hasselblad Tue, 30 Jun 1998 Volume 1 : Number 231 In this issue: Re: YOUR ISN REPORT mount obsolescence economics Re: new hasselblad competitors -Reply Re: hasselblad V1 #230 Re: mount obsolescence economics Re: new hasselblad competitors -Reply Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan -Forwarded Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Re: hasselblad V1 #230 Kill it, kill it dead, kill it again. RE should i trade it for that. Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Re: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Re: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Re: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:42:58 GMT From: buchi@dci.de (Michael Buchstaller) To: george@intlstocknetwork.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: YOUR ISN REPORT Message-ID: <359f7d9a.6669079@mail.dci.de> Please remove me from your list !!! The email address you are sendint this to is buchi@takeonetech.de On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:38:46 +0000, you wrote: >**************************************************** >INTERNATIONAL STOCK NETWORK brings you the latest > news on companies it feels will offer investors upside potential via=20 >the following ISN REPORT. (http://www.intlstocknetwork.com) June 27,=20 >1998 (Released for the opening of trading on June 29) Email the=20 >Editor: George@intlstocknetwork.com=20 >**************************************************** > Copyright (c) 1998 by The International Stock Network, Inc. All=20 >Rights Reserved. > ****************************************************=20 >**************************************************** > If you had purchased stock based on our last two picks at this same=20 >initial stage where we are with Wolf Industries you could have made a=20 > 10.25 times gain (DAWSON SCIENCE CORP. (DWSC) and a 5.83 times gain=20 >(QUILL INDUSTRIES, INC. (QUIL) respectively (a ,000.00 investment=20 >would have equated to $10,250.00 and $5,833.00 respectively). > >THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WOLF INDUSTRIES WILL > PERFORM AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS TWO STOCK PICKS.=20 >THERE ARE MANY FACTORS WHICH COULD CAUSE ONE TO > LOOSE THEIR ENTIRE INVESTMENT. PLEASE READ THE DISCLAIMER > BELOW BEFORE INVESTING.=20 >****************************************************************** > >WOLF INDUSTRIES, INC. (OTCBB:WLFN) is our current stock pick.=20 >Wolf Industries (Wolf) is poised to initiate marketing of its DENTAL=20 >COLOR ANALYZER, the latest in technological developments within the=20 >dental industry. The Dental Color Analyzer (DCA) determines the=20 >shades of translucent dental materials used in replace nt and/or=20 >restorative work, precisely matches shades to the original teeth of=20 >patients and can be adapted to any shade guide the dentist chooses.=20 > >Have you, a friend or family member ever gone to the dentist whereby > restorative dental work was performed? Do you recall that a chart=20 >was used much like a paint chart to match the color of your teeth?=20 >Have you ever seen restorative work done on others where it was=20 >obvious that the color of the restored tooth did not matc Even if the=20 >dentist and you agreed that the color was right--what light did you=20 >make the determination under? In the final result it will make a=20 >difference! Wolf's new DCA takes the guesswork out of the matching=20 >process. It has been noted as the "missing ink" in cosmetic=20 >dentistry. Take this package to your dentist and ask them what they=20 >think? The new DCA is truly about "turning art into science". > >The DCA works very quickly. Within 2 - 3 seconds it displays shade and=20 >guide information regardless of ambient lighting and surrounding=20 >noise.=20 > >There is no other product on the market that fills the niche in the = dental > industry as the Dental Color Analyzer.=20 > >With over 170,000 dentists in the US alone and over 15,000 dental = laboratories,=20 >the market for the DCA is enormous.=20 > >Cosmetic dentistry is on a dramatic rise, especially within the North = American > marketplace. It is expected that by the year 2000 nearly 90% of the=20 >dental industry will specialize in some form of dentistry, the=20 >majority of these specializations will be cosmetically oriented.=20 > >Wolf Industries anticipates sales in excess of $15 Million in the first = year rollout.=20 >That equates to sales to less than 3% of the marketplace. =20 > >Recently Wolf announced that it had signed on two new directors to = enhance > its already noteworthy Board of directors. (See the news release=20 >from Wolf below). > >This week Wolf announced the results of the preview of its Dental Color = Analyzer > at one of the most prestigious International Cosmetic Dentistry=20 >shows. Reviews by the professionals in the industry were impressive,=20 >further lending testimony to the viability and tremendous market=20 >potential for the Company's product. (See the latest new release from=20 >Wolf below). > > International Stock network is excited to see all the=20 >positive developments at Wolf. The Company is poised for rapid=20 >growth; the demand for its product is great; industry reception is=20 >extremely high; and best of all, the management team in place is one=20 >of he best. We hope to bring you additional positive developments=20 >next week as we look for further news from Wolf Industries. =20 > >We have set a price target for Wolf at $3.00 to $5.00 per share.=20 > Price targets may be revised upward as revenue and income generating=20 >contracts are signed by Wolf (Ticker: WLFN) in the near future. =20 > >Below we have provided the latest news releases that Wolf Industries=20 >issued: >************************************************************** > >Company Press Release > >WOLF INDUSTRIES APPOINTS ACKNOWLEDGED WORLD EXPERTS > TO BOARD OF DIRECTORS > >(Seattle, WA - PRNewswire) Patrick McGowan, President and CEO of=20 >Wolf Industries Inc. (OTC BB:WLFN ) is pleased to announce the=20 >appointments of Dr. David Gane and Mr. Ken Liebscher to the Board of=20 >Directors. > >Dr Gane (D.D.S., B. Sc.) is an acknowledged expert on dental imaging > technologies and has maintained a private practice dedicated to=20 >restorative dentistry for the past 17 years. He is a co-founder and=20 >President of Source Dental Image Inc. (1988), a company specializing=20 >in the development and sale of Dental Imaging Softwar He is also=20 >co-founder and Advisor to Image FX Software Solutions (1995), a=20 >company that specializes in the development and sale of Dental=20 >Imaging Software Solutions to dentists and physicians, and was=20 >co-founder and President of Pro-Dentec Canada. He is e author of=20 >numerous publications on Esthetic Dentistry and Dental Imaging, and=20 >acts as consultant to corporations and universities worldwide. > >Mr. Liebscher spent 22 years in senior management positions with > Dentsply International Inc. (NASDAQ: XRAY), the premier manufacturer=20 >of dental products worldwide with sales in excess of US$400 million=20 >annually. In 1990, Mr. Liebscher was recruited by European-based=20 >Ivoclar, a Dental Products Manufacturer with sales i excess of US$300=20 >million annually, to head up their North American sales and=20 >distribution network. > >Dr. Gane's and Mr. Liebscher's experience will be of substantial value > in the development and deployment of a multi-faceted marketing=20 >campaign to ensure maximum penetration of the Dental Color Analyzer=20 >in dental markets throughout the world. > >*************************************************** >LATEST PRESS RELEASE >Thursday June 25, 8:01 am Eastern Time > >COMPANY PRESS RELEASE > >SOURCE: WOLF INDUSTRIES, INC. > >STRONG INDUSTRY SUPPORT FOR NEW COSMETIC >DENTAL TECHNOLOGY AT=20 >INTERNATIONAL DENTISTRY CONFERENCE > >SEATTLE, June 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Wolf Industries Inc. > (OTC Bulletin Board:WLFN - news) is pleased to announce its new=20 >cosmetic dentistry product, The Dental Color Analyzer, received=20 >strong industry support at a recent conference of The American=20 >Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry, this month. The conference is on of=20 >the most prestigious Cosmetic Dentistry shows held annually and=20 >highlights new products and technology with an international=20 >attendance of leaders in the cosmetic dentistry field. Several test=20 >sites throughout North America have also been chosen for the product.=20 > >The Dental Color Analyzer has been developed to assist dentists in > determining accurate and true measurement of shades and colors of=20 >dental materials. To date, the dental industry has relied primarily=20 >on visual interpretation of tooth shades for restorative dental work.=20 >The Dental Color Analyzer (patent pending) uses a unique optical=20 >fiber spectroscopy to determine the exact shade of the original=20 >tooth, resulting in a superior match.=20 > >Industry testimonials regarding the Dental Color Analyzer:=20 > >``When it comes to any cosmetic dental procedure, precision is vital.=20 >The Dental Color Analyzer has bridged the gap between dentist and=20 >laboratory.'' Dr. Kim Sperly, Copenhagen, Denmark.=20 > >``It's about time a technology like this was developed. I think the=20 >product will sell itself.'' Dr. Anthony J. Vocaturo, Bayonne, New=20 >Jersey.=20 > >``This technology is for dentists who want to be at the top end of > the industry - it gives the best possible results, and provides=20 >better communication to lab technicians.'' Todd C. Snyder, Faculty=20 >UCLA Center For Esthetic Dentistry.=20 > >``Matching colors is difficult. There's nothing like it on the market, > and it's easy to use.'' Dr. Jill Wade, Coppell, Texas.=20 > >``The Dental Color Analyzer makes failsafe communication with the > lab to clarify exact chroma and hue of a tooth.'' Dr. Chris Von=20 >Rosenback, Burlington, Ontario.=20 > >Wolf Industries Inc. is a dental technology company with exclusive > worldwide manufacturing and marketing rights to the DCA (Dental=20 >Color Analyzer), a leading edge cosmetic dental technology which uses=20 >fiber-optic spectroscopy.=20 > >SOURCE: Wolf Industries, Inc. > >More Quotes and News: > Wolf Industries Inc (OTC BB:WLFN - news) >Related News Categories: health care, household/consumer > >Below we have provided the link to further information about WOLF:=20 >**************************************************** >http://www.intlstocknetwork.com/main.htm >**************************************************** >For further information on Wolf, please visit the website at > http://www.wolfindustries.com. 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This document may=20 >be quoted, in context, provided that proper credit is given including=20 >the publication Internet address of the publisher. =20 >**************************************************** > >**************************************************** > > > **************************************************** > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. > >This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, = it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. -Michael Buchstaller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:22:47 -0400 From: Peter Klosky To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: mount obsolescence economics Re: new hasselblad competitors -Reply Message-ID: > VHB and HB/USA get little direct profit from the huge used market resale of HB lenses and accessories ... True, but there are several indirect ways they profit, greatly. HB/USA provides service, and they are not cheap. For example, they charged me $347 to fix a sluggish 150C, and a friend $200 to fix a loose PC socket on an 80CF. The high prices on the used market do benefit the new sales, too. People know that new items will "hold their value" on resale. This may be by HB design. i.e. Raise new prices, and used items become more attractive. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Indranath Neogy To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #230 Message-ID: <199806291504.LAA01494@the-tech.mit.edu> ok, i've had enough fun being skewered by bobm's logic ;-) so it's time to raise the signal back over the noise... can anybody reccommend a good, reliable dealer in Hong Kong? or anywhere else with a substantial cost saving over Hass/USA? if you know of one who is amenable to long distance sales by DHL it'd be even better! Indy. -- Indranath Neogy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:11:19 -0700 From: helenadick@earthlink.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: mount obsolescence economics Re: new hasselblad competitors -Reply Message-ID: <3597CAB7.75723CD6@earthlink.net> Peter Klosky wrote: > > > VHB and HB/USA get little direct profit from the huge used market > resale of HB lenses and accessories ... > > True, but there are several indirect ways they profit, greatly. HB/USA > provides service, and they are not cheap. For example, they charged > me $347 to fix a sluggish 150C, and a friend $200 to fix a loose PC > socket on an 80CF. The high prices on the used market do benefit the > new sales, too. People know that new items will "hold their value" on > resale. This may be by HB design. i.e. Raise new prices, and used > items become more attractive. This should tell you that one NEVER and I mean NEVER sends their equipment to Hasselblad for repair unless you want to pay through the nose. There are too many good repair men out there that will do the job faster, they will do the job better, and they will do the job at just a small fraction of the ridiculously high Hasselblad prices. Here is a good example of such a repair man.................. Peter Rosenthal P.R. Camera Repair 111 E. Aspen, #1 Flagstaff, AZ., 86001 (520)779-5263 Give him a try and save some money. He is not a make work outfit like Hasselblad. Hasselblad is like the tire stores your wife may go to. You want a new set of tires. Before you are done, they tell you that you need new brakes, new shocks, etc. This is not fair to anyone-this is just plain robbery Dick. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:20 -0400 From: al To: Subject: Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980629165120.007aec20@idt.net> Whatever genius thought of their current marketing plan should be strung up. Its abosolutely silly to believe people wont find out about the 40% discounts to 60% for mamiya products that are in hong kong. It was quite funny when i was at B&H at the hasselblad desk checking out the 120 macro, which i wholeheartedly intend to buy from hk. :) This nice gentlemen in his 70's i think was looking for an rz and i told him about the discounts in hong kong. He then very quickly went up to the mamiya representative at B&H and turned the man beat red :-) all my fault hehe. He then told me he decided he's going on a vacation to hong kong and will buy it there, the price differential more than paid for not only his airfare but 2 weeks in hk as well. So now which would you do, pay for stinking fliers and getting overwhelmed with these ads that are ruining, have ruined, or will ruin basically every photography magazine out there or take a vacation and save money to boot!!! btw anyone know if gitzo tripods are cheaper in france ? ;-) MY STRONG DOLLAR isnt going into the greedy little hands of any corporation without getting my moneys worth. This is probably one of hte best times to make your dollars work for you in the international martket, once asia really stabilizes and the yen goes upward slowly it will be much less beneficial to buy overseas. Best excuse: Hun i have to save us money so im taking a trip to hk :-) hehe, now tell me that isnt a kicker;-) Best regards Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:22:13 -0700 From: Jim Stewart To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Message-ID: <35980585.D5765A0C@jkmicro.com> al wrote: > > Whatever genius thought of their current marketing plan should be strung > up. Its abosolutely silly to believe people wont find out about the 40% > discounts to 60% for mamiya products that are in hong kong. It was quite > funny when i was at B&H at the hasselblad desk checking out the 120 macro, > which i wholeheartedly intend to buy from hk. :) Let me know what the total price will be, I'm in the market for the same lens. Best Regards, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:32:07 -0600 From: Bob_Maxey@mtn.3com.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan -Forwarded Message-ID: <87256632.00761C0A.00@usslcsmtp.mhz.com> Keep in mind that these products might not carry a warranty. quite often grey market stuff does not. Regardless of if there is a warranty card enclosed or not. If Hasselblad gets a damaged item in for warranty repair, the serial number will tell them which country the item was sold in. Be Careful. RM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:35:13 -0400 From: "LEO WOLK" To: Subject: Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Message-ID: <01bda3ae$2eb82920$2dda430c@fofyplfq> As far as I'm concerned, anyone who stands in a camera store (or any other store for that matter) and tells their potential customers that they should buy the product somewhere else because it's cheaper should be "strung up". Where you choose to spend your money is your business, of course. But you shouldn't penalize B&H by loosing a substantial sale because of Mamiya USA's pricing policy. I think this is rude, unethical, uncalled for, and downright bogue! Leo. -----Original Message----- From: al To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 4:44 PM Subject: Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan >Whatever genius thought of their current marketing plan should be strung >up.... He then told me he decided he's going on a vacation to hong kong and >will buy it there, the price differential more than paid for not only his >airfare but 2 weeks in hk as well > >Best regards > >Al > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. > >This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:26:49 -0400 From: "David Freedman" To: Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #230 Message-ID: <01bda3ad$01c99620$fabf440c@thor> -----Original Message----- From: Indranath Neogy To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 11:04 AM Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #230 > > >can anybody reccommend a good, reliable >dealer in Hong Kong? > I can! Cameron Photo. Mr. Chin is honest and reliable. He's an authorized Leica, Nikon, Hasselblad, etc. dealer. I've mail-ordered Leica R lenses from him. No problem. The shop is located at 16 Lock Rd, Kowloon (just behind the Hyatt Hotel). Give him a call: 011 852 2369-1063. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:48:16 -0400 From: al To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Kill it, kill it dead, kill it again. RE should i trade it for that. Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980629184816.007bb140@idt.net> I figured you would read this if you read that topic :) I tried both in real life, and it made no difference. If your entering photo school rule#1 it aint the camera Rule#2 in aint hte camera Rule#3 refer to rules 1&2 Rule#4 FILM FILM FILM FILM FILM Go buy an nikon f2 and a handheld meter wiht a kmart tripod and see if you can overcome all the problems of 35mm, shaky tripod, and crappy metering. if you can then you dont need anything more, if you cant well then u shouldnt be using a hassy or any other mf camera for that matter. STOP THE GEAR PURSUIT, try the photographic pursuit. Personally when i see a photog with a k1000 and a tripod it makes me feel a hell of a lot better than the idiot with teh seconic l508 spot/flash/ambient meter trying to measure a scene through the spot eye piece while have the damn reading set to ambient and not knowing why all his slides are screwed and blaming the meter. Since he couldnt figure out in bright sunlight with a 50mm lens that the reading shouldnt be f 2.8 at 1/15 of a second. In reality he was metering his own face and hands iwthout knowing it. SO much for reading about the sunny 16 rule i guess. I DIED laughing, when i told another photog that was with me she laughed too, guy thought we were annoying so he moved a further distance away, remetered teh same way and went on with his foolish pursuit. Ill give 3 guesses which camera he was using. Goofball with a 10k outfit shooting like a 3rd grader on crack. I was waiting for him to extend the center column of his tripod all the way up, but he never did. maybe because he was short. Try an experiment, leave all the junk behind, go out one lens, one camera, one meter, and try to do everything you would do with all your gear with you. Get around the difficulties instead of bitching about them. Tripod is shaking, hmm put your bag next to it? fill a plastic bag full of dirt and hang it from the center column? Hmm left your proshade at home, try your using your hand? Try moving in your body so that the sun isnt directly into the lens. No reflector well aww shucks, go use some aluminum foil and a piece of cardboard. Hmm dont have a 100mm lens, move your butt and get closer so that a 50 will do. Dont havea supertrekker camera bag, hmm get a bookbag and some foam and make your own backpack. etc.... Gear has its place its just not in front of everything else including common sense. Hey i love reading the stats etc... but after a while most photogs realize that the damn camera bag is too heavy and they brought unecessary crap with them and are now in a bad mood because they dont feel like walking around with all that gear. DUH. So what would a sane person do,hmm leave some of it behind? Hmm NOPE not the yuppy/nutty/no commonsense photog that NEEDS all his gear to compress his spine, his solution: hire an assistant this way he can look more like a pro and less like a moron. Take a few pieces of equipment, set a goal, create something unique and go on and do a better job next time. My definition of a pro photographer is as follows: An individual who spends more on film and developing in a year than the complete networth of his camera system. Do you fall into this definition? Should you? could you? Anyway so much for that little rant. Nice gear is great, nice photos are much nicer, you can have one without the other, unfortunately the former rather than the latter is usually the case with equipment hounds. Been there, done that, shoulda listened. And above all things, if you have to buy,buy from hong kong and watch us prices plummet, hehe youve noticed the rebates recently havent you? There is so much waste that there is plenty of fat to burn before you get anywhere near a reasonable price that isnt financially raping the american consumer. Im targeting about 1000 per hassy lens, which to me is reasonable. Charging me 1600 for a box of metal which has very little in it other than a gear crank for film, is outrageous. And dont talk to me about oooh its a precision instrument, thats a lot of bunk when they charge you 15 dollars for a plastic rear body cap which they dont even include in teh damn kit! Its a ripoff and we know it, blind love for gear and photography tends to overtake a lot of us, including me at times. If apcam can make a winder for the 500c and 501cm series why cant hassy? Hmm maybe to force you to buy into another body, etc.... First the mystique must be killed, then the rest will fall. If mamiya and fuji are smart they will concentrate on (1) size for the rz which is a monster (2) Killing the hassy mystique (which is really underserved when you compare it to modern day comparable lenses (3) rollei gets a clue 5000 lenses wont sell that much :) i get ttl with a stinkin n70 and i dont with a hassy for under god knows how many thousands of dollars. grrrr. I shoulda bought a cannon elph. Good luck al At 06:27 PM 6/29/98 GMT, you wrote: > >I bought the 501CM kit before I knew that there was a difference in optic quality of the CB and the CF 80mm lens. I found a place that would take my CB and the extra A12 I got from hasselblad during the promotion in trade for a used CF with perfect glass. Does that sound like a good idea? I am getting ready for photography school this fall and I dont think a extra film back will be needed but the quality of the CF might be. Any oppinion would be appreciated. > >--------- > >To post a response, come back to the forum at > >http://db.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=Medium%20Format%20Digest > >(which is also the place to go if you want to edit your alerts and >stop these robotically sent messages) > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:03:33 -0400 From: Bill Barton To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: HASSY's Insane Pricing Plan Message-ID: <35982B55.3E72@bellatlantic.net> Hi, I remember way back in 1969-71 when I was in Viet-Nam that the price for a 500C was just about the same in HK as it was in the US, $515.00 with 80mm lens and A-12 back. Also the Leica M-4 was about the same price also, how times change, that was when the $1.00==360 Yen or 4 D marks. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:49:27 -0400 From: camera@mailer.isn.net (Lionel F. Stevenson) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Message-ID: Hi, Bob, What if someone were to organize a batch purchase of lenses from somewhere where they are cheaper, and pass the savings on to the photographers? Perhaps some US dealer would like to match the price. There's a great story about a town in Newfoundland, where the gas stations were scalping the populace. They held a town meeting, and everyone agreed to buy their gas from one station. Soon the other stations dropped their prices, and the station where everyone shopped had to drop their price to compete. The people knew that as long as their station kept pace with the price reductions, they benefitted most by sticking with that station. The price of gas came down to the lowest it could be, given that the station had to stay in business. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:55:46 -0600 From: Bob_Maxey@mtn.3com.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Message-ID: <87256633.0004D2DA.00@usslcsmtp.mhz.com> Perhaps, if the equipment came with a full U.S. Warranty, not always the case if equipment is imported. And also, what about the import taxes, the duty and shipping? All must be factored in. Finally, do not believe that the dealer is getting rich. I worked for a photographic firm here in Salt Lake city, from 1974 to 1985, and I know how these things work. RM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:15:42 EDT From: To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Message-ID: Just bought a 903SWC and there were NO taxes nor duty. Just FedEx shipping for overnight delivery. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:18:32 EDT From: To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Message-ID: <7ee531ed.35985909@aol.com> Check out the Grand Cayman ad in Shutterbug. Lady is super nice there and you may either pick it up when visiting the island or have it shipped FedEx overnight. No taxes nor duty. Just bought a 903SWC from there. Get new merchandise at better prices than on the used market here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:19:45 -0500 From: "N.Sekha" To: Subject: Hey, BobM, Whattaya think? Message-ID: <001d01bda3d5$ee0d1c00$24fdc2d0@beethoven.buycomputer.com> Just bought a 903SWC and there were NO taxes nor duty. Just FedEx shipping for overnight delivery. How much did you pay for it and where did you get it from? ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #231 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates.