hasselblad Thu, 3 Jan 2002 Volume 1 : Number 1458 In this issue: FW: [HUG] - RE: [HUG] Happy Xmas Re: [HUG] - street pix and prisms Re: [HUG] - street pix and prisms Re: FW: [HUG] - RE: FW: [HUG] - Hasselblad on ebay Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay FS: 501cm, A12 - and ebay comment RE: [HUG] FS: 501cm, A12 - and ebay comment Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Value of 250CF lens Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:29:31 -0500 From: "Lysek, Ron" To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: FW: [HUG] - Message-ID: <05C8D85EFF12D41180CC0008C7D21C3702DA770B@SHLR01EXC01> > -----Original Message----- > From: Lysek, Ron > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:31 AM > To: 'HASSELBLAD@KELVIN.NET' > Subject: [HUG] - > > > Hello - I am looking to expand into medium format photography because i > desire greater contrast and clarity in my negatives. I am trying to > figure out which medium format camera best suits my needs. I take mostly > urban street scenes and unposed portraits. My 35mm Nikon F3 works very > well but I still don't get the clarity and sharpness in my pictures that > comes from the larger format negatives and Zeiss lens. The biggest > obstacle to using a 500 series Hasselblad appears to be the unmetered > viewfinder. I am perfectly comfortable with completely manual exposure > control but I do not have the ability to use a light meter on my subjects > because it is mostly done spontaneously. So, my question is: Has anyone > used a 501 or 503 with a metered prism and if so how are the rresults? Or > would I be better off stepping up to the 200 series which has the built in > meter? Or am I crazy for trying to use a "studio" camera for street > photography? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:40:12 -0600 From: "WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) (USA)" To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: [HUG] Happy Xmas Message-ID: <1408A865DCF403478A33EE887F874732121A90@jsc-mail03.jsc.nasa.gov> Thankyou! I hope you and your hubby and your kitties had a great one! Anything new going on in your world? Welcome back to the salt mine! It's kind of funny (or sick) that me and all my coworkers are so glad to be back at work! I was gone for 15 days! Waaaay to long for just sitting around with friends and family, even though it was nice that I was on the west coast the whole time. Have a great day! :o) -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@sclamb.com] Sent: 24. desember 2001 05:38 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Happy Xmas A Happy & Peaceful Christmas to everyone on the list and very best wishes for the New Year. Have a great holiday all. Simon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:58:26 -0800 From: Mark Kronquist To: Subject: Re: [HUG] - street pix and prisms Message-ID: I use a 500 series for street photos all the time works like a charm. I prefer unmetered Kiev Hasselblad copy prisms for convenience/cost. If the meter is the key... Hasselblad has been giving a "rebate" of metered prisms for some time, in addition, Kiev makes a metered prism that works well. There must be more than a few of these metered prisms finding their way onto the market at a good price. For Kiev metered and unmetered prisms try Igor Russian Camera Exchange (510) 559-7707 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:01:19 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] - street pix and prisms Message-ID: You might also want to consider a Mamiya 6 or Mamiya 7. Very compact (especially the 6), outstanding optics (easily on par with, if not sharper than, their larger SLR brethren) and, these days, ridiculously well-priced on the used market. I used to have a Mamiya 6 system and frankly regret having sold it two or three years ago. The lenses were razor-sharp, the camera was easily as quiet than a Leica and just as portable. The coolest thing is that people are selling the M6 with all three lenses for around $2,300-$2,500 these days. That's the price of a used 501 kit, more or less, and certainly w/o the metered prism. Two different beasts, of course, but for purely street photography, I think the Mamiyas are faster handling, etc., etc. Your mileage may vary. The second alternative is the Mamiya 7. It is bulkier, but has more lenses. I have the 43mm which, as anyone can testify, is one amazingly sharp, well-corrected lens. The standard lens is also great, although I wish I had the 65 instead. The 150, which I don't have but have used, is great for impromptu portraits and is scary sharp. And...you can hand-hold these things at slower speeds than a Hassy and get far better results (no mirror, etc.). You do have to beware of parallax error, but I find that to be a matter of quick practice. On 1/2/02 8:58 AM, "Mark Kronquist" wrote: > I use a 500 series for street photos all the time works like a charm. I > prefer unmetered Kiev Hasselblad copy prisms for convenience/cost. > > If the meter is the key... > > Hasselblad has been giving a "rebate" of metered prisms for some time, in > addition, Kiev makes a metered prism that works well. There must be more > than a few of these metered prisms finding their way onto the market at a > good price. > > > For Kiev metered and unmetered prisms try > Igor Russian Camera Exchange > (510) 559-7707 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:58:18 -0800 From: David Gerhardt To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: FW: [HUG] - Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 05:29 AM, Lysek, Ron wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lysek, Ron >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:31 AM >> To: 'HASSELBLAD@KELVIN.NET' >> Subject: [HUG] - >> >> So, my question is: Has anyone >> used a 501 or 503 with a metered prism and if so how are the >> rresults? Or >> would I be better off stepping up to the 200 series which has the >> built in >> meter? Or am I crazy for trying to use a "studio" camera for street >> photography? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Ron- I used both a 500 series camera (500c/m) and a 200 series (203FE) for similar types of shots... the 203 is indeed much "easier" to use (as long as price is not an issue). Overall, the 203 is a much more flexible camera. When using the 500c/m, I'd rely on occasional use of a hand-held meter (and the exposure latitude of the film!), to ensure my exposures were fairly accurate. At the time, it did not seem like that big of a deal (15-20 years ago). If the lighting changed substantially, I'd take another meter reading. The trouble with the metered prism is that the things are BIG and HEAVY (and, at the time, expensive; Hasselblad wasn't "giving them away"). And, no, I don't think you're crazy for trying to use a medium format camera for street photography; it just makes it a little more challenging. -David Gerhardt (davidgerhardt@mindspring.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:19:47 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: FW: [HUG] - Message-ID: > >> So, my question is: Has anyone > >> used a 501 or 503 with a metered prism and if so how are the > >> rresults? Or > >> would I be better off stepping up to the 200 series which has the > >> built in > >> meter? Or am I crazy for trying to use a "studio" camera for street > >> photography? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks I loved my PME3 with both my 500 and 2000 series cameras. It was spot on, so to say, and was a pleasure to use...very very easy. Read the EV, set the lense, adjust for shutter or aperture and shoot. The ONLY reason I don't use it now, is I am trying to lighten my load, so I now use a 205 with built-in meter. I take my Hasselblad everywhere...so lighter is good, since I'm also getting older, and not as interested in "he-man'ing" it... BTW, the new PME45 apparently has both spot and average metering...looks fantastic! Regards, Austin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:38:51 -0500 From: "Werner Drechsel" To: Subject: Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: <001901c193e6$a36438a0$f97b6395@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C193BC.B9C4C620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M = body advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 = separate ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and = a Nikkor 15mm lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 = to service them. Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the = seller to take back these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the = extra money, its worth it. Werner Drechsel ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C193BC.B9C4C620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just read David Hodges' comments on = ebay=20 purchases. I bought a 500 C/M body advertised as "Mint" and had to spent = $250 to=20 unjam the body. In 3 separate ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a=20 Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor 15mm lens all advertised as = "Mint"=20 and guess what, another $500 to service them. Even the Dispute = Resolution=20 process does not force the seller to take back these goods. I agree, = stick to a=20 dealer, spent the extra money, its worth it.
Werner = Drechsel
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C193BC.B9C4C620-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:01:02 -0800 From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: <3C339F3E.346CCCF9@worldnet.att.net> > Werner Drechsel wrote: > > I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 > C/M body advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. > In 3 separate ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount > body and a Nikkor 15mm lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess > what, another $500 to service them. Even the Dispute Resolution > process does not force the seller to take back these goods. I agree, > stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its worth it. > Werner Drechsel #1. You should have returned it to the seller. #2. You should leave some very nasty feedback on the seller. #3. I believe Ebay has a dispute path that will take care of you. I know it did me. -- _______________________________ Dick Werner 112 South Brighton St. Burbank, Ca., 91506 (818) 845-4667 helenadick@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~blackbird711/manual.html http://home.att.net/~blackbird711/hassequip.html _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:13:19 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102160243.01cdbac0@pop.alink.net> --=====================_-1802007720==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maybe I've just been lucky. I just bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertised as new/mint. Guess what... it was. Likewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. Hass extension tubes, lens shades, enlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holders, and dozens of other photo stuff. Always as advertised. However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller before even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with me during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him/her to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convoluted, I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the item. I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way he answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, their verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who you are dealing with. Jim At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote: >I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M >body advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 >separate ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a >Nikkor 15mm lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to >service them. Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the >seller to take back these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the >extra money, its worth it. >Werner Drechsel --=====================_-1802007720==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Maybe I've just been lucky. I just bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertised as new/mint. Guess what... it was. Likewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. Hass extension tubes, lens shades, enlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holders, and dozens of other photo stuff. Always as advertised.

However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller before even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with me during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him/her to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convoluted, I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the item.

I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way he answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, their verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who you are dealing with.

Jim


At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote:
I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M body advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 separate ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor 15mm lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to service them. Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the seller to take back these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its worth it.
Werner Drechsel
--=====================_-1802007720==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:31:50 -0800 From: Mike Kirwan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_eK3+o6tjzMH++cgUwAee6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Like Jim, I have purchased a whole slew of camera, lens, enlarger and other photographic related accessories over a 2-year period. Everything except one item was as advertised. I purchased a Baby Graphic 23. Pictures looked great and the camera appreared to be in mint condition. When it arrived you could see why, the body had been painted with black enamel and was still tacky. To add insult to injury the bellows had been painted with the same stuff and because they were porous had dried closed and could not be extended. Went after the seller, went after EBay - no go, the theme on EBay "Buyer Beware" really applies. I salvaged the lens which was in very good condition the roll-film backs and dumped the body and sold them privately and ended up being out less than $50.00 Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jim Brick [mailto:jim@brick.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:13 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Maybe I've just been lucky. I just bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertised as new/mint. Guess what... it was. Likewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. Hass extension tubes, lens shades, enlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holders, and dozens of other photo stuff. Always as advertised. However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller before even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with me during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him/her to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convoluted, I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the item. I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way he answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, their verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who you are dealing with. Jim At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote: I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M body advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 separate ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor 15mm lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to service them. Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the seller to take back these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its worth it. Werner Drechsel --Boundary_(ID_eK3+o6tjzMH++cgUwAee6w) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Like Jim, I have purchased a whole slew of camera, lens, enlarger and other photographic related accessories over a 2-year period. Everything except one item was as advertised. I purchased a Baby Graphic 23. Pictures looked great and the camera appreared to be in mint condition. When it arrived you could see why, the body had been painted with black enamel and was still tacky. To add insult to injury the bellows had been painted with the same stuff and because they were porous had dried closed and could not be extended.
 
Went after the seller, went after EBay - no go, the theme on EBay "Buyer Beware" really applies. I salvaged the lens which was in very good condition the roll-film backs and dumped the body and sold them privately and ended up being out less than $50.00
 
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Brick [mailto:jim@brick.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:13 PM
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net; hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay

Maybe I've just been lucky. I just bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertised as new/mint. Guess what... it was. Likewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. Hass extension tubes, lens shades, enlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holders, and dozens of other photo stuff. Always as advertised.

However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller before even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with me during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him/her to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convoluted, I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the item.

I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way he answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, their verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who you are dealing with.

Jim


At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote:
I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M body advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 separate ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor 15mm lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to service them. Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the seller to take back these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its worth it.
Werner Drechsel
--Boundary_(ID_eK3+o6tjzMH++cgUwAee6w)-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:41:54 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3092834514_1809472 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Jim is exactly right. You can tell a great deal =8B and have a good time =8B just by getting to know someone a bit before taking the plunge. I try to swap phone numbers. Five minutes on the phone is better than a pile of emails and goes a long way toward laying the groundwork for a good deal (or giving you a reason to back off). On 1/2/02 4:13 PM, "Jim Brick" wrote: > Maybe I've just been lucky. I just bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertise= d as > new/mint. Guess what... it was. Likewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. = Hass > extension tubes, lens shades, enlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holder= s, > and dozens of other photo stuff. Always as advertised. >=20 > However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller befor= e > even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with = me > during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him= /her > to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convol= uted, > I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the item. >=20 > I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way = he > answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, the= ir > verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who= you > are dealing with. >=20 > Jim >=20 >=20 > At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote: >> I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M= body >> advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 separ= ate >> ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor= 15mm >> lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to service th= em. >> Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the seller to take ba= ck >> these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its wort= h it. >> Werner Drechsel >>=20 >>=20 --B_3092834514_1809472 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Jim is exactly right.  You can tell a great deal = — and have a good time — just by getting to know someone a bit b= efore taking the plunge.  I try to swap phone numbers.  Five minut= es on the phone is better than a pile of emails and goes a long way toward l= aying the groundwork for a good deal (or giving you a reason to back off).
On 1/2/02 4:13 PM, "Jim Brick" <jim@brick.org> wrote:

Maybe I've just been lucky. I just = bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertised as new/mint. Guess what... it was. L= ikewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. Hass extension tubes, lens shades, e= nlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holders, and dozens of other photo stuff= . Always as advertised.

However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller before = even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with me = during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him/he= r to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convolu= ted, I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the ite= m.

I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way he= answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, their= verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who y= ou are dealing with.

Jim


At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote:
I just read David Hodg= es' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M body advertised as "= Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 separate ebay trans= actions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor 15mm lens all= advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to service them= . Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the seller to take back= these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its worth i= t.
Werner Drechsel


 --B_3092834514_1809472-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:45:04 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3092834704_1820928 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable And, p.s., I=B9ve just had my first truly awful trading experience in, well, years and years precisely because I failed to heed this advice. It was a small item =8B a loupe =8B and I figured, hey, what can go wrong? What went wrong (this was on Ebay) is that almost immediately after I paid other negative/neutral reviews popped up. The seller turned out to be negligent in the extreme, very rude in person (I had to track down a phone number via a =B3whois=B2 search on his domain and, suffice to say, he was a bit surprised to hear from me) and I still haven=B9t received the merchandise. Grrrrrr...! It all could have been avoided by contacting him ahead of time and getting = a lay of the land, as it were. On 1/2/02 4:13 PM, "Jim Brick" wrote: > Maybe I've just been lucky. I just bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertise= d as > new/mint. Guess what... it was. Likewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. = Hass > extension tubes, lens shades, enlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holder= s, > and dozens of other photo stuff. Always as advertised. >=20 > However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller befor= e > even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with = me > during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him= /her > to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convol= uted, > I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the item. >=20 > I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way = he > answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, the= ir > verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who= you > are dealing with. >=20 > Jim >=20 >=20 > At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote: >> I just read David Hodges' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M= body >> advertised as "Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 separ= ate >> ebay transactions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor= 15mm >> lens all advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to service th= em. >> Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the seller to take ba= ck >> these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its wort= h it. >> Werner Drechsel >>=20 >>=20 --B_3092834704_1820928 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay And, p.s., I’ve just had my first truly awful tr= ading experience in, well, years and years precisely because I failed to hee= d this advice.  It was a small item — a loupe — and I figur= ed, hey, what can go wrong?  What went wrong (this was on Ebay) is that= almost immediately after I paid other negative/neutral reviews popped up. &= nbsp;The seller turned out to be negligent in the extreme, very rude in pers= on (I had to track down a phone number via a “whois” search on h= is domain and, suffice to say, he was a bit surprised to hear from me) and I= still haven’t received the merchandise.  Grrrrrr...!

It all could have been avoided by contacting him ahead of time and getting = a lay of the land, as it were.

On 1/2/02 4:13 PM, "Jim Brick" <jim@brick.org> wrote:

Maybe I've just been lucky. I just = bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertised as new/mint. Guess what... it was. L= ikewise with a Colorstar 3000 analyzer. Hass extension tubes, lens shades, e= nlarger lenses, SS tanks, Grafmatic holders, and dozens of other photo stuff= . Always as advertised.

However... I always carry on an e-mail conversation with the seller before = even thinking about bidding/buying. How the seller conducts himself with me = during e-mail dialog is important. If it seems like too much work for him/he= r to answer my questions completely, or if the e-mail interaction is convolu= ted, I pass regardless of how good the deal looks or how much I want the ite= m.

I just passed on a 50 FE because the seller's e-mail ability and the way he= answered my questions left a lot to be desired. The way people write, their= verbal attitude, the hype they freely dish out, tells you a lot about who y= ou are dealing with.

Jim


At 06:38 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, Werner Drechsel wrote:
I just read David Hodg= es' comments on ebay purchases. I bought a 500 C/M body advertised as "= Mint" and had to spent $250 to unjam the body. In 3 separate ebay trans= actions I got a A12 back, a Leica screwmount body and a Nikkor 15mm lens all= advertised as "Mint" and guess what, another $500 to service them= . Even the Dispute Resolution process does not force the seller to take back= these goods. I agree, stick to a dealer, spent the extra money, its worth i= t.
Werner Drechsel


 --B_3092834704_1820928-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:02:12 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: > I just bought, on eBay, an E16 back advertised as new/mint. Wait...have pigs learned to fly? Has Hell frozen over? Have the cows come home...and, well, has Jim Brick actually bought something on....I shudder to say...EBAY? Damn! ;-) All joking aside, I completely agree, you CAN get very decent buys on eBay...but as has been suggested, buy from someone that has a lot of perfect feedback...if something doesn't sound right, pass it up. I've had only one or two bad deals on eBay where I could not resolve it with the seller, but overall, my experience has been very good. Even ask for references for high ticket items. Use PayPal to pay, so you can reverse the charges if you need to. I've had to do that a few times, and no matter what they try to tell you, you CAN reverse the charges. Happy New Year, Austin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:13:50 -0800 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C193B0.D8D2B7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or buy from someone with a return policy that is honest enough to give you that opportunity.... Some of us do honor these...... Most dealers will not......! Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C193B0.D8D2B7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or buy from=20 someone with a return policy that is honest enough to give you that=20 opportunity....   Some of us do honor these......  Most = dealers=20 will not......!
 

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net=20

------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C193B0.D8D2B7E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:15:46 -0800 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C193B1.1DEF48C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebayNow George, try bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty good"???? Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C193B1.1DEF48C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay
Now George,=20 try bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty=20 good"????
 

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net

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------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C193B1.1DEF48C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:33:56 -0800 From: "Tourtelot" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: <002d01c193f6$b66206c0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C193B3.A7EADA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebayI heard a good idea from someone about eBay. = Sell on eBay, buy elsewhere. But I too have gotten some good, honest = deals including my most recent score, a nice Sonnar C 150/4 (I have to = gloat) for under $400! Yes it needed a CLA but all in, it was still a = great deal! True enough about establishing a relationship before making a deal. The = honest ones will be happy to talk! Speaking of good deals, I walked into a local store the other day and = walked out with a truly mint Acute-matte screen for $10. Must be livin' = right. Have a great 2002, y'all. D. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Frank Filippone=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Now George, try bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty = good"???? Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net=20 -----Original Message----- ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C193B3.A7EADA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay
I heard a good idea from = someone about=20 eBay.  Sell on eBay, buy elsewhere.  But I too have gotten = some good,=20 honest deals including my most recent score, a nice Sonnar C 150/4 (I = have to=20 gloat) for under $400!  Yes it needed a CLA but all in, it was = still a=20 great deal!
 
True enough about establishing = a=20 relationship before making a deal.  The honest ones will be happy = to=20 talk!
 
Speaking of good deals, I = walked into a=20 local store the other day and walked out with a truly mint Acute-matte = screen=20 for $10.  Must be livin' right.
 
Have a great 2002, = y'all.
 
D.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Frank=20 Filippone
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, = 2002 5:15=20 PM
Subject: RE: [HUG] Hasselblad = on=20 ebay

Now George,=20 try bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty=20 good"????
 

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net =

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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C193B3.A7EADA60-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:22:34 EST From: BLADHASS@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: <1e.20ec5ab2.29651a6a@aol.com> --part1_1e.20ec5ab2.29651a6a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/2002 5:32:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, tourtelot1@attbi.com writes: > Speaking of good deals, I walked into a local store the other day and walked > out with a truly mint Acute-matte screen for $10. Must be livin' right. > > Have a great 2002, y'all. > > D. > Now if you could have got the body with the screen. What a deal that would have been......... I have a few items on ebay at the moment and have had people e-mail me with questions on the items. This is my first time selling, so I hope all goes okay. Peter Peterson --part1_1e.20ec5ab2.29651a6a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/2002 5:32:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, tourtelot1@attbi.com writes:


Speaking of good deals, I walked into a local store the other day and walked out with a truly mint Acute-matte screen for $10.  Must be livin' right.

Have a great 2002, y'all.

D.


Now if you could have got the body with the screen.

What a deal that would have been.........

I have a few items on ebay at the moment and have had people e-mail me with questions on the items. This is my first time selling, so I hope all goes okay.
Peter Peterson --part1_1e.20ec5ab2.29651a6a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Moore To: Subject: FS: 501cm, A12 - and ebay comment Message-ID: I've found that the best way to buy on eBay involves scrutinizing the feedback, contacting the folks who left the comments, and locating sellers who are openly willing to refund your money (and promptly) if you are not satisfied. Those sellers are hard to find but they sure make the transactions go easier. I've followed these guidelines when selling many items on eBay myself, and to date I've never had an unsatisfied buyer, nor have I had an item returned because in general they are better than described. With all that in mind, I'd rather sell these here than on eBay: I am unloading the last two pieces of my Hassy gear: 501c/m and A12 6x6 back (both current), one year old, barely any signs of use, and no problems. Perhaps Austin can back me up here as I sold him my 80/2.8 CFE a while ago and I'm confident that he was pleased with the condition. $975 plus shipping for: - 501cm, box, strap, manuals - A12 6x6 back, matching insert, box, manuals Shipping/insurance is additional, at actual cost. I've used this pair for only about 20 rolls of film. That's my last two pieces and I'm out. It's really been a fun medium in which to work but I'm back to 35mm only for the forseeable future. --Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:31:00 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] FS: 501cm, A12 - and ebay comment Message-ID: > Perhaps Austin can back me up here as I sold him my 80/2.8 CFE a while ago > and I'm confident that he was pleased with the condition. > > --Andrew Andrew, With pleasure! Andrew was great to deal with, and the lense was perfect. A+++ as a seller! Regards and Happy New Year! Austin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:12:43 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3092847163_2570304 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Oh, yes, there was that....ahem. Here goes: brand-new, in the box, never used Technikardan 4x5 for $1,750.00 total. I=B9m taking a bow. And I owe it all to Frank =B3eagle eyes=B2 Filippone! On 1/2/02 5:15 PM, "Frank Filippone" wrote: > Now George, try bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty good"?= ??? > =20 > Frank Filippone > red735i@earthlink.net >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >>=20 >>=20 --B_3092847163_2570304 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Oh, yes, there was that....ahem. Here goes: brand-new,= in the box, never used Technikardan 4x5 for $1,750.00 total.  I’= m taking a bow.  And I owe it all to Frank “eagle eyes” Fil= ippone!

On 1/2/02 5:15 PM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i@earthlink.net>= ; wrote:

Now George, try= bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty good"????
Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net

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 --B_3092847163_2570304-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:21:13 -0800 From: David Meiland To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Value of 250CF lens Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020102202113.006b7c34@mindspring.com> I have the opportunity to buy a 250CF lens with a bit of wear on it, and wonder what people think the current value of it is. Here's a description: some wear on the numbers, mostly in one spot, as though the previous owner used it handheld and always gripped it a certain way; some minor scratches on the barrel, none through the paint; sounds and feels a little like it needs a CLA (slightly gritty at one end of the focusing range, spring sounds a little inconsistent at 1 second although it's still accurate); and The Biggie, some light scratches on the front element, maybe 5 or 6 of them, ranging from tiny to maybe 2 mm long. I have no idea how much these scratches would affect performance, but I suspect it would be undetectable. I know it can impact resale value quite a bit, and so far I don't own any glass with scratches or coating marks at all. I'd like to pick up this focal length, and don't want to pay the $1500 I've seen them go for when mint. I definitely prefer the CF ergonomics over the C. So, what's this beater worth? Thanks for your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:00:00 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: [HUG] Hasselblad on ebay Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102225814.03891be8@pop.alink.net> --=====================_-1777607645==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed WOW!!! Hellova deal! My Hasselblad and Technikardan 45S are my favorite cameras ever! And that's over 50 years of doing this stuff. Jim At 08:12 PM 1/2/2002 -0800, george day wrote: >Oh, yes, there was that....ahem. Here goes: brand-new, in the box, never >used Technikardan 4x5 for $1,750.00 total. I m taking a bow. And I owe >it all to Frank eagle eyes Filippone! > >On 1/2/02 5:15 PM, "Frank Filippone" wrote: >Now George, try bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty good"???? >Frank Filippone >red735i@earthlink.net >-----Original Message----- --=====================_-1777607645==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" WOW!!! Hellova deal!

My Hasselblad and Technikardan 45S are my favorite cameras ever! And that's over 50 years of doing this stuff.

Jim


At 08:12 PM 1/2/2002 -0800, george day wrote:
Oh, yes, there was that....ahem. Here goes: brand-new, in the box, never used Technikardan 4x5 for $1,750.00 total.  I m taking a bow.  And I owe it all to Frank eagle eyes Filippone!

On 1/2/02 5:15 PM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i@earthlink.net> wrote:
Now George, try bragging about the TK45......That deal was "pretty good"????
Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net
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