hasselblad Wed, 11 Jul 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1284 In this issue: Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" Street People and the good doctor Street People Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" Re: Approaching "street people" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:08:09 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010710100320.00b2c1f0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:54 AM 07/10/2001, you wrote: >I think there is more to the story than this. I've had hundreds of news >photographs published, and never once requested a model release from the >folks. My best understanding is that if the person is on public property, >or even at an event open to the public, one is welcome to photograph them, >produce hundreds of thousands of copies, and sell them on the corner. About 7-8 years ago the NYTimes ran a full length photo of a black man in a business suit descending the steps in front of a Wall Street bank. The picture was the front cover of their Sunday Magazine section, and the image illustrated an article about strides black Americans had made into the corporate world of banking and investments. The photographed individual was not a model and did not know he'd been photographed until the paper was on the newstands. He sued and won. While a model release is not necessary in a spot news situation, what defines "spot news" may be open to the interpretation of your local judiciary. When the movie of the original Woodstock event was released one of the scenes showed co-ed nude bathers. One of the men sued -- he was bathing with a woman other than his wife. He too won and the scene was excised. When in doubt, a model release is always a useful idea. Otherwise, your lawyer may make more on your image than you do. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:10:13 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010710100908.05128b10@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:54 AM 07/10/2001, you wrote: >What if the child is in a public place, doing something newsworthy (e.g. >throwing a beer bottle at the President)? Do you mean a real president, or that Texan who was inadvertently appointed president by the Supreme Court? (My opinion, not my employer's) hp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:35:04 -0700 From: "Roger Beamon" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <3B4AB028.18525.78C84F@localhost> On 10 Jul 2001, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote, at least in part: > Do you mean a real president, or that Texan who was inadvertently > appointed president by the Supreme Court? (My opinion, not my > employer's) That has no place on the list, Henry. Though maybe not your employer's opinion, it is enough for me to take my business elsewhere. -- Roger, List-Owner The LEG (Leica Enthusiasts Mailing List) http://www.topica.com/lists/leica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:33:09 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010710072834.01cd3410@pop.alink.net> At 10:10 AM 7/10/01 -0400, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: >At 03:54 AM 07/10/2001, you wrote: >>What if the child is in a public place, doing something newsworthy (e.g. >>throwing a beer bottle at the President)? > >Do you mean a real president, or that Texan who was inadvertently >appointed president by the Supreme Court? >(My opinion, not my employer's) > >hp When I think of B&H, I think of you, as you are the only human that I know associated with B&H. Your statement above was not only inappropriate for the Hasselblad Users Group, but it is unfortunate in that it will taint my decision each time I think about ordering something from B&H. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: shino@ubspainewebber.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <200107101505.LAA10371@tigercat.pwj.com> i'll agree with the others, this is inappropriate--and surprising. i'll attribute it to a momentary lapse in prudence. -rei At 10:10 AM 7/10/01 -0400, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > >Do you mean a real president, or that Texan who was inadvertently >appointed president by the Supreme Court? >(My opinion, not my employer's) > >hp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:19:03 -0500 From: "Ken Hurst" To: Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <003201c10953$a7a18300$a230080a@pavilion> It would be my guess that a significant number of people on this list would be conservative and perhaps a few are Texans. Ken Hurst Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" | At 03:54 AM 07/10/2001, you wrote: | >What if the child is in a public place, doing something newsworthy (e.g. | >throwing a beer bottle at the President)? | | Do you mean a real president, or that Texan who was inadvertently appointed | president by the Supreme Court? | (My opinion, not my employer's) | | hp | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. | | Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. | | To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad | Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm | Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:31:50 -0400 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010710113150.00a3fb40@POP6.sympatico.ca> And let's try and let this thread die out, quickly. thanks, Dan Cardish/List Administrator At 11:05 AM 10-07-01 -0400, shino@ubspainewebber.com wrote: >i'll agree with the others, this is inappropriate--and surprising. >i'll attribute it to a momentary lapse in prudence. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:02:43 -0700 From: "Ms. Finn" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Street People and the good doctor Message-ID: Now where has our very own Uncle Dick gone to? I'm sure he has some insight(s) into photographing homeless veterans and shooting the president... Ms. Finn Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:27:37 -0400 From: "Peter Klosky" To: Subject: Street People Message-ID: <009c01c10987$249cdf20$230a210a@dulles> Thanks for all the discussion of the topic of using a person's image. I, for one, have enjoyed the topic, and find it has set me to thinking. Thanks to the help of the list members, I'm seeing that there is a difference in illustrative vs. commercial use. I've bookmarked the link to research on this topic, and did find a tidbit on the Arrington v. New York Times case. It isn't clear who won how much against whom at this writing, or who paid the lawyers. I would include the text referring to this case, but it is copyrighted, so I include a link and the case name. Peter http://lawyers.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.rcfp.org/pho toguide/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:24:19 EDT From: QWhoZeiss@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <12d.1375828.287ce8a3@aol.com> At a major league baseball game, just try to sell a photo you made from the stands. Read the back of the ticket . They own everything you are only renting the seat your in. Then you get into major league traid mark ownership. I'ts better to stay at home and see the game on TV. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:49:30 EDT From: BLADHASS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: <92.17391509.287d0aaa@aol.com> --part1_92.17391509.287d0aaa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/01 4:25:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, QWhoZeiss@aol.com writes: > At a major league baseball game, just try to sell a photo you made from the > stands. Read the back of the ticket . They own everything you are only > renting the seat your in. Then you get into major league traid mark > ownership. That's to bad I have a great picture of the new Safeco Field sign in Seattle, WA. I got it in just perfect evening light. Looks better then the postcards they sell. Peter Peterson --part1_92.17391509.287d0aaa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/01 4:25:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
QWhoZeiss@aol.com writes:


At a major league baseball game, just try to sell a photo you made from the
stands.  Read the back of the ticket .  They own everything you are only
renting the seat your in.  Then you get into major league traid mark
ownership.  I'ts better to stay at home and see the game on TV.


That's to bad I have a great picture of the new Safeco Field sign in Seattle,
WA. I got it in just perfect evening light. Looks better then the postcards
they sell.
Peter Peterson --part1_92.17391509.287d0aaa_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:41:40 -0500 From: Robert Welch To: Subject: Re: Approaching "street people" Message-ID: More off topic fodder: I recall reading once how a news photographer took a photo with a man leaning up against a wall in the background of the photo. It turned out that the man in the photo was a judicial official, perhaps a judge even, and he was somewhere he didn't want it to be public knowledge that he was at. The photo was printed in a newspaper as a standard editorial type image, and he successfully sued the newspaper for printing it without his consent (this took place in the Northeast somewhere as I recall, New England perhaps). The point is, even though he was in a public place, and the photo was published as a news item, not a commercial image, the photographer (or in this case the newspaper) was still held liable for not having a release, which in this case they are normally not subject to needing one. The moral is unless you think your lawyer is smarter than theirs, get a release. As for photos at public sports events, I have heard that if you try to sell photos from a racetrack (CART, NASCAR, etc.) you can lose your ass. Though bringing a camera to the track for personal use is allowed, if you want to sell the photos for profit, you have to get a license from the racing organization to do so. Or so I've been told... Robert Welch http://www.rwphotography.com ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1284 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html