hasselblad Wed, 16 Jan 2002 Volume 1 : Number 1471 In this issue: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] re: Lewis and his scratched lenses UV Filters and the real world RE: [HUG] New User Question RE: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] re: Lewis and his scratched lenses RE: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens RE: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Jobo advice Re: [HUG] Jobo advice Re: [HUG] Jobo advice RE: [HUG] Jobo advice RE: [HUG] Jobo advice Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens RE: [HUG] Jobo advice Re: [HUG] Jobo advice which way to slide in the dark slide Re: [HUG] which way to slide in the dark slide RE: [HUG] which way to slide in the dark slide Re: [HUG] Jobo advice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:21:01 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: Jim, Oh, I buy it -- I was just making a point. I don't use UV filters for optical purposes, personally, although I use plenty of colored and polarizing filters. Basically, for me the UV is a glorified lens cap, one that's saved me a lot of grief in dusty, yucky, wet, etc environments. Not to mention the occasional Leica fumble! On 1/14/02 7:48 PM, "Jim Brick" wrote: > At 06:52 PM 1/14/2002 -0800, george day wrote: > >> Of course, UV filters actually do have an optical function, beyond mere >> protection. But let's not get into that. > > > Perhaps on 50 year old lenses, made before they incorporated all of the UV > inhibiting filters into both the glass and the glue between the elements. > > The single purpose for UV filters is for camera store profit. > > I have taught numerous Leica workshops for Leica USA. I was told, by the > sponsoring stores, that telling participants to not by UV filters is a big > no-no. That it adds significantly to the bottom line of every lens sold. So > instead of telling them to not buy UV filters, I told them to use only > "useful" filters. Filters that would definitely enhance their photograph. > Then I showed the class all of the great filters that I do use. Polarizer, > warming, cooling, ND, split ND, split color grad, etc. The participants > spent a huge amount of money buying all of these filters, and no UV > filters. Everyone was happy. > > This is no B.S. !!! > > Jim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:44:19 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020115104304.051c2b30@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: > I use dust-off (discharged lightly and held rather far from the >front element) For those concerned about the mystery stuff Dust-Off sometimes produces, Leland PowerClean is an excellent alternative and produces nothing but clean compressed air, sans propellant. The burst is powerful though and direct hit on a shutter could dislodge a blade, so I'd suggest practice before first use on camera gear. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:37:14 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: Thanks, Henry, I'll check it out -- the propellant that comes out with dust-off is precisely one of the reasons I use it with trepidation. On 1/15/02 7:44 AM, "Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video" wrote: > At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: >> I use dust-off (discharged lightly and held rather far from the >> front element) > > For those concerned about the mystery stuff Dust-Off sometimes produces, > Leland PowerClean is an excellent alternative and produces nothing but > clean compressed air, sans propellant. The burst is powerful though and > direct hit on a shutter could dislodge a blade, so I'd suggest practice > before first use on camera gear. > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:51:50 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020115104609.00b5e6c0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: >You are a camera repairman Peter. >Jim Brick is a consummate photographer and graduate of Brooks. >He doesn't see glass go by he USES them. I too was a full-time professional photographer for 20+ years before I came to B&H and became a part-time professional photographer. While I don't use filters on my studio-only lenses (Hassy & Mamiya RB) I do on my 35mm Nikon equipment. While Nikon glass isn't Zeiss, it's pretty decent stuff and I use good filters and do not consider that the filter has degraded the image quality. I do agree with another poster though -- lens hoods are A MUST! BTW, in defense of camera repairmen everywhere, those I've known are either excellent photographers who chose another avenue of this industry in which to earn their rent, or people who cherish the machinery more than the artistry that machinery is designed to create. Their love of and dedication to image excellence is not less than that of the camera operator, just applied differently. Is Bill Irwin any less a music lover because he built Jerry Garcia's guitars instead of playing them? Finally, I suggest that a repairman will see far more cameras and lenses, used by a far wider range of individuals over th course of a year than almost any of us (with the possible exception of a photographer from "the pool" following a major political figure) and therefor has a far wider range from which to base his observations. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:52:44 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020115105225.051a7020@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: >And what situation is flare NOT and issue? >I dot know about you but when i shoot people I've got the sun behind >them when ever possible. My windowless studio. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:02:12 -0500 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020115105416.051a8770@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: >The single purpose for UV filters is for camera store profit. I am sorry, but I have to take umbrage at this calumny. Everyone here who's anti-UV filter seems to be operating from the perspective of shooting portraits or models or weddings or commercial stuff in controlled situations where a UV filter may well not be necessary for lens protection/insurance. Heck, my studio-only stuff doesn't have UV filters either. B U T ... some of us are shooting in less amenable environments. I posted obliquely yesterday about getting caught in a frat food fight. It was no joke and it really happened. Getting whipped cream and chocolate pudding off my lens would have been impossible. Unscrewing the filter after wiping down the lens barrel & hood let me finish my day's assignments. The silk tie I was wearing and the UV filter went into the trash. I've also shot rodeos from the floor, and there's plenty of stuff it's not so simply to scrape off the front of a lens, hood or not. I shot plenty of basketball & wrestling too (the real college-Olympics kind, not the WWF stuff) and flying drops of perspiration are a consideration. No joke. My point is that while a UV filter is NOT necessary all the time, whether for UV filtration or protection/insurance, it IS advisable some of the time. Those who've said, "No UV filter, EVER," as as wrong as those who've said, "UV filters on every lens every second." Remember what Groucho said about cigars? Applies to filters too. Finally, suggesting that every store salesman who suggests a UV filter is, every time, trying to line his (or the store owner's) pocket at the unsuspecting customer's expense is just as wrong and just as blatant a generalization as the filter conversation has been. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:38:14 -0500 From: Christopher Gonzaga Photography To: Subject: Re: [HUG] re: Lewis and his scratched lenses Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115113810.03141618@mail.planeteer.com> I do most of my work in the studio shooting still life. I always use a lens hood to prevent most of the stray light from causing flare. I use a UV filter when I don't know if my studio flashes are color corrected. The UV filter helps to reduce the blue cast you would get in colour photographs. I don't use a UV filter when I use CC flash tubes since it adds another glass air surface that I have to protect from stray light. Jim, perhaps you can enlighten me. Are you saying that most modern lenses are UV corrected thus eliminating the need to use a UV filter when using UV rich light sources such as uncorrected flash tubes? If this is correct then I would say that either my eyes or my lenses are defective because I can see a difference between photographs taken with and without a UV filter when using uncorrected light sources. The ones shot without a UV filter all have a bluish cast specially in the shadows. My lenses are less than 15 years old. I must be missing something. When I'm doing location work where the environment is unpredictable or unfriendly I am more comfortable using a lens hood and a UV filter. The UV filter does an excellent job protecting the lens from rain or blowing sand. There had been many occasions when a UV filter helped prevent rain water from soaking the front element. The lens hood also helped but we all know how shallow wide angle lens hoods are. BTW I use only high quality filters from reputable manufacturers (ie: Hasselblad, B+W, Hoya SMC) Their filters are expensive but it's a lot cheaper and faster to replace a filter than a lens element. Lastly, I highly recommend Clearsight products. IMHO they are the best lens cleaning products available. You'll be amazed how easy it is to clean oily residue using Joe's products. From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020114194023.03e92870@pop.alink.net> At 06:52 PM 1/14/2002 -0800, george day wrote: >Of course, UV filters actually do have an optical function, beyond mere >protection. But let's not get into that. Perhaps on 50 year old lenses, made before they incorporated all of the UV inhibiting filters into both the glass and the glue between the elements. The single purpose for UV filters is for camera store profit. I have taught numerous Leica workshops for Leica USA. I was told, by the sponsoring stores, that telling participants to not by UV filters is a big no-no. That it adds significantly to the bottom line of every lens sold. So instead of telling them to not buy UV filters, I told them to use only "useful" filters. Filters that would definitely enhance their photograph. Then I showed the class all of the great filters that I do use. Polarizer, warming, cooling, ND, split ND, split color grad, etc. The participants spent a huge amount of money buying all of these filters, and no UV filters. Everyone was happy. This is no B.S. !!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:07:28 -0800 From: Mark Kronquist To: Subject: UV Filters and the real world Message-ID: My Hasselblads and Leicas are on the road with me almost on a daily basis (6 business flights so far in January, 38,000 air miles in December). UV filters are cheap insurance...even when they cost $50 each... In theory there may be some image degradation, but the degradation caused by careless security inspectors, rain, snow, dust, dirt and such poses a far greater danger of permanent degrading damage to very expensive lens elements. Much less painful to dispose of a filter than take a lens out of service for a very expensive regrinding or replacement element. Perhaps I was lucky, but I have had a UV filter destroyed by flying debris during the 1993 street fighting in Moscow without damaging the front lens element on my 150mm. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:01:14 -0600 From: "hdinh" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] New User Question Message-ID: <3c44605a.1cd5.1804289383@wt.net> Mike, Thanks for the information. I suspect just that much, but not really sure. Regards, Spike > Spiky: > > Started out with a similar system and I believe your lens > has a B50 fitting > > I found Hasselblad and 3rd party B50 filters quite pricey. > So I bought a B50 > to 52mm adaptor for $18.00 and used my existing B&W and > Hoya filters, worked > just fine and still use it today. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spike [mailto:spiky@houston.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:34 PM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: [HUG] New User Question > > > > > I have an old 500C with a silver Carl Zeiss 80mm lense. > Can anyone tell me > more about this lense? I've heard of the term Bay 50, > 60..that supposedly > describes the connection. Which of these is mine? I 'd > like to get some > filter for B/W work, but have no idea how to get one. > > Thanks ahead for replying. > Spiky > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of > Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. > This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's > subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to > this list. Use text > mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of > Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its > content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with > Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to > this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:26:54 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: >And what situation is flare NOT and issue? About %99.9999999 of what I shoot. >I dot know about you but when i shoot people I've got the sun behind >them when ever possible. I believe most people put the sun behind them when shooting... Austin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:32:40 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <3C4467B9.27910F1@markrabiner.com> Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > > At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: > >And what situation is flare NOT and issue? > >I dot know about you but when i shoot people I've got the sun behind > >them when ever possible. > > My windowless studio. > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner You don't use backdrop lights, separation lights or hair lights? Even with none of those lights which are set up in front of you not behind you a windowless studio which is my common working environment is not a non flare issue. A white backdrop creates a flare issue even when used only with one light, and especially with big light sources. In a small studio there is light bouncing around all over the place. I'm always surpried to find a good amount of photographers not using lens shades in the studio as if flare is not an issue in the studio. How could it not be an issue? Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.markrabiner.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:40:35 -0800 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] re: Lewis and his scratched lenses Message-ID: <3C446994.1AE8B331@markrabiner.com> Christopher Gonzaga Photography wrote: > > I do most of my work in the studio shooting still life. I always use a lens > hood to prevent most of the stray light from causing flare. I use a UV > filter when I don't know if my studio flashes are color corrected. The UV > filter helps to reduce the blue cast you would get in colour photographs. I > don't use a UV filter when I use CC flash tubes since it adds another glass > air surface that I have to protect from stray light. > I got my Balcars in the late 70's and they are the coldest strobes out there I'm pretty sure still. The guy down the street was using them to shoot the Jantzen catalogs. We experimented with various exotic UV filters but then went to filtering the lights themselves. When the Chimera soft boxes came out they were warm enough. Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.markrabiner.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:43:40 -0800 From: Mike Kirwan To: mark@markrabiner.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: I agree with Mark. I have a very small home studio which doubles as a home office. The walls are painted white (not my choice, the wife is the Director of Decor). I do not have an elaborate lighting set up, three small Norman Heads, but with the light bouncing off virtually everything that is not matt black, I need my adjustable compendium lens shade and rack it out so to the max before it would vignette. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mark Rabiner [mailto:mark@markrabiner.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:33 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > > At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: > >And what situation is flare NOT and issue? > >I dot know about you but when i shoot people I've got the sun behind > >them when ever possible. > > My windowless studio. > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner You don't use backdrop lights, separation lights or hair lights? Even with none of those lights which are set up in front of you not behind you a windowless studio which is my common working environment is not a non flare issue. A white backdrop creates a flare issue even when used only with one light, and especially with big light sources. In a small studio there is light bouncing around all over the place. I'm always surpried to find a good amount of photographers not using lens shades in the studio as if flare is not an issue in the studio. How could it not be an issue? Mark Rabiner Portland, Oregon USA http://www.markrabiner.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:46:33 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: > You don't use backdrop lights, separation lights or hair lights? > Even with none of those lights which are set up in front of you not > behind you a windowless studio which is my common working environment is > not a non flare issue. > A white backdrop creates a flare issue even when used only with one > light, and especially with big light sources. > In a small studio there is light bouncing around all over the place. > I'm always surprised to find a good amount of photographers not using > lens shades in the studio as if flare is not an issue in the studio. > How could it not be an issue? Hi Mark, I ALWAYS use a shade...but I've also shot some 10,000+ studio shots, and never had a flare problem in the studio...even though I do keep my UV on (as well as the shade) when in the studio. Austin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:03:48 -0500 From: Lewis Weber To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <3C448B24.2EE92446@worldnet.att.net> Also, we should keep in mind that the vast majority of UV filters sold in camera stores are for amateur customers using 35mm cameras - many of whom do not appreciate the (relatively) delicate nature their lens coatings. The UV filter protects their lenses from amateur attempts to clean their fingerprints, etc., from the lens surfaces. I have seen countless lenses whose UV filter sustained a great deal of abuse over the years and a new UV filter essentially renewed the lens at a fraction of the cost of replacing the front element. This sort of customer tends to use print film, no tripod and shoots with program exposure. The UV filter is properly recommended to this kind of customer. However, the Hasselblad user is interested in only the highest quality images, and in some circumstances the filter is warranted, and in other circumstances not. The difference is that the Hasselblad user is aware of all the parameters of the UV - good and bad - and makes an informed decision when its use is correct for his or her style of photography. -Lewis Weber Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > > At 03:45 AM 01/15/2002, you wrote: > >The single purpose for UV filters is for camera store profit. > > I am sorry, but I have to take umbrage at this calumny. Everyone here who's > anti-UV filter seems to be operating from the perspective of shooting > portraits or models or weddings or commercial stuff in controlled > situations where a UV filter may well not be necessary for lens > protection/insurance. Heck, my studio-only stuff doesn't have UV filters > either. > > B U T ... > > some of us are shooting in less amenable environments. I posted obliquely > yesterday about getting caught in a frat food fight. It was no joke and it > really happened. Getting whipped cream and chocolate pudding off my lens > would have been impossible. Unscrewing the filter after wiping down the > lens barrel & hood let me finish my day's assignments. The silk tie I was > wearing and the UV filter went into the trash. I've also shot rodeos from > the floor, and there's plenty of stuff it's not so simply to scrape off the > front of a lens, hood or not. I shot plenty of basketball & wrestling too > (the real college-Olympics kind, not the WWF stuff) and flying drops of > perspiration are a consideration. No joke. > > My point is that while a UV filter is NOT necessary all the time, whether > for UV filtration or protection/insurance, it IS advisable some of the > time. Those who've said, "No UV filter, EVER," as as wrong as those who've > said, "UV filters on every lens every second." > > Remember what Groucho said about cigars? Applies to filters too. Finally, > suggesting that every store salesman who suggests a UV filter is, every > time, trying to line his (or the store owner's) pocket at the unsuspecting > customer's expense is just as wrong and just as blatant a generalization as > the filter conversation has been. > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:18:26 +0100 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <00f201c19e01$d0601c00$fec4f1c3@qnu350> Lewis Weber wrote: > However, the Hasselblad user is interested in only the highest quality > images, and in some circumstances the filter is warranted, and in other > circumstances not. The difference is that the Hasselblad user is aware > of all the parameters of the UV - good and bad - and makes an informed > decision when its use is correct for his or her style of photography. Wow!!! We're good, aren't we!? ;-))) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:22:34 -0500 From: Bernard Ferster To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115162145.00a04220@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> At 11:02 AM 1/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Remember what Groucho said about cigars? Yes: "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." .........................B.F.................... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:36:54 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20020115163654.017399e4@roanoke.infi.net> At 04:22 PM 1/15/02 -0500, Bernard Ferster wrote: >At 11:02 AM 1/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Remember what Groucho said about cigars? > > >Yes: "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." Actually, that is from Kipling. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:46:01 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: Either way, it's a wonderful turn in this thread... On 1/15/02 1:36 PM, "Marc James Small" wrote: > At 04:22 PM 1/15/02 -0500, Bernard Ferster wrote: >> At 11:02 AM 1/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>> Remember what Groucho said about cigars? >>=20 >>=20 >> Yes: "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." >=20 > Actually, that is from Kipling. >=20 > Marc >=20 > msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 > Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir! >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Inter= net, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in = no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliate= s. >=20 > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use t= ext > mode only. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:47:34 -0800 From: george day To: Subject: Jobo advice Message-ID: Changing topics ENTIRELY...I'm thinking about breaking down and buying a Jobo system, primarily for my MF work. Never had one, never used one. Advice, comments? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:09:13 -0500 From: "Carol Maurin" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Jobo advice Message-ID: <003a01c19e11$47663dc0$a181d043@default> I love mine. I have an older CPA2 with the lift. And when I need tech help the people at JOBO are terrific. I use it to process my 35mm and MF Black and White negs. I don't do color. I don't use it for printing either. My negs look great. I've done a lot of testing. I'm very happy with the results. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "george day" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: [HUG] Jobo advice > Changing topics ENTIRELY...I'm thinking about breaking down and buying a > Jobo system, primarily for my MF work. Never had one, never used one. > Advice, comments? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:37:05 -0500 From: Lewis Weber To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Jobo advice Message-ID: <3C44AF11.95F4F991@worldnet.att.net> I have not used the processor, but I have used their drums a part of another processor for C41 and for black & white using Kodak HC110 developer, with excellent results. I have not researched the Jobo models for many years, but I would assume the rule still holds that more you spend the more automated the processor. Also, larger models have larger chemical storage tanks to facilitate larger production runs and faster repeated runs. Some people like to process their b&w at relatively low temperatures, e.g., 68 degrees F., so you will need a cold water source to cool the processing drum and the chemicals inside, if the tap water temperature is too high. I would not be surprised if you could get a good deal on a used one. -Lewis Weber george day wrote: > > Changing topics ENTIRELY...I'm thinking about breaking down and buying a > Jobo system, primarily for my MF work. Never had one, never used one. > Advice, comments? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:11:40 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Jobo advice Message-ID: > Changing topics ENTIRELY...I'm thinking about breaking down and buying a > Jobo system, primarily for my MF work. Never had one, never used one. > Advice, comments? Hi George, Check out the ATL 1500 (I have this model). It does pretty much only film, can do 6 120 rolls at a time...is fully automated and I can't say one bad thing about it. It's also fully programmable. I also highly recommend an Intellifaucet to regulate the input water temperature. If you do get an Intellifaucet, let me know and I'll give you some installation tips on how to make a loop to keep the temp constant even when the main water isn't running. Austin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:32:19 -0800 From: Mike Kirwan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] Jobo advice Message-ID: I have a CPE2-Plus with Lift. I use it for developing 35mm, 120 and 4x5 black & white films and transparencies. Very consistent results and a big time saver. The Lift is the key to comfortable work. If you are looking for a smaller unit then the CPE2 Plus has a small footprint, word of caution if you are considering a used model make sure it is a CPE2-Plus! Support from Jobo is excellent, and the tanks, spirals etc very good quality. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george day [mailto:george@rdcinteractive.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:48 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Jobo advice Changing topics ENTIRELY...I'm thinking about breaking down and buying a Jobo system, primarily for my MF work. Never had one, never used one. Advice, comments? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:59:39 EST From: ShadCat11@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: <3f.4fbf70d.29761c6b@aol.com> --part1_3f.4fbf70d.29761c6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 8:02:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, henryp@bhphotovideo.com writes: > Remember what Groucho said about cigars? Applies to filters too. What did Grouch say about cigars? Although a non-smoker, I know of filter tipped cigarettes, but was not aware cigars were available with them. Allen Zak --part1_3f.4fbf70d.29761c6b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 8:02:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, henryp@bhphotovideo.com writes:


Remember what Groucho said about cigars? Applies to filters too.


What did Grouch say about cigars?  Although a non-smoker, I know of filter tipped cigarettes, but was not aware cigars were available with them.

Allen Zak



--part1_3f.4fbf70d.29761c6b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:18:04 EST From: ShadCat11@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lewis and his scratched lens Message-ID: --part1_b7.1a0725d0.297620bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 1:43:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, msmall@roanoke.infi.net writes: > >>Remember what Groucho said about cigars? > > > > > >Yes: "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." > > Actually, that is from Kipling. > > No wonder I was unfamiliar with the quote. I have never Kipled. Allen Zak --part1_b7.1a0725d0.297620bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 1:43:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, msmall@roanoke.infi.net writes:


>>Remember what Groucho said about cigars?
>
>
>Yes: "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke."

Actually, that is from Kipling.



No wonder I was unfamiliar with the quote.  I have never Kipled.

Allen Zak --part1_b7.1a0725d0.297620bc_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:18:27 -0800 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] Jobo advice Message-ID: Yes... DO IT! CPE2... limited to 600ml of fluid.... and does not accept Expert tanks CPA2... Handles all the tanks, Analog readout of temp, significantly larger tub... like 3 times the counter space.... CPP2.... Ditto CPA2 but has digital readout. Watch out for used equipment.,,,, these are expensive to get parts for..... Tanks to get.... 2523 for 1 reel of 4x5 ( 2509N reel) 2553 for 2 reels of 4x5 or 3 rolls of 120. Reels... 2502 reels... or Hewes SS reels, if you prefer that style.... The 1500 tanks are really OK, and I have no problem with them...... Checkout the JOBO page for better info..... www.jobo.com Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:18:34 -0800 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, Subject: Re: [HUG] Jobo advice Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115191725.03e7ec10@pop.alink.net> At 01:47 PM 1/15/2002 -0800, george day wrote: >Changing topics ENTIRELY...I'm thinking about breaking down and buying a >Jobo system, primarily for my MF work. Never had one, never used one. >Advice, comments? George, I have a large JOBO system with all of the bells and whistles. You need to stop by my house and checkout my darkroom. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:26:55 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Frankel" To: Subject: which way to slide in the dark slide Message-ID: <007201c19e3d$bc64c980$6401a8c0@bellatlantic.net> Ok everyone, I'm out of the lurking shadows with a question that has been haunting me for a long time. When you pull out the slide on a film back, there is a rolled section that attaches the handle. Should i replace the slide with the rolled part facing the front or the back of the film back? If it faces back, it does seem to nudge out the slide when I remove the film, but this is of no real consequence as the film is always fully spooled up at that time. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:36:54 -0700 From: Peter Rosenthal To: Subject: Re: [HUG] which way to slide in the dark slide Message-ID: > When you pull out the slide on a film back, there is a rolled section that > attaches the handle. Should i replace the slide with the rolled part facing > the front or the back of the film back? If it faces back, it does seem to > nudge out the slide when I remove the film, but this is of no real > consequence as the film is always fully spooled up at that time. > > Jeff Yo Jeff- Good question! I always slide it in with the rolled part facing forward. That way it never gets in the way of the magazine and it just feels better. It is critical that you always put your tongue at the edge of your mouth to aid in the body english required to install it properly, tho. One other thing... On behalf of camera mechanics everywhere I'd like to thank Henry "Photon-man" Posner for standing up for us repair-types!! Now that we got that out of the way can we all just go back to discussing Lewis and his scratched lens??!! Please? It was just starting to get good! Peter -- Peter Rosenthal PR Camera Repair 111 E. Aspen #1 Flagstaff, AZ 86001 928 779-5263 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:42:37 -0500 From: "Austin Franklin" To: Subject: RE: [HUG] which way to slide in the dark slide Message-ID: > Ok everyone, I'm out of the lurking shadows with a question that has been > haunting me for a long time. > > When you pull out the slide on a film back, there is a rolled section that > attaches the handle. Should i replace the slide with the rolled > part facing > the front or the back of the film back? If it faces back, it does seem to > nudge out the slide when I remove the film, but this is of no real > consequence as the film is always fully spooled up at that time. Hi Jeff, I put it facing forward, simply so I can load and unload the magazine insert... If you fact it to the back, it "somewhat" blocks the magazine insert, as you have observed. Austin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:29:26 +0800 From: "rstein" To: Subject: Re: [HUG] Jobo advice Message-ID: <005801c19e57$26cb8520$83eb8890@wa.bigpond.net.au> Dear Friend, I picked up a used Jobo TBE 2 box from the local camera knackers. It is nothing more than a heated water bath with an insert top for bottles of chemicals and a developing tank. Temperature accuracy is good and the 1000 ml. bottles contain enough AP 70 chemicals to process either a Paterson 120 tank or a Combiplan 4 x 5 load in half an hour. With a little wangling you can fit cake tins in and process 70mm. film reels at a fraction of the cost of the commercial labs. It helps if you set the whole up in another 20 x 24 tray to catch oversplash. Uncle Dick ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #1471 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. Please turn off HTML mail features prior to posting to this list. Use text mode only. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm