non-insert side of one of my backs (the side > with the winding crank) is loose, so that a slight gap along the edge has > opened up (I just hold the side tight when winding). To date, there has > been no light leak. However, I could not find a screw to tighten it, so I > assume that the screw is underneath the leatherette. Before taking that > off, I thought I would ask if I should have the back repaired > professionally (i.e. there is a rivet or something hard to fix) or if there > is a simple screw that needs tightening underneath. > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > Michael Waldron > michael@cadogan.net Stick your fingernail under one corner of the leather and pull the leather off. On the side plate, you will see 3 screws. Tighten them and put the leather back on. Forget the overpriced hatchet repair people. -- _______________________________ Dick Werner 112 South Brighton St. Burbank, Ca., 91506 (818) 845-4667 helenadick@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~blackbird711/manual.txt _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:14:18 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: <015401c10312$0c1d0e50$890a0a0a@phoenixdb.co.uk> OK, I have seen that the 120 Makro Planar for the Contax 645 does go to 1:1 without the need for tubes. Oh well guess we Hassy users can't have everything. Simon Lamb wrote: SNIP: > > I was looking at the flower images on Danny Burke's website which he took > with a Contax 645 and the 120 MP. Does this version of the MP lens have a > better reproduction ratio? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:21:07 -0700 From: "Hanson Photography" To: Subject: RE: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: It was a gorgeous lens, too. I used to shoot the Contax 645, and the 120 Macro is the only lens I miss. It focused much closer than my 'Blad 120 and the bokeh was better for portraits. b r a d l e y h a n s o n SEATTLE www.hansonphotography.com 206.937.8510 > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@sclamb.com] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:14 AM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question > > > OK, I have seen that the 120 Makro Planar for the Contax 645 does > go to 1:1 > without the need for tubes. Oh well guess we Hassy users can't have > everything. > > > Simon Lamb wrote: > SNIP: > > > > I was looking at the flower images on Danny Burke's website > which he took > > with a Contax 645 and the 120 MP. Does this version of the MP > lens have a > > better reproduction ratio? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of > Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its > content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor > Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. > Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:16:50 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 120 CFi Makro-Planar question Message-ID: <3B40AC82.3FBE0614@rabiner.cncoffice.com> "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: > > Simon Lamb wrote: > > >> I have seen some excellent close-up images taken with the 120 MP. I was > looking at the Hasselblad web site and it states that the reproduction > ration is 1:4.5. To save me looking at all the lenses on the site, which > Hasselblad lenses can get a 1:1 ratio without the need for extension tubes > etc? << > > None. This was only common in macro lenses for AF 35mm camera in the last dozen years. Before that 1:2 was common with either a tube or in the case of Leica a front Dioptor of multiple elements. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:18:44 -0400 From: "cyclist2"@strato.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Darkslide and light seal? Message-ID: <200107021918.PAA22490@green.strato.net> My darkslide has some small dents in it. Might this cause some light leakage? I have no idea of the history of the back and body because I bought it used, but I always get light streaked photos, or the film is clear when developed. In fact I stopped using the hassie because of this. Maybe replace the light seal and darkslide? It's an EL/M. Anne Bellenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:41:45 -0400 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: Darkslide and light seal? Message-ID: <014c01c1032f$0b2d29e0$230a210a@dulles> Anne, If the dark slide seal is bad, you can hold it up to the light and see this problem. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <"cyclist2"@strato.net> To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Darkslide and light seal? > My darkslide has some small dents in it. Might this cause some light > leakage? I have no idea of the history of the back and body because I > bought it used, but I always get light streaked photos, or the film is > clear when developed. In fact I stopped using the hassie because of > this. Maybe replace the light seal and darkslide? > It's an EL/M. > > Anne Bellenger > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:35:22 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: , Subject: Re: Darkslide and light seal? Message-ID: <007301c10336$86e8b700$a5a3fea9@qnu350> "cyclist2"@strato.net wrote: > My darkslide has some small dents in it. Might this cause some light > leakage? I have no idea of the history of the back and body because I > bought it used, but I always get light streaked photos, or the film is > clear when developed. In fact I stopped using the hassie because of > this. Maybe replace the light seal and darkslide? > It's an EL/M. Darkslides have two indents along the side where the handle is to help is "lock" into position when inserted. Any other dent is "extra" ;-) Light streaked photos usually are caused by a worn light seal. You can have that replaced. Clear, or unexposed film (assuming it is negative film we're talking about) can have several causes, but in this case perhaps is linked to you forgetting to pull the darkslide before exposing film, coupled with a faulty blocking mechanism. The camera should not be able to operate when the darkslide still is inserted. This mechanism is operated by the darkslide itself, so maybe the slide is to blame? On old, non-automatic backs, the darkslide needs only to be pulled out a small amount to unblock the camera while still covering the film gate, making it possible to get an entire roll of blanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:45:22 +0200 From: Etienne Delacretaz To: Subject: question about 500 EL/M Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3076958722_682538 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable bonjour all, what does it mind the 3 letters: up: =B3L=B2 center: =B3O=B2 down: =B3T=B2 on the side of the camera ? I work with an old 500, and I just buy this one with motor, thanks for your attention, the best for all, etienne, --B_3076958722_682538 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable question about 500 EL/M bonjour all,

what does it mind the 3 letters:
up: “L”
center: “O”
down: “T”
on the side of the camera ?

I work with an old 500,
and I just buy this one with motor,

thanks for your attention,
the best for all,
etienne, --B_3076958722_682538-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:53:49 +0200 From: "Eduard Crombie" To: Subject: RE: question about 500 EL/M Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10349.DBB2AB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by riker.skynet.be id f62KseO16477 question about 500 EL/MLoad (battery) Operate (camera) Time (exposure) Eduard -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Delacretaz [mailto:ed@tineo.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:45 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: question about 500 EL/M bonjour all, what does it mind the 3 letters: up: =93L=94 center: =93O=94 down: =93T=94 on the side of the camera ? I work with an old 500, and I just buy this one with motor, thanks for your attention, the best for all, etienne, ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10349.DBB2AB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable question about 500 EL/M

Load=20 (battery)

Operate=20 (camera)

Time=20 (exposure)

Eduard

-----Original Message-----
From: Etienne Delacretaz = [mailto:ed@tineo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:45=20 PM
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: question = about 500=20 EL/M

bonjour all,

what = does it=20 mind the 3 letters:
up: “L”
center: = “O”
down: “T”
on the side of=20 the camera ?

I work with an old 500,
and I just buy this one = with=20 motor,

thanks for your attention,
the best for=20 all,
etienne, ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10349.DBB2AB20-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:02:20 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: question about 500 EL/M Message-ID: <00bf01c1033a$4a21cc40$a5a3fea9@qnu350> question about 500 EL/MEtienne Delacretaz wrote: > what does it mind the 3 letters: > up: "L" > center: "O" > down: "T" > on the side of the camera ? L = Lock. The camera is locked, or turned off (it isn't really, there's only a small lever blocking the release mechanism. So keep pressure off the release button, or your battery will run down). O = On, or Ordinary. You can operate the camera normally. T = Time. Moving the switch to T will release the camera, and keep it in this state until you return the lever to the O setting. This is the same as B-settings on other cameras, except that you don't need to keep the release depressed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:44:44 +0200 From: Etienne Delacretaz To: Subject: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3076962284_896773 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable thanks a lot for yours so fast responses, but when I need to charge the camera, I must put on =B3L=B2 or not ? tanks for your attention, etienne, --B_3076962284_896773 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? thanks a lot for yours so fast responses,
but when I need to charge the camera,
I must put on “L” or not ?

tanks for your attention,
etienne,
--B_3076962284_896773-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:17:49 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Message-ID: <3B40F30C.466EA4E9@rabiner.cncoffice.com> thanks a lot for yours so fast responses, but when I need to charge the camera, I must put on 3L2 or not ? tanks for your attention, etienne, No you don't need to. I never do. There may be some advantage to doing it though i recall reading in the book that came with my camera in 1980. It makes sure there is no battery drain where ever that would come from. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 00:20:09 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Message-ID: <00d501c10345$29669520$a5a3fea9@qnu350> load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ?Etienne Delacretaz wrote: > thanks a lot for yours so fast responses, > but when I need to charge the camera, > I must put on "L" or not ? Either "L" or "O" position will be good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 00:25:21 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Message-ID: <00e401c10345$e31f7180$a5a3fea9@qnu350> Q.G. de Bakker wrote: > > thanks a lot for yours so fast responses, > > but when I need to charge the camera, > > I must put on "L" or not ? > > Either "L" or "O" position will be good. One small addendum: when loading the camera after it has stopped mid cycle, the switch must be in "L" position. Otherwise either position will do. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:39:22 -0700 From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: load or lock for the " L" of the 500 EL/M ? Message-ID: <3B41224A.169925FB@worldnet.att.net> Etienne Delacretaz wrote: > > thanks a lot for yours so fast responses, > but when I need to charge the camera, > I must put on “L” or not ? > > tanks for your attention, > etienne, When charging an EL/ELM, you always put the little lever on lock (L). If you do not, you can burn some circutry. A word to the wise. -- _______________________________ Dick Werner 112 South Brighton St. Burbank, Ca., 91506 (818) 845-4667 helenadick@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~blackbird711/manual.txt _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:50:24 EDT From: QWhoZeiss@aol.com To: qnu@worldonline.nl, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: question about 500 EL/M Message-ID: Get Ermst Wildi's books the Hasselblad Way -- and all your question will be answered. From the PRO, and not from just anyone. On the net. ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1276 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html