hasselblad Sun, 20 Aug 2000 Volume 1 : Number 963 In this issue: Re: hassy 203fe question RE: Hasselblad Lens Tilt Re: Digital x-pan coming? RE: hassy 203fe question Re: SWC on moon missions? Not Re: 500 ELM/ELX Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... RE: 500 ELM/ELX Re: 500 ELM/ELX Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* Re: hassy 203fe question Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* RE: hassy 203fe question Re: hassy 203fe question Re: ~FLEXBODY~ Re: SV: 903swc vs 40mm. Re: Hasselblad Lens Tilt Re: RE: hassy 203fe question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:49:49 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <006f01c009cb$3430d340$69e1f1c3@qnu99> kswong@sp.ml.com wrote: > [...] Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does > not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the > same tripod. Slanted buildings? That would be a perspective effect, i.e. due to the position and attitude of the camera, and thus not due to the lens at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:21:50 -0700 From: "Frank Filippone" To: "LEO WOLK" , Subject: RE: Hasselblad Lens Tilt Message-ID: <001101c009e0$6eb12000$c73ffea9@ELNred735i> Shift only... I want tilt. Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: LEO WOLK What about the 1.4x Shift-Mutar? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:12:22 -0400 From: Wilber Jeffcoat To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Digital x-pan coming? Message-ID: <399E95C5.11AB58B5@sumter.net> Sounds like a nice package, but that is Fuji glass on the X-Pan. Cheers Wilber "Murray E. Milligan" wrote: > With the flourish of digital cameras on the market now, what do you think of > an X-pan sized camera, Hassie glass, but in a 3 megapixel digital camera? > > Murray E. Milligan, > Winnipeg, Canada > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:12:36 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <01C009C7.B661AB90@user-2ive1b9.dialup.mindspring.com> > > [...] Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does > > not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the > > same tripod. > Slanted buildings? That would be a perspective effect, i.e. due to the > position and attitude of the camera, and thus not due to the lens at all. I believe the amount that a lense tends to 'distort' is different for each lense? ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 2000 19:19:46 -0000 From: "Roger Urban" To: qnu@worldonline.nl, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: SWC on moon missions? Not Message-ID: <20000819191946.30423.qmail@viebrock.chek.com> Oh. Since I've never seen one in person, does anyone have one or know of someone who does? Have never seen it listed in B&H Photo catalog or elsewhere either. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:40:22 +0200 "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: >Roger Urban wrote: > >> I saw a picture in a Hasselblad brochure of a black 903SWC with a motor >drive on it. > >Motorized SWCs feature in the Hasselblad catalogue for some time now. >The space SWCs were not motorized. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > hey. sign up for a free bigdeal email account (yourname@bigdeal.com). you get updates on specials, promos, news and other junk- you can sign up at http://www.bigdeal.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:37:04 -0700 From: "Andreas Frijdal" To: Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <005301c00a60$4c1ed0c0$33dcd8d4@hl2000> dear Austin, I have dicks "conversion set" it consists of a very short piece of wire, small piece of foam, you really buy the idea (that is what Dick agrees in his note) I felt a bit uneasy about spend $50 and of course the 9 volt battery wears out very quickly andreas ps: the 50$ include the 9 volt battery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin Franklin" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:38 PM Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX > I think Dick Werner has one for something like $50 that uses a 9V battery.... > > ---------- > From: Ernie G. > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:30 PM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX > > Mark, > > Hasselblad in NJ has a kit for the conversion, however they will not > sell it, you have to send it to them and they will do the work, the > cost quoted to me was $285.00 this includes return shipping, however > if the camera requires any other service it will be additional > charges. > > Hope this was of some help. > > Ernie G. > > > > > >Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone have any experience > >converting the 500 ELM/ELX to take AA batteries? Is it possible or even > >worth the trouble? Thanks in advance. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:31:37 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Message-ID: <01C009F5.610CF310@user-2ive1b9.dialup.mindspring.com> Does anyone out there have a Gossen Luna-Pro Digital meter? I am looking for a small (no flash meter needed) carry around meter. This meter seems to be pretty nice... Anyone have any comments on this meter, or know of another small full functional (wide ASA and EV range) meter? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:23:57 -0600 From: Russell Rosener To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Message-ID: >Does anyone out there have a Gossen Luna-Pro Digital meter? I am looking >for a small (no flash meter needed) carry around meter. This meter seems >to be pretty nice... > >Anyone have any comments on this meter, or know of another small full >functional (wide ASA and EV range) meter? > >Thanks! > Yes, I've had one for 5 years now and it's my most trusted exposure meter. It's light weight, easy to read and extremely tough. I hate to say how many times I have dropped this meter and it keeps running like a clock! It runs very economically on a single AA battery. However I'm not sure if Gossen still makes the original ambient only version. You should be able to pick up an original used for a very reasonable price, if you can find someone willing to sell. Russ Rosener ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:37:25 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Message-ID: <399EF004.B82C577C@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Austin Franklin wrote: > > Does anyone out there have a Gossen Luna-Pro Digital meter? I am looking > for a small (no flash meter needed) carry around meter. This meter seems > to be pretty nice... > > Anyone have any comments on this meter, or know of another small full > functional (wide ASA and EV range) meter? > > Thanks! > I love mine Austin as you may know from the LUG! Had it for years but it was reading a half stop low and there was no compensation thing. So a year ago i got the newer Gossen Luna-Pro Digital meter F (an F at the end) So I can send the old on in to get jacked up i guess! My new "F" reads right on the money. Agree's with my Minolta spot meter F and meters in both my Leica M6 bodies. So the non F is a half stop low, a little annoying! I'm sure fixable by Gossen (i hope!) Mark William Rabiner :) Sekonic are out there all kinds of companies coming out with these lightweight digital meters. The Gossen Luna-Pro Digital meter F or non F has no memory features at all. Sometimes i miss not having the averaging feature from two readings i get with the Minolta spot F. But Minolta meters are all too big still, and don't switch between reflective and ambient as the Gossen does just by sliding away the dome. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:29:32 +0200 From: "Eduard Crombie" To: Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: Good evening Andreas, Best wishes from Belgium, first of all. I've been following this thread about problem with 'batteries' for the EL/M in the past months. And also the possible remedies. 9 V Battery is the cheapest. I don't know if the originals are or are not still available at Hasselblad Sweden. If not the equivalent NiCd cells are available at Conrad Elektronik Versand Germany under "Best.Nr. 23 10 37-88 NiCd-Knopfzellen 6V 600mAh 35x50mm 130g DEM 39.95 € 20.43". The only thing extra you have to do is remove part of the "Lotfahnen" with a small side cutter pliers. The make is "Emmerich". See also http://www.conrad.com. Ulrik Neupert's suggestion is even better: get the NiMH equivalent accu's from Hasselblad Deutschland @ US$ 70.00- a piece. get rid of the 'memory effect'. My original accu's are still very operational. I don't know if it's important, but I ordered my EL/M in 1977 with 2 accu's. They were always used until I sensed a slowing down of the film transport and then charched for 20 hours. So 8 hours less than nominal 1/10th period for full charge of 2 accu's. After 23 years they discharge to about 3.8 V and after the 20 hours are about 6.4 V each. Of course to conclude the efficiency of this pair of dinosaurs I still have to test how many exposures are possible at this moment with a full charge. Take care, > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Frijdal Eduard Crombie e-mail: mailto:on7ce@freegates.be website: http://home.tiscalinet.be/on7ce/ ON7CE, ex-GM4JTD Dijkstraat 39 Dendermonde, Belgium. Tel.: 052.21.37.69 gsm.: 075.30.98.19 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:33:37 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <399EFD30.18A89940@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Eduard Crombie wrote: > > Good evening Andreas, > > Best wishes from Belgium, first of all. > > I've been following this thread about problem with 'batteries' for the > EL/M in the past months. > And also the possible remedies. 9 V Battery is the cheapest. > > I don't know if the originals are or are not still available at > Hasselblad Sweden. > I think Varta is going to keep making these babies for quite a while. both of mine still work! Mark William Rabiner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:35:45 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: , , Subject: Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* Message-ID: <010901c00a2d$d2a66460$2808d3d4@simonhome> Thanks to everyone who responded to my message regarding the 180mm lens. I now have the lens and although it was described as mint there is one fault on it. On the bottom of the focussing ring (end nearest camera) where there is a smooth area about a half inch wide below the textured part, there is a very thin crack that goes across the half inch width. Other than that the lens is immaculate in every way apart from a small speck (looks like dust or a mark on the coating) on one of the inside elements which I am not too bothered about as it should not affect image quality. The lens has obviously had a ding but I do not know how hard or whether it could have affected the internal elements. Does anyone have any knowledge regarding how easy it is to make a small crack in the focussing ring (or in the type of material used on the lens)? That is to say would it need to be a substantial and very hard knock or does the material crack easily with a softer knock. Are the Zeiss lenses sufficiently robust that the internals would not be affected? I only have experience of dinging Leica M lenses and Nikon F lenses. Of course, buying a used, and pre-dinged lens, does mean I can get on and use it rather than overly protecting it. Just hope some people on the list can provide any information as to whether I might be getting into dangerous water with a lens where part of the barrel has a small crack. Many thanks for any help. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:35:33 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <000801c00a2d$cac83b60$b4dbf1c3@qnu99> Austin Franklin wrote; > > Slanted buildings? That would be a perspective effect, i.e. due to the > > position and attitude of the camera, and thus not due to the lens at all. > > I believe the amount that a lense tends to 'distort' is different for each lense? Yes it is. But i don't know of any 'slanting'-distortion in lenses. Barrel and pin-cushion, yes. But slanting, no. Slanted buildings are a very common sight in photography. This is always due to tilting the camera. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:10 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: "Simon Lamb" , Subject: Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* Message-ID: <002001c00a30$40a902e0$b4dbf1c3@qnu99> Simon Lamb wrote: > Thanks to everyone who responded to my message regarding the 180mm lens. I > now have the lens and although it was described as mint there is one fault > on it. On the bottom of the focussing ring (end nearest camera) where there > is a smooth area about a half inch wide below the textured part, there is a > very thin crack that goes across the half inch width. > > Other than that the > lens is immaculate in every way apart from a small speck (looks like dust or > a mark on the coating) on one of the inside elements which I am not too > bothered about as it should not affect image quality. > > The lens has obviously had a ding but I do not know how hard or whether it > could have affected the internal elements. Does anyone have any knowledge > regarding how easy it is to make a small crack in the focussing ring (or in > the type of material used on the lens)? That is to say would it need to be > a substantial and very hard knock or does the material crack easily with a > softer knock. Are the Zeiss lenses sufficiently robust that the internals > would not be affected? This crack will eventually result in a complete break. This ring however is cheap, and very easy to replace. I had to replace a few rings myself, and i won't be surprised if i will have to replace some more... This plastic ring (it is only the bottom part, upto where the rubber sits) is under tension (it is a 'clip-on' ring, held in place by tension only), and is easy to break, i.e. not a lot of force is needed at all. I wouldn't even be surprised if this ring would break spontaneously. So a broken ring would not indicate a major calamity happening to the lens. Though of course there is no way of saying nothing extreme did not happen to the lens either. > I only have experience of dinging Leica M lenses and Nikon F lenses. Of > course, buying a used, and pre-dinged lens, does mean I can get on and use > it rather than overly protecting it. Just hope some people on the list can > provide any information as to whether I might be getting into dangerous > water with a lens where part of the barrel has a small crack. It is not the barrel, it is only the plastic clip-on ring. Don't worry. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:43:21 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <01C00A16.6C6E2550@user-2ive1b9.dialup.mindspring.com> > > Slanted buildings? That would be a perspective effect, i.e. due to the > > position and attitude of the camera, and thus not due to the lens at all. > > I believe the amount that a lense tends to 'distort' is different for each lense? Yes it is. But i don't know of any 'slanting'-distortion in lenses. Barrel and pin-cushion, yes. But slanting, no. Slanted buildings are a very common sight in photography. This is always due to tilting the camera. [Austin] It is probably the 'pin cushion' distortion that was causing the difference the original poster was seeing. Since we don't know the exact setup, nor have seen the results...we really can't say. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:01:46 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <00dc01c00a39$d5bb2800$b4dbf1c3@qnu99> Austin Franklin wrote: > [Austin] It is probably the 'pin cushion' distortion that was causing the > difference the original poster was seeing. Since we don't know the exact > setup, nor have seen the results...we really can't say. You're right of course. It was the combination of 'buildings' with 'slanting' that got me speculating. Ever so often people think that converging verticals are signs of distortion. But if this effect should indeed be caused by distortion, it is is very unprobable that pin-cushion type distortion is the culprit. All wide angle lenses (yes, even the Biogon!) display barrel distortion! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:10:09 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: ~FLEXBODY~ Message-ID: <84.9bae247.26d0b421@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/00 6:02:26 AM, david.r.williams2@jsc.nasa.gov writes: << Keeping in mind that (a) Hasselblad states that the 38 Biogon has "staggering" depth of field (b) you can use different focal lenths of lenses with the FLEXBODY >> Just a thought... for all of the people following the "SWC vs 40cfe" threads, you can probably get a little more flexibility out of the 40 (if you also own a Flexbody); since you would be able to use the Flexbody movements to alter depth of field & perspective control (similar to a view camera). Just another item to consider (before you plunk down your $$). -David Gerhardt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:46 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: SV: 903swc vs 40mm. Message-ID: In a message dated 8/18/00 6:45:45 AM, marcober@gate.net writes: << By the way...can the 903swc be conveniently used hand-held? What about the bubble level when one uses the camera w/o a tripod? Is this piece of equipment intended to be used on support? Thanks M.B. >> Yes, you can easily use a 903 handheld. The reason the bubble level is there is so you can ensure the camera is LEVEL during architectural photography ("leaning" buildings, etc). For general photography it certainly doesn't REQUIRE any more support than the 40cfe would (remembering that critical camera set-up always is enhanced by use of a tripod). David G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:14:19 EDT From: DavidG6028@AOL.COM To: bigleo@worldnet.att.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad Lens Tilt Message-ID: In a message dated 8/18/00 7:19:40 AM, bigleo@worldnet.att.net writes: << What about the 1.4x Shift-Mutar? >> >From the Hasselblad literature: "The PC-Mutar 1.4x is a unique accessory which adds perspective control to your lenses between 40 and 100mm focal lengths. You can shift the lens +/- 16mm, and photograph tall subjects without tilting the camera, which would distort the image. The PC-Mutar opens up new horizons, especially in architectural photography. It extends the focal lengths by a factor of 1.4. Used with the CF 40 lens, the total focal length is 56mm..." So, with the 40 you can obtain camera "movements" with either the Flexbody, or (to a lesser degree) with the PC-Mutar. Neither solution is going to replace view cameras, but may fulfill the needs of specific individuals. David G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:50:20 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: RE: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <71.5f967e2.26d0cb9c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/00 4:48:35 PM, austin@darkroom.com writes: << [Austin] It is probably the 'pin cushion' distortion that was causing the difference the original poster was seeing. Since we don't know the exact setup, nor have seen the results...we really can't say. >> I would be very surprised if the "pin cushion" distortion on a Zeiss 50mm lens was visibly worse than an equivalent Mamiya lens. Even if it MEASURED worse than the Mamiya. >there is only one big difference in output with the >50mm. Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does >not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the >same tripod. Maybe the 645 is shooting the same photo in the "panorama" orientation, and the natural perspective effect of a 50mm (wide angle) lens is "masked" somewhat by the top of the frame being cropped off (comparing the ~ 6 x 4.5 of the Mamiya to the ~ 6 x 6 of the Hasselblad). Otherwise, return that 50!!! David G. ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #963 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html