hasselblad Tue, 22 Aug 2000 Volume 1 : Number 965 In this issue: Re: lens distortion, buildings falling over Re: film and heat Re: film and heat RE: lens distortion, buildings falling over Hassy Flex Body Re: film and heat Re: film and heat RE: film and heat For sale items Re: vote for B&H, please Re: For sale items Re: vote for B&H, please Serial numbers Re: vote for B&H, please RE: Serial numbers RE: vote for B&H, please RE: vote for B&H, please Re: vote for B&H, please Re: Serial numbers RE: vote for B&H, please Re: vote for B&H, please Re: 500 ELM/ELX RE: vote for B&H, please Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* Focus Screen Adapter Standard VS. SWC URL moved RE: Serial numbers Re: vote for B&H, please RE: Serial numbers RE: Serial numbers Re: 500 ELM/ELX RE: 500 ELM/ELX RE: 500 ELM/ELX Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* RE: 500 ELM/ELX Re: SWC on moon missions? Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... RE: 500 ELM/ELX Re: Focus Screen Adapter Standard VS. SWC Re: Serial numbers RE: vote for B&H, please RE: RE: Serial numbers RE: RE: Serial numbers RE: 500 ELM/ELX RE: SWC on moon missions? RE: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Re: SWC on moon missions? Re: Serial numbers RE: Serial numbers Re: vote for B&H, please Re: vote for B&H, please RE: Serial numbers Re: film and heat Re: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Re: RE: RE: Serial numbers Re: hassy 203fe question RE: 500 ELM/ELX Re: hassy 203fe question Re: flash sync insanity Re: hassy 203fe question Re: film and heat Re: vote for B&H, please RE: 500 ELM/ELX Re: film and heat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:26:15 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: lens distortion, buildings falling over Message-ID: Jim, I'm not sure the observed barrel distortion would be exactly the same = across all lens designs. My understanding is that the barrel distortion = varies from design to design, and is often reported as either a test = result of technical specification. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't = there been some improvement in the late model 40mm lens compared to the = early model? That said, I agree with you that the focal length is = probably a larger effect in this case. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:36:52 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: film and heat Message-ID: Tom, I've conducted tests of baking film to see if it would generate a = color/density shift. I simply baked a roll of 35mm Kodak Vericolor color = negative film in my home oven overnight, then developed it. My best = recall is that it was about ten hours at 325 degrees F. I was looking for = some variation across the width of the film, but saw none. The film came = out just fine. The motivation for this test was a problem with uneven density across the = film width I was having. My lab at the time was delivering inconsistent = results, in which there was often a red cast over the center of the film = width, and the edges where normal. Turns out they were already aware that = their KISS dip and dunk minilab was always having this trouble once the = number of cycles (rolls developed) went past a certain number. They tried = to blame the problem on my film handling. After some discussion with = other photographers, the chemistry freshness came into question. Those = chemicals cost money, and the lab was not getting the number of cycles = they expected. It was explained to me that the operator failed to rinse = the reels before putting them back through, the the bleach was weakening = the developer. My understanding is that so much as a drop of bleach can = have a significant effect on the developer. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:51:53 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: film and heat Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/00 11:04:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com writes: << Tom Miller wrote: > > Could someone tell me what kind of effects heat would have on fuji 220 film > 800 iso left in a car during the heat of a summer day in texas for 5 hours. > tom > A dark car in direct sunlight can get incredibly hot, way over a hundred degrees. At minimum you'll get bad color cross over and the lubrication in any equipment you've got in there will dry out. You are baking your stuff. My film and cameras go where I go, live where I live, breathe the same air i breath. Mark William Rabiner >> I agree a car (dark or light) gets very hot and it's generally bad for film. I disagree that there will be a color crossover problem for the original poster, because ISO 800 Fuji is negative film and even moderate color shift could be handled in printing. I also disagree that a hot car will dry out camera lubricants. Lubricants get thinner as they heat up but you'd need to get them up to 400F or so to start to break them down enough to dry them out. I also disagree with the idea that your film must go wherever you go. That's fine for a few rolls but I often carry several hundred rolls at a time to travel destinations, and carrying it all on my person all day isn't very practical. For car travel, an ice chest is a better solution. In the US and Canada you can usually find the styrofoam type cheaply and easily, so there's no need to drag a heavy one with you on the airplane, and ice is readily available on the road. I have a soft, fold-up ice chest that I take overseas. As for camera equipment, leaving it in the car is, if nothing else, a security risk. I put my backup gear under the trunk mat, in the wheel opening around the spare tire. Most thieves don't want to spend a lot of time poking around, they'll just grab what's in plain sight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:00:25 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: lens distortion, buildings falling over Message-ID: <01C00B56.A4055600@user-2ive086.dialup.mindspring.com> > a particular millimeter lens produces an exact image size, on any size film, > of an object that is a certain distance away. Don't different lense designs have different distortions, and as such, will produce different results, thought being the exact same focal length? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:55:16 -0700 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Cc: Subject: Hassy Flex Body Message-ID: <000d01c00b77$6fa3e680$c73ffea9@ELNred735i> Jim Brick....I know you are a big proponent of the FlxBody, especially for landscapes. You tilt the front to get more DOF. I know the techniques and use them on the 4x5. I am wonering if you could give me a rundown of what equipment you use on the body....Whch finder, screen, etc. Wh did you go with the Hassy rather tahn a Linhof 679 that would be even more flexible? Prices are about the same, after you add the lenses. I am considering adding the body to my kit, and doing away with my 4x5. The Linhof looks like a suitable alternative. Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:01:06 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: film and heat Message-ID: > I disagree that a hot car will dry out=20 camera lubricants. Lubricants get thinner as they heat up but you'd need = to=20 get them up to 400F or so to start to break them down enough to dry them = out. The theory that the lubricants can take a lot of heat before breaking down = makes sense. Using lubricants in car motors, for example, shows they can = take a lot of temperature. My understanding is that it isn't so much the = lubricants failing to maintain their properties, but rather that when they = get hot, they get thin, as you report, and tend to run off. I try to keep = my cameras with me, in the same air I breathe. Speaking of breathing, I did some work in the very hot attic this summer, = putting down flooring. I would go up there in that 140 to 150 degree air = (estimate) for five minutes at a time, then take a significant break, with = plenty of water. I felt ill after this exercise, anyway. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:05:36 -0500 From: "Waldo Berry" To: , Subject: Re: film and heat Message-ID: Try using a cooler for your film. I have one of those soft pack coolers = with a little drop in cool pack. If nothing else it will insulate from = the heat. If you have to leave your equirpement in the car at least = leave it in a closed case. Provides some level of insulation against = heat. Try craking your windows and using a windsheild shade. Waldo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:16:51 -0400 From: "Cousineau , Bernard" To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: film and heat Message-ID: <4FAFDCF60A23D21197A500A0C9CFE33604EE6395@email.telesat.ca> > Could someone tell me what kind of effects heat would have on > fuji 220 film > 800 iso left in a car during the heat of a summer day in > texas for 5 hours. > tom There is an article on this topic in the current issue of "Chasseur d'image" magazine (French). They found that most films are not very sensitive to heat when they are unexposed, but that they sometimes will show some deterioration if heated after exposure. This may be due to the fact that you have to open the foil (or film can) to expose the film, which subjects it to humidity. Either way, the suggestion to get a cooler is a valid one, and quite cheap. Bernard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:25:03 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: For sale items Message-ID: <013901c00b7b$99dd8b50$650a0a0a@slamb> Is it OK to post items for sale in thsi list and, if so, what are the conditions that apply? Thanks. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:51 PM Subject: Re: film and heat > In a message dated 8/20/00 11:04:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com writes: > > << Tom Miller wrote: > > > > Could someone tell me what kind of effects heat would have on fuji 220 film > > 800 iso left in a car during the heat of a summer day in texas for 5 hours. > > tom > > > A dark car in direct sunlight can get incredibly hot, way over a hundred > degrees. > At minimum you'll get bad color cross over and the lubrication in any > equipment > you've got in there will dry out. > You are baking your stuff. > My film and cameras go where I go, live where I live, breathe the same air i > breath. > Mark William Rabiner >> > > I agree a car (dark or light) gets very hot and it's generally bad for film. > I disagree that there will be a color crossover problem for the original > poster, because ISO 800 Fuji is negative film and even moderate color shift > could be handled in printing. I also disagree that a hot car will dry out > camera lubricants. Lubricants get thinner as they heat up but you'd need to > get them up to 400F or so to start to break them down enough to dry them out. > I also disagree with the idea that your film must go wherever you go. > That's fine for a few rolls but I often carry several hundred rolls at a time > to travel destinations, and carrying it all on my person all day isn't very > practical. For car travel, an ice chest is a better solution. In the US > and Canada you can usually find the styrofoam type cheaply and easily, so > there's no need to drag a heavy one with you on the airplane, and ice is > readily available on the road. I have a soft, fold-up ice chest that I take > overseas. As for camera equipment, leaving it in the car is, if nothing > else, a security risk. I put my backup gear under the trunk mat, in the > wheel opening around the spare tire. Most thieves don't want to spend a lot > of time poking around, they'll just grab what's in plain sight. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:48:20 -0500 From: Lynda B To: Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: > SPAM isn't measured by amount but by content. > If you are so popular, why do you need our vote? > Hey, that was downright nasty... Henry, I voted for you. B&H is a great store.. I was in New York recently and stopped by. What a great place, and the prices are incredible. An honest photo store (almost like an oxymoron...eh?). I don't think his post was worthy of all this grumbling... -Lynda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:51:45 -0400 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: For sale items Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000821105145.0093ae80@pop.microtec.net> Yes it is permissable for individuals to post items for sale here. If you check out the archives link at the bottom of this post, you will find another link to the List Guidelines, where list policies are explained. Dan C. At 03:25 PM 21-08-00 +0100, Simon Lamb wrote: >Is it OK to post items for sale in thsi list and, if so, what are the >conditions that apply? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:01:20 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <023501c00b89$4f16e720$06c7f1c3@qnu99> Lynda B wrote: > > SPAM isn't measured by amount but by content. > > If you are so popular, why do you need our vote? > > > > Hey, that was downright nasty... > > Henry, I voted for you. B&H is a great store.. I was in New York recently > and stopped by. What a great place, and the prices are incredible. An > honest photo store (almost like an oxymoron...eh?). > > I don't think his post was worthy of all this grumbling... Perhaps B&H is an excellent store, perhaps it isn't. But Henry's post was in no way Hasselblad related. It only served to solicit attention, and (as he may hope) perhaps custom, to B&H. That's plain and unadulterated SPAM. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:21:46 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Serial numbers Message-ID: <01bf01c00b8b$e7d8f910$650a0a0a@slamb> Hi Aplogies if this has been asked before. I looked at the archives but it would take a long time to go through each one to see if this question has already been posed to the group. Is there anywhere that I can go/person I can ask to trace a lens serial number. I am interested to find out the age of the 180 f/4 that I just purchased. The number is 7512195. Thanks. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:41:32 EDT From: COHIBA7@aol.com To: qnu@worldonline.nl, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: Greetings all: While it is not my style typically to become involved in such political matters, IMHO, Henry's initial post asking the members of this group to give his store a nod, was not out of line. While I agree that the groups' topic sh ould be Hasselblad related, I must say first that this group has benefited numerous times from Henry's various postings which are clearly directly on point to the Hasselblad related discussion at issue, regardless of whether or not there was an underlying economic motive. Second, the group does vary from the "topic" frequently (e.g., discussions of Leica Noctilux M, Rollei, Mamiya, Bronica, alleged Nikon MF, do women photographers use MF of all things , and more)! Some of these postings are very interesting and invaluable where others have gone on seemingly endlessly (at least for weeks) and could arguably be deemed more SPAM like than the canned food product itself! Regardless, Henry is a friend to this group, many people on here have recommended his store as a legitimate resource for our needs and accordingly, his having kindly and deferentially once asked the group to support him is not really worthy of such a sharp rebuke. Politicians who contribute nothing to this group will be doing the same over the next few months. When you go to the polls, you will cast your vote quietly behind the curtain. Do the same for his store if you like. Henry, I do not know you and have done some limited business with your company and others as well. My contact with your store was based on the recommendations of the members of this group. Therefore, I do not have a problem with you asking us to return the favor should we feel like supporting you. Good luck. R.L. Demsey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:43:26 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: <01C00B6D.7548F3F0@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> You could call Hasselblad service and ask them... The Hasselblad Compendium doesn't have dates for the post mid or so 80's serial numbers. That lense was first introduced in 1990 though, so it isn't THAT old... ---------- From: Simon Lamb Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:21 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Serial numbers Hi Aplogies if this has been asked before. I looked at the archives but it would take a long time to go through each one to see if this question has already been posed to the group. Is there anywhere that I can go/person I can ask to trace a lens serial number. I am interested to find out the age of the 180 f/4 that I just purchased. The number is 7512195. Thanks. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:04:49 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <01C00B70.7532A570@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> > IMHO, Henry's initial post asking the members of this group to give > his store a nod, was not out of line. If I don't miss my guess, this list is supposed to be a non-commercial list. This 'request' of Henry's was solely for commercial purposes. I believe this is not the same thing as straying off topic... Perhaps the list moderator can chime in here to the appropriateness of commercial solicitations on this list. > Henry is a friend to this group... No doubt, but are you saying because someone contributes 'substantially' to the group, then s/he earns the right to make commercial posts? > My contact with your store was based on the > recommendations of the members of this group. Therefore, I do not have a > problem with you asking us to return the favor should we feel like supporting > you This group sends him business through solicited recommendations (which is, of course just fine), which the store benefits from. What favor is it we are returning? Heck, he's getting more press from the controversy ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:05:56 -0400 From: "Bruce Wilson" To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: RE: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: I thought people were reacting to Henry's solicitation as spam because it came just a day or two after HENRY HIMSELF complained about untidy postings by others. Henry is a senior statesman of this group and an example for us all. These comments were all made good-naturedly, I'm sure. -----Original Message----- From: Q.G. de Bakker [mailto:qnu@worldonline.nl] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:01 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Lynda B wrote: > > SPAM isn't measured by amount but by content. > > If you are so popular, why do you need our vote? > > > > Hey, that was downright nasty... > > Henry, I voted for you. B&H is a great store.. I was in New York recently > and stopped by. What a great place, and the prices are incredible. An > honest photo store (almost like an oxymoron...eh?). > > I don't think his post was worthy of all this grumbling... Perhaps B&H is an excellent store, perhaps it isn't. But Henry's post was in no way Hasselblad related. It only served to solicit attention, and (as he may hope) perhaps custom, to B&H. That's plain and unadulterated SPAM. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:12:47 EDT From: COHIBA7@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <29.9308274.26d2bd0f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/21/00 1:05:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, austin@darkroom.com writes: > Heck, he's getting more press from the controversy ;-) > Right you are Austin...ANY news is good news! As for commercialism...folks here do sell (and I have purchased) the occasional Hassy "necessity!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:28:41 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <025b01c00b95$54cc9460$06c7f1c3@qnu99> Austin Franklin wrote: > You could call Hasselblad service and ask them... The Hasselblad > Compendium doesn't have dates for the post mid or so 80's serial numbers. > That lense was first introduced in 1990 though, so it isn't THAT old... Rick Nordin does devote an appendix of his "Hasselblad System Compendium" to the problem of finding out dates of manufacture of Zeiss lenses. Basically, there is no date code in the serial numbers, and, as he mentions, both Hasselblad and Zeiss themselves do not have access to this information, i.e. they too don't know... (though Zeiss could find out, if they wish to. But they obviously don't :( ). Serial numbers were allocated by Zeiss in blocks and per job. Any type of lens is produced per order, in different batches, in different years, each batch having their own block of numbers, the size of which was determined by the size of the order. The next, contiguous block of numbers would be allocated to the next job: which could be a completely different product. Rick Nordin says he compiled his tables by collecting data on as many lenses as possible to match numbers with possible dates. I'm afraid some research will be needed to determine this one too. As you say, the lens was introduced in 1990, but production must have started some time before. The earliest picture of this lens i could find has the number 7147317 (It appears in Nordin's book, as well as in several other books, and in Hasselblad publications). It was discontinued in its CF form in 1998. So it must be somewhere in between :-) What we must do to answer this is either to ask everyone who owns this lens (and preferably has bought it new) to give the number and year of purchase, or/and find published pictures of this lens on which the number is legible and match this number with the date of publication (though the lenses depicted of course can be older than the publication, it will still set a boundary because it obviously can not be later than the date of publication). Anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:30:56 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: RE: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: Oh well, I guess I have stooped to the level of discussing this. I think = both sides have a point. Henry is our dear friend and presents us with = many favors, such as describing, in detail, how to buy an Apcam winder. = For my friends that speak Yiddish, I'd call him a mensch. On the other = hand, the guy that said he didn't want to participate in an online survey = or be solicited to do so has every right to do so. Though I have not done = so myself with this post, let me say that one way to handle this is to = just let the criticism stand and move on. =20 I'll also go ahead and say that criticism offered to the list in general = is more likely to be defended than private criticism. Kind of like the = wedding of some Marine officers I photographed. When one of the guests = was ever so mildly interfering with my photo work, one of the seniour = officers had one of the juniour officers take the guy aside and explain = things to him. I didn't prompt this, btw. It was done nicely, and the = guy was not embarrassed in front of his date. The photo work came out = great, with an enlargement of the bride in my portfolio and a big reprint = order from the families. Not to be completely without comment on a Hasselblad topic, I'm not a big = fan of the Apcam winder, the Hasselblad winder for the late model body, = the batteries required for the older integrated body, or winders in = general. About the only application I'd consider for a winder is studio = photography. For my hand-held wedding journals, I like the rapid wind = crank (RWC), which allows me to wind at a rate of about twice as fast as a = winding knob. The RWC frees me from tending batteries and carrying them = along with their associated motors, circuitry and bulk which interferes = with certain Polaroid backs. The early model RWC has a better feel than = the late model tight folding unit. The late model is more convenient when = Polaroid is used. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:32:08 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <026601c00b95$bc59ac80$06c7f1c3@qnu99> COHIBA7@aol.com wrote: > > Heck, he's getting more press from the controversy ;-) > > > Right you are Austin...ANY news is good news! > > As for commercialism...folks here do sell (and I have purchased) the > occasional Hassy "necessity!" Have a look at the guidelines of this group: "It is not acceptable for people to use the list to conduct a business in the sale of camera equipment. However, it is acceptable for individuals occasionally to post advertisements to sell cameras, and very much acceptable for individuals to post requests to buy cameras." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:44:33 EDT From: QWhoZeiss@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <68.6a60905.26d2c481@aol.com> Ernst Wildi and Hasselblad , thinks Dick Werner 9V battery is a bomb waiting to go off. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:14:46 -0400 From: Dan Cardish To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000821141446.00945ea0@pop.microtec.net> Let me tell you about spam. I get about a dozen posts a day to the list which are filtered out by the list server and sent to me for my approval. They never see the light of day in the mailing list. Anyone here interested in buying some Viagra? How about some free money? Or free tickets to Florida? These are three samples awaiting my decision. Folks, I know spam, and Henry's post was no spam. It would be no different in my view if someone was promoting their own web site in some contest or whatever. The "rules" state that dealers should not be conducting their business on the list. And having Henry asking politely for people to vote for his web site is a far cry from pushing his wares on the site. Personally speaking, I have no problem with dealers selling things on the list. I just instituted the rule to prevent the possibility of huge 'attachments' and ugly html formatted postings listing the week's specials from various dealers. And so far Henry has been pretty good about following this rule (as have other dealers as well). Life is too short for this. Dan C. At 01:04 PM 21-08-00 -0400, Austin Franklin wrote: >> IMHO, Henry's initial post asking the members of this group to give >> his store a nod, was not out of line. > >If I don't miss my guess, this list is supposed to be a non-commercial >list. This 'request' of Henry's was solely for commercial purposes. I >believe this is not the same thing as straying off topic... Perhaps the >list moderator can chime in here to the appropriateness of commercial >solicitations on this list. > >> Henry is a friend to this group... > >No doubt, but are you saying because someone contributes 'substantially' to >the group, then s/he earns the right to make commercial posts? > >> My contact with your store was based on the >> recommendations of the members of this group. Therefore, I do not have a >> problem with you asking us to return the favor should we feel like >supporting >> you > >This group sends him business through solicited recommendations (which is, >of course just fine), which the store benefits from. What favor is it we >are returning? > >Heck, he's getting more press from the controversy ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chris J. DiBona" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* Message-ID: I have the 180 and have been very very happy with it, I don't have a heavy background though, so it might have just been general hassy joy. Chris -- > I have the opporutnity to purchase an absolutely unmarked 180mm f/4 CF T*. > Although I have read good things about this lens, does anyone have any real > world experience of working with it. I am intending it to be my main > portrait lens for head shots. > > Thanks. > > Simon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Pignatelli" > To: "'LEO WOLK'" ; > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:02 PM > Subject: RE: RE: SWC on moon missions? > > > > I have an attraction for this sort of thing, it is not something for the > > masses. > > > > Paolo > > > > Paolo Pignatelli > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LEO WOLK [mailto:bigleo@worldnet.att.net] > > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:27 AM > > To: paolop@snet.net; hasselblad@kelvin.net > > Subject: Re: RE: SWC on moon missions? > > > > > > Your comments add considerable weight to this topic. I almost fell for > it! > > > > Leo. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paolo Pignatelli > > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > > Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:57 AM > > Subject: RE: RE: SWC on moon missions? > > > > > > >The problems of a Hasselblad on the moon are of little gravity. > > > > > >Paolo > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing > list > > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > > affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: > > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 05:28:22 +0700 From: "Wisawa Sripungwiwat" To: Subject: Focus Screen Adapter Standard VS. SWC Message-ID: <000d01c00af8$5a1d2300$9585b7ca@FAN00326> I would like to use focusing screen adapter with my 501CM and 903SWC . According to Hasselblad brochure, standard adpter #41057 cannot be used with SWC and SWC adapter # 41050 can only be used with 90x SWC. Is it true because I don't want to buy both. Can I use the standard adapter with both 501CM and 903SWC. What is the difference between these two adapters except spirit level? Any comments would be appreciated. The reason why I want to use the adapter with 501CM is another story. Wisawa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:39:58 +0900 From: "N.Kuratani" To: "Alastair Firkin" Subject: URL moved Message-ID: <000d01c00b10$b8f7be40$4630fea9@vaiomicrotower> Hello, My photo site is now placed in my own domain "KURATANI.NET". I'd appreciate if you check it, and hopefully leave some message in the GuestBook. Thank you. ******** Naoomi KURATANI, Osaka, Japan [ NK's Digital Photo Salon ] http://www.kuratani.net/index-e.html (English) mailto:nk@kuratani.net (* main *) ******** Windows98 / IE5.5 / OE5.5 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:17:03 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: <01C00B7C.96EA94A0@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> > What we must do to answer this is either to ask everyone who owns > this lens I don't know that it has to be THIS lense... I believe the blocks are done on a year by year basis.. What I would do is ask people who bought a body/lense combination, and if the lense serial number is near the 180s, then check the body date code... Just a suggestion... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:15:46 EDT From: Cmrausr@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <34.9749228.26d2d9e2@aol.com> In a message dated 8/21/00 2:16:17 PM, dcardish@microtec.net writes: << I just instituted the rule to prevent the possibility of huge 'attachments' and ugly html formatted postings listing the week's specials from various dealers. And so far Henry has been pretty good about following this rule (as have other dealers as well). Life is too short for this. >> Thank you Dan! Scott Stewart cmrausr@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:13:25 -0700 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Subject: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: <002901c00ba3$e1b6c400$c73ffea9@ELNred735i> RIck Nordin keeps track of the older lenses.... On the newer, the best I could do was to try to fitit by the age of the lens.....in your case, the 180 can only be XXX years old... Poest the first 3 digits and see if any of us might have lenses that are close and can date it like that.... Hassy typically does not or will not help. Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@sclamb.com] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:22 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Serial numbers Hi Aplogies if this has been asked before. I looked at the archives but it would take a long time to go through each one to see if this question has already been posed to the group. Is there anywhere that I can go/person I can ask to trace a lens serial number. I am interested to find out the age of the 180 f/4 that I just purchased. The number is 7512195. Thanks. Simon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:13:28 -0700 From: "Frank Filippone" To: Subject: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: <002a01c00ba3$e35a61e0$c73ffea9@ELNred735i> I bought my 180 lens about 3 years ago, and it has a serial number only 800 later than yours. So about 1996-97-98 is right. Frank Filippone red735i@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:20:25 -0700 From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <39A180F9.C8B2FAB5@worldnet.att.net> QWhoZeiss@aol.com wrote: > > Ernst Wildi and Hasselblad , thinks Dick Werner 9V battery is a bomb waiting > to go off. What would you expect them to say? They want to sell you batteries or do expensive conversions. I have one fellow that 7 ELM's in use almost every day with this device and he has done so for many years now with no problems. DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR FROM HASSELBLAD!!!!!! -- _______________________________ Dick Werner 112 South Brighton St. Burbank, Ca., 91506 (818) 845-4667 helenadick@worldnet.att.net _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:46:48 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <01C00B87.056B4320@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> All the item supplying the power (in this case the battery) has to do is supply sufficient voltage and sufficient current. The original battery is 6V at 500MA. What battery do you use in your conversion? Any idea what the motor/circuitry in the ELM/ELX are rated for as far as voltage range and required current? In this case, I believe, if you use 6V worth of batteries, and they can supply the same (or sufficient) current, then there should be just no problem at all. ---------- From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:20 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX QWhoZeiss@aol.com wrote: > > Ernst Wildi and Hasselblad , thinks Dick Werner 9V battery is a bomb waiting > to go off. What would you expect them to say? They want to sell you batteries or do expensive conversions. I have one fellow that 7 ELM's in use almost every day with this device and he has done so for many years now with no problems. DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR FROM HASSELBLAD!!!!!! -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:03:14 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: When they say "a bomb waiting to go off" I suspect they are either = referring to the possibility of battery explosion or circuit failure. Battery selection is a fairly complex topic. I've had some experience = with battery selection in remotely piloted vehicles. If the batteries are = discharged or charged at too high a rate, they can very warm, catch fire = and/or explode, blowing a hole in the side of the model airplane. Battery design influences not only the total capacity, but also the = ability of the battery to deliver current at a high rate. In other words, = some 500mah batteries might tolerate a 250ma draw for two hours, other a = 1000ma draw for a half hour. In other words, cells are made with specific = "high draw" or "rapid charge" requirements in mind. I don't claim to be an expert on this, but I am aware that technical specs = for batteries differ. There is some interesting engineering data for NiMh = batteries at www.mahaenergy.com that addresses some of these topics. I = couldn't comment on the specifics of this 500 ELM/ELX application, as I am = not aware of either the technical specs of the batteries involved, or the = characteristics of the draw. I agree with you, that all the battery has to do is supply the voltage and = current, without damaging itself with what is sometimes called "thermal = runaway." Failure to supply the voltage and current required could also = have some negative effect, I suspect. Peter >>> austin@darkroom.com 08/21/00 03:46PM >>> All the item supplying the power (in this case the battery) has to do = is=20 supply sufficient voltage and sufficient current. The original battery = is=20 6V at 500MA. What battery do you use in your conversion? Any idea what the=20 motor/circuitry in the ELM/ELX are rated for as far as voltage range = and=20 required current? In this case, I believe, if you use 6V worth of batteries, and they can=20 supply the same (or sufficient) current, then there should be just no=20 problem at all. ---------- From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net=20 Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:20 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX QWhoZeiss@aol.com wrote: > > Ernst Wildi and Hasselblad , thinks Dick Werner 9V battery is a bomb=20 waiting > to go off. What would you expect them to say? They want to sell you batteries or do expensive conversions. I have one fellow that 7 ELM's in use almost every day with this device and he has done so for many years now with no problems. DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR FROM HASSELBLAD!!!!!! -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chris J. DiBona" To: Simon Lamb , hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: csocolow@mindspring.com, DKEITH@sarif.com Subject: Re: 180mm f/4 CF T* Message-ID: Honestly, there are a lot of used lenses without cracks available, I'd return it while you can instead of dealing with a lens that may be more suseptible to problems later on, even if it's perfectly a-ok right now. I mean, heting/cooling cycles could make that crack worse over time. Chris -- Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems | http://www.valinux.com President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group | http://www.svlug.org Grant Chair, Linux International. | http://www.li.org Co-editor, Open Sources | http://www.dibona.com On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Simon Lamb wrote: > Thanks to everyone who responded to my message regarding the 180mm lens. I > now have the lens and although it was described as mint there is one fault > on it. On the bottom of the focussing ring (end nearest camera) where there > is a smooth area about a half inch wide below the textured part, there is a > very thin crack that goes across the half inch width. Other than that the > lens is immaculate in every way apart from a small speck (looks like dust or > a mark on the coating) on one of the inside elements which I am not too > bothered about as it should not affect image quality. > > The lens has obviously had a ding but I do not know how hard or whether it > could have affected the internal elements. Does anyone have any knowledge > regarding how easy it is to make a small crack in the focussing ring (or in > the type of material used on the lens)? That is to say would it need to be > a substantial and very hard knock or does the material crack easily with a > softer knock. Are the Zeiss lenses sufficiently robust that the internals > would not be affected? > > I only have experience of dinging Leica M lenses and Nikon F lenses. Of > course, buying a used, and pre-dinged lens, does mean I can get on and use > it rather than overly protecting it. Just hope some people on the list can > provide any information as to whether I might be getting into dangerous > water with a lens where part of the barrel has a small crack. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Simon > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:13:02 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <01C00B8A.C0C9B1D0@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> > Battery selection is a fairly complex topic. I've had some experience with > battery selection in remotely piloted vehicles. If the batteries are discharged > or charged at too high a rate, they can very warm, catch fire and/or explode, > blowing a hole in the side of the model airplane. Yes, but that is battery charging. I believe the solution offered by DW is an Alkaline battery(s), and is not rechargeable, so I only was talking about discharge. The trick is to NOT plug the charging adapter in... > Battery design influences not only the total capacity, but also the ability of > the battery to deliver current at a high rate. In other words, some 500mah > batteries might tolerate a 250ma draw for two hours, other a 1000ma draw for > a half hour. In other words, cells are made with specific "high draw" or "rapid > charge" requirements in mind. You are correct, different technologies have different discharge rates, and NiCads are one of the highest of the current rechargeable technologies, that is why R/C cars use them. Alkaline have a relatively high discharge rate too, and I am sure are sufficient for this applications. > Failure to supply the voltage and current required could also have some > negative effect, I suspect. I thought about that, but I don't believe that is applicable in this application. There is no cutoff for the original NiCads, and they drain down very far...and I'm sure most people run them until the motor doesn't move any more. NiCads have a very steep fall off when they are at the end, Alkalines aren't as steep, but I believe they are steep enough... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:25:00 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: SWC on moon missions? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000821162413.0097a8d0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 12:03 AM 8/19/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >From the official Apollo 12 & 13 mission reports--No SWC Hasselblad were on >board. This report can be gotten from NASA. See http://hasselblad.se/the_company/space_camera.html & http://hasselblad.se/the_company/space_moon.html regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:32:49 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000821162906.009715e0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 12:05 AM 8/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for a small (no flash meter needed) carry around meter. The Minolta AutoMeter III might suit you, if you can locate one. regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:38 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Message-ID: <39A196D1.67A17876@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > > At 12:05 AM 8/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I am looking for a small (no flash meter needed) carry around meter. > > The Minolta AutoMeter III might suit you, if you can locate one. > is that both reflective and ambient? Markwr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:57:22 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: Austin, The reports of explosion where both on charge and discharge. In specific, = if you got a stalled motor or short with some nicads, the drain could = cause battery explosion in flight, with associated loss of control. A = dead short is a heavy draw. Was I clear in explaining that not all NiCads are the same? Several years = ago, the special high rate cells were called the "sintered cells" whatever = that meant. I understand that the nicads can be countoured to the = application draw. Did the engineering data at www.mahaenergy.com make = sense? I thought the "standing drain" aspects of their reports were = interesting. Peter >>> austin@darkroom.com 08/21/00 04:13PM >>> > If the batteries are discharged or charged at too high a rate, they = can ... Yes, but that is battery charging ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:03:50 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: "Wisawa Sripungwiwat" , Subject: Re: Focus Screen Adapter Standard VS. SWC Message-ID: <005801c00bb3$4feda600$6bdbf1c3@qnu99> Wisawa Sripungwiwat wrote (in tiny letters): > I would like to use focusing screen adapter with my 501CM and 903SWC . > According to Hasselblad brochure, standard adpter #41057 cannot be used with > SWC and SWC adapter # 41050 can only be used with 90x SWC. Is it true > because I don't want to buy both. Can I use the standard adapter with both > 501CM and 903SWC. What is the difference between these two adapters except > spirit level? Any comments would be appreciated. > > The reason why I want to use the adapter with 501CM is another story. You should be able to use the standard adapter (41050) with both the SWC and 501 CM cameras. No problem. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:08:02 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <006501c00bb3$e5831b00$6bdbf1c3@qnu99> Austin Franklin wrote: > I don't know that it has to be THIS lense... I believe the blocks are done > on a year by year basis.. No, the blocks are done on a job basis. Next job (whatever it is) gets the next block of serial numbers assigned to it. But yes, if you could find another type of lens with a serial number very close to the number of this one, chances are good that the date of manufacture will be close as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:10:29 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <001301c00bb4$3c9d3b50$0100a8c0@paolopent> As the owner of a few commercial websites, I get inundated by spam, like Mr. Cardish. I too did not consider Mr. Posner's request to vote for B&H spam, but rather was happy to vote for him, since I consider B&H the best site for photographic supplies in the world. The value that Mr. Posner delivers here, and in other newsgroups exceeds by far the fleck of inconvenience that his message may have caused. Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Q.G. de Bakker [mailto:qnu@worldonline.nl] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:32 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please COHIBA7@aol.com wrote: > > Heck, he's getting more press from the controversy ;-) > > > Right you are Austin...ANY news is good news! > > As for commercialism...folks here do sell (and I have purchased) the > occasional Hassy "necessity!" Have a look at the guidelines of this group: "It is not acceptable for people to use the list to conduct a business in the sale of camera equipment. However, it is acceptable for individuals occasionally to post advertisements to sell cameras, and very much acceptable for individuals to post requests to buy cameras." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:25 +0000 From: simon@sclamb.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: red735i@earthlink.net Subject: RE: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: <200008212129.RAA06957@sphmraaa.compuserve.com> Thanks to Frank and to everyone else who responded to my quest to determine the age of my lens. It seems that Zeiss have the same attitude as Leica in that they do not keep track of serial numbers or are unwilling to provide them if they do. As you said Frank, my 180 should be a bit older than yours, so perhaps 1996/7. I think it would be useful to have a register of serial number and the year of production, especially when purchasing used equipment. It is always nice to know the history of ones equipment, especially its age. It would also act as an additional check to ensure that the age being represented by the dealer/private seller is indeed accurate. I know there are some peope who are trying hard on our behalf to provide such information. Thanks again for all responses. Simon Frank Filippone wrote: >I bought my 180 lens about 3 years ago, and it has a serial >number only 800 later than yours. So about 1996-97-98 is >right. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:35:49 -0400 From: Marc James Small To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: red735i@earthlink.net Subject: RE: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000821173549.007ee460@pop.roanoke.infi.net> At 10:25 PM 8/21/2000 +0000, simon@sclamb.com wrote: >I know there are some peope who are trying hard on our >behalf to provide such information. Thank you! Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:02:34 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <01C00B96.40073CF0@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> Agreed, but the retrofit replaces the original NiCad batteries with Alkalines, so what NiCads do or don't do isn't relevant to the suitability of the retrofit. Simple, but effective, overcurrent protection is a fuse...which the ELM has... ---------- From: Peter Klosky Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 4:57 PM To: austin@darkroom.com; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Austin, The reports of explosion where both on charge and discharge. In specific, if you got a stalled motor or short with some nicads, the drain could cause battery explosion in flight, with associated loss of control. A dead short is a heavy draw. Was I clear in explaining that not all NiCads are the same? Several years ago, the special high rate cells were called the "sintered cells" whatever that meant. I understand that the nicads can be countoured to the application draw. Did the engineering data at www.mahaenergy.com make sense? I thought the "standing drain" aspects of their reports were interesting. Peter >>> austin@darkroom.com 08/21/00 04:13PM >>> > If the batteries are discharged or charged at too high a rate, they can ... Yes, but that is battery charging ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:04:58 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: SWC on moon missions? Message-ID: <01C00B96.418E2B10@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> Henry, Are you saying there were or weren't SWx Hasselblads on the Moon, or just adding more info? Neither of your URLs says anything about SWxs on the Moon... I believe it's generally agreed they were in Space, but not on the Moon. Regards, Austin ---------- > >From the official Apollo 12 & 13 mission reports--No SWC Hasselblad were on >board. This report can be gotten from NASA. See http://hasselblad.se/the_company/space_camera.html & http://hasselblad.se/the_company/space_moon.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:07:35 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Message-ID: <01C00B96.42A54060@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> Thanks all those who replied, but my search is over, I bought a Gossen Luna-Pro digital yesterday...and it appears to be very very nice! I will take a look at this meter though, can never have enough meters, or Hasselblads ;-) ---------- From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 4:32 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... At 12:05 AM 8/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for a small (no flash meter needed) carry around meter. The Minolta AutoMeter III might suit you, if you can locate one. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:46:26 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: SWC on moon missions? Message-ID: <00eb01c00bb9$429525e0$6bdbf1c3@qnu99> Austin Franklin wrote: > Are you saying there were or weren't SWx Hasselblads on the Moon, or just > adding more info? Neither of your URLs says anything about SWxs on the > Moon... I believe it's generally agreed they were in Space, but not on the > Moon. Have a look at the "space log" page. It lists all Hasselblad equipment used on the surface of the moon. And no, no SWCs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:52:37 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <66.6bf0d4b.26d2fea5@aol.com> I remember there is a way to tell the age of a CF lens from the code stenciled onto the light baffle by the rear element or rear lens mount. Perhaps somebody remembers how to decipher them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:17:33 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: <01C00B9D.279F5BA0@user-2ive1ta.dialup.mindspring.com> This was Rick Nordin's post on this subject: The codes on the CF lenses are a great help to the data obsessed among us! I had been trying to compile a table for CF lenses similar to the one for the C and older lenses that are in the Hasselblad Compendium - for the second edition. I spent a lot of time compiling CF serial numbers and only recently realized the significance of the ink stamp on the light baffle on the back. Unfortunately, I never routinely recorded those numbers as I didn't know what they represented. There are 4 digit codes on the later C lenses (at least mid seventies and later) that I've not deciphered. The last two digits seem to be a month code - never seem to be higher than 12, but I have no idea how to interpret the first two digits. Any suggestions??? Anyone want to contribute serial numbers and baffle numbers and we can do a group code breaking exercise? I don't know what the significance of the last letter of the code is on the CF lenses. I think that Ernie G's explanation is probably a plausible as anything else I've heard. If anyone else has information, I'm sure everyone (who are interested in this sort of thing!) would like to hear more. As Ernie says, and Marc Small has reiterated, it is very difficult to get answers to these kind of questions from Zeiss or Hasselblad. They are hesitant to reveal too much about production and manufacturing matters (understandable). ---------- From: InfinityDT@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 5:52 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Serial numbers I remember there is a way to tell the age of a CF lens from the code stenciled onto the light baffle by the rear element or rear lens mount. Perhaps somebody remembers how to decipher them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:20:35 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <39A1AB33.2A5CA07F@gate.net> Anyone who has been to the new B and H on 9th avenue in N.Y. will tll you that it is a wonderful store w/very knowledgeable staff. I love the store. The merchandise is always fresh and IN STOCK. The prices are almost as good as Smile Photo. B and H is my favorite. Just don't go there on Shabbot or any of the important Jewish holidays. It does not compare in any way whatsoever to 47th Street Photo. MB Lynda B wrote: > > SPAM isn't measured by amount but by content. > > If you are so popular, why do you need our vote? > > > > Hey, that was downright nasty... > > Henry, I voted for you. B&H is a great store.. I was in New York recently > and stopped by. What a great place, and the prices are incredible. An > honest photo store (almost like an oxymoron...eh?). > > I don't think his post was worthy of all this grumbling... > > -Lynda > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:52:44 EDT From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <4a.9e91ca3.26d30cbc@aol.com> R.L, Totally agree with you. Henry, B&H got my vote for quality and pricing. And on more than one occassion, Henry has answered my questions on this Hasselblad Group. Cordially, Bob R. (PREMIER - Chicago) [bobr38@aol.com] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:39:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Monaghan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: personally, I'm finding the table of C lens sales quite fascinating, as it provides an insight into buying and usage patterns for medium format SLRs; one observation is that 85% of the lenses sold were the 80mm/50mm/150mm trio that the 80mm was over half the lenses sold belies its lack of popularity among many pros and serious amateurs, but presumably reflects marketing kits it would be interesting to see shifts in lens sales by focal length over time finally, it is a bit humbling to realize that many of the lenses discussed or debated here are selling only a few copies of the lens per week in the USA or even worldwide. Brings home the relatively limited size of the medium format market and the players therein rather directly... * Robert Monaghan POB752182 Dallas Tx 75275-2182 rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu * * Medium Format Cameras: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/index.html megasite* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:50:15 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: film and heat Message-ID: <39A1C037.6A507175@rabiner.cncoffice.com> > As for camera equipment, leaving it in the car is, if nothing > else, a security risk. I put my backup gear under the trunk mat, in the > wheel opening around the spare tire. Most thieves don't want to spend a lot > of time poking around, they'll just grab what's in plain sight. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You probably have some points that I don't know about on the heat thing. Much of my "go where I go" policy is because of the security issue as well as keeping my gear and disposables "comfortable." Insurance is great but I love my particular stuff and don't need the stress of a rip off. All this baking of film not hurting it is sure news to me. Is this a new development? Mark William Rabiner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:55:51 EDT From: QWhoZeiss@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: <70.25ad593.26d31b87@aol.com> Right--don't believe anything or everything you hear from Hasselblad--or from any after market supplier!!! For what only $50.00 , what a deal. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:33:01 EDT From: Anonpsych@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: RE: RE: Serial numbers Message-ID: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:39:40 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Cc: kswong@sp.ml.com Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <39A1D9DC.E54F29AB@gate.net> Does anyone know (for certain) where I can purchase a BERLEBACH tripod in the U.S.? Thanks MB Peter Klosky wrote: > KS, > > I didn't know the mamiya 645 had a 50mm. I thought there line had a 45mm (really fuzzy) and a 55 (pretty good.) But then again, I'm always learning. Myself, I've done okay with my 50mm, but I always try to get a high vantage point and level the camera, even if it means loosing a lot of the frame to foreground. > > Peter > > >>> kswong@sp.ml.com 08/18/00 11:03PM >>> > Tom wrote: > < or 7 other bodies and about 10 backs. Do you set the film at 1/3 of a stop > more to compensate for neg film over slide. By the way.. .one mistake. I > have fe lenses. 110 fe 2.0 and 60-120 zoom. Thanks tom >> > > No, I do not compensate for the 1/3 stop more which I set it exactly as the > film speed. I have FE lens 50, 150 and 350 and 1.4 mutar. The only CFE is > the 80. I used Fuji Velvia ISO 50. I used the same film on my Mamiya 645 > shooting on same subjects against the Hassy system. The result is Hassy > better than Mamiya BUT there is only one big difference in output with the > 50mm. Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does > not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the > same tripod. > > I had to be careful about the 50 lens as group pictures are fine but not > with buildings. > > KS > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:10:17 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: Just wondering, but what does the retrofit consist of, in detail? >>> austin@darkroom.com 08/21/00 05:02PM >>> The retrofit replaces the original NiCad batteries with Alkalines ... ------------------------------ Date: 22 Aug 2000 02:13:32 -0000 From: "Roger Urban" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <20000822021332.6210.qmail@viebrock.chek.com> Calumet carries it. Got mine from them. Might be listed at their web site, http://www.calumetphoto.com On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:39:40 -0400 Marcober wrote: >Does anyone know (for certain) where I can purchase a BERLEBACH tripod in the U.S.? >Thanks >MB > >Peter Klosky wrote: > >> KS, >> >> I didn't know the mamiya 645 had a 50mm. I thought there line had a 45mm (really fuzzy) and a 55 (pretty good.) But then again, I'm always learning. Myself, I've done okay with my 50mm, but I always try to get a high vantage point and level the camera, even if it means loosing a lot of the frame to foreground. >> >> Peter >> >> >>> kswong@sp.ml.com 08/18/00 11:03PM >>> >> Tom wrote: >> <> or 7 other bodies and about 10 backs. Do you set the film at 1/3 of a stop >> more to compensate for neg film over slide. By the way.. .one mistake. I >> have fe lenses. 110 fe 2.0 and 60-120 zoom. Thanks tom >> >> >> No, I do not compensate for the 1/3 stop more which I set it exactly as the >> film speed. I have FE lens 50, 150 and 350 and 1.4 mutar. The only CFE is >> the 80. I used Fuji Velvia ISO 50. I used the same film on my Mamiya 645 >> shooting on same subjects against the Hassy system. The result is Hassy >> better than Mamiya BUT there is only one big difference in output with the >> 50mm. Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does >> not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the >> same tripod. >> >> I had to be careful about the 50 lens as group pictures are fine but not >> with buildings. >> >> KS >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. >> >> To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >> Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > hey. sign up for a free bigdeal email account (yourname@bigdeal.com). you get updates on specials, promos, news and other junk- you can sign up at http://www.bigdeal.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:50:13 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, mjr@nfr.net Subject: Re: flash sync insanity Message-ID: <11.83bd1e4.26d34465@aol.com> The input implies that it DOES fire when the film magazine is empty. If that is true, it's truly a strange occurance. Are you using THE EXACT SAME CABLE on the Hasselblad & 35mm? Have you tried another flash with the Hasselblad? The film should have nothing to do with it (as far as I can see). David G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:53:38 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <39A1EB32.F177D061@gate.net> Thanks Roger, I will call them tomorrow MB Roger Urban wrote: > Calumet carries it. Got mine from them. Might be listed at their web site, http://www.calumetphoto.com > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:39:40 -0400 Marcober wrote: > >Does anyone know (for certain) where I can purchase a BERLEBACH tripod in the U.S.? > >Thanks > >MB > > > >Peter Klosky wrote: > > > >> KS, > >> > >> I didn't know the mamiya 645 had a 50mm. I thought there line had a 45mm (really fuzzy) and a 55 (pretty good.) But then again, I'm always learning. Myself, I've done okay with my 50mm, but I always try to get a high vantage point and level the camera, even if it means loosing a lot of the frame to foreground. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> >>> kswong@sp.ml.com 08/18/00 11:03PM >>> > >> Tom wrote: > >> < >> or 7 other bodies and about 10 backs. Do you set the film at 1/3 of a stop > >> more to compensate for neg film over slide. By the way.. .one mistake. I > >> have fe lenses. 110 fe 2.0 and 60-120 zoom. Thanks tom >> > >> > >> No, I do not compensate for the 1/3 stop more which I set it exactly as the > >> film speed. I have FE lens 50, 150 and 350 and 1.4 mutar. The only CFE is > >> the 80. I used Fuji Velvia ISO 50. I used the same film on my Mamiya 645 > >> shooting on same subjects against the Hassy system. The result is Hassy > >> better than Mamiya BUT there is only one big difference in output with the > >> 50mm. Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does > >> not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the > >> same tripod. > >> > >> I had to be careful about the 50 lens as group pictures are fine but not > >> with buildings. > >> > >> KS > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >> > >> To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >> Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > hey. sign up for a free bigdeal email account (yourname@bigdeal.com). you get updates on specials, promos, news and other junk- you can sign up at http://www.bigdeal.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:19:43 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: film and heat Message-ID: Many years ago (with an older emulsion of Vericolor), I left some very important exposed (but unprocessed) negatives with a relative while I was gone on vacation. I was gone for a month (my honeymoon), during which time Los Angeles had one of its worst heat waves ever. The film was sitting unprotected in a back bedroom (I forgot to warn them that Vericolor likes to be kept cool), and probably saw 90-100+ degrees during the better part of the month. When I returned, I had the film processed and the COLORS seemed to be OK, but the GRAIN was much larger and easily noticeable in 4x6" proofs. New emulsions probably react much differently, but I would NEVER do that again. -David Gerhardt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:32:49 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please Message-ID: <4e.a1772f3.26d34e61@aol.com> In a message dated 8/21/00 9:42:47 AM, COHIBA7@aol.com writes: << IMHO, Henry's initial post asking the members of this group to give his store a nod, was not out of line >> I concur completely. Certainly I've been occasionally upset by some of the postings, but not by Henry's! This forum is a tremendous resource for folks, worldwide. Let's keep it a friendly place to share information & opinions regarding Hasselblad cameras. Sincerely, David Gerhardt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:10:46 -0400 From: "Bruce Wilson" To: Subject: RE: 500 ELM/ELX Message-ID: Besides the revenue reasons for selling a factory conversion kit, Hassy is probably concerned that the original motor is expecting to see five (rather small) 1.2 volt NiCad cells in series, for a total of 6.0 volts. Unless Dick has added a current limiter of some kind, replacing the old battery with a 9 volt alkaline battery could increase the current through the motor by as much as 50% and also increase the inductive kick on the internal switch, which can pit the surfaces of the switch due to increased arcing. That said, the current capacity of a 9 volt alkaline battery (itself made up of six small 1.4 volt cells in series) is relatively small. It can't deliver more than 9 "Flash Amps" to a dead short (versus 18 Amps for a AA Nicad), so things just might be taking care of themselves, despite the higher voltage. Those who want to be conservative can run the 9 volt battery down a little before using it. The risks of someone accidently charging a 9 volt alkaline battery has some consequences. Charging an alkaline battery for a short time is pretty harmless, especially if the charger is voltage regulated and has low current output. Charging an alkaline battery by mistake for HOURS at HIGH CURRENT is not a good idea, and if the battery overheats it will probably blow its internal vent and dump its toxic guts all over the insides of the winder. An "explosion" of the battery is possible but unlikely unless its vent is clogged or venting hydrogen gas is ignited by a spark. Might be a good precaution to clearly label the winder to warn any photo assistants who aren't aware! -----Original Message----- From: QWhoZeiss@AOL.COM [mailto:QWhoZeiss@AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:45 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 500 ELM/ELX Ernst Wildi and Hasselblad , thinks Dick Werner 9V battery is a bomb waiting to go off. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 100 19:57:03 +0800 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: film and heat Message-ID: <39A1898E.MD-0.198.bartek@pdai.com> On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:31:31 -0500, Tom Miller wrote: > Could someone tell me what kind of effects heat would have on fuji 220 film > 800 iso left in a car during the heat of a summer day in texas for 5 hours. Well, I can tell you want happened to Fuji Astia 100 and Fuji NPS films in a camera bag (and in a camera) carried in the heat of the desert (115 degrees F) in direct sunlight on a photo assignment for most of the day. Nothing. I noticed no color shifts or other degradations. If the film was in your camera bag or something similar and not in direct sunlight in your car, I doubt there would be any noticeable degradation. Why don't you process a roll and see? -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #965 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html