hasselblad Wed, 9 Jan 2002 Volume 1 : Number 1464 In this issue: Re: [HUG] Re: the ceasation of posting HTML Re: Mugshots!! [OT] Re: Mugshots!! Re: the ceasation of posting HTML RE: [HUG] Re: the cessation of posting HTML Re: [HUG] hot film Re: [HUG] hot film Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists andPentax SM Lists Re: [HUG] Mugshots!! ELM Night Aerial followup (long) Re: [HUG] Re: the ceasation of posting HTML Re: [HUG] Re: the ceasation of posting HTML ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:03:47 -0500 From: "Anne F. Bellenger" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: the ceasation of posting HTML Message-ID: <3C3AFC3A.2C3B57A8@strato.net> I can help with the Mac OS 9.1 and Netscape 4.7. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:33:44 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Mugshots!! [OT] Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020108093235.04ec24e0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:56 AM 01/08/2002, you wrote: >There are many different email clients >out there but with Outlook Express which I bet is the major culprit here is >HTML formatting is turned on by default. I gave up on Outlook Express and >went to the Full version of Outlook Outlook Express and Outlook seem to be the two biggest culprits in spreading e-mailed viruses too. Since both Eudora and Pegasus are free, simple to install and easy to configure, why not give one or the other a look-see. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:34:20 -0500 From: henryp@bhphotovideo.com To: Subject: Re: Mugshots!! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020108093404.04ec5d50@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:56 AM 01/08/2002, you wrote: > I know that this is a stupid question, but how do you turn the HTML off >before sending out an e-mail > > Ben > >--Boundary_(ID_i+q5c8bMa9LcBhMnEvA+kg) >Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > ROFL <> hp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:39:35 -0500 From: henryp@bhphotovideo.com To: Subject: Re: the ceasation of posting HTML Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020108093823.04ec5f00@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> Eudora: Tools->Options->Styled Text Select either "Send plain text only," or "Ask me each time." <> hp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:18:43 -0500 From: "Bob Boggio" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Re: the cessation of posting HTML Message-ID: Outlook 2000 can also be changed on a message by message basis. 1. Format->Plain text Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rod Leavitt [mailto:leavitts@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:41 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] Re: the ceasation of posting HTML Microsoft Outlook 2000 1. Tools -> Options. 2. Click on the "Mail Format" Tab. 3. In the Message Format box, click on Plain text in the "Send in this message format" box. 4. Click on Apply 5. Click on OK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:34:41 +0700 From: "Peter G. Walker" To: Akhil Lal , Cc: Charlie Goodwin , Mark Rabiner , Oliver Bryk Subject: Re: [HUG] hot film Message-ID: Akhil, I live in Thailand and most of my photography is done "on the road" around South-east Asia. Temperature is usually 33 to 36 degrees Celsius, quite humid and often much hotter inside a parked car. I do my best to keep film cool. I keep only a small number of rolls in my camera backpack and the rest, used and unused, I wrap in clothes and bury deep into my luggage in the car trunk. It'd probably be better to keep it in the body of the car but when you leave the car, you don't want luggage in plain sight, for obvious reasons. I keep unused film in their original boxes. I seal used rolls of film in snap-lock bags (humidity protection) and then wrap the bags of 10 x 120 films in heavy-duty aluminium foil (heat protection). In the evenings, I move the bulk of the film into the hotel room and into the mini-bar fridge if there is one. Many years ago I did have some problems with some 120 Kodachrome that I thought might be heat damage because there was a purple cast through some films that I know became quite hot for a while. But, then Kodachrome disappeared in the 120 format in Asia, and I switched to Fujichrome. With my procedure above and the more robust nature of Fujichrome, I have never had any noticeable heat problems since. The biggest problem is long term storage of processed film. In the tropical humidity, fungus abounds and just loves to eat emulsion (must be the animal gelatin in the emulsion layer). I have some early film with spidery fungus lines and black fungus dots. You can not clean it because the fungus has eaten the emulsion so you'd simply replace a black line with a clear line. The answer is prevention. Fungus can not survive below 45 to 50% humidity. Many years ago, once I figured out what was happening, I invested in some "Toyo Living" dehumidifying cabinets (http://www.toyoliving.co.jp/e/index.html). Now, all my film archives and main camera equipment live in 35% humidity (but I still live in 60 to 90% humidity). On the topic of humidity, last weekend I visited some caves in the jungles of western Thailand, near the Burmese border. It was a cool mountain morning, with early morning temperature about 20 degrees Celsius and quite low humidity. But, deep inside the cave, I reckon that the humidity was as close to 100% as it can get, and hot. Everything, including me and my camera, immediately became soaking wet. I waited for 30 minutes before I could see through the lens to take a shot of the beautiful stalactites and stalagmites. I've yet to get the results back from the processor but I would not be surprised if they are all ruined by condensation on the film. The humidity was so high that it was hard to breathe. Amazing Thailand... Regards Peter Email: peter@peterwalker.com URL: http://www.peterwalker.com ---------------------------------- on 8/1/02 12:32 AM, Akhil Lal at akhil.lal@bcc.cuny.edu wrote: > Yes, I agree this is a problem. > > I have dozens of rolls of K25 & 64 with this greenish cast. They still > look nice, though. > > I wonder if other colour slide films react the same way to heat and > humidity ? > > Any HUG'ers in the tropics care to comment ? > > Regards, > Akhil > Oliver Bryk wrote: >> >> About 15 years ago I was in Northwest India and the western Himalaya for >> several weeks, partly during the monsoon season. The climate was hot and >> humid. All my exposed Kodachrome had a greenish cast. >> Oliver Bryk >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:45:48 -0800 From: "Oliver Bryk" To: "Peter G. Walker" , "Akhil Lal" , Cc: "Charlie Goodwin" , "Mark Rabiner" Subject: Re: [HUG] hot film Message-ID: <001701c19863$ece1f4a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Thanks for a very interesting report "from the field". I, too, see the effects of fungus on the 'chromes from that trip. Coolers were out - there was no room for anything beyond what I and my fellow trekkers carried in our backpacks and the Sherpas in our duffels, limited to 20kg. Oliver Bryk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter G. Walker" To: "Akhil Lal" ; Cc: "Charlie Goodwin" ; "Mark Rabiner" ; "Oliver Bryk" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [HUG] hot film > Akhil, > > I live in Thailand and most of my photography is done "on the road" around > South-east Asia. Temperature is usually 33 to 36 degrees Celsius, quite > humid and often much hotter inside a parked car. > > I do my best to keep film cool. I keep only a small number of rolls in my > camera backpack and the rest, used and unused, I wrap in clothes and bury > deep into my luggage in the car trunk. It'd probably be better to keep it > in the body of the car but when you leave the car, you don't want luggage in > plain sight, for obvious reasons. I keep unused film in their original > boxes. I seal used rolls of film in snap-lock bags (humidity protection) and > then wrap the bags of 10 x 120 films in heavy-duty aluminium foil (heat > protection). In the evenings, I move the bulk of the film into the hotel > room and into the mini-bar fridge if there is one. > > Many years ago I did have some problems with some 120 Kodachrome that I > thought might be heat damage because there was a purple cast through some > films that I know became quite hot for a while. > > But, then Kodachrome disappeared in the 120 format in Asia, and I switched > to Fujichrome. > > With my procedure above and the more robust nature of Fujichrome, I have > never had any noticeable heat problems since. > > The biggest problem is long term storage of processed film. In the > tropical humidity, fungus abounds and just loves to eat emulsion (must be > the animal gelatin in the emulsion layer). I have some early film with > spidery fungus lines and black fungus dots. You can not clean it because > the fungus has eaten the emulsion so you'd simply replace a black line with > a clear line. > > The answer is prevention. Fungus can not survive below 45 to 50% humidity. > Many years ago, once I figured out what was happening, I invested in some > "Toyo Living" dehumidifying cabinets > (http://www.toyoliving.co.jp/e/index.html). Now, all my film archives and > main camera equipment live in 35% humidity (but I still live in 60 to 90% > humidity). > > On the topic of humidity, last weekend I visited some caves in the jungles > of western Thailand, near the Burmese border. It was a cool mountain > morning, with early morning temperature about 20 degrees Celsius and quite > low humidity. But, deep inside the cave, I reckon that the humidity was as > close to 100% as it can get, and hot. Everything, including me and my > camera, immediately became soaking wet. I waited for 30 minutes before I > could see through the lens to take a shot of the beautiful stalactites and > stalagmites. I've yet to get the results back from the processor but I would > not be surprised if they are all ruined by condensation on the film. The > humidity was so high that it was hard to breathe. Amazing Thailand... > > Regards > Peter > > Email: peter@peterwalker.com > URL: http://www.peterwalker.com > ---------------------------------- > > on 8/1/02 12:32 AM, Akhil Lal at akhil.lal@bcc.cuny.edu wrote: > > > Yes, I agree this is a problem. > > > > I have dozens of rolls of K25 & 64 with this greenish cast. They still > > look nice, though. > > > > I wonder if other colour slide films react the same way to heat and > > humidity ? > > > > Any HUG'ers in the tropics care to comment ? > > > > Regards, > > Akhil > > Oliver Bryk wrote: > >> > >> About 15 years ago I was in Northwest India and the western Himalaya for > >> several weeks, partly during the monsoon season. The climate was hot and > >> humid. All my exposed Kodachrome had a greenish cast. > >> Oliver Bryk > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:59:54 -0800 From: Mark Kronquist To: Subject: Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Message-ID: Howdy! Does anyone out there know of any mailing lists such as this for Pentax SM owners (I am always looking for old SM Black bodies)...or for Large Format photography? Aslo does anyone have a line on bulk quantities of old Kodak mailers? Thanks Mark mak@teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:24:42 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108122345.03d038b8@pop.alink.net> At 11:59 AM 1/28/2002 -0800, Mark Kronquist wrote: >Howdy! > >Does anyone out there know of any mailing lists such as this for Pentax SM >owners (I am always looking for old SM Black bodies)...or for Large Format >photography? > >Aslo does anyone have a line on bulk quantities of old Kodak mailers? >Thanks Mark mak@teleport.com Large format is at: http://www.topica.com/lists/bigneg/ Question: Why the interest in "old" Kodak mailers? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:24:17 -0600 From: John Pass To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Message-ID: <3Z63SOJIKG98QFDMH3G1W3W2W8C0.3c3b6381@john> Try www.f32.net for large format photo. 1/28/02 1:59:54 PM, Mark Kronquist wrote: >Howdy! > >Does anyone out there know of any mailing lists such as this for Pentax SM >owners (I am always looking for old SM Black bodies)...or for Large Format >photography? > >Aslo does anyone have a line on bulk quantities of old Kodak mailers? >Thanks Mark mak@teleport.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:25:13 -0600 From: John Pass To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Message-ID: Sorry, the subscription for the email list is in the second column near the bottom. John 1/28/02 1:59:54 PM, Mark Kronquist wrote: >Howdy! > >Does anyone out there know of any mailing lists such as this for Pentax SM >owners (I am always looking for old SM Black bodies)...or for Large Format >photography? > >Aslo does anyone have a line on bulk quantities of old Kodak mailers? >Thanks Mark mak@teleport.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:48:11 -0800 From: Mark Kronquist To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists and Pentax SM Lists Message-ID: On 1/8/02 12:24 PM, "Jim Brick" wrote: > At 11:59 AM 1/28/2002 -0800, Mark Kronquist wrote: >> Howdy! >> >> Does anyone out there know of any mailing lists such as this for Pentax SM >> owners (I am always looking for old SM Black bodies)...or for Large Format >> photography? >> >> Aslo does anyone have a line on bulk quantities of old Kodak mailers? >> Thanks Mark mak@teleport.com > > > Large format is at: http://www.topica.com/lists/bigneg/ > > Question: Why the interest in "old" Kodak mailers? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm I find them very convenient as I travel agreat deal thanks Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:18:54 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Wanted Kodak Mailers and info on Large Format Lists andPentax SM Lists Message-ID: <001101c19892$a694c7a0$6dc3f1c3@qnu350> Mark Kronquist wrote: > [snipped it all] Mark, would you please read some of the "cessation of posting HTML" thread? Thank you! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:50:31 -0800 From: Patrick Bartek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Mugshots!! Message-ID: <02010722503106.29983@localhost.localdomain> On Monday 07 January 2002 09:20, Texford1@aol.com wrote: > I know that this is a stupid question, but how do you turn the HTML > off before sending out an e-mail The easiest way to ensure that you're sending plain text instead of HTML is to use a mail client that does not have HTML capability; that is, it is ONLY capable of plain text. Otherwise, search your mailer's configuration/preferences section for an HTML/Plain text "switch." The actual location of it depends on the program. It may be a menu item only and not even in Preferences. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:34:48 -0800 From: "Gary Todoroff" To: Subject: ELM Night Aerial followup (long) Message-ID: <00e001c1989d$106ab2c0$822d0dce@g4s5g1> Thanks to all who gave ideas for shooting night-time aerials over Humboldt Bay. It turned into a very interesting, semi-successful shoot of the low tide property boundaries. The ELM was bolted to a vertical mount out the baggage door of a Cessna 182, and I am able to sight through a porthole between my feet just in front of the passenger seat and shoot with a 15' remote cord. On this flight, we were supposed to just shoot by GPS co-ordinates that would center us over the 2000 foot stretch of beach. At an altitude of 3800', using the 80mm lens, that gave us a total of about 2600' on the ground for adequate (I thought!) overlap. But it wasn't my pilot's best day, and he had trouble with the GPS. My visual sighting on the center of the beach was off (things never look the same from the air, even tho I had walked the beach), and we missed the southern property line by about 200'. However, the techincal part of the shoot worked great. I shot Fuji Provia 400F for the earlier daytime photo. However, the "daytime" shot turned almost into a night shot itself (did I mention, it wasn't the pilot's best day). I did a snip test on the first two frames shot at dusk, using the JOBO and Kodak E-6 for two stops push (13:30 minutes in first developer; normal for Fuji film is 7:30). Waves over the jetty should have been bright white, but were 2-3 stops underexposed! So I improvised. First developer concentration was increased by 50% and developed for 20 minutes (5 stop push?!). Ever wondered how to get faded green blacks on Fuji film? Ugly picture, but the detail was there, along with some of the biggest grain I have ever seen. No matter, though, the main goal was not to see every bush, but to define the tide line. A couple hours after the daytime shot, we took off for a 7:00pm photo at the -1.7 foot tide. Ground crews used lantern battery flashlights on each end of 20' two by fours along the beach, then pounded stakes into the low tide line with similar lights all pointing vertically. Since that stretch of bay is uninhabited, the lights showed up fairly well. Exposure was 1/125 at between f2.8 and f4. I shot on Ilford 3200, then developed in D-76 stock for 13 minutes in a Nikkor tank, giving a one-stop push. A snip test showed up lights over town resonably well, so I did the rest of the roll at 15 minutes for a little more contrast. Hanging up the film, I resisted the urge to inspect it wet, but a long piece of clear film did not look encouraging. After it dried, I got out the 40x loupe, and low and behold! there were two perfectly exposed sets of black dots. I searched in vain for the third set of lights, which were, of course, 200' off the southern end of the property. Just to make sure the concept had worked, I scanned the day and night photos into Photoshop. Curves and color balance layers cleaned up the ugly daytime shot quite nicely. The little black dots of the night B&W shot scanned in best with an RGB scan, which I then increased contrast and changed the color to orange dots for good visibility. Before the final layering in PS, I needed to rotate the lights slightly as well as expand them a bit (we were at 4000' for the second shot instead of 3800' - did I mention it wasn't my pilot's best day?). This involved quite a bit of back and forth is PS, making slight shifts in the night shot, then cutting and pasting into a new layer in the daytime shot, unit the lights perfectly matched the ends of the white 2x4 boards. You could then distinctly see the low tide lights overlaying the water of the earlier daytime shot. So, concept gets 100%, film exposure about an 80% grade, and accuracy 67% (two targets out of three), which makes a failing grade. But the stakes are still in the water, we will put white targets on top of them, and plan to shoot tomorrow at a fairly low tide in mid-afternoon, which was the backup plan anyway in case of bad weather the first time. A few days later, I was taking aerial photography to new lows with the ELM, shooting from 30' altitude a "group portrait" of about 500 people from the basket of the Eureka Fire Dept aerial ladder truck. It was the opening of Eureka's brand new boardwalk and the hardy souls attending braved a constant downpour, along with me trying to keep the ELM dry, as the light faded fast after 4:00pm. But that's another story. Gary Todoroff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:24:20 -0800 From: Patrick Bartek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: the ceasation of posting HTML Message-ID: <02010817242007.29983@localhost.localdomain> On Monday 07 January 2002 17:54, Dan Cardish wrote: > I have asked people repeatedly to refrain from posting non-text based > messages. And the Guidelines specifically mention it. But I guess > some people simply don't know how to do it. And for now the software > running the list won't prevent html messages from getting through. How about a little Perl script to "bounce" or filter HTML encoded messages? Your software supports scripts, doesn't it? > [snip] -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:10:58 -0800 From: Patrick Bartek To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: the ceasation of posting HTML Message-ID: <02010818105808.29983@localhost.localdomain> On Monday 07 January 2002 17:30, David Gerhardt wrote: > There are (at least) two issues here: > > (1) The use of HTML; that causes additional overhead in text > messages, and > (2) People forwarding entire messages, with their "comment" just > appended; resulting in re-sending the same message over and over. > > Regarding item (1), if "I" were King (and I'm not; Dan is), I'd like > to see HTML left permanently "on". The whole point of the web, and > enhanced email is to provide an increasingly "content-rich" > environment for information sharing. All of the other email I receive > (and send) contains formatting, images, and (sometimes) video. > HOWEVER, I realize that this leads directly to ever increasing server > capacity. And this cost is borne by someone other than me. So, if > this is continued as the standard for HUG (text only), I will > continue to leave my email set with HTML "enabled" as default, and > convert my messages to plain text before I send them (Format -> "Make > Plain Text" -> OK) to the HUG. Not a problem. > (by the way... leaving the HTML "on" also eliminates the visual > clutter that so many of the readers have complained about... you > don't NEED to view it). If you're using an ASCII only e-mail client, which I do a lot, there is no choice possible: you see everything. It has no way to recognize and filter out the HTML code. Plus, replying to these HTML encoded messages with a plain text e-mailer is a pain: You must manually edit out the HTML. Fortunately, most, but not all, HTML capable e-mail clients prepend a plain text version of the message before the HTML coded one. So, all that is needed is to delete the last 2/3's of the message. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1464 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm