hasselblad Tue, 18 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 13 In this issue: Re: Lost subscribers Re: Lost subscribers ... still annoyed Re: Which MF? WTB: Lens cap, filter Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad name salad Re: name salad Which MF? -Reply Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Re: Which MF? -Reply Re: Prisms for Hasselblad Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply CHAT: Want some cheese with your whine Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:24:29 +0100 From: Alfred Breull To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: "kev Walker" Subject: Re: Lost subscribers Message-ID: <199711171024.LAA06702@go.hannover.sgh-net.de> Dear Kevin Walker, The space limitations come from your hotmail server, which additionally holds emails every now and then thru interrupts, and which is known for these and other limits. I receive no more than 10, 12 emails/ day from the Hasselblad list, frequently far less. Besides, most usual mail servers limit you to 500 unread emails, before blocking obscure, important correspondence. I feel it as injustice, that you cry at Dave, although you do have a lmited email address. In my mind, Dave does a great job. Kind regards, Alf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 08:57 17.11.1997 CET, you wrote: >Dear Dan Cardish, > >Please unsubscribe me from your hasselblad digest/list,IMMEDIATELY. > >Since subcribing I have experience nothing but problems,eg. one day I >received some 150 e-mail from the digest,blocking up my letter box and >obscuring important correspondence. > >If you cannot sort out the digest in an orderly form,I do not want to be >a member. > >Kevin Walker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:11:37 +0100 From: Alfred Breull To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: "kev Walker" Subject: Re: Lost subscribers ... still annoyed Message-ID: <199711171111.MAA07264@go.hannover.sgh-net.de> And, dear Kevin Walker, I forgot to say: It's Dave's time & money & effort & server, which he gives for free - just to allow worldwide Hasselblad users to meet and have a comon place. Neither you nor I do anything for it. Still annoyed by your letter, Alf ----------------------------------------------------------- At 11:24 17.11.1997 +0100, I wrote: >Dear Kevin Walker, > >The space limitations come from your hotmail server, which additionally >holds emails every now and then thru interrupts, and which is known for >these and other limits. > >I receive no more than 10, 12 emails/ day from the Hasselblad list, >frequently far less. Besides, most usual mail servers limit you to 500 >unread emails, before blocking obscure, important correspondence. > >I feel it as injustice, that you cry at Dave, although you do have a lmited >email address. In my mind, Dave does a great job. > >Kind regards, >Alf > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >At 08:57 17.11.1997 CET, you wrote: >>Dear Dan Cardish, >> >>Please unsubscribe me from your hasselblad digest/list,IMMEDIATELY. >> >>Since subcribing I have experience nothing but problems,eg. one day I >>received some 150 e-mail from the digest,blocking up my letter box and >>obscuring important correspondence. >> >>If you cannot sort out the digest in an orderly form,I do not want to be >>a member. >> >>Kevin Walker > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:17:09 -0400 From: camera@isn.net (Lionel F. Stevenson) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Which MF? Message-ID: There's something called hand-feel, how the camera feels in your hand. Hasselblad has excellent hand-feel. So does Leica. However, using any MF hand held is not great. Maybe a 6 x 4.5 Mamiya or Pentax is OK, but I find that to stop down that extra stop or two to get depth-of-field similar to a 35 means slower shutter speeds and therefore I put the camera on a tripod, so hand-feel is not as important as with a 35. The rule is -always use a tripod, but sometimes you don't have enough time or space. MF is a slower format to use than 35, and demands a more methodical and planned approach to photographing. The increase in image quality comes at a cost. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:58:29 -0600 From: "Les Alvis" To: "Hasselblad List" Subject: WTB: Lens cap, filter Message-ID: <199711171458.IAA26414@eightof.tsixroads.com> Would anyone have a spare front lens cap for an 80mm Planar CF? I also need a Series 63 (or old series VIII) drop-in UV filter for a 50mm Distagon CF. The filter doesn't have to be Hasselblad -- just clean and usable. Please reply by private email to lalvis@tsixroads.com Thanks, Les Alvis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:38:28 -0400 From: jllphoto@evansville.net (Janet L. Lindholm) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prism from hasselblad V1 #9 Message-ID: >Does anyone know where to buy a Kiev prism in the U.S.? Will it fit all >Hasselblads? I am told they fit all Hasselblads, but are "funky." Unfortunately, my source does not have any right now. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:44:28 -0400 From: jllphoto@evansville.net (Janet L. Lindholm) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: >Also, I'd also like to hear how others use their Hasselblads out in the >field, handheld. I don't yet own a prism so I'm always using the waist-level finder. Out in the field, hand held, I am absolutely in love with the pistol grip! For me, it is much easier than holding the body. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:14:47 -0500 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971117111447.00896380@pop.microtec.net> At 11:44 AM 17-11-97 -0400, Janet replied to: > >>Also, I'd also like to hear how others use their Hasselblads out in the >>field, handheld. > >I don't yet own a prism so I'm always using the waist-level finder. Out in >the field, hand held, I am absolutely in love with the pistol grip! For >me, it is much easier than holding the body. On the other hand, I find the PME style prism to allow you to brace the camera against the socket of your eye, allowing for easier hand held shots. Dan C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:03:53 +0100 From: Alfred Breull To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: name salad Message-ID: <199711171703.SAA12817@go.hannover.sgh-net.de> Sorry, Dan Cardish, for misspelling your name (as "Dave") in my recent Hasselblad mails ("RE: Lost subscribers") - some kind of lost name :) Unfortunately, I didn't control for the correct name. Alf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:30:46 -0500 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: name salad Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971117133046.0088f5b0@pop.microtec.net> At 06:03 PM 17-11-97 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry, Dan Cardish, for misspelling your name (as "Dave") in my >recent Hasselblad mails ("RE: Lost subscribers") - some kind >of lost name :) > >Unfortunately, I didn't control for the correct name. > >Alf > he he...no problem. And the subscriber who initiated the thread has been unsubscribed, also no problem. I don't take these things personally. I expect that there will always be a certain number of subscribers who find the inmail traffic from the list to be more than they expected, and have second thoughts about continuing with the list. If you are one of those, and are having trouble unsubscribing on your own, it would be better if you emailed me directly, at owner-hasselblad@kelvin.net (rather than the list) but only if you are really having problems! Dan C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:11:04 -0700 From: Bob MAXIE To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Which MF? -Reply Message-ID: Hasselblad and Rollei are the best, forget the others. It can be proven that quality is far higher. RM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 22:44:28 +0100 From: To: , Subject: Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: <199711172240.WAA25242@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Hi Curt I've used Hasselblads for over 15 years and have used the waist level = finder's. In 1991-92 I purchased a new (new then) PME3 metered = prism, I used it for around two months, and went back to WLF's. With = very few occasions the PME3 sits on a shelf gathering dust. There = are times when a prism comes in handy i.e. fast action shots, sports, = photo-journalism ect. As for the magnifying hood, I had one too = (until I got those brighter Acumat screens) in my opinion they are a = little improvement on the WLF but they're bulky so still prefer WFL. = I hope my opinions are of help to you And I agree with what H=E5kan Gunnarsson had to say cesare Peterborough UK >Also, I'd also like to hear how others use their Hasselblads out in the >field, handheld. I'm really somewhat discouraged when using it with a = prism >on the go - even though it would seem like a dream come true. The prism >alone adds another 50% to the camera's weight and size and really (for me) >seems to take a lot away from the experience of field use. I mainly carry >it around to use as an adjunct to my Leicas for closeups and architecture = - >areas where I feel MF excels (sometimes I long to try the Fuji RF cameras >for this use). Should I just leave the prism at home for studio use and = use >the waistlevel finder in the field? How about using the magnifying hood = in >the field as an alternative the the waistlevel finder? You can have passion without art but no art without passion If only real life had "Command Z" My life is based on a true story !! http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/cesare/ ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:26:17 +0100 From: Alfred Breull To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Which MF? -Reply Message-ID: <199711172326.AAA18816@go.hannover.sgh-net.de> At 13:11 17.11.1997 -0700, RM/ Bob Maxie wrote: >Hasselblad and Rollei are the best, forget the >others. It can be proven that quality is far >higher. Quality - yes, without doubt, but there are other nice camera-body ideas also, i.e. the Exakta 66 (nice standards) or Pentacon Six (cheap, but low technical standards) show several ideas, which are better solutions than in Hasselblad or Rollei: the 45 degree release button allows to hand-held the camera at more slow/large shutter speeds than the Hasselblad or Rollei. Further, both systems allow to use the Carl Zeiss Jena (CZJ) lenses, the Biometars, Flektogons, or Sonnars. The 2.8/80 Biometar shares the same optical formula as the Planar, the 4/50 Flektogon the same as the Distagon. I have outstanding good experiences with the multicoated CZJ 4/50, 2.8/80, 2.8/120, 2.8/180 - even better experiences than with the corresponding Zeiss Oberkochen lenses (sharpness !, contrast, bokeh). Besides, you need to pay only 0,2-Hasselblad-CM-lens for them. On the other side, I'm attracted by the general idea of the Hasselblad system, and I like their reliability, design & shape, whereas the Rollei 66 was too heavy for me. Alf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:29:57 -0500 (EST) From: SPYDERS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: <971117192956_1937872170@mrin53.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 11/17/97 11:16:22 AM, Dan C. wrote: >On the other hand, I find the PME style prism to allow you to brace the >camera against the socket of your eye, allowing for easier hand held shots. I've found that almost any prism (metered or not) is a real help when shooting aerials. (If you think the 'blad is heavy, attach a Gyro to the bottom and hand hold it out the side of a helicopter) Dan's right about the added stability your head can give; but that's about the only use I've borrowed a prism for. I'm going to start a separate thread related to this one, about using loupes right on the ground glass or viewfinder as such. Sometimes, when I need to check focus with little d.o.f., I feel the need to use a loupe right on the glass, so I slip off the fold-up hood and place a black-skirted loupe on the glass. My question to the group is, do you guys use the 'blad one ($$$?) or another (ie: schneider 6x6?) or what? --pat "happy with my loupe, but asking anyway" parsons ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: SPYDERS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. Message-ID: <971117193240_528178938@mrin41.mail.aol.com> I've got a question about using loupes right on the ground glass or viewfinder as such. Sometimes, when I need to check focus, with little d.o.f., such as with long tubes, I feel the need to use a high magnification loupe right on the glass, so I slip off the fold-up hood and place a black-skirted loupe on the glass. My question to the group is, do you guys use the 'blad one ($$$?) or another (ie: schneider 6x6?) or what? --pat "happy with my loupe, but asking anyway" parsons ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:29:31 -0700 From: Bob MAXIE To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: Sorry, I do not use any 'Blad' Products. Are they new? I usually use 'Kon" or 'Ntax'. My preferred film is made by the 'Man Dak' or perhaps Fuge" Perhaps you mean Hasselblad? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:03:19 -0600 From: Russ Rosener To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev prisms for Hasselblad Message-ID: Does the hasselblad pistol grip have a shutter release too? I'm very curious to hear more about it's added stability for handheld shooting. They seem to be reasonably priced on the used market. >I don't yet own a prism so I'm always using the waist-level finder. Out in >the field, hand held, I am absolutely in love with the pistol grip! For >me, it is much easier than holding the body. > >Janet Russ Rosener Washington University, St. Louis. http://ascc.artsci.wustl.edu/~rrosener/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:04:40 -0700 From: "Roger Beamon" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: <199711180306.UAA21318@usr01.primenet.com> On 17 Nov 97, Bob MAXIE wrote: > Sorry, I do not use any 'Blad' Products. Are > they new? I usually use 'Kon" or 'Ntax'. My > preferred film is made by the 'Man Dak' or > perhaps Fuge" > > Perhaps you mean Hasselblad? You can keep on urinating in the ocean if you choose, Bob, but you've lost this one! You definately ought to focus in on achieving a more lofty plain by trading your Chevy in on a Caddy. -- Roger Beamon Naturalist & Photographer mailto:beamon@primenet.com Thought for the day: It is wrong to ever split an infinitive. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:12:14 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971117221214.006aa7f8@roanoke.infi.net> At 08:04 PM 11/17/97 -0700, Roger Beamon, an otherwise intelligent type, was driven by forces arcane to write: >On 17 Nov 97, Bob MAXIE wrote: > >You can keep on urinating in the ocean if you choose, Bob, but you've >lost this one! Roger It's NOT a "'Blad". That is, at best, a rather crude corruption of the name. The camera is a 'Hasselblad' and failure to use the entire name is just another indicator of the sad slide our standards have taken in this century. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:33:06 -0700 From: "Roger Beamon" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: <199711180334.UAA24185@usr01.primenet.com> On 17 Nov 97, Marc James Small wrote: > It's NOT a "'Blad". That is, at best, a rather crude corruption of > the name. The camera is a 'Hasselblad' and failure to use the entire > name is just another indicator of the sad slide our standards have > taken in this century. <> Fine, Mark. You just line right up there alongside Bob and see how far you get before complete dilution. I don't like the way language is mishandled either, but abbreviations are part and parcel of the world today. "Blad" and "Hassy" do not connote disrespect in any way. Does Chevy and Caddy bother you also? Computerese must devastate your sensibilities. They're tools used by those in a hurry. Look at the way your own profession abbreviates and coins words among colleagues. Like it or not, it's here for the duration. You gotta know when to plea bargain. <> -- Roger Beamon Naturalist & Photographer mailto:beamon@primenet.com Thought for the day: Communist (n): one who has given up all hope of becoming a Capitalist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:49:54 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971117224954.00773938@roanoke.infi.net> At 08:33 PM 11/17/97 -0700, Roger Beamon, irascible old coot, wrote: >Does Chevy and Caddy bother you >also? Computerese must devastate your sensibilities. They're tools used >by those in a hurry. Look at the way your own profession abbreviates >and coins words among colleagues. "Chevy"? "Caddy"? Are these cars of some sort? Try "Audi" or "Volkswagen" or "Sunbeam" to make my heart sing ... My profession, thank you, doesn't abbreviate anything: we generally get clobbered for using far too many words. In any event, I put my MA in Classics to good use in coining new Law Latin when some other soul irritates me. And, yes, it is SPELLED OUT IN FULL. (I recently had a case against a fellow who managed to be a Big Winner in Jeopardy a few years back ... I had him whining to the judge about my "unfair" use of Latin!) Nor does my computer abbreviate anything, either: the many error messages come through in great detail ... No, brother, it's Hasselblad. A fine product is worthy of its name. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:00:02 +0100 From: Håkan Gunnarsson To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: <347112C2.1AD@mailer.student.gu.se> Marc James Small wrote: >=20 > At 08:04 PM 11/17/97 -0700, Roger Beamon, an otherwise intelligent type= , > was driven by forces arcane to write: > >On 17 Nov 97, Bob MAXIE wrote: > > > >You can keep on urinating in the ocean if you choose, Bob, but you've > >lost this one! >=20 > Roger >=20 > It's NOT a "'Blad". That is, at best, a rather crude corruption of the > name. The camera is a 'Hasselblad' and failure to use the entire name = is > just another indicator of the sad slide our standards have taken in thi= s > century. >=20 > Marc Are you serious? Don't you all shorten the names of your beloved ones? Elisabeth - Beth, Katherine - Kate, etc. So why not call your beloved Hasselblad: "Hassy", "Hassie", "'Blad?" :-) "Hassleblad", "Hasselbald," on the other hand, are true corruptions. H=E5kan Gunnarsson G=F6teborg, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:32:39 -0600 From: Lew To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: CHAT: Want some cheese with your whine Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971117223239.00717998@mail.visi.com> At 10:12 PM 11/17/97 -0500, Marc James Small wrote: >At 08:04 PM 11/17/97 -0700, Roger Beamon, an otherwise intelligent type, >was driven by forces arcane to write: >>On 17 Nov 97, Bob MAXIE wrote: >> >>You can keep on urinating in the ocean if you choose, Bob, but you've >>lost this one! > > >Roger > >It's NOT a "'Blad". That is, at best, a rather crude corruption of the >name. The camera is a 'Hasselblad' and failure to use the entire name is >just another indicator of the sad slide our standards have taken in this >century. > >Marc > > >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! Re: "sad slide our standards have taken" Might that apply to your name as well. Are you named Marc or Marcus? I see no problem with abbreviation. Hell, I already have carpal tunnel syndrom. I write about German Shepherd Dogs all day long, you can bet I refer to them as GSD's as does about 99% of the people in the sport. We have already wasted more breath on the subject than it deserves. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:21:07 -0800 From: Bill Agee To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: >At 08:33 PM 11/17/97 -0700, Roger Beamon, irascible old coot, wrote: > >>Does Chevy and Caddy bother you >>also? Computerese must devastate your sensibilities. They're tools used >>by those in a hurry. Look at the way your own profession abbreviates >>and coins words among colleagues. > > >"Chevy"? "Caddy"? Are these cars of some sort? Try "Audi" or >"Volkswagen" or "Sunbeam" to make my heart sing ... > >My profession, thank you, doesn't abbreviate anything: we generally get >clobbered for using far too many words. In any event, I put my MA in >Classics to good use in coining new Law Latin when some other soul >irritates me. And, yes, it is SPELLED OUT IN FULL. (I recently had a case >against a fellow who managed to be a Big Winner in Jeopardy a few years >back ... I had him whining to the judge about my "unfair" use of Latin!) > >Nor does my computer abbreviate anything, either: the many error messages >come through in great detail ... > >No, brother, it's Hasselblad. A fine product is worthy of its name. > >Marc Some people have too much time on their hands... Bill Agee ========================== BILL AGEE Laguna Beach, CA billagee@redsilver.com http://www.redsilver.com ========================== ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1997 22:59:44 -0800 From: Marty Fouts To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Loupes on Viewfinder Glass. -Reply Message-ID: >> Marc James Small writes: Marc> At 08:04 PM 11/17/97 -0700, Roger Beamon, an otherwise Marc> intelligent type, was driven by forces arcane to write: >> On 17 Nov 97, Bob MAXIE wrote: >> >> You can keep on urinating in the ocean if you choose, Bob, but >> you've lost this one! Marc> Roger Marc> It's NOT a "'Blad". That is, at best, a rather crude Marc> corruption of the name. The camera is a 'Hasselblad' and Marc> failure to use the entire name is just another indicator of Marc> the sad slide our standards have taken in this century. The thing I like best about this line is that it is right out of _Dune_. :-) The thing I like least about it is that it is another example of creeping political correctness. Besides, if you wish to be _pedantic_ Marc, It's not a "Hasselblad" either. As anyone whose ever gotten the famous letter from the death star about Un*x knows, it is a "Hassleblad product," perhaps a "Hassleblad lens" or a "Hasselblad camera," or, god forbid, a Hasselblad 2000 F/CM camera. Personally, I'd prefer that the people who wish to persue this debate do it through one-on-one email; as I doubt anyone is going to change anyone else's mind on this, and I'd rather talk about cameras than language politics. Thanks, marty -- Ant of Truism aka fouts@null.net http://www.best.com/~mjf send mail with the subject "send pgp key" for my public key Never express yourself more clearly than you think. -- N. Bohr ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #13 ************************