hasselblad Sun, 19 Mar 2000 Volume 1 : Number 819 In this issue: Kiev Question Re: Kiev Question Re: Kiev Question Re: Kiev Question Re: Kiev Question Re: Kiev Question Re: Kiev Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:14:01 EST From: Gdoces@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Kiev Question Message-ID: <7d.268faa5.26054b99@aol.com> Anyone on this board have any personal experience with the new Kiev 88 bodies with the cloth shutter curtain? Some question regarding their 30mm fisheye lens version of the F-Distagon. OR can someone direct me to a Kiev newsgroup or board. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:29:11 +0000 From: "Jack L. Casner" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev Question Message-ID: <38D3A0C7.AB9CE51D@earthlink.net> There is a KIEV chat group on Delphi. 88 owners seem awfully defensive. I have never personally known anyone with a good KIEV 88 of any vintage. There are several persons on the Rollei list who say they have good ones. If you do get one, I believe you might want to get it with a KIEV 60 type mount. I also think you might be better off with a 60 than an 88. KIEV lenses for 88 are optically identical to those for 60s As for the lens, it seems highly regarded by professionals and amateurs alike. Good Luck, Jack L. Casner Kansas City, Missouri Gdoces@aol.com wrote: > Anyone on this board have any personal experience with the new Kiev 88 bodies > with the cloth shutter curtain? Some question regarding their 30mm fisheye > lens version of the F-Distagon. OR can someone direct me to a Kiev newsgroup > or board. > Thanks > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:07:18 -0500 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev Question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000318180718.0095d2f0@roanoke.infi.net> At 03:29 PM 3/18/2000 +0000, Jack L. Casner wrote: > >I have never personally known anyone with a good KIEV 88 of any vintage. Well, we've never met 'personally', but I have had several fine Kiev-88's. In fact, of the several I've owned, all have been wonderful cameras in every regard, bullet-proof and trouble-free. I still have one which I use occasionally. And I do use a Kiev prism on my 2000FCM. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Kovacs To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev Question Message-ID: Hi, I have a Kiev 88. I like it because it is inexpensive and I love the 30mm Arsat lens. It's a wonderful lens and under $200.00. As far as the camera goes. You can get one inexpensively through a couple of ebay dealers that usually give 60 day returns on the camera. If it doesn't work, you exchange it. I got a used body and had it upgraded by Kiev USA. They basically bring it up to standards and warranty the work for a year. The camera came back a new camera. Here are some of the common problems: 1/1000 and 1/500 are not reliable, especially with cloth shutters. New style back are easier to load, but suffer from a weak light trap. You can fix it. I did an not longer a problem, but I always check. The older backs are similar to the 12 back. Users forget to advance the film before setting the speed. This can "lock" the camera up. I have a habit of advancing the film right after taking the picture, thus no slip ups. Since upgrading my Kiev 88 I had on problem with the shutter. I returned it and it was promptly repaired and sent back. It however is no Hasselblad. I just got a used 500 c/m and love it, but it's also expensive. With that price, it's reliable. A kiev 88 is NOT a pro camera and will not keep up with the demands of a professional studio. The quality is inconsistant. Check out the ShutterBug articles, Kiev Connection (jan/feb/mar). If you don't need exchangable backs, the Kiev 60 with mirror lockup is a better choice. It also has the pentagon 6 lens mounts. (These are available on Kiev 88 upgrades, but adds to the cost.) I did a shoot off between my Kiev 88 and 500 w/ T* lens. The shots were so close in sharpness, if I mixed up the pictures, it would be hard to tell; I was very surpised. The Arsat 30mm is available in both the K88 standard mount and P6 mounts. Bottom line is the bodies are quarky with special care regarding shutter speed setting, lenses are very good and inexpensive! If you get a good camera, it should last for years. For a complete kit, 80mm/2 backs/ttl prism/ standard body/ and 30 mm arsat lens well below the cost of a new Hasselblad kit. Check out the group on Delphi.com. There is also another group on onelist. Hope this helps, -chris On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 Gdoces@aol.com wrote: > Anyone on this board have any personal experience with the new Kiev 88 bodies > with the cloth shutter curtain? Some question regarding their 30mm fisheye > lens version of the F-Distagon. OR can someone direct me to a Kiev newsgroup > or board. > Thanks > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:24:36 -0500 From: JR Harford To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev Question Message-ID: <4.1.20000318212341.0097ee00@mail> Just this week I picked up a Kiev TTL meter prism on ebay to stick on my 500cm. It was the right price and will do the trick. The meter seems a few stops off but I think I can compensate for that. For all I know some fresh batteries may also rectify that. Take Care, John John R. Harford jrvh@home.com Art and Writing: http://www.newhighways.com MP3.com Poetry: http://www.mp3.com/JRHarford ---- "This moment is all, you have it there. This moment hangs like your ragged hair." - Fields of the Nephilim, Celebrate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:50:50 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Kovacs To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev Question Message-ID: Hi John, Usually there off 1 or 2 stops. To Calibrate, use a good meter and take a measured reading ( I use a grey card outside); this is your base reading. Then set the prism to it's indicated settings (two leds toggling or lit together) against the same object. Loosen the three outer dial screws until loose. Rotate the outter dial to match the correct settings from the calibrated meter then retighten the outter dial screws. Recheck. The scews have some glue on them but they will be fine just use a good screw driver set that matches the set screws. I find that the prism is abit dark and still prefer the wastlevel finder for composition. -chris On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, JR Harford wrote: > Just this week I picked up a Kiev TTL meter prism on ebay to stick on my > 500cm. It was the right price and will do the trick. The meter seems a > few stops off but I think I can compensate for that. For all I know some > fresh batteries may also rectify that. > > Take Care, > John > > > John R. Harford > jrvh@home.com > Art and Writing: http://www.newhighways.com > MP3.com Poetry: http://www.mp3.com/JRHarford > > ---- > "This moment is all, you have it there. > This moment hangs like your ragged hair." > - Fields of the Nephilim, Celebrate > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:23:29 +0000 From: "Jack L. Casner" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Kiev Question Message-ID: <38D3F3D1.18D5E032@earthlink.net> Hi, Marc! You've had better luck with these than anyone else I've ever heard about. I did take your advice and sent my 60 to Eddie Smoloff. I haven';t heard anything yet, but I'm hoping for good results. Actually, it wasn't all that bad a camera and I do love the lenses I have. By the way, did you catch that post Isent out about a Rollei problem I had yesterday? The shutter button was pretty stiff on the first shot and I fired it with a hard push. After that the film would not wind. The handle would only turn backwards. After I opened the camera and re locked it, everything was fine. This was my old circa 1953 Automat. Have you ever heard of this problem? Best, Jack Casner Marc James Small wrote: Well, we've never met 'personally', but I have had several fine Kiev-88's. ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #819 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. 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