hasselblad Mon, 7 Jan 2002 Volume 1 : Number 1462 In this issue: Re: Extension tube question Re: [HUG] Extension tube question Re: [HUG] Expired film Re: [HUG] Expired film post-dated film Re: hasselblad V1 #1461 Re: Hasselblad transport Info: Bogen QR plate for tele lens WTB: E24 back Re: [HUG] Extension tube question WTB: E12 back Re: [HUG] Mugshots!! Re: [HUG] Expired film Re: [HUG] Extension tube question Re: [HUG] Expired film HUG searchable archive - a proposal Re: [HUG] Expired film Re: [HUG] Expired film hot film - how hot? how long? how bad? Re: [HUG] Expired film HUG searchable archive - a volunteer - Thanks Thomas!!! Re: [HUG] HUG searchable archive - a proposal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:25:49 +0900 From: "Santiago Torres" To: Subject: Re: Extension tube question Message-ID: <000d01c196ad$46ba2f00$7cf74ca5@computer> I had the same problem some time ago. It was an old C lens that needed CLA (the shutter leg [how to call it?] in the lens was defective). Now works fine. Santiago. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:57:26 -0800 > From: "Tourtelot" > To: > Subject: Extension tube question > Message-ID: <001e01c19655$7de17a40$6401a8c0@attbi.com> > > I just bought a #21 extension tube. It works fine but every time I = > dismount the lens, the tube trips the shutter. No big deal (I have the = > extra-special-handy-dandy cocking tool), but it sure would be easier = > not to have to cock the lens every time. What am I doing wrong? > > Regards, > > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:57:40 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Extension tube question Message-ID: <002c01c196b2$18beff40$18e7f1c3@qnu350> Tourtelot wrote: > Isn't the Net wonderful?? Thanks for the reply. I think there is just one more thing you did wrong. You bought one of those "extra-special-handy-dandy cocking tool" thingies. If you had converted the money you spent on it to hard coins, you would have found that one of them fits the slot and thus is all you need to cock the shutter. The remainder then could have bought you some more film. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:24:33 +0530 From: "Sharookh Mehta" To: "Stein" , Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film Message-ID: <002601c196b9$ac27f320$0d8bfea9@sharookh> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C196E7.C5385660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Uncle Dick.. shall try my luck with this one. Sharookh ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stein=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film Dear Sharookh, Rate it at 320 ASA and shoot away.=20 Uncle Dick ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C196E7.C5385660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Uncle Dick.. shall try my luck = with this=20 one.
Sharookh
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From:=20 Stein=20
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 = 6:27=20 AM
Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired = film

Dear Sharookh,
 
     Rate it at = 320 ASA and=20 shoot away.
 
     Uncle=20 Dick
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C196E7.C5385660-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:25:31 +0530 From: "Sharookh Mehta" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film Message-ID: <003901c196b9$ced3fcc0$0d8bfea9@sharookh> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C196E7.E81E5BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Expired filmThanks - shall give it a try. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Kronquist=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film on 1/5/02 8:45 AM, Sharookh Mehta at first@vsnl.com wrote: Got a pack of expired TriX offered to me free by my local store.. = expiry date was a year ago. I took the pack (it was free!!) but am not = sure whether I should shoot and hope for the best. Should I overexpose a = bit.... ? Any thoughts?? BTW stored in the refrigerator all through..... Sharookh shoot away it will be fine...I have some ISO 40 Orhto film from 1962 = and it still shoots okay...one year old B&W that has been cold storage = will be fine Mark=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C196E7.E81E5BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HUG] Expired film
Thanks - shall give it a = try.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = Kronquist=20
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 = 2:54=20 AM
Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired = film

on 1/5/02 8:45 AM, Sharookh Mehta at first@vsnl.com wrote:

Got a pack of expired = TriX offered=20 to me free by my local store.. expiry date was a year ago. I took = the pack=20 (it was free!!) but am not sure whether I should shoot and hope for = the=20 best. Should I overexpose a bit.... ? Any thoughts??
BTW stored = in the=20 refrigerator all=20 through.....
Sharookh


shoot = away it=20 will be fine...I have some ISO 40 Orhto film from 1962 and it still = shoots=20 okay...one year old B&W that has been cold storage will be fine =  Mark=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C196E7.E81E5BC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:02:44 -0800 From: "Oliver Bryk" To: "Hasselblad Users Group" Subject: post-dated film Message-ID: <001301c196cb$93a86a20$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Most films gradually lose contrast as they age; some also gradually lose sensitivity. Oliver Bryk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:04:12 -0800 From: David Meiland To: Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #1461 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020106080412.006b0260@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:57:26 -0800 From: "Tourtelot" To: Subject: Extension tube question Message-ID: <001e01c19655$7de17a40$6401a8c0@attbi.com> I just bought a #21 extension tube. It works fine but every time I = dismount the lens, the tube trips the shutter. No big deal (I have the = extra-special-handy-dandy cocking tool), but it sure would be easier = not to have to cock the lens every time. What am I doing wrong? Regards, D. Douglas, I have the extra special handy dandy tool and I use it frequently when I use tubes. For some reason tubes trip the lens easily. Use it as though you're disarming a bomb and maybe it'll happen less, but either way, don't worry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:16:24 -0800 From: David Meiland To: Subject: Re: Hasselblad transport Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020106081624.006b0260@mindspring.com> > From: Tourtelot [mailto:tourtelot1@attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:48 PM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: [HUG] Hasselblad transport > > > It's probably been covered before but what are HUGers favorite "bag" for > transporting the kit? Right now I have a 500C/M and three lenses, some > hoods, filters and one back crammed into the world's smallest Case Logic > video camera bag, all nicely separated and oh, so tiny for a MF package. > That's all good until my second back comes in from repair. Then I'm SOL. > Does Domke make something that MF fits into without being "big as a house." > And no 1600 Pelican cases either . > > Thanks. > > D. I've been carrying my stuff in a LowePro Commercial AF Medium Format bag. Holds 1 body with back and 80 attached, four more A12, 50 & 150 with shades attached, spot meter, incident meter, tubes 21 and 55, Polaroid back, a fair amount of film and small stuff also. Great bag, I struggled a lot until I got it. $200+ at Calumet, it made me want to cry, but not I see it's a necessity. I will say it's very heavy and bulky and sucks for actually carrying very far, so for this season I probably need to add a backpack style bag as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:24:09 -0800 From: David Meiland To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Info: Bogen QR plate for tele lens Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020106082409.006b0260@mindspring.com> Just a tidbit: I'm sure someone else out there has had twist problems with the Bogen hex QR plates and long lenses (350/500) that mount directly to the tripod. I recently picked up a used ball head and it came with an unusual hex plate I assume is or was made by Bogen, but is not in their catalog. Instead of the usual big thumbscrew and jam nut to thread the plate into the lens (or body), it has a flush screw operated by a large slotted screwdriver. It also has two smaller set screws that can be used to pin the plate in position. My 500 lens will NOT twist at all on this plate, and it fits back in the case with plate attached. It's a major, major improvement. If you're using a long lens and like the Bogen QR heads, look for one of these. Anyone know a model number or have any other info? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:28:26 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: WTB: E24 back Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3093154106_137521 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All, Sorry, I totally forgot to post this earlier: I=B9m looking for another E24 back and was wondering if someone might want to part with such an item...le= t me know! --B_3093154106_137521 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable WTB: E24 back All,

Sorry, I totally forgot to post this earlier: I’m looking for another= E24 back and was wondering if someone might want to part with such an item.= ..let me know!

 --B_3093154106_137521-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:14:20 -0800 From: "Tourtelot" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: [HUG] Extension tube question Message-ID: <000c01c196dd$f685fec0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> First off, it's pretty arrogant that you assumed I bought it. It was given to me. Secondly, you didn't answer my question, although someone else did. Don't waste the bandwidth! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [HUG] Extension tube question > Tourtelot wrote: > > > Isn't the Net wonderful?? Thanks for the reply. > > I think there is just one more thing you did wrong. > You bought one of those "extra-special-handy-dandy cocking tool" thingies. > If you had converted the money you spent on it to hard coins, you would have > found that one of them fits the slot and thus is all you need to cock the > shutter. The remainder then could have bought you some more film. ;-) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:27:29 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: HUG Subject: WTB: E12 back Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020106102614.03c6b4d0@pop.alink.net> I am in need of an E12 back, if anyone out there knows of one for sale. Thanks, :) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:19:05 -0800 From: Patrick Bartek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Mugshots!! Message-ID: <02010610190502.29983@localhost.localdomain> On Saturday 05 January 2002 09:30, Sharookh Mehta wrote: > It might be fun to post our mugs so that we can see what the other > looks like.... Just a thought, unless anonymity is preferred. What > say HUG?? Sharookh What I would prefer to see is the ceasation of posting HTML encoded messages to this list as you, and others, have been doing. You're probably not even aware that you're doing it. So, consider this a polite, but exasperated and frustrated request. (I've made this request so many times on this and other lists to no avail. Perhaps this list should just "bounce" any messages other than plain text ones. Opinions?) HTML is not needed on mail lists and, in most cases, is in violation of the list's rules; plus, it is just a waste of bandwidth, the primary reason it's banned. An HTML message is, on average, 3 times bigger than the equivalent plain text only one, since it contains your message text twice: once as plain text and then again embedded within all the HTML code. That means, also, the HTML message takes 3 times longer to download. Regarding Mug Shots: I suggest that those with a desire to see what other members look like, should each set up a URL link to their picture in their message signature. Then the curious can go there individually on their own bandwidth and not waste the list's by funneling the images through the list's server. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:45:31 -0800 From: Patrick Bartek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film Message-ID: <02010610453103.29983@localhost.localdomain> On Saturday 05 January 2002 09:45, Sharookh Mehta wrote: > Got a pack of expired TriX offered to me free by my local store.. > expiry date was a year ago. I took the pack (it was free!!) but am > not sure whether I should shoot and hope for the best. Should I > overexpose a bit.... ? Any thoughts?? BTW stored in the refrigerator > all through..... Rules of Thumb (for cold stored film): Refridgerated color film is good for 3 years beyond expiration date; b&w film good at least that long, too. If the film (color or b&w) has been frozen for the entire storage time, it's good indefinitely. For any long term stored film, run a test first before using on something important. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:30:22 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Extension tube question Message-ID: <002a01c196e8$ebf3ff60$13f5f1c3@qnu350> Tourtelot wrote: > First off, it's pretty arrogant that you assumed I bought it. It was given > to me. Secondly, you didn't answer my question, although someone else did. > Don't waste the bandwidth! Just consider what i wrote as a tip to anyone considering actually spending money on one of these gadgets. Pretty arrogant of you to assume only you read what someone writes in reply ;-)) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:50:35 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film Message-ID: Okay, Stupid question. What about re-freezing film? I regularly take a pile of film out of the fridge and then throw what I don=B9t use back in. Sometimes more than once. I've done with with the freezer, too. Never noticed a problem...but, just wondering... On 1/6/02 10:45 AM, "Patrick Bartek" wrote: > On Saturday 05 January 2002 09:45, Sharookh Mehta wrote: >=20 >> Got a pack of expired TriX offered to me free by my local store.. >> expiry date was a year ago. I took the pack (it was free!!) but am >> not sure whether I should shoot and hope for the best. Should I >> overexpose a bit.... ? Any thoughts?? BTW stored in the refrigerator >> all through..... >=20 > Rules of Thumb (for cold stored film): >=20 > Refridgerated color film is good for 3 years beyond expiration date; > b&w film good at least that long, too. >=20 > If the film (color or b&w) has been frozen for the entire storage time, > it's good indefinitely. >=20 > For any long term stored film, run a test first before using on > something important. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:05:25 -0600 From: "Thomas Hahn" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: HUG searchable archive - a proposal Message-ID: When subscribing to the HUG list recently I read somewhere that no indexed, searchable archive is in place at present. And indeed, the URL www.listquest.com that professed to do so doesn't lead anywhere. As an information scientist, my experience tells me that much redundancy in the postings can be cancelled out and much time can be saved by providing a searchable archive which would entertain queries and point to relevant discussion threads which took place at any point in the past. Question: are there any efforts underway to remedy this state of affairs? If not, I would like to offer my help and assistance. It might take a little while to evaluate the right tools, but once the appropriate indexing tool is identifed, it is usually a simple conversion and indexing process which will then result in an interface with search boxes and the like. What I would need to collect, with your permission, is background information on the list in general, how it is archived at present, and so on. This is just a preliminary proposal by a complete newcomer to HUG. I just get frustrated by querying Google all the time for, say, something like the 201F body, and then find myself unfailingly ending up with some highly informed discussion that took place on kelvin.net. I'd rather prefer to have direct access to the list's history, and the HUG's collective memory. Best wishes Thomas in snowy Ithaca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:17:49 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film Message-ID: <010401c196ef$3a1b43a0$13f5f1c3@qnu350> george day wrote: > Stupid question. What about re-freezing film? I regularly take a pile of > film out of the fridge and then throw what I donšt use back in. Sometimes > more than once. I've done with with the freezer, too. Never noticed a > problem...but, just wondering... I have been doing the same for many years, and still do. Never a problem. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:57:27 -0900 From: Mark Kronquist To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Expired film Message-ID: film will not care unless it goes to 150 degrees then gets refrozen time and time again...I do it all the time without any impact have been doing it for years thanks Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:25:49 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Monaghan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Mark Kronquist Subject: hot film - how hot? how long? how bad? Re: [HUG] Expired film Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Mark Kronquist wrote: > film will not care unless it goes to 150 degrees then gets refrozen time and > time again...I do it all the time without any impact have been doing it for > years thanks Mark which raises an interesting point. Just how hot can different films get without "baking" and shifting colors or being a noticeable problem? Lots of cameras get quite hot in the sun (black bodies blads and all that - maybe the cool blue ones will be better? ;-). We routinely get 100+ deg F here in Texas in the shade, 120 in sun. anyone have some experience with actual exposure of various films to high temps during trips etc. and good or bad experiences? thanks for sharing! bobm * Robert Monaghan POB752182 Southern Methodist University, Dallas Tx 75275 * * Third Party 35mm Lenses: http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/index.html * * Medium Format Cameras: http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/mf/index.html * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:57:46 -0500 From: "petroffski@mac.com" To: "hasselblad@kelvin.net" Subject: HUG searchable archive - a volunteer - Thanks Thomas!!! Message-ID: I might be wrong here... but this looks like one of those old comedies where someone asks for volunteers and everyone except Thomas Hahn takes a step back, leaving him with the job. Next week would be a nice time for me to start using the new archive, thank you very much. Thanks Thomas. Keep up the good work!! Peter -- PR Camera Repair 111 E. Aspen #1 Flagstaff, AZ 86001 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:24:15 -0500 From: "Charlie Goodwin" To: "hasselblad@kelvin.net" Subject: Re: [HUG] HUG searchable archive - a proposal Message-ID: <200201070449.g074n6P18702@smtp.mcttelecom.com> Bravo! An archive would be a wonderful resource, Many of us have neither = been with the HUG group long enough to have "seen it all", nor could rememb= er it all had we been there. And a great time saver to boot: if we had a = proper searchable archive, then many of our our more repetitive threads cou= ld be redirected to the archive. I haven't any idea if an archive is technically feasible with the system we= exist on now, but if it is, then I would be grateful for a searchable arch= ive. Thanks, Charlie > > When subscribing to the HUG list recently I read somewhere that no indexe= d, > searchable archive is in place at present. And indeed, the URL > www.listquest.com that professed to do so doesn't lead anywhere. As an > information scientist, my experience tells me that much redundancy in the > postings can be cancelled out and much time can be saved by providing a > searchable archive which would entertain queries and point to relevant > discussion threads which took place at any point in the past. > Question: are there any efforts underway to remedy this state of affairs?= If > not, I would like to offer my help and assistance. It might take a little > while to evaluate the right tools, but once the appropriate indexing tool= is > identifed, it is usually a simple conversion and indexing process which w= ill > then result in an interface with search boxes and the like. What I would > need to collect, with your permission, is background information on the l= ist > in general, how it is archived at present, and so on. > > This is just a preliminary proposal by a complete newcomer to HUG. I just > get frustrated by querying Google all the time for, say, something like t= he > 201F body, and then find myself unfailingly ending up with some highly > informed discussion that took place on kelvin.net. I'd rather prefer to h= ave > direct access to the list's history, and the HUG's collective memory. > > Best wishes > > Thomas in snowy Ithaca > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Inter= net, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is = in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affil= iates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use t= ext mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/R= emoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1462 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm