hasselblad                     Thu, 20 Dec 2001         Volume 1 : Number 1444

In this issue:

        Re: M/F Format Scanner Update
        Re: [HUG] Lenses and numbers
        Re: [HUG] Re: Buying a second-hand 500C/M
        Another daft question
        RE: [HUG] Another daft question
        E24CC magazines...
        RE: [HUG] Re: Buying a second-hand 500C/M
        Re: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
        Re: [HUG] Re: Buying a second-hand 500C/M
        RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
        RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
        Re: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
        RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
        Re: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
        RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
        lenses and manufacturing dates
        RE: [HUG] lenses and manufacturing dates


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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:56:27 +0700
From: Peter Walker <peter@peterwalker.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>, <estral@ekc.com>
Subject: Re: M/F Format Scanner Update
Message-ID: <B8466822.1C4%peter@peterwalker.com>

Eric,

Now, why would you want to buy a superb piece of image-processing hardware
like an Imacon scanner and shackle it to an operating system that can not
even display colors properly. <Joking>  MAC RULES OK!   <not joking>

Seriously though, the version gap is not as great as the numbers imply.  For
some reason unknown to me, about 2 or 3 months ago, the Mac version jumped
from 1.9 to 3.1 and then, because there was a bug, quickly moved to 3.2.
The 3.x version has a couple of extra color management features that 1.9 did
not have but nothing that you should fret about.  So, in reality, the PC
version is functionally the same as the Mac version and is only a couple of
months behind the Mac version.   Over the last few years, I have observed
that Imacon have released new Windows versions at almost the same time as
the Mac version.  

BTW, I have visited the Imacon factory in Copenhagen and they are really
nice people and I don't believe that they would knowingly discriminate
against the disadvantaged Windows users...  <Joking again>

Enjoy using your scanner and don't let the version numbers worry you.   I
have been using the Flextight Photo for 2.5 years now, so, if there is
anything I can help you with, just ask.
 
Regards
Peter


On 19/12/01 3:05 PM, "Hasselblad" <hasselblad@kelvin.net> wrote:

> 
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:45:17 -0800
> From: "Eric Stral" <estral@ekc.com>
> To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
> Subject: M/F Format Scanner Update
> 
> Just an update.  I recently purchased an Imacon Flextight Photo scanner.
> Its results are supurb.  However, Imacon behaves as if PC users are some
> kind of mentally challenged people.  While the MAC software is on
> version 3.2, the PC version is still on version 1.9.
> 
> I purchased the unit, in addition to the supurb drum like scanning, for
> the software that was demonstrated at PhotoPlus in November.  The Imacon
> people swore the new Windows software would be available this
> year...they lied!  I just heard, from Imacon, that Imacon in Denmark has
> just found a Windows programmer to do the job.  When the software will
> be available, is anyone's guess.
> 
> I am very happy with the scanner, but not as happy as I should be,
> especially for $5000.
> 
> Beware
> 
> Eric
> 
>

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:56:27 +0700
From: Peter Walker <peter@peterwalker.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>, <PeteScherm@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [HUG] Lenses and numbers
Message-ID: <B84663B5.1C2%peter@peterwalker.com>

Pete,

A couple of years ago I had the pleasure to visit the Hasselblad facility in
Goteburg, Sweden.   I sent an email before my visit and was met on arrival
by Torbjorn Eriksson.   I spent a few fascinating hours touring the plant
and museum, watching an AV on the history of Hasselblad and Hasselblad in
Space and hearing Hasselblad stories.  Torbjorn was a lovely man, a real
gentleman, and had a lot of the history of the company in his memory.   I
use the past tense because, unfortunately, he recently passed away.

But, I know that Hasselblad have all the history of all their products in a
large register.   I gave Torbjorn the serial number of my camera and he was
able to tell me the exact date that it was made, show me the test results
and even introduced me to the person who assembled it.

Regards 
Peter

Email: peter@peterwalker.com
URL: http://www.peterwalker.com

On 19/12/01 3:05 PM, "Hasselblad" <hasselblad@kelvin.net> wrote:

> 
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:31:58 EST
> From: PeteScherm@aol.com
> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
> Subject: Re: [HUG] Lenses and numbers
> Message-ID: <137.66c24a6.29509f4e@aol.com>
> 
> For those who are keeping track of this:
> 
> After a number of letters to Zeiss and Hasselblad, in April 1999, I received
> a letter from Torbjorn Eriksson of Customer Relations at VHAB Sweden.  He was
> able to date my lenses for me.
> 
> My 250 chrome, non-T*, ser. # 1594 823 was made in 1958.
> 
> My 50 chrome, non-T*, ser. # 4344 137 was made in 1969.
> 
> My 80 black, T*, ser. #  6075 565 was made in 1977.
> 
> 
> Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:52:47 +0800
From: "Stein" <stein@bekkers.com.au>
To: "Ken & Shell McC" <pixlated@powerup.com.au>, <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Buying a second-hand 500C/M
Message-ID: <00b401c188a5$827e9640$a1b237cb@oemcomputer>

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Dear Ken,

     That price is about right for our local market here in Perth if the =
500 C/M is in very good condition and if it has a T* lens. You didn't =
mention if the 80mm Planar is one of the C or CF types. In any case it =
should be black on the outside and clear on the inside where the glass =
is....

     Jokes aside, the prism for $ 150 is good if you intend to use it at =
eye level, but look carefully to see if there is any fungus growth in =
the top of it - it'll sho up as a brown stain like a watermark. Also, if =
it is one of the older CdS meter prisms, you probably can't expect the =
meter to work.

    Hopefully it will have a good focussing screen. If it is, well and =
good - if it is a scratchy old devil, consider getting an Acute-Matte =
screen and mounting that - it really does make a difference. A-M screens =
can be several hundred dollars to buy, though.

    Cycle the camera, make a note of any scrunching, pops, or parts =
falling on the floor. Look through the rear curtains at the camera =
shooting at all apertures and speeds to amke sure it is doing what it =
says it is. Try the synch by fconnecting a flash unit and directing the =
light at a nearby wall while you look through the rear curtains - fire =
it at the smallest aperture and the 3 top speeds to see that it does =
uncover at the right time.

    The light seals in the magazine may have gone in this time - =
depending on whether the magazine is the original item or not. These can =
be replaced by the repair agent C.R.Kennedy there in Brisbane for about =
$ 100.

    The rest of your questions about operations when you get the camera =
can be answered by reference to Ernst Wildi's book on the Hasselblad =
system or the Focal Press book on the subject. Either is really =
invaluable.

    Please email me off-list if there is any other help I can offer.

     Uncle Dick

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Ken,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That price is =
about right=20
for our local market here in Perth if the 500 C/M is in very good =
condition and=20
if it has a T* lens. You didn't mention if the 80mm Planar is one of the =
C or CF=20
types. In any case it should be black on the outside and clear on the =
inside=20
where the glass is....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jokes aside, =
the prism for=20
$ 150 is good if you intend to use it at eye level, but look carefully =
to see if=20
there is any fungus growth in the top of it - it'll sho up as a brown =
stain like=20
a watermark. Also, if it is one of the older CdS meter prisms, you =
probably=20
can't expect the meter to work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hopefully it will =
have a good=20
focussing screen. If it is, well and good - if it is a scratchy old =
devil,=20
consider getting an Acute-Matte screen and mounting that - it really =
does make a=20
difference. A-M screens can be several hundred dollars to buy,=20
though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cycle the camera, =
make a note of=20
any scrunching, pops, or parts falling on the floor. Look through the =
rear=20
curtains at the camera shooting at all apertures and speeds to amke sure =
it is=20
doing what it says it is. Try the synch by fconnecting a flash unit and=20
directing the light at a nearby wall while you look through the rear =
curtains -=20
fire it at the smallest aperture and the 3 top speeds to see that it =
does=20
uncover at the right time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The light seals in =
the magazine=20
may have gone in this time - depending on whether the magazine is the =
original=20
item or not. These can be replaced by the repair agent C.R.Kennedy there =
in=20
Brisbane for about $ 100.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The rest of your =
questions about=20
operations when you get the camera can be answered by reference to Ernst =
Wildi's=20
book on the Hasselblad system or the Focal Press book on the subject. =
Either is=20
really invaluable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please email me =
off-list if=20
there is any other help I can offer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Uncle=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:17:39 -0000
From: "Steve Gullick" <Steve.Gullick@btinternet.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Another daft question
Message-ID: <001b01c188b1$10585d60$592d073e@steve>

When fitting a lens to a body, does it just push and twist, or is there a
trick to it.

Thanks

Steve

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:19:50 -0500
From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: [HUG] Another daft question
Message-ID: <NABBLIJOIFAICKBIEPJJEECHNKAA.darkroom@ix.netcom.com>

Steve,

The two, body and lense, have to be both in the same "state".  Body wound,
and lense "cocked".  You can tell if the lense is cocked if the slotted
coupling has the slot facing the dot...basically, tangential to the lense.

Austin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Gullick [mailto:Steve.Gullick@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:18 PM
> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
> Subject: [HUG] Another daft question
>
>
> When fitting a lens to a body, does it just push and twist, or is there a
> trick to it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:57:59 -0500
From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <NABBLIJOIFAICKBIEPJJIECNNKAA.darkroom@ix.netcom.com>

Does anyone know if the E24CC magazines ever were available with darkslide
holders?  I can't find a product code for it, nor is one shown/discussed,
that I could find, in the Hasselblad Compendium.

Thanks,

Austin

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:03:41 -0000
From: "ian.barnes" <ian@ianbarnes.co.uk>
To: "Ken & Shell McC" <pixlated@powerup.com.au>,
	<hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: [HUG] Re: Buying a second-hand 500C/M
Message-ID: <HAEJKHBHLNJNGIMNEKGJKECKCCAA.ian@ianbarnes.co.uk>

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When buying s/h hasselblad due to the mechanical nature of the beast you do
get the odd problem but most problems are fixable and usually due to a lack
of servicing.
Get a guarentee from the shop. Check out a camera repair man preferably from
personal reccomendation and ask when the camera was last serviced.Get a
price for a service just so you know what to expect. Think of the camera
like an old car.Well build, repairable but needs more attention then a new
model but if looked after will go on forever. Silly thing happen like the
slow shutter speeds get very slow apparantly due to old lube and poss dirt.
A simple clean up cures it.Ideally run a roll of film through. Brilliant
cameras Love em
just a list of a few checks to do.Probably many others.
Take off back and cock and fire at all apatures and speeds a few times. you
will get a feel for the camera.Watch through the back to see if the apature
is shutting smartly.Try to guess the slow speeds say 1 sec.Any
irregularities will need a service.
Take off the lens and look through at full apature .Look into the lens
center and see if there are any 'spiders web' effect which are lens fungus
and may be a major problem.Look on the optics for scratches. Be very wary of
either as both affect the image.
Put the back on and remove slide.Fire off 12 shots and the counter should
read 12!!. Open the magazine and the counter should return to 0.If not may
need service.(I think this line is correct.
Have a read of Listquest.com on the past questions on the HUG and you will
find plenty of similar advice etc.All good stuff.
I really am not an expert so,all credit due to everyone on the list for
helping with the steep learning curves we all go through when starting out
with Hasselblad.
Hope this helps
Ian


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ken & Shell McC [mailto:pixlated@powerup.com.au]
  Sent: 19 December 2001 01:33
  To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
  Subject: [HUG] Re: Buying a second-hand 500C/M


  Dear All,

  I'm new to this list and also to middle-format photography! I would like
to ask the more experienced members for some advice regarding the purchase
of a second-hand Hasselblad, here are the details -

  500C/M, with 80mm f/2.8 (Carl Zeiss) standard lens.
  A12 Back
  Lens Hood
  Strap
  Waist Level Finder
  Price - $2100 Australian Dollars (also, an option of an old 45degree Prism
Finder for an extra $150)

  This camera has been put aside for me to look at tomorrow, the 20th Dec
(my birthday present!) in a camera store in Brisbane.

  It's prefix is RH, which means, if I have it correctly, that it was made
in 1982.
  The camera is in excellent condition I'm told. If anybody can give me any
advise as to what I should be wary of, any problems in particular I should
look out for, I would be very grateful. But any answers would need to be
quick as I've got less than a day before checking it out!!

  Thanks in advance for any help,

  With Kind Regards,

  Ken McConville.



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get the=20
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servicing.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>Get a=20
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from=20
personal reccomendation and ask when the camera was last serviced.Get a =
price=20
for a service just so you know what to expect. Think of the camera like =
an old=20
car.Well build, repairable but needs more attention then a new model but =
if=20
looked after will go on forever. Silly thing happen like the slow =
shutter speeds=20
get very slow apparantly due to old lube and poss dirt. A simple clean =
up cures=20
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em</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>just a=20
list of a few checks to do.Probably many others.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>Take=20
off back and cock and fire at all apatures and speeds a few times. you =
will get=20
a feel for the camera.Watch through the back to see if the apature is =
shutting=20
smartly.Try to guess the slow speeds say 1 sec.Any irregularities will =
need a=20
service.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>Take=20
off the lens and look through at full apature .Look into the lens center =
and see=20
if there are any 'spiders web' effect which are lens fungus and may be a =
major=20
problem.Look on the optics for scratches. Be very wary of either as both =
affect=20
the image.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>Put=20
the back on and remove slide.Fire off 12 shots and the counter should =
read 12!!.=20
Open the magazine and the counter should return to 0.If not may need =
service.(I=20
think this line is correct.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>Have a=20
read of Listquest.com on the past questions on the HUG and you will find =
plenty=20
of similar advice etc.All good stuff.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>I=20
really am not an expert so,all credit due to everyone on the list for =
helping=20
with the steep learning curves we all go through when starting out with=20
Hasselblad.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820561810-19122001>Hope=20
this helps</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D820561810-19122001>Ian</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D820561810-19122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D820561810-19122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ken &amp; Shell =
McC=20
  [mailto:pixlated@powerup.com.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 19 December 2001=20
  01:33<BR><B>To:</B> hasselblad@kelvin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [HUG] Re: =
Buying=20
  a second-hand 500C/M<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I'm new to this list and =
also to=20
  middle-format photography! I would like to ask the more experienced =
members=20
  for some advice regarding the purchase of a second-hand Hasselblad, =
here are=20
  the details -&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>500C/M, with 80mm f/2.8 =
(Carl Zeiss)=20
  standard lens.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>A12 Back</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Lens Hood</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Strap</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Waist Level =
Finder</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Price - $2100 Australian=20
  Dollars&nbsp;(also, an option of an old 45degree Prism Finder for an =
extra=20
  $150)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>This camera has been put =
aside for me=20
  to look at tomorrow, the 20th Dec (my birthday present!) in a camera =
store in=20
  Brisbane. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>It's prefix is RH, which =
means, if I=20
  have it correctly, that it was made in 1982. </FONT></DIV>The camera =
is in=20
  excellent condition I'm told. If anybody can give me any advise as to =
what I=20
  should&nbsp;be wary of, any problems&nbsp;in particular&nbsp;I should =
look out=20
  for, I would be very grateful. But any answers would need to be quick =
as I've=20
  got less than a day before checking it out!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks in advance for any=20
  help,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>With Kind =
Regards,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Ken =
McConville.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:11:32 +0100
From: "Q.G. de Bakker" <qnu@worldonline.nl>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <040a01c188e2$80e719a0$d6e9f1c3@qnu350>

Austin Franklin wrote:

> Does anyone know if the E24CC magazines ever were available with darkslide
> holders?  I can't find a product code for it, nor is one shown/discussed,
> that I could find, in the Hasselblad Compendium.

No. The E24CC magazine was dropped in 1994 at the same time as darkslide
holders were introduced.

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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:18:19 +0100
From: "Q.G. de Bakker" <qnu@worldonline.nl>
To: <ian@ianbarnes.co.uk>, <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Buying a second-hand 500C/M
Message-ID: <041001c188e3$735ccd60$d6e9f1c3@qnu350>

ian.barnes wrote:

>Put the back on and remove slide.Fire off 12 shots and the counter should
read 12!!.

It will definitely not (only "8") if you don't set the counter to 1 before
you fire 12 shots!
And even when you do, it will show "12" after having fired 11 shots!
It should show nothing at all after 12 shots.
;-)

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:18:08 -0500
From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Q.G. de Bakker" <qnu@worldonline.nl>,
	<hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <NABBLIJOIFAICKBIEPJJEEEANKAA.darkroom@ix.netcom.com>

> Austin Franklin wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if the E24CC magazines ever were available
> with darkslide
> > holders?  I can't find a product code for it, nor is one
> shown/discussed,
> > that I could find, in the Hasselblad Compendium.
>
> No. The E24CC magazine was dropped in 1994 at the same time as darkslide
> holders were introduced.

So, there is currently NO E24CC magazine you can buy from Hasselblad?  I
guess they figure everyone who shoots a 205 only wants 12 CC'd exposures?

Bummer,

Austin

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:27:46 -0500
From: "Rolf Katzenstein" <rgk@farmington.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <324FEA84161BF348997B4227DDC6B13502CB8B@MONSTER.farmington.com>

After one buys a 205 one can only afford 120.

-----Original Message-----
From: Austin Franklin [mailto:darkroom@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:18 PM
To: Q.G. de Bakker; hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...



> Austin Franklin wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if the E24CC magazines ever were available
> with darkslide
> > holders?  I can't find a product code for it, nor is one
> shown/discussed,
> > that I could find, in the Hasselblad Compendium.
>
> No. The E24CC magazine was dropped in 1994 at the same time as
darkslide
> holders were introduced.

So, there is currently NO E24CC magazine you can buy from Hasselblad?  I
guess they figure everyone who shoots a 205 only wants 12 CC'd
exposures?

Bummer,

Austin

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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:02:53 +0100
From: "Q.G. de Bakker" <qnu@worldonline.nl>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <04b301c188e9$ad47b5c0$d6e9f1c3@qnu350>

Austin Franklin wrote:

> So, there is currently NO E24CC magazine you can buy from Hasselblad?  I
> guess they figure everyone who shoots a 205 only wants 12 CC'd exposures?

No and yes. ;-)

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:37:52 -0500
From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Q.G. de Bakker" <qnu@worldonline.nl>,
	<hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <NABBLIJOIFAICKBIEPJJCEEINKAA.darkroom@ix.netcom.com>

> Austin Franklin wrote:
>
> > So, there is currently NO E24CC magazine you can buy from Hasselblad?  I
> > guess they figure everyone who shoots a 205 only wants 12 CC'd
> exposures?
>
> No and yes. ;-)

Grrr...

Thanks and, well, no thanks ;-/  (meant in humor...)

Austin

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:38:48 -0800
From: Mark Rabiner <mark@markrabiner.com>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <3C214F39.DA828579@markrabiner.com>

Well i would not consider a medium format camera which did not take 220 film.

I hate to sound like a wedding photographer but my first back was a 220
back in 1980.
I now have 2 220's 2 120's a couple of 645's and a 70.

I shot a family yesterday on the white backdrop two rolls of 220 plus x.
A very smooth shoot. Gorgeous negs ran in Xtol 1:3 for 11 minutes in
metal tank.

I only use 120 for landscapes and products. Never people. Maybe for
walking around with.

They drop the prices of the 200 series bodies and for split second i
actuary considered phasing my Hasselblad system in that direction.
Not now.

I look again at the Contax 645 system.

Mark Rabiner
Portland, Oregon USA
http://www.markrabiner.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:22:25 -0500
From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>
To: <mark@markrabiner.com>,
	<hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
Message-ID: <NABBLIJOIFAICKBIEPJJOEEMNKAA.darkroom@ix.netcom.com>

Hi Mark,

It WILL take an E24 back...or an A24 back...with no problems at all.
 The -CC backs are only for use with Zone System compensation on the 205
cameras only...so only if you want to use Zone system for 220 film is there
a problem, unless you can find a used or NOS E24CC back, which I did, at a
pretty reasonable price...but noticed it didn't have the darkslide
holder...hence my question.

Austin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Rabiner [mailto:mark@markrabiner.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:39 PM
> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
> Subject: Re: [HUG] E24CC magazines...
>
>
> Well i would not consider a medium format camera which did not
> take 220 film.
>
> I hate to sound like a wedding photographer but my first back was a 220
> back in 1980.
> I now have 2 220's 2 120's a couple of 645's and a 70.
>
> I shot a family yesterday on the white backdrop two rolls of 220 plus x.
> A very smooth shoot. Gorgeous negs ran in Xtol 1:3 for 11 minutes in
> metal tank.
>
> I only use 120 for landscapes and products. Never people. Maybe for
> walking around with.
>
> They drop the prices of the 200 series bodies and for split second i
> actuary considered phasing my Hasselblad system in that direction.
> Not now.
>
> I look again at the Contax 645 system.
>
> Mark Rabiner
> Portland, Oregon USA
> http://www.markrabiner.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:50:15 -0800
From: Rick Nordin <nordin@bc1.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: lenses and manufacturing dates
Message-ID: <B846AE07.653%nordin@bc1.com>

> From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i@earthlink.net>
> To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
> Subject: RE: [HUG] Lenses and numbers
> Message-ID: <NEBBJDFBIKOBILIKPPBNKEHGHOAA.red735i@earthlink.net>
> 
> This IS interesting.. Hasselblad traditionally denied being capable of doing
> this.... I wonder if the HUG email is somehow getting over there and being
> regurgitated to us?  Or if they have found new information that could assist
> us?  Rick Nordin.. do you have any idea?

My experience has been that the factory never kept records of such data for
any length of time nor was much interest ever expressed in this by
outsiders. My inquires were never very fruitful and this was why I went to
the effort of trying to answer the question of "when was this lens made?"
and compiling the (imperfect) table that is in the Hasselblad Compendium.
After the book came out, Torbjorn told me that they used the book as a
reference for many of the questions that they received from Hasselblad users
where historical questions were involved (which I was quite astonished by).
However the dates that Tjorbjorn quoted for two of the three lenses of Pete
Schermerhorn in his response are not the same as are listed in the book, so
perhaps Torbjorn made a special effort (as he often did) to obtain the dates
he provided from another source. I wish he were still with us to ask - he
had a wealth of knowledge and was a very pleasant man.

Rick

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:14:25 -0800
From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i@earthlink.net>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: RE: [HUG] lenses and manufacturing dates
Message-ID: <NEBBJDFBIKOBILIKPPBNIENEHOAA.red735i@earthlink.net>

Thanks, Rick,  for the commentary.....   The whole subject of kept data has
eluded us.  If Torbjorn did find the Holy Grail, and we have lost the trail
to it yet again, it would be a shame.  But knowing that it might still
exist, and therefore could be found yet again, gives us something to smile
about.

I guess he is still with us........

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net

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