hasselblad Wed, 4 Feb 1998 Volume 1 : Number 90 In this issue: Double Exposures Light Leaks Re: Double Exposures Re: Double Exposures Re: Double Exposures Wonderful Images Re: Light Leaks Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Re: Double Exposures Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Re: Double Exposures Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Re: Double Exposures Re: Double Exposures Re: Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Re: SWC or 40 mm Distagon ? Re: SWC or 40 mm Distagon ? Re: Light Leaks Wide Angle distortion Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL" To: hasselblad Subject: Double Exposures Message-ID: <34D75D9A@cdigate.cdi.marconi.ca> Is it possible to make double exposures using my 500C/M, 80C and 12 back? If so, how? Are there any books or manuals available for my gear, that would be a help? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL" To: hasselblad Subject: Light Leaks Message-ID: <34D76033@cdigate.cdi.marconi.ca> There was some concern in the group recently about light leaks. After reading the list, looking at some backs and speaking to a local dealer and another fellow who has used Hasselblad for decades, it looks like the big problem is the area where the dark slide enters the back. There is another seal where the insert fits into the back, but this one does not look to be as critical, as there is not a direct path to the film. It is pretty easy to tell if the dark slide seal is bad. Start with an unloaded back. With the insert installed and dark slide out, hold the back between your eyes and a light, and look for light coming through the dark slide area. It helps to use the dark slide or a ruler held against the back to shield extra light. There were two used A12 backs at the dealers; both were bad. Myself, I think I'll get a new A24 with three year warranty. A decent used A24 sells for nearly as much as a new one, anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:09:00 -0500 From: Joe McCary To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Double Exposures Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980203150900.00bd474c@pop.erols.com> Double exposure on a Hasselblad 500 C is perhaps the worst "feature." To make a double exposure make the first exposure, DO NOT ADVVANCE THE FILM. Re-insert the dark slide. Remove the back, being careful not to move the advance crank. Small note, the small white//red dot should be on RED. With the film back removed, cock the shutter, the small dot on the body will not be WHITE. Atttach the film back. Remove the dark slide. Make the second exposure. Advance the film (or repeat for additonal multiple exposures. As for an instruction book, the Wildi GHasselblad Manual is the best "afttermarket" book available. It coveres all the different functions and settings for all the models. Joe McCary At 09:52 AM 2/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Is it possible to make double exposures using my 500C/M, 80C and 12 back? > If so, how? Are there any books or manuals available for my gear, that >would be a help? >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. > >This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > Joe McCary Photo Response http://www.erols.com/mccary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:08:09 -0500 From: "Eugene A. Pallat" To: Subject: Re: Double Exposures Message-ID: <199802031611.LAA05245@junior.apk.net> > From: Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL > Is it possible to make double exposures using my 500C/M, 80C and 12 back? > If so, how? Are there any books or manuals available for my gear, that > would be a help? After taking the first exposure, remove the back. Then, wind the film advance crank, replace the back, and take the second exposure on the same frame of film. Gene Pallat eapallat@oriondata.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:41:24 -0500 From: Tom Campbell To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Double Exposures Message-ID: <34D748B4.1B2@bellsouth.net> Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL wrote: > > Is it possible to make double exposures using my 500C/M, 80C and 12 back? Peter As long as absolutely precise registration isn't critical, just expose #1, insert slide and remove back, cock shutter and replace back, withdraw slide and expose #2. If you have overlapping images, you'll have to make exposure compensation; if not (eg, all those "silhouette" double portraits), expose normally. For most purposes, this is close enough. The tolerances on the 'blad are pretty tight. Tom Campbell tcphoto@bellsouth.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:46 -0800 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Cc: Subject: Wonderful Images Message-ID: <19980203164540.AAA7082@default> The images I believe were taken with a Hasselblad, but they are beautiful, haunting, and ethereal. Take a look............ http://www.lenswork.com Go to the section in the Gallery, pectures from Borges, Tibetan Portraits... Simply wonderful! Thank You Remove "ZZ" form auto reply address or please reply to address below: Frank Filippone red735i@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:53:00 -0500 From: Tom Campbell To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Light Leaks Message-ID: <34D74B6C.5F7C@bellsouth.net> This happened to one back (after nearly 20 years use, with the slide carried naked in various pockets, a testament to the blad's durability). If this happens, replace the dark slide when you have the trap repaired. When I repaired the back, the dark slide tore the trap again. Careful examination showed it to be slightly bent. Fortunately, since they didn't tell me the slide was bad, they re-repaired under warranty, but you may not be as lucky. Tom Campbell tcphoto@bellsouth.net Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL wrote: > > There was some concern in the group recently about light leaks. After > reading the list, looking at some backs and speaking to a local dealer and > another fellow who has used Hasselblad for decades, it looks like the big > problem is the area where the dark slide enters the back. There is another > seal where the insert fits into the back, but this one does not look to be > as critical, as there is not a direct path to the film. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:57:57 -0500 From: "Murray E. Milligan" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Message-ID: <34D73E84.790C@ibm.net> Anyone using the above on a regular basis, care to share their thoughts about this particular unit. Do they like a 90 degree pentaprism vs a 45 degree version? Is the metering accurate for their needs? Can they manipulate the camera, assuming like the rest of us unwashed masses, they're using a manual Hassie? I have an opportunity to purchase one, don't know if I want to move away from my WLF....the extra weight of carrying the 3+ pounds around....? Soooo....let'r rip.... -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:11:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL" To: hasselblad Subject: Re: Double Exposures Message-ID: <34D77E19@cdigate.cdi.marconi.ca> Thanks everyone for the excellent responses about double exposures. There is excellent knowledge and experience among this group. It looks like it is VERY easy to make double exposures. So easy, it must be possible to make UNINTENDED ones when making polaroids between frames on a film back. I'll have to remember to turn the knob on the body after every shot that is a single exposure. In practice, I have found that when I shoot a polaroid, I forget to wind, then waste a frame when I put the film back on. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:01:44 -0800 From: The Barkers To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Message-ID: >Anyone using the above on a regular basis, care to share their thoughts >about this particular unit. >Do they like a 90 degree pentaprism vs a 45 degree version? Is the >metering accurate for their needs? Can they manipulate the camera, >assuming like the rest of us unwashed masses, they're using a manual >Hassie? ----------------------------- Just a note on a related item. I just bought and quickly returned a new PM-90 finder. Near the center there was an overlap of images, something like trying to see between the lines of bifocal glasses. Disturbing to realize that no one at the factory even looked through that turkey. For shame ye gods at Hasselblad! Others I've seen were just fine. I like viewing through the camera on the same axis as I'm seeing (I'm a 35mm shooter using a blad for commercial affairs.) but its not conveniant to hold unless you adorn the camera with a pistol or hand grip, making all bigger and heavier. just my little ripping - Jim James H. Barker (Jim) - jbarker@polarnet.com High Latitude Documentary / Ethnographic Photography Fairbanks, Alaska ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:53:27 -0600 From: Tim Schooler To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980203135327.0089c210@postoffice.att.net> subscribe Regards, Timothy Schooler Perspectives Photography Member CPS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:55:03 +0100 From: Stefan Ohlsson To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Double Exposures Message-ID: >Is it possible to make double exposures using my 500C/M, 80C and 12 back? > If so, how? Are there any books or manuals available for my gear, that >would be a help? After the first exposure, take off the mag and rewind the camera, replace the mag and expose. Of course you will need a good tripod to do this. Stefan Ohlsson ******************************************************************* Stefan Ohlsson Head of Department School of Photography and Film G=F6teborg University Konstepidemins v=E4g 2A SE-413 14 G=F6teborg SWEDEN phone: +46 - 31 773 18 32 cellular: +46 - 70 584 52 59 fax: +46 - 31 773 18 37 WWW: http://www.foto.gu.se ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:08:24 EST From: Anonpsych@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Message-ID: <263e0149.34d7874a@aol.com> Murray, I had a PME-90 prism but sold it because I found it awkward to use. I'm used to having a spot meter - and a 12 degree spot is too large for my uses. The 90 degree part was acceptable, although I prefer the 45 degree prisms. Just my opinion. -Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:00:44 -0800 From: "Todd Campbell" To: Subject: Re: Double Exposures Message-ID: <19980204010557.AAA23124@laurshelley> Peter, I believe you need to remove the back, wind the shutter and then put the back on for multi-exposures. I don't think the body will take multis w/o removing the back. Todd Campbell Pacific InnoVision ---------- > From: Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL > To: hasselblad > Subject: Double Exposures > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 9:52 AM > > > Is it possible to make double exposures using my 500C/M, 80C and 12 back? > If so, how? Are there any books or manuals available for my gear, that > would be a help? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. > > This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:06:47 -0800 From: "Todd Campbell" To: Subject: Re: Double Exposures Message-ID: <19980204011200.AAA29086@laurshelley> Eugene, I think you meant to say that one cocks the shutter with the crank, but NOT the film advance crank. Todd Campbell Pacific InnoVision ---------- > From: Eugene A. Pallat > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: Double Exposures > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 8:08 AM > > > From: Klosky, Peter - MS MAIL > > > Is it possible to make double exposures using my 500C/M, 80C and 12 back? > > > If so, how? Are there any books or manuals available for my gear, that > > would be a help? > > After taking the first exposure, remove the back. Then, wind the film > advance crank, replace the back, and take the second exposure on the same > frame of film. > > Gene Pallat > > eapallat@oriondata.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. > > This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:10:03 EST From: RBucha7924@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Message-ID: <545d5ca1.34d7bfed@aol.com> I prefer the 90 degree prism and am using the HC-3 right now. Any other thoughts on the PM90? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 20:46:47 EST From: Michael Heal To: ericarm@cal.alumni.berkeley.edu, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: SWC or 40 mm Distagon ? Message-ID: <9802040146.AA16538@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca> Eric wrote: > I just recently sold off my 40mm Distagon C in favor of a SWC.=20 > Fortunately, I was able to sell my 40 for almost what the SWC cost me. > I did this because 1) the 40 was too heavy, 2) the images suffered from > too much distortion at the edges, 3) the 40 was not T*, and 4) it was > nearly impossible to find Bay 104 filters. As far as I could determine, a > proshade (and gel filters) was not an option for this 104 mm mount. I believe you're refering to the original Distagon, rather than the newer 40 CF FLE lens???? I'm interested whether you considered the newer FLE version? How does it compare to the (legendary) Biogon 38 mm in practice? (Quality/distortion). If I ever save up enough money, I'd like one of these lenses. I'm torn between the quality of the Biogon and the ability to see the image on the focusing screen with the 40 FLE. Others have cautioned me against the 40mm because of lower image quality and the reasons you cite. The FLE is supposed to be sharper, smaller, and lighter. Does your recommendation still hold? Perhaps you considered the newer lens at the time you traded? Thanks, [Another] Michael. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Armstrong To: Michael Heal Cc: hasselblad list Subject: Re: SWC or 40 mm Distagon ? Message-ID: Hi Michael - > > I believe you're refering to the original Distagon, rather than the > newer 40 CF FLE lens???? yes. > > I'm interested whether you considered the newer FLE version? How does > it compare to the (legendary) Biogon 38 mm in practice? > (Quality/distortion). I may have considered it briefly, but the fact is my amateur/sometime pro budget doesn't allow for any of the newer lenses. The superwide I just traded for is a 1968 model -- as old as I am! > > If I ever save up enough money, I'd like one of these lenses. I'm > torn between the quality of the Biogon and the ability to see the > image on the focusing screen with the 40 FLE. I have rented a new(er) 40mm T* CF lens, with the 93mm front end. While smaller and a little lighter than the old 40C, the images still suffered from significant distortion at the edges. hope this helps... ;} -Eric > > Others have cautioned me against the 40mm because of lower image > quality and the reasons you cite. The FLE is supposed to be > sharper, smaller, and lighter. Does your recommendation still hold? > Perhaps you considered the newer lens at the time you traded? > > Thanks, > > [Another] Michael. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Armstrong e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:10:01 -0800 From: Ron To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Light Leaks Message-ID: <34D7F829.28F4@ix.netcom.com> Repairs are quick and not that expensive(certainly not as expensive as a new back)-and they work-why buy a new back? Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:10:28 -0800 From: The Barkers To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Wide Angle distortion Message-ID: Since there has been some discussion about SWC and 40mm with some comments about distortion visible with the 40mm - I have a question about that distortion. If I have it correctly, real distortion is like pincussion or barrel distortion where straight lines are bent. Otherwise, all wide angle lenses have "apparent distortion" which is a matter of viewing distance. Fat heads in the corner of the frame are apparent distortions, not real distortions. My question is, what kind of distortions have you observed with the 40mm? I've been pondering down the line perhaps getting a 40mm. Thanks for any inputs Jim James H. Barker (Jim) - jbarker@polarnet.com High Latitude Documentary / Ethnographic Photography Fairbanks, Alaska ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:41:53 From: Chris LI To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Thoughts on the PME-90 prism Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980204154153.5727b290@is1.hk.super.net> At 10:57 AM 03/02/98 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone using the above on a regular basis, care to share their thoughts >about this particular unit. >Do they like a 90 degree pentaprism vs a 45 degree version? Is the >metering accurate for their needs? Can they manipulate the camera, >assuming like the rest of us unwashed masses, they're using a manual >Hassie? > >I have an opportunity to purchase one, don't know if I want to move away >from my WLF....the extra weight of carrying the 3+ pounds around....? > I have a PME90. In my opinion, the merits of PME90 is the various metering modes and ways to monitor and display exposure information. The viewfinder itself however is big and heavy. Its 2x magnification gives a smaller and dimmer viewfinder image when compared with the PME51. Regards, Chris LI ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #90 ************************ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates.