hasselblad Sun, 28 Jun 1998 Volume 1 : Number 229 In this issue: YOUR ISN REPORT Robert Monaghan Re: Hassy lens prices (LONG) RE: Hasselblad/USA services Re: Re: Hassy lens prices (LONG) Re: Re: Hassy lens prices (LONG) Re: Mount obsolescence economics Re: hassy lens prices up 6 times faster than inflation Off-topic: MF Photo CD labs ... Thick film Warning: Re: Thick film Thick film ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:38:46 +0000 From: "George" To: intlstocknet@server6.inetworld.com Subject: YOUR ISN REPORT Message-ID: <199806270532.WAA32625@server6.inetworld.com> **************************************************** INTERNATIONAL STOCK NETWORK brings you the latest news on companies it feels will offer investors upside potential via the following ISN REPORT. (http://www.intlstocknetwork.com) June 27, 1998 (Released for the opening of trading on June 29) Email the Editor: George@intlstocknetwork.com **************************************************** Copyright (c) 1998 by The International Stock Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. **************************************************** **************************************************** If you had purchased stock based on our last two picks at this same initial stage where we are with Wolf Industries you could have made a 10.25 times gain (DAWSON SCIENCE CORP. (DWSC) and a 5.83 times gain (QUILL INDUSTRIES, INC. (QUIL) respectively (a ,000.00 investment would have equated to $10,250.00 and $5,833.00 respectively). THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WOLF INDUSTRIES WILL PERFORM AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS TWO STOCK PICKS. THERE ARE MANY FACTORS WHICH COULD CAUSE ONE TO LOOSE THEIR ENTIRE INVESTMENT. PLEASE READ THE DISCLAIMER BELOW BEFORE INVESTING. ****************************************************************** WOLF INDUSTRIES, INC. (OTCBB:WLFN) is our current stock pick. Wolf Industries (Wolf) is poised to initiate marketing of its DENTAL COLOR ANALYZER, the latest in technological developments within the dental industry. The Dental Color Analyzer (DCA) determines the shades of translucent dental materials used in replace nt and/or restorative work, precisely matches shades to the original teeth of patients and can be adapted to any shade guide the dentist chooses. Have you, a friend or family member ever gone to the dentist whereby restorative dental work was performed? Do you recall that a chart was used much like a paint chart to match the color of your teeth? Have you ever seen restorative work done on others where it was obvious that the color of the restored tooth did not matc Even if the dentist and you agreed that the color was right--what light did you make the determination under? In the final result it will make a difference! Wolf's new DCA takes the guesswork out of the matching process. It has been noted as the "missing ink" in cosmetic dentistry. Take this package to your dentist and ask them what they think? The new DCA is truly about "turning art into science". The DCA works very quickly. Within 2 - 3 seconds it displays shade and guide information regardless of ambient lighting and surrounding noise. There is no other product on the market that fills the niche in the dental industry as the Dental Color Analyzer. With over 170,000 dentists in the US alone and over 15,000 dental laboratories, the market for the DCA is enormous. Cosmetic dentistry is on a dramatic rise, especially within the North American marketplace. It is expected that by the year 2000 nearly 90% of the dental industry will specialize in some form of dentistry, the majority of these specializations will be cosmetically oriented. Wolf Industries anticipates sales in excess of $15 Million in the first year rollout. That equates to sales to less than 3% of the marketplace. Recently Wolf announced that it had signed on two new directors to enhance its already noteworthy Board of directors. (See the news release from Wolf below). This week Wolf announced the results of the preview of its Dental Color Analyzer at one of the most prestigious International Cosmetic Dentistry shows. Reviews by the professionals in the industry were impressive, further lending testimony to the viability and tremendous market potential for the Company's product. (See the latest new release from Wolf below). International Stock network is excited to see all the positive developments at Wolf. The Company is poised for rapid growth; the demand for its product is great; industry reception is extremely high; and best of all, the management team in place is one of he best. We hope to bring you additional positive developments next week as we look for further news from Wolf Industries. We have set a price target for Wolf at $3.00 to $5.00 per share. Price targets may be revised upward as revenue and income generating contracts are signed by Wolf (Ticker: WLFN) in the near future. Below we have provided the latest news releases that Wolf Industries issued: ************************************************************** Company Press Release WOLF INDUSTRIES APPOINTS ACKNOWLEDGED WORLD EXPERTS TO BOARD OF DIRECTORS (Seattle, WA - PRNewswire) Patrick McGowan, President and CEO of Wolf Industries Inc. (OTC BB:WLFN ) is pleased to announce the appointments of Dr. David Gane and Mr. Ken Liebscher to the Board of Directors. Dr Gane (D.D.S., B. Sc.) is an acknowledged expert on dental imaging technologies and has maintained a private practice dedicated to restorative dentistry for the past 17 years. He is a co-founder and President of Source Dental Image Inc. (1988), a company specializing in the development and sale of Dental Imaging Softwar He is also co-founder and Advisor to Image FX Software Solutions (1995), a company that specializes in the development and sale of Dental Imaging Software Solutions to dentists and physicians, and was co-founder and President of Pro-Dentec Canada. He is e author of numerous publications on Esthetic Dentistry and Dental Imaging, and acts as consultant to corporations and universities worldwide. Mr. Liebscher spent 22 years in senior management positions with Dentsply International Inc. (NASDAQ: XRAY), the premier manufacturer of dental products worldwide with sales in excess of US$400 million annually. In 1990, Mr. Liebscher was recruited by European-based Ivoclar, a Dental Products Manufacturer with sales i excess of US$300 million annually, to head up their North American sales and distribution network. Dr. Gane's and Mr. Liebscher's experience will be of substantial value in the development and deployment of a multi-faceted marketing campaign to ensure maximum penetration of the Dental Color Analyzer in dental markets throughout the world. *************************************************** LATEST PRESS RELEASE Thursday June 25, 8:01 am Eastern Time COMPANY PRESS RELEASE SOURCE: WOLF INDUSTRIES, INC. STRONG INDUSTRY SUPPORT FOR NEW COSMETIC DENTAL TECHNOLOGY AT INTERNATIONAL DENTISTRY CONFERENCE SEATTLE, June 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Wolf Industries Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board:WLFN - news) is pleased to announce its new cosmetic dentistry product, The Dental Color Analyzer, received strong industry support at a recent conference of The American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry, this month. The conference is on of the most prestigious Cosmetic Dentistry shows held annually and highlights new products and technology with an international attendance of leaders in the cosmetic dentistry field. Several test sites throughout North America have also been chosen for the product. The Dental Color Analyzer has been developed to assist dentists in determining accurate and true measurement of shades and colors of dental materials. To date, the dental industry has relied primarily on visual interpretation of tooth shades for restorative dental work. The Dental Color Analyzer (patent pending) uses a unique optical fiber spectroscopy to determine the exact shade of the original tooth, resulting in a superior match. Industry testimonials regarding the Dental Color Analyzer: ``When it comes to any cosmetic dental procedure, precision is vital. The Dental Color Analyzer has bridged the gap between dentist and laboratory.'' Dr. Kim Sperly, Copenhagen, Denmark. ``It's about time a technology like this was developed. I think the product will sell itself.'' Dr. Anthony J. Vocaturo, Bayonne, New Jersey. ``This technology is for dentists who want to be at the top end of the industry - it gives the best possible results, and provides better communication to lab technicians.'' Todd C. Snyder, Faculty UCLA Center For Esthetic Dentistry. ``Matching colors is difficult. There's nothing like it on the market, and it's easy to use.'' Dr. Jill Wade, Coppell, Texas. ``The Dental Color Analyzer makes failsafe communication with the lab to clarify exact chroma and hue of a tooth.'' Dr. Chris Von Rosenback, Burlington, Ontario. Wolf Industries Inc. is a dental technology company with exclusive worldwide manufacturing and marketing rights to the DCA (Dental Color Analyzer), a leading edge cosmetic dental technology which uses fiber-optic spectroscopy. SOURCE: Wolf Industries, Inc. 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As you have noted, Asian pricing is presently much lower than U.S. - e.g., $1,700 or so in HK for 50 CF FLE v. $2,700 here. If - big if - $800 was the price in HK 10 years ago and was profitable, and if the $1,700 HK price today exceeds the marginal production cost (and is therefore also profitable today), then costs to VH in Krona for Zeiss lenses made in Germany and purchased with DMs may in fact have increased by 100% ($800 ---> $1,700) at the same time that the U.S. CPI rose by 54%. That could explain part of the price increase in the U.S. 2. That still leaves the difference between today's Asian and U.S. pricing. There may be some difference in operating costs between markets, but IMHO operating cost differentials are negligible and may actually favor the U.S. So we still have a big pricing gap. 3. Price discrimination between markets probably explains that gap. Most mfrs of differentiated "luxury" goods try this. It means soaking the "rich" markets where (i) buyers attach value to brand names and their perceived high quality, (ii) the legal system helps to maintain the value of brand names by punishing trademark violators and enforcing the mfr-dictated terms of distributors' and dealers' agreements, (iii) incomes are relatively high, thus providing relatively high demand for high-quality products, and (iv) the market is isolated from others by import barriers or simply distance/language/etc. Apparently VH perceives the U.S. as such a market compared to some others. And that perception seems to be shared by Mamiya and others that similarly post differentially high prices in the U.S. v. Asia. 4. Currency swings in favor of the dollar (like now) aggravate these pricing differentials. At some point it becomes worthwhile to cross geographic boundaries. That has tempted many of us to reach out to vendors in Asia for photo gear. In the mid-80s, for all of the same reasons, there was for a time a thriving gray market in Euro luxury cars. In luxury watches today, again for all of the same reasons, there is a lot of gray trade in many brands, but not Rolex. Rolex pricing is pretty consistent around the world. Maybe Rolex decided that the costs of enforcing pricing differentials just wasn't worth it. 5. There is no great reason for U.S. purchasers to cooperate with the discriminatory pricing of VH or any other mfr. The fix is to cross borders with purchases. That isn't all that difficult. There are warranty issues - the U.S. distributor may not provide coverage, although the foreign vendor and VH itself certainly will - but with high quality gear, lens-by-lens quality control should be first rate, thus minimizing the value of warranties anyway. Recently on the Leica list an American in Japan offered to buy and ship a specialized finder that costs much less there. He had over *fifty* takers. That sort of thing will get the U.S. distributor howling at the mfr, which can either devote enormous resources to sticking a legal finger in every hole in the price discrimination dike or just reduce pricing differentials to reduce pressure on them. 6. That's my personal solution to geographic price discrimination - buy overseas and laugh at the mfr trying to maintain price differences as if there were not a global marketplace with email, fax machines, credit cards, and the free and virtually instantaneous flow of information through channels like this one. Cyrus Gardner Kormendi\Gardner Partners 202/822-0900 voice 202/331-1151 fax ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:41:28 +0000 From: "Cyrus Gardner" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: Hasselblad/USA services Message-ID: <199806271047.GAA07901@stmpy.cais.net> > Yes, VHB might be at some major trade shows and camera shows - in the > major markets -even if no local distributor existed. And press releases > might get sent out too. But you can't beat a local distributor for on the > ground intensity and self-interest in promoting the brands ;-) The incentive to provide service is directly correlated to the mark-up. VH would have the same incentive as a non-VH owned distributor. The latter, however, has another incentive - the incentive to avoid losing the distributorship ! So, the smart distributor puts on a very good show for the mfr if it wants to keep its (valuable) franchise. Cyrus Gardner Kormendi\Gardner Partners 202/822-0900 voice 202/331-1151 fax ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:16:07 -0400 From: "Ed Kirkpatrick" To: Subject: Re: Re: Hassy lens prices (LONG) Message-ID: <004d01bda1d6$213e82a0$3957accf@photon> Thanks Cyrus, but here's is the big question in my view. Is there a channel to safely purchase this equipment overseas and have it shipped here? In the audio equipment markets there is a huge grey market for quality gear. Does this exist for Hasselblad products as well. I don't mind paying for quality, I just want to do it standing up not bending over...if you get my drift. Ed Kirkpatrick -----Original Message----- From: Cyrus Gardner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 6:28 AM Subject: Re: Hassy lens prices (LONG) > ************************************************************************** > Why are hasselblad lens prices going up _S_I_X_ times plus faster than * > inflation (300%+ increase $800 to $2700 vs. 54% inflation increase CPI?).* > ************************************************************************** I would suggest several factors: 1. As you have noted, Asian pricing is presently much lower than U.S. - e.g., $1,700 or so in HK for 50 CF FLE v. $2,700 here. If - big if - $800 was the price in HK 10 years ago and was profitable, and if the $1,700 HK price today exceeds the marginal production cost (and is therefore also profitable today), then costs to VH in Krona for Zeiss lenses made in Germany and purchased with DMs may in fact have increased by 100% ($800 ---> $1,700) at the same time that the U.S. CPI rose by 54%. That could explain part of the price increase in the U.S. 2. That still leaves the difference between today's Asian and U.S. pricing. There may be some difference in operating costs between markets, but IMHO operating cost differentials are negligible and may actually favor the U.S. So we still have a big pricing gap. 3. Price discrimination between markets probably explains that gap. Most mfrs of differentiated "luxury" goods try this. It means soaking the "rich" markets where (i) buyers attach value to brand names and their perceived high quality, (ii) the legal system helps to maintain the value of brand names by punishing trademark violators and enforcing the mfr-dictated terms of distributors' and dealers' agreements, (iii) incomes are relatively high, thus providing relatively high demand for high-quality products, and (iv) the market is isolated from others by import barriers or simply distance/language/etc. Apparently VH perceives the U.S. as such a market compared to some others. And that perception seems to be shared by Mamiya and others that similarly post differentially high prices in the U.S. v. Asia. 4. Currency swings in favor of the dollar (like now) aggravate these pricing differentials. At some point it becomes worthwhile to cross geographic boundaries. That has tempted many of us to reach out to vendors in Asia for photo gear. In the mid-80s, for all of the same reasons, there was for a time a thriving gray market in Euro luxury cars. In luxury watches today, again for all of the same reasons, there is a lot of gray trade in many brands, but not Rolex. Rolex pricing is pretty consistent around the world. Maybe Rolex decided that the costs of enforcing pricing differentials just wasn't worth it. 5. There is no great reason for U.S. purchasers to cooperate with the discriminatory pricing of VH or any other mfr. The fix is to cross borders with purchases. That isn't all that difficult. There are warranty issues - the U.S. distributor may not provide coverage, although the foreign vendor and VH itself certainly will - but with high quality gear, lens-by-lens quality control should be first rate, thus minimizing the value of warranties anyway. Recently on the Leica list an American in Japan offered to buy and ship a specialized finder that costs much less there. He had over *fifty* takers. That sort of thing will get the U.S. distributor howling at the mfr, which can either devote enormous resources to sticking a legal finger in every hole in the price discrimination dike or just reduce pricing differentials to reduce pressure on them. 6. That's my personal solution to geographic price discrimination - buy overseas and laugh at the mfr trying to maintain price differences as if there were not a global marketplace with email, fax machines, credit cards, and the free and virtually instantaneous flow of information through channels like this one. Cyrus Gardner Kormendi\Gardner Partners 202/822-0900 voice 202/331-1151 fax ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:25:04 +0000 From: "Cyrus Gardner" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Re: Hassy lens prices (LONG) Message-ID: <199806271831.OAA10575@stmpy.cais.net> > Thanks Cyrus, but here's is the big question in my view. Is there a channel > to safely purchase this equipment overseas and have it shipped here? In the > audio equipment markets there is a huge grey market for quality gear. Does > this exist for Hasselblad products as well. AFAIK it isn't particularly well established. There are some dealers with good reps, but I am unaware of, for example, any Asian dealer aggressively seeking cross-border sales. Of course, that might get a dealer in dutch w/ the mfr if it's too visible. Regards, Cyrus Cyrus Gardner Kormendi\Gardner Partners 202/822-0900 voice 202/331-1151 fax ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Mendales To: Hasselblad Subject: Re: Mount obsolescence economics Message-ID: Hi Bob and all, One thing that we haven't discussed very much in talking about pricing policies is manufacturing techniques, and corresponding changes in mechanical quality. The Japanese manufacturers, going from manual to auto focusing, did more than that. They significantly reduced their manufacturing costs, by replacing metal components with plastic ones and by removing helpful little details of older lenses such as depth of field scales. That's one reason why I tend to prefer Nikon's older AI and AIS lenses to most of the newer AF models, except where the latter have clearly improved optics. Good engineering plastics may cost more, volume for volume, than corresponding metals, but they can be molded instead of machined, and so the hand labor required to assemble plastic bodies and plastic-barrelled lenses is reduced substantially. That's an important reason why Nikon's N90 costs a lot less than the F5 (aside from the fact that the F5 is still a sexy novelty on the market). You may also have noticed that Pentax has just introduced a new metal-barrelled 43mm. AF lens for its 35mm. cameras, for people who are nostalgic for their old Spotmatics. It costs about seven times as much as similar Pentax AF lenses. Part of that, of course, is because it's a limited edition, but part of it comes from the fact that it's much more expensive to build a lens whose mechanical components are metal. While the tame photographic press has been busy proclaiming the superiority of plastic (and it clearly does have some advantages, even in use, such as light weight), I remain a skeptic. Plastic doesn't feel as good in heavy use, and it appears to me that it won't bear weight, heat, and other stresses as well, and probably won't last as long as metal. That's one reason why Hasselblad's introduction of its CB lenses worries me, quite apart from the apparent decline in the quality of the optics. If VH compromises quality to save manufacturing expenses, it may actually reduce its differentiation from its lower cost competitors, and thereby kill its market share quickly rather than slowly. That will be the time to break out the canvas and oil paints ;-). Regards, Richard Mendales University of Miami ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:34:39 -0400 From: kroppe To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hassy lens prices up 6 times faster than inflation Message-ID: <3595575F.3923619@mich.com> The honorable Mr. Monaghan wrote a bit about inflation and lens prices.... Bob, what about Sweden's CPI and exchange rate vs. the dollar? If Swedish manufacturing costs went up more than the US CPI, then at constant profit margins, the price to US consumers would rise faster than the US CPI. Taxes and other government "help" affect manufacturing costs. We know that Sweden, and Scandinavia in general, has some of the highest taxes (and large quantity/high quality of social services). These effects, combined with increased product development activity could account for increased lens prices. The following data is from http://www.scb.se/snabb/kpitbeng.htm. Swedish CPI today is 258.1 (Total, all items, 1980=100) which equals 1.0541% average annual increase over the past 18 years. I don't know if the period since 1987 was of higher or lower inflation than the overall period of 1980-1998. However, the index for "Miscellaneous goods and services" is 328.1 (1980=100) which equals 1.0682% average annual increase over the past 18 years. You could argue convincingly that camera equipment is more like "miscellaneous good and services" than the total index of all goods and services. I tried to find Swedish PPI but couldn't find anything on the web. This compares with your figure of 54% increase for the US CPI which equals 1.0394% average annual increase over the past 12 years. US made goods will have had price increases substantially lower than Swedish imported goods. The following comes from http://oanda.com/converter/classic. The Swedish Kroner has weakened against the dollar on average by approximately 3% per year since 1990. This counteracts Sweden's inflationary price pressures so the net effect 6.8% inflation - 3% currency weakening equals somewhere around 4% average annual increase in lens prices, which is about the same as the US CPI. 300% increase in lens prices today vs. 1987 equals approximately 10% average annual price increase. So the difference between 10% lens price annual inflation and 4% Swedish annual inflation/currency fluctuation equals 6% annual real increase in price/margins for VHB. If you allow some of this increase to pay for increased product development costs in recent years, the lens price increases become a little more justifiable, but no less painful in the wallet. Also, I think it might be a little unrealistic to think that *real* (inflation-adjusted) prices for camera equipment will not increase over the long term. My passion for this issue stems from my career in the auto industry, where we face international economic pressures all the time. Car companies want parts supplied globally at the lowest price, with the same price regardless of delivery site. This means that if a supplier can make a part in Mexico for the lowest price, that is the price GM wants. You then must sell the part at the Mexican price for shipment to GM's plant in Europe, Asia, South and North America. Manufacturing realities dictate manufacture close to vehicle assembly plants, therefore the part is being made in different countries with different economic conditions, but GM want the third world price in the first world countries. Not exactly realistic. I'm not disagreeing with you, Bob, just bringing some more food for thought to the table. :) B.J. Kroppe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:03:29 -0400 From: "David Freedman" To: Subject: Off-topic: MF Photo CD labs ... Message-ID: <01bda230$905bb0e0$dfbf440c@thor> Under duress, I shot a few rolls of PMC 220 (with my 503cw) at a friend's wedding today. I'm now toying with the idea of having the rolls processed and scanned to Photo CD. I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good pro lab that does quality C-41 as well as Photo CD production at a somewhat reasonable cost. Thanks in advance for any guidance. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:56:04 -0400 From: Russ & Kathy Thornton To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Thick film Message-ID: <3595A2B4.1C978617@gdi.net> Does anyone have any experience with Agfa Pan ASA 25 film? I just shot my first roll and had it loaded in my A12 back. I felt like I was cranking laundry through the rollers. Has anyone else had this experience? When I developed it I found it to be very thick and stiff. It just felt like I was stressing the winding mechanaism. Any comments? Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:05:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Monaghan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Warning: Re: Thick film Message-ID: You are right to be worried, IMHO ;-) When T-Max film first came out, there were some problems and reports of the thicker film base tearing up the Bronica S/S2/EC series cameras - but followup reports suggested that they fixed the film to make it thinner; from my pages at http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/bronnotes.html#tmax2 Quote-on----------------- Sun, 18 Jan 1998 From: Bruce McLaughlin bmclaugh@primenet.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: camera gears vs. thick Tmax film problems?? thin film problems? When TMAX first came out I believe I did have an occasional problem with my Hasselblad. But unless I'm mistaken, Kodak altered the base support thickness (made it thinner) and the current version of the films cause no problems for me. I've also used FP4 with never a problem. end quotes============== I would be worried about the kinds of problems you suggest enough to try some other film, maybe contact mfgers - and wait until I knew it was okay ;-) hope this helps - good luck - bobm PS I have a listing of 120/220 films and comments by posters at: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/film.html - lots to pick from ;-) * Robert Monaghan POB752182 Dallas Tx 75275-2182 rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu * * Bronica 6x6 medium format: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/bronica.html site * * Medium Format Cameras: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/index.html megasite* On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Russ & Kathy Thornton wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with Agfa Pan ASA 25 film? I just shot > my first roll and had it loaded in my A12 back. I felt like I was > cranking laundry through the rollers. Has anyone else had this > experience? When I developed it I found it to be very thick and stiff. > It just felt like I was stressing the winding mechanaism. Any comments? > > Russ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. > > This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:37:27 +0200 From: "Edward Kolakowski" To: Subject: Thick film Message-ID: <00f5d4235051c68ONE@malawi.net> From Ed Kolakowski Agfa film 25 ASA is a superb film. I use it a lot. I have Rolleiflex 2.8f and C220 Mamiya, both of them are fine with this film. Possibly it is just at the beginning of use this film that you have different view. Maybe try different lot from other sources and see if you find better. The results are fantastic using Agfa 25 ASA at least for me. Good luck. 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