hasselblad Tue, 25 Dec 2001 Volume 1 : Number 1449 In this issue: Re: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Happy Xmas RE: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad RE: [HUG] Striking out with digital imaging Re: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Re: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Historical medium/large format photography in East Asia Re: [HUG] Film Scanner NEwZgrp Re: [HUG] Development confusion!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:21:18 +0800 From: "Stein" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Message-ID: <004d01c18c6d$36a9b4e0$78b237cb@oemcomputer> Dear Thomas, You must be very careful on this list. You can only believe 15 % of what you read on it. That 15% is the stuff I write. Of course there are the experts like de Bakker who SEEM to be putting you straight on lenses and serial numbers and suchlike, but can you really trust him? He seems to know too much about Queensland for comfort. Or Rabiner who claims to run a studio and take pictures for a website and such. He may claim to be from Seattle but is he really a front for a group of highly organised Mexican bandits? I, for one, am suspicious. I have it on good authority that he has eaten enchiladas. Still, we can wait for the FBI, BATF, AWA, and Mother's League to check them out and report. This should be early in the new year. Until then, screw your courage to the sticking point and your Hasselblad to the old Linhof and blaze away. Uncle Dick PS: Yes, yes, it is Christmas Eve and I have opened the Guinness but I can still spel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:37:30 -0000 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Happy Xmas Message-ID: <008a01c18c6f$5f234510$31040a0a@office.phoenixdb.com> A Happy & Peaceful Christmas to everyone on the list and very best wishes for the New Year. Have a great holiday all. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:55:50 -0800 From: Mike Kirwan To: Stein , hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Message-ID: Well at least you spelled Guiness correctly. It is one of my favorite tipples, have you tried with Murphy's 1:1. Good combination, very tasty and gives an interesting tone to Ilford FB Warm Tone. Happy Holidays to all...Mike -----Original Message----- From: Stein [mailto:stein@bekkers.com.au] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 3:21 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Dear Thomas, You must be very careful on this list. You can only believe 15 % of what you read on it. That 15% is the stuff I write. Of course there are the experts like de Bakker who SEEM to be putting you straight on lenses and serial numbers and suchlike, but can you really trust him? He seems to know too much about Queensland for comfort. Or Rabiner who claims to run a studio and take pictures for a website and such. He may claim to be from Seattle but is he really a front for a group of highly organised Mexican bandits? I, for one, am suspicious. I have it on good authority that he has eaten enchiladas. Still, we can wait for the FBI, BATF, AWA, and Mother's League to check them out and report. This should be early in the new year. Until then, screw your courage to the sticking point and your Hasselblad to the old Linhof and blaze away. Uncle Dick PS: Yes, yes, it is Christmas Eve and I have opened the Guinness but I can still spel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:44:03 -0800 From: "Eric Stral" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Striking out with digital imaging Message-ID: <001801c18ca2$93aaa7f0$08121c0a@pdx.ekc> David, Sounds like you are using some really old or bad equipment. Today's PC's are really cheap when compared to years ago. Here is my system: PC with 2 Pentium III 1ghz processors, 1gb ram running Windows 2000 Professional. With this setup, everything takes seconds not minutes. My scanning setup is a little more exotic. I have a Flextight Photo, this can scan up to 6mm x 18 mm negs or transparencies. It is the closeist thing to a drum scanner I have seen, without purchasing a drum scanner. Major drawbacks: PC software needs to be updated (supposedly next Feb but who knows), a 175 mb scan can take up to 15 minutes. I have evaluated the Polaroid and Nikon medium format scanners, they do an excellent job, but this baby is really the best. For printing I used to use an Epson 12xx printer, several different flavors. I found problems using Epson consumer equipment: very slow printing and color variations between ink cartridges. I have now moved to an Epson 5500 professional series printer, it takes less than 5 minutes to print a full 8x10 print and the ink cartridges are much larger with inks that have greater quality control to maintain consistency between cartridges. Also, there are 4 separate carts to handle the 6 color inks.This printer is worth looking into for prints you are giving to customers. Archival papers are available and the quality is outstanding. Hope this helps, if you have any questions please let me know. I have been studing this for a long time. Don't make my mistakes, make new ones of your own! Eric -----Original Message----- From: David Meiland [mailto:david@meiland.com] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 5:30 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Striking out with digital imaging Curious to see if I could make a good print from a 120 slide, I spent a futile 2 hours this afternoon and am convinced that medium format film is here to stay for quite a while. First, I scanned the slide, using a cheesy Epson 1200 Photo scanner (says it will do 2400 DPI, but I know it's not really true). The resulting file was 65 MB. Just rotating the thing to vertical took 4 minutes on my late-model PC. Cropping took another 3. Sharpening, another 5. Cloning was easy on an image this size, that's the only good part. By this time I was too bored to try adjusting the color, so I saved the image (2 minutes) and tried to print (Canon S800). Getting a print preview screen, 3 minutes. Adjusting the orientation of the paper, 3 minutes. On the first send to the printer, the machine froze. Restart, try again, and voila, I get a highly pixellated print on a $1 piece of paper. Scale down and re-print (15 minutes) and I get something that's not much better (from a 4800 x 4800 file). I tried a few other things, and the best print I got looks pathetic next to even an Ilfochrome reject. Now, I'm sure there are a lot of things I could learn about this, and I could certainly spend more money on hardware to get better scans and faster processing. Still, I'm persuaded that for what I want (medium to large prints, razor sharpness, wide tonal range, smashing color, zero pixels visible, highly archival, easily obtainable and repeatable, widely accepted by galleries and customers should I be lucky enough to have a few, and no teeth-gnashing or hair-pulling), the digital age has not arrived for me. It's still either off to a standard darkroom printer, or maybe off to one of the equally costly digital printers. Anyway, that's how I spent part of a rainy day. Anyone doing any better with this stuff? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:50:19 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Message-ID: <3C2786FA.3E6C4ECF@markrabiner.com> Mike Kirwan wrote: > > Or Rabiner who claims to run a studio and take pictures for a website > and such. He may claim to be from Seattle but is he really a front for a > group of highly organised Mexican bandits? I, for one, am suspicious. I have > it on good authority that he has eaten enchiladas. I am from Brooklyn New York as was my mother and father before me. Seattle i went to once, could not find a place to park. Went home. Now when i go there i take the train. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.markrabiner.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:13:22 -0500 From: Jesse Hellman To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] (THANKS!) Camera tripods for the Hasselblad Message-ID: <3C278C66.30EB1845@home.com> We fail?....and we shall not fail! Especially if we drink our Guiness with Uncle Dick, screw our Hasselblads to the Ries, eat enchiladas with the best, while waiting up for St. Nick...Buon natale e un felice anno nuovo to all the HUG and LUG. Jesse > Still, we can wait for the FBI, BATF, AWA, and Mother's League to check > them out and report. This should be early in the new year. Until then, screw > your courage to the sticking point and your Hasselblad to the old Linhof and > blaze away. > > Uncle Dick > > PS: Yes, yes, it is Christmas Eve and I have opened the Guinness but I can > still spel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:05:41 -0600 From: "Thomas Hahn" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Historical medium/large format photography in East Asia Message-ID: For those of you interested in things historical, and things Chinese, and photography (I can hear everybody shouting "pick me, pick me"!), here is an image perhaps of some interest. It shows a Japanese photographer, suspended from a balloon, taking shots of the ground battle between Chinese and Japanese troups waging way below him, with a large (10x8"?) format camera. The war took place in 1894. http://www.library.cornell.edu/wason/Photoweb/balloon.jpg For historical photography in China (yes, lots of Rollei and ROlleichords were used; no Hassys, though, sorry, they arrived too late on the scene), check out http://www.library.cornell.edu/wason/Photoweb/ Just for your viewing pleasure and reference (it's Chrismas, after all) Thomas in Ithaca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:54:54 -0800 From: Patrick Bartek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Film Scanner NEwZgrp Message-ID: <01122418545402.00629@localhost.localdomain> On Saturday 22 December 2001 22:28, Daniel K. Lee wrote: > I'm looking for a good film scanners newsgroup...any recs? The only photo related one I know of is: rec.photo.digital. It encompasses all digital photography including scanning. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:17:40 -0800 From: Patrick Bartek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Development confusion!! Message-ID: <01122419174003.00629@localhost.localdomain> On Sunday 23 December 2001 04:24, Sharookh Mehta wrote: > In the Zone System, we talk of N+1 or N-1 and so on. In actuality, > this is a specific value of more or less development which the film > receives. Thereafter, printed on a specific grade of paper one > obtains the required image. > > When we talk of scanning a negative and printing it through our > printers is it necessary to give specific development when we can > manipulate tonality and contrast curves through digital software?? > > I'd like to hear views on this please. Yes, you can do expansions and contractions digitally, but you'll still need at least a full range negative, that is, you'll want a neg that doesn't have "blocked" highlights or no or weak shadow values. Although this would only be problem with contrasty scenes. However, it would take a lot of experimentation and/or calibration to set up your software to duplicate film's non-linear nature response to exposure and development. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1449 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. 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