hasselblad Wed, 24 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 49 In this issue: EL motors RE:Image scanning question Re: EL motors Re: EL motors Re: EL motors Re: Best film for color portraits Re: EL motors -Forwarded Re: EL motors Re: Re: EL motors Re: Re: EL motors Re: EL motors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:37:32 -0900 From: Tom Kline To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: EL motors Message-ID: HUGers: This was posted on the U/W photo list =46YI, Tom Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:51:52 -0500 =46rom: "Geoffrey N. Semorile" Subject: Who made it? To: "INTERNET:uw-photo@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: uw-photo-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: uw-photo@world.std.com >Message text written by INTERNET:uw-photo@world.std.com >By the way, does everybody know that several of Canon's lenses are manufactured by Tamron? So are some of Nikon's and quite a few other big players such as Sony go to Tamron for lenses. They are as far as I know the worlds largest maker of lenses. Exactly who and what they make for them for is a closely guarded secret. They are making the newer optics for Bronica as Tamron now owns Bronica. It is very common for many of these large companies to use original equipment manufactures or subcontractors to produce all or part of their equipment in many cases. The name on the product often has little to do with who actually made it. Hasselblad at one time used a $7.00 toy motor to drive the motorized ELM.=20 They were not charging $7.00, if you bought the motor from them. The $7.00 is what I paid full retail at a toy store. So at point of manufacture we are probably talking a $1.00 motor. The name of the company that made this motor was stamped clearly on both motors and they were identical. The only reason I stumbled on this was at the time Hasselblad had stop selling this motor that went in the older version of the ELM. It required making extensive, costly and time consuming modifications to the current motor they were selling to get it to fit in the older ELM utilizing some parts from the old and new motors. Instead I trotted down to the local hobby store. The hobby store motor dropped right in no modification needed. The photo industry is probably one of the more overpriced industries there is. Take the same dollar in electronics or computers and you get a whole lot more bang for buck spent in product obtained. I am sure I will be verbally pillared by someone for this statement of heresy, as I earn my living in the photo industry. This kind of supply side economic price inflation is not by any means limited to the photo industry. Best regards, geoff/camera tech 2308 Taraval at 33rd Ave. S.F.,CA 94116 USA UNDERWATER PHOTO/VIDEO SALES-REPAIRS-RENTALS (415)242-1700 Fax (415)242-1719 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:52:42 -0500 From: Ed Berger To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE:Image scanning question Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971223155241.00b29858@his.com> At 07:08 AM 12/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >It is an Artec SCANROM 4E. It is specifically designed for slides and >photographs, being only capable of 4" by 6" originals. It is part >number 87087 in the PC Mall catalog Volume 43S. The best part is it has >been reduced in price to only $110. It connects to a parallel port. > Ive got one of the Artecs (hint, you can get them *really* cheap at www.surplusauction.com) and it does an ok job of trans and proof prints - the true optical is only 100-200dpi if memory serves; the manual is floating around the office somewhere and refuses to return on command. The best thing about it is the size and weight - its tiny and weighs nothing. So if you wanna do web sites on the road (shoot 4x5 Polaroids or really any other instant/1 hour stuff), scan them in and rapidly develop a site for client approval its the cats meow. Easier than a digital camera 'cause you can use all that fancy photo gear weve all accumulated over the years. You can in fact scan 4x6 positives which is the reason I bought it - this way I can catalog my 4x5 trans very easily and make images available to clients for approval at practically no cost. Once they select an image I dupe it and Fed Ex it out. Now, I wouldnt use it for anything much more than web sites and email 'cause of the res problem - but then why put a hi res image on the web at all? Regards, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:42:16 -0600 From: Lew To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: EL motors Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971223154216.0082f170@visi.com> At 11:37 AM 12/23/97 -0900, Tom Kline wrote: >The photo industry is probably one of the more overpriced industries there >is. Take the same dollar in electronics or computers and you get a whole >lot more bang for buck spent in product obtained. I am sure I will be >verbally pillared by someone for this statement of heresy, as I earn my >living in the photo industry. This kind of supply side economic price >inflation is not by any means limited to the photo industry. A very true statement. The photo industry seems to float at a level above other commodities. At least when it comes to the professional equipment. There is far more competition and consumer oriented pricing at the lower levels, i.e. giveaway Polariods so you will buy film. Reminds me of when I bought a new house and needed light fixtures. I never saw a little wood, faux brass, or glass cost so much...talk about sticker shock. ************************************ *Lew * *Vividere * *Photography For All Reasons * *Models For All Season * ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:59:11 -0500 From: "LEO WOLK" To: , Subject: Re: EL motors Message-ID: <01bd0fee$00544e00$df93430c@fofyplfq> Tom, Thanks for the tip, I guess there really is "nothing new under the sun". Anyone who has bought parts for a european car (i.e. BMW, SAAB) has run into this same thing. It's not unusual to get a part in a Bosch box with the car company's parts sticker just stuck on! This is particularly aggravating when you could have purchased the same Bosch part at a significant discount, and they didn't even bother to put it in a different box! I guess this is ultimately a case of supply and demand. If the demand is great enough (either for Hassy replacement motors or car parts) somebody will create a supply. In a case like this it's nice to get the tip, because it's unlikely that there is ever going to be a great aftermarket created for ELM replacement motors. Leo. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Kline To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 3:36 PM Subject: EL motors Hasselblad at one time used a $7.00 toy motor to drive the motorized ELM. They were not charging $7.00, if you bought the motor from them. The $7.00 is what I paid full retail at a toy store. So at point of manufacture we are probably talking a $1.00 motor. The name of the company that made this motor was stamped clearly on both motors and they were identical. The only reason I stumbled on this was at the time Hasselblad had stop selling this motor that went in the older version of the ELM. It required making extensive, costly and time consuming modifications to the current motor they were selling to get it to fit in the older ELM utilizing some parts from the old and new motors. Instead I trotted down to the local hobby store. The hobby store motor dropped right in no modification needed. geoff/camera tech ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:11:55 -0900 From: Tom Kline To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: EL motors Message-ID: >At 11:37 AM 12/23/97 -0900, Tom Kline wrote: >>The photo industry is probably one of the more overpriced industries there >>is. Take the same dollar in electronics or computers and you get a whole >>lot more bang for buck spent in product obtained. I am sure I will be >>verbally pillared by someone for this statement of heresy, as I earn my >>living in the photo industry. This kind of supply side economic price >>inflation is not by any means limited to the photo industry. > >A very true statement. The photo industry seems to float at a level above >other commodities. At least when it comes to the professional equipment. >There is far more competition and consumer oriented pricing at the lower >levels, i.e. giveaway Polariods so you will buy film. > >Reminds me of when I bought a new house and needed light fixtures. I never >saw a little wood, faux brass, or glass cost so much...talk about sticker >shock. >************************************ >*Lew * >*Vividere * >*Photography For All Reasons * >*Models For All Season * >************************************ Actually, I did not write the above as it was a forwarded message from= another group. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:21:40 +0200 From: Yaakov Asher Sinclair To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Best film for color portraits Message-ID: <34A03974.4340@actcom.co.il> Thanks a lot for your help, best wishes, Lew wrote: > > At 07:58 PM 12/20/97 +0200, Yaakov Asher Sinclair wrote: > >Having not picked up a camera in earnest in some twenty-five years, > >I loaded up some Velvia and found it very contrasty for portraits. > >Also quite florid. > >I would be obliged to hear members' advice on color transparency film > >for portraits and the characteristics of different types. > >Thanks in advance > >Yaakov Asher Sinclair > > I don't have a technical or empirical reason for choosing them, but I try > to make life in the studio simple: > > I do my lighting test shots with Polaroid Polacolor Pro100 Type 679, then > if I am shooting 35mm I shoot Pro100 (PRN) and the same with 120, I get > Pro100 (PRN). When proofing I can move between the 35mm and the 120 with > no enlarger changes and get pretty good consistency. > > If I am not using strobe inside or if working outside I move to other Kodak > or Fuji films. > *********************************** > *Lew * > *Vividere Photography and Modeling* > * * > *Photography For All Reasons * > *Models For All Season * > *********************************** -- Yaakov Asher Sinclair - 4 Yehoyariv Street, Jerusalem, Israel Phone: 972-2-581-2556; Fax: 972-2-532-7162 mailto:sinclair@actcom.co.il; ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:50:34 -0700 From: Bob_Maxey@mtn.3com.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: EL motors -Forwarded Message-ID: <07256576.007D2F52.00@usslcsmtp.mhz.com> From: Tom Kline To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 3:36 PM Subject: EL motors >>Hasselblad at one time used a $7.00 toy motor to drive the motorized ELM. They were not charging $7.00, if you bought the motor from them. The $7.00 is what I paid full retail at a toy store. So what is your point? My EL is one of the first built and the motor is still going strong. so it is an inexpensive one. As a designer, I will use whatever part suits the project. Be it a $1.00 part or a $100.00 dollar part. Seems to me that the product components do exactly what they need to do. RM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:11:39 -0800 From: "Tom Clark" To: "LEO WOLK" , , Subject: Re: EL motors Message-ID: <199712240215.SAA11244@m6.sprynet.com> Did you ever get a prescription from a doctor filled, and find that the pharmacist simply pasted his own label over the popular brand name product stocked on the shelves? Tom Clark ---------- > From: LEO WOLK > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net; tkline@grizzly.pwssc.gen.ak.us > Subject: Re: EL motors > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 1:59 PM > > Tom, > Thanks for the tip, I guess there really is "nothing new under the sun". > Anyone who has bought parts for a european car (i.e. BMW, SAAB) has run into > this same thing. It's not unusual to get a part in a Bosch box with the car > company's parts sticker just stuck on! This is particularly aggravating > when you could have purchased the same Bosch part at a significant discount, > and they didn't even bother to put it in a different box! > > I guess this is ultimately a case of supply and demand. If the demand is > great enough (either for Hassy replacement motors or car parts) somebody > will create a supply. In a case like this it's nice to get the tip, because > it's unlikely that there is ever going to be a great aftermarket created for > ELM replacement motors. > > Leo. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Kline > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 3:36 PM > Subject: EL motors > > > Hasselblad at one time used a $7.00 toy motor to drive the motorized ELM. > They were not charging $7.00, if you bought the motor from them. The $7.00 > is what I paid full retail at a toy store. So at point of manufacture we > are probably talking a $1.00 motor. The name of the company that made this > motor was stamped clearly on both motors and they were identical. The only > reason I stumbled on this was at the time Hasselblad had stop selling this > motor that went in the older version of the ELM. It required making > extensive, costly and time consuming modifications to the current motor > they were selling to get it to fit in the older ELM utilizing some parts > from the old and new motors. Instead I trotted down to the local hobby > store. The hobby store motor dropped right in no modification needed. > > > geoff/camera tech > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: RBucha7924@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, bigleo@worldnet.att.net, tkline@grizzly.pwssc.gen.ak.us Subject: Re: Re: EL motors Message-ID: <971223224325_1319012085@mrin54> Well great! :( I just had to replace the motor in my ELM. I wish I could have done that for $7! I'm guessing the ELM motor is not the same as the EL. Have some good news for EL & ELM owners. An adapter is available that will allow the EL, ELM to be run on a single AA battery. It is good for about 1200 exposures, then buy a new battery (65 cents). The adapter is $39.95 & includes a battery. Add $3 for priority mail. I got this information and address off the net, and have not purchased an adapter for myself. If you decide to buy or investigate further, pls post here for the rest of us. The address is: helenadick@worldnet.att.net -Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 23:48:53 -0500 From: "LEO WOLK" To: , , Subject: Re: Re: EL motors Message-ID: <01bd1027$3c734c40$3994430c@fofyplfq> I haven't tried this adapter, but I can tell you I've delt with these folks, and have found them honest and reliable. If you enquire, I'm sure they'll also subscribe you to their extensive (if a little pricy, in my opinion) e-mail list of Hassy items for sale. Leo. -----Original Message----- From: RBucha7924@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net ; bigleo@worldnet.att.net ; tkline@grizzly.pwssc.gen.ak.us Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Re: EL motors > >An adapter is available that will allow the EL, ELM to >be run on a single AA battery. It is good for about 1200 >exposures, then buy a new battery (65 cents). The >adapter is $39.95 & includes a battery. Add $3 for >priority mail. I got this information and address >off the net, and have not purchased an adapter for myself. >If you decide to buy or investigate further, pls post here for the rest of >us. The address is: helenadick@worldnet.att.net > >-Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:08:48 -0800 From: Ron To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: EL motors Message-ID: <34A0A6F0.7CA6@ix.netcom.com> I have also dealt with them---they provided exactly what they said they would--no complications--if you are looking for Hassy "stuff" I would suggest looking there first. No-I don't gain anything from posting--just a tip for anyone looking for equipment. helenadick@worldnet.att.net Ron ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #49 ************************