hasselblad Sun, 22 Jul 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1295 In this issue: Re: light meter Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi For Sale 7/21/01 Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi RE: 150CF vs. 150CFi re: light meter Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:03:18 +0530 From: "Sharookh Mehta" To: Subject: Re: light meter Message-ID: <005f01c111d8$f1030680$4c3fc7cb@ibm17043> Hi- I have a Minolta IV F with a spotmeter attachment. I must recommend this superlative meter as it's meter is excellent, robust and offers most features than we would require. Reasonably priced, it is excellent value for money. I believe the new Sekonic 608 is really good too. Have'nt seen it tho'. Sharookh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Grimwood" To: "Hasselblad" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: light meter > I recently had my light meter stolen. I have used a Gossen Luna Pro SBC for > years. Now I need to replace it and am not sure what to buy. I do not need > a lot of whistles and bells, just a dependable easy to use hand held meter. > > What should I buy? > > > > Thanks > > Bill Grimwood > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:59:37 -0400 From: "Peter Klosky" To: Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi Message-ID: <004001c111ed$63498b10$230a210a@dulles> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C111CB.D9EEBE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My experience with the 150CF is spotty. Just a few weeks ago, I did a = wedding. Big change for me(kidding.) So, as I've done hundreds of = times before, I set up the tripod at the back of the church, behind the = folks. Then, I took a photo with each lens in my kit, the 50, 80 and = 150CF. There was a pair of large windows with full sun to the right and = left of the altar. The photos with the 150CF had so much flare, the = images were not even fully contained within the frame; that same look = you get with massive overexposure. The loss of contrast was = significant. All the other images were fine, as were the 150CF images = from another vantage point. Have they improved the design with the = 150CFi? I don't know, but I do know that my 150CF has had this problem, = at least this once. I delivered the images, and the client issued no = complaint. Peter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jack Casner=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi I can't help you with that. But I do have a mint condition 150mm CF = Sonnar for sale for $1600.00. =20 Jack Casner Kansas City, Missouri ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Westphal5@aol.com=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: 150CF vs. 150CFi I plan to purchase a 150mm CF or CFi. Does anyone in the group = have info on=20 significant differences in reliability or performance? There is = obviously a=20 significant difference in the market rates for similarly rated, used = versions=20 of these lenses. Thanks for your help.=20 Art=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C111CB.D9EEBE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My experience with the 150CF is = spotty.  Just=20 a few weeks ago, I did a wedding.  Big change for = me(kidding.)  So, as=20 I've done hundreds of times before, I set up the tripod at the back of = the=20 church, behind the folks.  Then, I took a photo with each lens in = my kit,=20 the 50, 80 and 150CF.  There was a pair of large windows with full = sun to=20 the right and left of the altar.  The photos with the 150CF had so = much=20 flare, the images were not even fully contained within the frame; that = same look=20 you get with massive overexposure.  The loss of contrast was=20 significant.  All the other images were fine, as were the 150CF = images from=20 another vantage point.  Have they improved the design with the=20 150CFi?  I don't know, but I do know that my 150CF has had this = problem, at=20 least this once.  I delivered the images, and the client issued no=20 complaint.
 
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jack = Casner=20
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 = 11:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: 150CF vs. = 150CFi

I can't help you with that.  But I do = have a mint=20 condition 150mm CF Sonnar for sale for $1600.00. 
 
Jack Casner
Kansas City, Missouri
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Westphal5@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 = 10:14=20 PM
Subject: 150CF vs. = 150CFi

I plan to = purchase a=20  150mm CF or CFi.  Does anyone in the group have info on=20
significant differences in reliability or performance? =  There is=20 obviously a
significant difference in the market rates for = similarly=20 rated, used versions
of these lenses.  Thanks for your = help.=20
Art ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C111CB.D9EEBE60-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:19:42 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: HUG Subject: For Sale 7/21/01 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010721091910.02c2e920@pop.alink.net> Hasselblad 150 CFi f/4.0 Sonnar, LN, used once, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, etc. USA warranty good until August 2002. $1700. Hasselblad 60 CF f/3.5 Distagon, caps, Ex+, perfect glass and mechanisms, shows only slight wear from use. A great lens but I have a 50 CFi so I never use this lens. $1300. Hasselblad CW Winder & remote, Demo, complete, all papers, bags, pouches, boxes, unregistered US Warranty, etc. Used only a very few times. $600. On everything... 10 day return privilege, I pay FedEx to US locations. Jim Brick 408-970-2533 (work - week day 8am - 6pm) 408-247-0312 (home - evenings, weekends, holidays) jim@brick.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:41:37 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010721092207.02c36b50@pop.alink.net> At 11:14 PM 7/20/01 -0400, Westphal5@aol.com wrote: >I plan to purchase a 150mm CF or CFi. Does anyone in the group have info on >significant differences in reliability or performance? There is obviously a >significant difference in the market rates for similarly rated, used versions >of these lenses. Thanks for your help. >Art The CFi lenses have new internal baffling which reduces internal reflections significantly, according to my local Hasselblad rep (and good friend.) T* coating on CF and CFi lenses will keep the sun and bright lights from causing major lens flare. The problem is that many folks use a filter over their lens thus rendering the wonderful T* coating useless. Filters are not coated anywhere nearly as well as a Zeiss T* lens. If a filter is pointing toward a bright light source (windows or lights in a church, direct sunlight, high contrast subject, etc) you most likely will get flare. And the lens cannot correct it. All of these things falling directly on the front element of a T* lens, will cause insignificant flare. But falling on a filter, WILL cause flare. I have a personal project of photographing a local field from the same point, every Friday morning at 7am. I'm photographing due east. The sun is a few degrees above the horizon and in the frame. I'm using my 40CFE and the photographs are wonderful. Clear and crisp. No flare. I've been doing it for about twelve weeks now and the crop went from seed to six feet high now. As the sun got higher each morning before June 21st, an overhanging tree grew longer so the sun is peeking through the overhanging leaves. Still no flare. CF and CFi lenses are great, and if kept clean and are not looking through an inferior piece of glass, are very flare resistant. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:45:57 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi Message-ID: <3B59BFD4.CAA92BA7@rabiner.cncoffice.com> > My experience with the 150CF is spotty. Just a few weeks ago, I did a wedding. Big change for me(kidding.) So, as I've > done hundreds of times before, I set up the tripod at the back of the church, behind the folks. Then, I took a photo with > each lens in my kit, the 50, 80 and 150CF. There was a pair of large windows with full sun to the right and left of the > > altar. The photos with the 150CF had so much flare, the images were not even fully contained within the frame; that same > look you get with massive overexposure. The loss of contrast was significant. All the other images were fine, as were > > the 150CF images from another vantage point. Have they improved the design with the 150CFi? I don't know, but I do know > that my 150CF has had this problem, at least this once. I delivered the images, and the client issued no complaint. > > Peter I read the message twice to see what kind of lens shade you used, bellows or regular. It seems to me you'd had to have not used one. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:25:56 -0700 From: "Hanson Photography" To: "Hasselblad@Kelvin. Net" Subject: RE: 150CF vs. 150CFi Message-ID: The change in internal coating to dramatically reduce flare is one of the improvements indicated by Hasselblad. In an issue of Hasselblad FORUM within the last year (it's quarterly), they show comparison shots showing MAJOR improvement in this area vs. the old CF lenses. I don't doubt that this has been addressed with these changes, but I find that the longer lenses seem more prone to flare than any other lenses I've used. I have to be extremely careful to avoid shooting into the sun, even with a hood. If the sun hits the front of the lens, forget about it! I guess this is why they are so insistent on folks using the Pro-Shade... b r a d l e y h a n s o n Seattle, WA http://www.hansonphotography.com -----Original Message----- From: Peter Klosky [mailto:peter.klosky@marcgs.com] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:00 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi My experience with the 150CF is spotty. Just a few weeks ago, I did a wedding. Big change for me(kidding.) So, as I've done hundreds of times before, I set up the tripod at the back of the church, behind the folks. Then, I took a photo with each lens in my kit, the 50, 80 and 150CF. There was a pair of large windows with full sun to the right and left of the altar. The photos with the 150CF had so much flare, the images were not even fully contained within the frame; that same look you get with massive overexposure. The loss of contrast was significant. All the other images were fine, as were the 150CF images from another vantage point. Have they improved the design with the 150CFi? I don't know, but I do know that my 150CF has had this problem, at least this once. I delivered the images, and the client issued no complaint. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Casner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi I can't help you with that. But I do have a mint condition 150mm CF Sonnar for sale for $1600.00. Jack Casner Kansas City, Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: Westphal5@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: 150CF vs. 150CFi I plan to purchase a 150mm CF or CFi. Does anyone in the group have info on significant differences in reliability or performance? There is obviously a significant difference in the market rates for similarly rated, used versions of these lenses. Thanks for your help. Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:25:57 -0700 From: "Hanson Photography" To: "Hasselblad@Kelvin. Net" Subject: re: light meter Message-ID: I also use the inexpensive Minolta IV-F, both as an incident and flashmeter, and it has served me well. I'd love the Sekonic 608 as it would remotely fire my Pocket Wizard radio slaves, and allow me to meter my Quantum flashes just like studio lights. The Minolta can be found for about $225. b r a d l e y h a n s o n Seattle, WA http://www.hansonphotography.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharookh Mehta [mailto:first@vsnl.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 4:33 AM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: light meter > > > Hi- > I have a Minolta IV F with a spotmeter attachment. I must recommend this > superlative meter as it's meter is excellent, robust and offers most > features than we would require. Reasonably priced, it is > excellent value for > money. I believe the new Sekonic 608 is really good too. Have'nt seen it > tho'. > > Sharookh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Grimwood" > To: "Hasselblad" > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:04 PM > Subject: light meter > > > > I recently had my light meter stolen. I have used a Gossen Luna Pro SBC > for > > years. Now I need to replace it and am not sure what to buy. I do not > need > > a lot of whistles and bells, just a dependable easy to use hand held > meter. > > > > What should I buy? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bill Grimwood > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This > mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use > text mode only. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of > Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its > content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor > Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. > Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:13:29 -0500 From: "s c o tt h i c ks" To: Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi Message-ID: <008101c1124b$84b84300$e0bdb218@nblvil1.in.home.com> Would a multi-coated filter such as B+W negate the T* coating as well? Best Regards, s c o tt h i c ks MrCharlesHicks@home.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brick" To: ; Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: Re: 150CF vs. 150CFi > At 11:14 PM 7/20/01 -0400, Westphal5@aol.com wrote: > >I plan to purchase a 150mm CF or CFi. Does anyone in the group have info on > >significant differences in reliability or performance? There is obviously a > >significant difference in the market rates for similarly rated, used versions > >of these lenses. Thanks for your help. > >Art > > > The CFi lenses have new internal baffling which reduces internal > reflections significantly, according to my local Hasselblad rep (and good > friend.) > > T* coating on CF and CFi lenses will keep the sun and bright lights from > causing major lens flare. The problem is that many folks use a filter over > their lens thus rendering the wonderful T* coating useless. Filters are not > coated anywhere nearly as well as a Zeiss T* lens. If a filter is pointing > toward a bright light source (windows or lights in a church, direct > sunlight, high contrast subject, etc) you most likely will get flare. And > the lens cannot correct it. All of these things falling directly on the > front element of a T* lens, will cause insignificant flare. But falling on > a filter, WILL cause flare. > > I have a personal project of photographing a local field from the same > point, every Friday morning at 7am. I'm photographing due east. The sun is > a few degrees above the horizon and in the frame. I'm using my 40CFE and > the photographs are wonderful. Clear and crisp. No flare. I've been doing > it for about twelve weeks now and the crop went from seed to six feet high > now. As the sun got higher each morning before June 21st, an overhanging > tree grew longer so the sun is peeking through the overhanging leaves. > Still no flare. > > CF and CFi lenses are great, and if kept clean and are not looking through > an inferior piece of glass, are very flare resistant. > > Jim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1295 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. 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