hasselblad Mon, 17 Dec 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1441 In this issue: Re: [HUG] Another lens question Re: hasselblad V1 #1440 Re: hasselblad V1 #1440 Re: [HUG] Another lens question Re: [HUG] 203FE, and comment from list administrator 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? Re: [HUG] 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? Re: [HUG] 203FE Re: [HUG] 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? Re: [HUG] 203FE RE: [HUG] 203FE Re: [HUG] 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:26:44 -0000 From: "Steve Gullick" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Another lens question Message-ID: <002d01c1862c$ee3331a0$30637ad5@steve> Thanks again everyone for the information. I was not too concerned about the single / multi coatings, but wether the lens was chromatically corrected as different colours focus as different points. I am well reassured on this now! Thanks Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:16:21 EST From: DaveHodge@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1440 Message-ID: <131.5bec944.294df8a5@aol.com> In a message dated 12/16/01 3:58:00 AM, hasselblad@kelvin.net writes: << although these lenses are extremely sharp and contrasty, they suffer greatly from flare and have difficulty in reproducing colours correctly. >> Be sure to use the correct lens hood. Otherwise, everything is relative. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:18:41 EST From: DaveHodge@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1440 Message-ID: <16e.5bdb67f.294df931@aol.com> In a message dated 12/16/01 3:58:00 AM, hasselblad@kelvin.net writes: << I was told that these lenses were designed before colour film was very > popular and consequently they do not produce a true to life colour, >> I'll bet you heard that from some Hassy salesman who wanted to sell you the latest lens at a megabuck price. Listen to us users. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:19:48 -0700 From: Peter Rosenthal To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Another lens question Message-ID: > I was not too concerned about the single / multi coatings, but wether the > lens was chromatically corrected as different colours focus as different > points. All lenses of quality are corrected for chromatic abberation these days. These days refers to the last 60 years, I suppose. Telephotos have a more serious problem with "ca" than short focal lengths but it's not even noticeable in modern lenses. Zoom lenses have a similar but more complex problem in this regard, as you might imagine. Glass elements of different composition are used to bring errant color fringes back where they belong. As far as coatings tinting photos...this is a touchy area and not as intuitive as one might think. The tendency is to assume orange coatings warm the image and so on but this ain't necessarily so. There are anti-reflective coatings that may impart a tint (but not in the same way colored glass imparts color) and interference coatings of different composition of the same color that can REMOVE the same tint. That's all I have to say on this subject except for this; unless one compares the EXACT same lens design, with NO differences except coatings, conclusions can be iffy at best. Peter - aka Monsieur Nitpick or proof that a little knowledge is not necessarily a good thing. -- Peter Rosenthal PR Camera Repair 111 E. Aspen #1 Flagstaff, AZ 86001 928 779-5263 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:09:59 -0500 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] 203FE, and comment from list administrator Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20011216100959.00a3b7b0@POP6.sympatico.ca> Hi Wit. Welcome to the Hasselblad Mailing List. Unfortumately at this time, there are no means to easily search the archives. They simply consist of all of the Digests stored together as text files. There used to be a 3rd party service that indexed the archives, but they don't appear to be in business any longer. I do know that there are quite a few subscribers on the HUG with experience with the 203FE. Perhaps one or more of them would like to offer some help? I do recall in general that the 203FE gets very high marks from people who have used it. If it weren't for the cost, I'd love one for myself as well! One final comment, and this is aimed for the HUG membership in general in addition to you. When posting to the HUG, please try and set your email program to send out the post as plain text. When the your post (as it originally appeared in the HUG) shows up in the Digest, it gets converted to text, with all of the HTML coding showing up as follows: ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C18614.B8360360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-874" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Sir,
 
I intend to buy a the 203FE with = an=20 appropriate lens and would like to read a review on the said camera as = well as=20 the experience users have had with it with the different lenses.  = Could you=20 be so kind as to advise me on how to search the chronological archives=20 list?  Thank you.
 
Best regards,
 
Wit
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C18614.B8360360--. I cringe just copying this here, but I am trying to make a point. As you can see, it makes the Digest very difficult to read as well as much larger than it need be. Let's all try and remember this! Thanks, Dan Cardish [List Administrator] At 09:33 AM 16-12-01 +0200, Warawit Kanithasen wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I intend to buy a the 203FE with an appropriate lens and would like to read >a review on the said camera as well as the experience users have had with >it with the different lenses. Could you be so kind as to advise me on how >to search the chronological archives list? > >Thank you. > >Best regards, > >Wit > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:38:26 -0600 From: Mike Vanecek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, 01A_Photography <01A_Photography@yahoogroups.com>, photographic-techniques@yahoogroups.com Subject: 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? Message-ID: <3C1CDC12.4060608@mjv.com> Sorry for not having a reference available - but does anyone know what filter value will convert 4700K to 5500K? I know that #80 filters convert 3200K and 3400K to 5500K, but my Google search on 4700K has so far not produced results... I'm considering exploring the Solux lights and rather than over-powering them (4700K at 12V is normal - 5500K at 15V to 15.9V overpowering - but with a significant reduction in life of bulb), I figure a filter for such a small conversion would be a good way to go and be of little EV cost... Is anyone playing with the Solux lights? I got some regular floodlamps and a couple of really neat lights that I can clamp on the studio top and move the lamp exactly where I need it last night to experiment with before buying more expensive 3200K tubes or PARs, but I'm still hoping to get lighting as close to daylight without jury-rigging some expensive automotive HID lights or emptying my wallet on some HMI lights... I don't need high wattage for what I'm doing - I'm shooting really small objects and can get the lights in close. Even so, the diminutive Solux bulbs seem to kick out a lot of light. Thanks, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:20:23 +0000 From: Tim Franklin To: Subject: Re: [HUG] 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? Message-ID: on 16/12/01 5:38 pm, Mike Vanecek at mike@mjv.com wrote: > Sorry for not having a reference available - but does anyone know what > filter value will convert 4700K to 5500K? I know that #80 filters > convert 3200K and 3400K to 5500K, but my Google search on 4700K has so > far not produced results... I'm considering exploring the Solux lights > and rather than over-powering them (4700K at 12V is normal - 5500K at > 15V to 15.9V overpowering - but with a significant reduction in life of > bulb), I figure a filter for such a small conversion would be a good way > to go and be of little EV cost... > > Is anyone playing with the Solux lights? I got some regular floodlamps > and a couple of really neat lights that I can clamp on the studio top > and move the lamp exactly where I need it last night to experiment with > before buying more expensive 3200K tubes or PARs, but I'm still hoping > to get lighting as close to daylight without jury-rigging some expensive > automotive HID lights or emptying my wallet on some HMI lights... I > don't need high wattage for what I'm doing - I'm shooting really small > objects and can get the lights in close. Even so, the diminutive Solux > bulbs seem to kick out a lot of light. > > Thanks, > Mike Mike, An 80D filter will do 4200K to 5500K, but I've not yet found if there's anything better to match what you want. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:32:27 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: [HUG] 203FE Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216100919.06a52848@pop.alink.net> --=====================_1025307133==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Best Hasselblad available! With a battery, a computerized 203. Remove the battery, it's a mechanical 503, as long as you have some CFE/CFi lenses. You'll never be stuck with a non working camera because of battery failure. Great meter, shutter speeds settable from 1/2000 to 34 minutes in half stops (in A or D mode it goes in 1/3 stops), E backs, diff mode (should be called "wonderful" mode), uses all lenses easily, self timer, easy double/triple/however many exposure, auto-bracketing, etc. I'm sure you read the literature... Jim At 09:33 AM 12/16/2001 +0200, Warawit Kanithasen wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I intend to buy a the 203FE with an appropriate lens and would like to >read a review on the said camera as well as the experience users have had >with it with the different lenses. Could you be so kind as to advise me >on how to search the chronological archives list? Thank you. > >Best regards, > >Wit --=====================_1025307133==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Best Hasselblad available!

With a battery, a computerized 203. Remove the battery, it's a mechanical 503, as long as you have some CFE/CFi lenses. You'll never be stuck with a non working camera because of battery failure. Great meter, shutter speeds settable from 1/2000 to 34 minutes in half stops (in A or D mode it goes in 1/3 stops), E backs, diff mode (should be called "wonderful" mode), uses all lenses easily, self timer, easy double/triple/however many exposure, auto-bracketing, etc. I'm sure you read the literature...

Jim




At 09:33 AM 12/16/2001 +0200, Warawit Kanithasen wrote:
Dear Sir,
 
I intend to buy a the 203FE with an appropriate lens and would like to read a review on the said camera as well as the experience users have had with it with the different lenses.  Could you be so kind as to advise me on how to search the chronological archives list?  Thank you.
 
Best regards,
 
Wit
--=====================_1025307133==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:42:33 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net, 01A_Photography <01A_Photography@yahoogroups.com>, photographic-techniques@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HUG] 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216163603.0688dd60@pop.alink.net> If you are using daylight film and want to convert a 4700 light to match 5500 film, you can use a B+W KB3. It matches that conversion exactly. Page 5 in the B+W catalog. If you are going the other way, a KR3 matches exactly. These filters are readily available in all sizes. Jim At 11:38 AM 12/16/2001 -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote: >Sorry for not having a reference available - but does anyone know what >filter value will convert 4700K to 5500K? I know that #80 filters convert >3200K and 3400K to 5500K, but my Google search on 4700K has so far not >produced results... I'm considering exploring the Solux lights and rather >than over-powering them (4700K at 12V is normal - 5500K at 15V to 15.9V >overpowering - but with a significant reduction in life of bulb), I figure >a filter for such a small conversion would be a good way to go and be of >little EV cost... > >Is anyone playing with the Solux lights? I got some regular floodlamps and >a couple of really neat lights that I can clamp on the studio top and move >the lamp exactly where I need it last night to experiment with before >buying more expensive 3200K tubes or PARs, but I'm still hoping to get >lighting as close to daylight without jury-rigging some expensive >automotive HID lights or emptying my wallet on some HMI lights... I don't >need high wattage for what I'm doing - I'm shooting really small objects >and can get the lights in close. Even so, the diminutive Solux bulbs seem >to kick out a lot of light. > >Thanks, >Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:43:00 EST From: BLADHASS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] 203FE Message-ID: --part1_dc.10ac46dd.294e9994_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/2001 4:33:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, jim@brick.org writes: > Best Hasselblad available! > > With a battery, a computerized 203. Remove the battery, it's a mechanical > 503, as long as you have some CFE/CFi lenses. You'll never be stuck with a > non working camera because of battery failure. Great meter, shutter speeds > settable from 1/2000 to 34 minutes in half stops (in A or D mode it goes in > 1/3 stops), E backs, diff mode (should be called "wonderful" mode), uses > all lenses easily, self timer, easy double/triple/however many exposure, > auto-bracketing, etc. I'm sure you read the literature... > > Jim > If only they would give it a better winder like the CW. Peter Peterson --part1_dc.10ac46dd.294e9994_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/2001 4:33:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, jim@brick.org writes:


Best Hasselblad available!

With a battery, a computerized 203. Remove the battery, it's a mechanical 503, as long as you have some CFE/CFi lenses. You'll never be stuck with a non working camera because of battery failure. Great meter, shutter speeds settable from 1/2000 to 34 minutes in half stops (in A or D mode it goes in 1/3 stops), E backs, diff mode (should be called "wonderful" mode), uses all lenses easily, self timer, easy double/triple/however many exposure, auto-bracketing, etc. I'm sure you read the literature...

Jim


If only they would give it a better winder like the CW.
Peter Peterson --part1_dc.10ac46dd.294e9994_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:17:14 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] 203FE Message-ID: > Best Hasselblad available! Well, Jim, nothing at all wrong with the 203, but...then there's the 205...it's still available ;-) Regards, Austin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0600 From: Mike Vanecek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] 4700K to 5500K conversion filter? Message-ID: <3C1D6981.7090502@mjv.com> Not bad. Actually, it's a 400 degree filter which brings me up to 5100 unless my Kelvin math is way off - is that close enough to call it daylight? At 2/3 stop EV cost, it's a whole lot better than the 1 1/3 stop expense that an 80B would cost me on tungsten. Thanks for the help - filters is one area where I'm lacking in research - yet another book on my Christmas list... :) Cheers, Mike Jim Brick wrote: > If you are using daylight film and want to convert a 4700 light to > match 5500 film, you can use a B+W KB3. It matches that conversion > exactly. Page 5 in the B+W catalog. If you are going the other way, a > KR3 matches exactly. These filters are readily available in all sizes. > > Jim > > > At 11:38 AM 12/16/2001 -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote: > >> Sorry for not having a reference available - but does anyone know >> what filter value will convert 4700K to 5500K? I know that #80 >> filters convert 3200K and 3400K to 5500K, but my Google search on >> 4700K has so far not produced results... I'm considering exploring >> the Solux lights and rather than over-powering them (4700K at 12V is >> normal - 5500K at 15V to 15.9V overpowering - but with a significant >> reduction in life of bulb), I figure a filter for such a small >> conversion would be a good way to go and be of little EV cost... >> >> Is anyone playing with the Solux lights? I got some regular >> floodlamps and a couple of really neat lights that I can clamp on the >> studio top and move the lamp exactly where I need it last night to >> experiment with before buying more expensive 3200K tubes or PARs, but >> I'm still hoping to get lighting as close to daylight without >> jury-rigging some expensive automotive HID lights or emptying my >> wallet on some HMI lights... I don't need high wattage for what I'm >> doing - I'm shooting really small objects and can get the lights in >> close. Even so, the diminutive Solux bulbs seem to kick out a lot of >> light. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This > mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. > Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1441 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm