hasselblad Wed, 23 Aug 2000 Volume 1 : Number 966 In this issue: Re: Serial numbers Re: Serial numbers Re: Serial numbers FS 105 UV Sonnar FW: ~FLEXBODY~ IS ANYBODY GETTING THIS QUESTION? NOBODY'S REPLYED ! Re: hasselblad V1 #965 Re: Serial numbers Re: ~FLEXBODY~ IS ANYBODY GETTING THIS QUESTION? NOBODY'S REPLYED! Re: Serial numbers Re: vote for B&H, please [OT] Re: Serial numbers Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Re: Quality Zeiss Biogon 38 vs Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon 35(ArcBod y) Re: SV: 903swc vs 40mm. Re: vote for B&H, please [OT] RE: Spam RE: vote for B&H, please [OT] Mismatched inserts RE: Mismatched inserts Re: Mismatched inserts Re: hassy 203fe question RE: hassy 203fe question Re: Mismatched inserts Re: hasselblad V1 #965 Re: Serial numbers Cheers for the FlexBody!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:14:50 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <000001c00c13$3b471500$a8c7f1c3@qnu99> Austin Franklin wrote: > The codes on the CF lenses are a great help to the data obsessed among us! > I had been trying to compile a table for CF lenses similar to the one for > the C and older lenses that are in the Hasselblad Compendium - for the > second edition. I spent a lot of time compiling CF serial numbers and only > recently realized the significance of the ink stamp on the light baffle on > the back. Unfortunately, I never routinely recorded those numbers as I > didn't know what they represented. There are 4 digit codes on the later C > lenses (at least mid seventies and later) that I've not deciphered. The > last two digits seem to be a month code - never seem to be higher than 12, > but I have no idea how to interpret the first two digits. Any > suggestions??? Anyone want to contribute serial numbers and baffle numbers > and we can do a group code breaking exercise? > > I don't know what the significance of the last letter of the code is on the > CF lenses. I think that Ernie G's explanation is probably a plausible as > anything else I've heard. If anyone else has information, I'm sure everyone > (who are interested in this sort of thing!) would like to hear more. As > Ernie says, and Marc Small has reiterated, it is very difficult to get > answers to these kind of questions from Zeiss or Hasselblad. They are > hesitant to reveal too much about production and manufacturing matters > (understandable). What was Ernie G's explanation? I had a look at the one letter and two digit number code on the baffle of my CFs, and it seems plausible that the letter would indicate the month of manufacture, and the two digit number could be a backward representation of the year of manufacture (e.g. F 28 would be June 1982, L 68 would be December '86, etc.). It seems to be correct on all my lenses, but that, of course, could just be coïncidence. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:40 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <001501c00c14$ef02a0e0$650a0a0a@slamb> Robert I think the reason that so few unit are sold of some of the lenses debated here is due to three things. Firstly, medium format is a relatively expensive format to get into and stay in, when compared to 35mm at least. A new 180mm CFi is 2,200 UK pounds (3,520 dollars) which is about twice the price of a Leica 90mm APO ASPH, and albeit there will be those who now shoot me down in flames, I do not believe there is much real world difference in the quality of the glass - they are both tack sharp, too sharp perhaps for portrait work. Secondly, albeit there is a difference in quality between a 35mm neg taken with a Leica with a 90mm lens versus a 6x6 neg taken on a Hasselblad with a 180mm lens, if one is looking at enlargements of 10x8 the improving 35mm film technology coupled with lens design makes the difference in the final print ever diminishing. Still there as I said, but definitely getting closer. The third and most obvious reason for limited sales is that there are far more amateurs in the world than pros and they do not tend to buy medium format, at least not to start with. I am sure that when they do, the legendary, and therefore expensive, Zeiss glass is not top of the purchasing list. Indeed, I only bought the 180 because it was a deal I could not refuse. It cost 1,000 UK pounds (1,600 dollars) which is less than half the price of a new CFi version. I do not think the medium format market is of limited size. It is as big as it can get and, certainly in the UK, equipment such as the Bronica ETRSi is providing considerable growth in the MF market. There is one dealer near me who in one week sold twice as many ETRSis as he did Nikon and Canon 35mms. Simon "Robert Monaghan wrote: SNIP: > finally, it is a bit humbling to realize that many of the lenses > discussed or debated here are selling only a few copies of the lens per > week in the USA or even worldwide. Brings home the relatively limited > size of the medium format market and the players therein rather directly... > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:38:55 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <8.94c5dd4.26d3ce5f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/22/00 4:44:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, simon@sclamb.com writes: << Firstly, medium format is a relatively expensive format to get into and stay in, when compared to 35mm at least. A new 180mm CFi is 2,200 UK pounds (3,520 dollars) which is about twice the price of a Leica 90mm APO ASPH, and albeit there will be those who now shoot me down in flames, I do not believe there is much real world difference in the quality of the glass - they are both tack sharp, too sharp perhaps for portrait work. Secondly, albeit there is a difference in quality between a 35mm neg taken with a Leica with a 90mm lens versus a 6x6 neg taken on a Hasselblad with a 180mm lens, if one is looking at enlargements of 10x8 the improving 35mm film technology coupled with lens design makes the difference in the final print ever diminishing. Still there as I said, but definitely getting closer. >> When you stop to consider that a medium format lens needs to perform over a much larger image circle than a 35mm-format lens it is reasonable to expect to pay a price premium for comparable performance. Add to that the fact that with the CF lenses you're also buying a shutter with the lens. As a user of Leica rangefinder cameras (more for their size than optics) I've often been chided by Leica fanatics for preferring Nikons to Leica SLRs, and my answer is always that once I give up the technological advantages of the Nikon and pay a huge price premium solely on the basis of seeking the ultimate in absolute image quality, it only makes sense to skip straight up to medium format and Zeiss-lensed Hasselblads. So to the second point, I would agree that slow, fine-grained 35mm film shot with the best of lenses can come very close to Hasselblad images on faster film at enlargements up to even 11x14. However no matter what the enlargement size, if the same shot is taken on the same film with lenses of comparable performance characteristics, medium format will always show more detail. There is no way short of breaking the laws of physics that the difference can ever diminish. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:11:01 -0400 From: RMG To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: FS 105 UV Sonnar Message-ID: <39A27BE5.8C9EC770@dreamscape.com> I would like to thak everyone for their opinions as to the worth and fate of this lens. I printed every response and shared them with the owner. This lens was owned by a very talented and gifted research scientist, who pioneered the way for the computer industry. While this probably has no effect on the worth of the lens, we thought some people can appreciate the history behind such items. After considering the many factors concerning this lens, we are offering the lens for $5000. Based on or research, this is a fair price. I have decided to offer this lens here first, since everyone was so helpful. I would appreciate spreading the word. We will target scientific/ research areas next. If you are interested in the lens, please send me an email I am sure this post will generate many responses about the price. Unless someone is serious about purchasing the lens, the price shouldn't concern them. Like many of you said, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay! My goal is to find that someone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:47:46 -0500 From: "WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB)" To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: FW: ~FLEXBODY~ IS ANYBODY GETTING THIS QUESTION? NOBODY'S REPLYED ! Message-ID: <41D2696EE385D0118DE90020AFFC1E5C063FD621@jsc-ems-mbs09.jsc.nasa.gov> I'M NOT SURE IF MY CONNECTION IS WORKING. CAN SOME ONE PLEASE REPLY SOMETHING BACK TO LET ME KNOW I'M GETTING THROUGH. I'VE SEN'T THIS QUESTION A FEW TIMES AND NO ONE HAS EVER REPLYED. THANKYOU-VERY-MUCH! :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:15 AM > To: WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) > Subject: FW: ~FLEXBODY~ > Importance: High > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:02 AM > To: 'hasselblad@kelvin.net' > Subject: ~FLEXBODY~ > Importance: High > > The FLEXBODY brochure shows a graph on what the limits of "shift" are on > most of the lenses. (1) Does this mean you have a full thirty degress of > "tilt" on all of the lenses? If I remember correctly, J.B. said that in > "most" situations you would only use about 5-10 degress of tilt. (2) Was > that on average for landscape or tabletop or both? (3) Can you use the > bellows extension and tilt at the same time or would it get racked out to > quickly to do both on macro work? (4) Is there any differance in the first > FLEXBODY and a brand new one that sells on the market today? (except for > that little round sticker that say's "open, close, expose", I don't think > the early generations had them) (5) If you owned both the 903SWC and a > FLEXBODY, when or how do you tell when you'll need the FLEXBODY over the > 903SWC for greater depth of field. Keeping in mind that (a) Hasselblad > states that the 38 Biogon has "staggering" depth of field (b) you can use > different focal lenths of lenses with the FLEXBODY. (6) If you turn the > Flexbody on it's side, does that mean you have a swing movement? Thankyou > for all of your input everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:46:17 -0400 From: "Marcus J. Ranum" To: Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #965 Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000822094321.00a74d90@fraggle.nfr.net> At 12:08 AM 8/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >The input implies that it DOES fire when the film magazine is empty. If that >is true, it's truly a strange occurance. Yes, it does. It also fires correctly when the back is off the camera but the lens is still mounted. In fact, it fires fine when I take the lens off the body and trip the shutter manually. >Are you using THE EXACT SAME CABLE on the Hasselblad & 35mm? Yup. >Have you tried another flash with the Hasselblad? No, but I will when I get home. Someone suggested that I have the polarity on my flash cable backwards; I'm checking that, too. >The film should have nothing to do with it (as far as I can see). Me either! It's really perplexing. The main reason I posted about it (this problem is kind of embarrassing!) was because I was so stumped and frustrated. This should not be happening. Right now I'm ready to conclude that it is/was a fluke. I'm expecting that when I go back and try it it'll work correctly because nothing else makes sense... mjr. ----- Marcus J. Ranum Chief Technology Officer, Network Flight Recorder, Inc. Work: http://www.nfr.net Personal: http://www.ranum.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:18:44 +0800 From: Chris LI To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000822214150.00c21470@pop.netvigator.com> At 05:52 PM 2000/8/21 -0400, you wrote: Below is an extract from Hasselblad UK News issue No. 29 January 2000. Perhaps list members may find the information useful:- "How old is yours? In the case of Zeiss lenses this information was not made available until the release of CF type lenses in 1982. From this date, the year of manufacture can be found printed as 2 numbers within the rear barrel and adjacent to the rear optic. These numbers are reversed resulting in 28 representing the year 1982 and are accompanied by a letter, which simply represents further manufacturing data." Regards, Chris LI >I remember there is a way to tell the age of a CF lens from the code >stenciled onto the light baffle by the rear element or rear lens mount. >Perhaps somebody remembers how to decipher them. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing >list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, >or affiliates. > >To change your subscription status, go to: >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:23:06 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: ~FLEXBODY~ IS ANYBODY GETTING THIS QUESTION? NOBODY'S REPLYED! Message-ID: <013a01c00c44$7dfe2150$650a0a0a@slamb> I got through. Sorry I can't help though. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB)" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:47 PM Subject: FW: ~FLEXBODY~ IS ANYBODY GETTING THIS QUESTION? NOBODY'S REPLYED! > > I'M NOT SURE IF MY CONNECTION IS WORKING. CAN SOME ONE PLEASE REPLY > SOMETHING BACK TO LET ME KNOW I'M GETTING THROUGH. I'VE SEN'T THIS QUESTION > A FEW TIMES AND NO ONE HAS EVER REPLYED. THANKYOU-VERY-MUCH! :o) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:15 AM > > To: WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) > > Subject: FW: ~FLEXBODY~ > > Importance: High > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) > > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:02 AM > > To: 'hasselblad@kelvin.net' > > Subject: ~FLEXBODY~ > > Importance: High > > > > The FLEXBODY brochure shows a graph on what the limits of "shift" are on > > most of the lenses. (1) Does this mean you have a full thirty degress of > > "tilt" on all of the lenses? If I remember correctly, J.B. said that in > > "most" situations you would only use about 5-10 degress of tilt. (2) Was > > that on average for landscape or tabletop or both? (3) Can you use the > > bellows extension and tilt at the same time or would it get racked out to > > quickly to do both on macro work? (4) Is there any differance in the first > > FLEXBODY and a brand new one that sells on the market today? (except for > > that little round sticker that say's "open, close, expose", I don't think > > the early generations had them) (5) If you owned both the 903SWC and a > > FLEXBODY, when or how do you tell when you'll need the FLEXBODY over the > > 903SWC for greater depth of field. Keeping in mind that (a) Hasselblad > > states that the 38 Biogon has "staggering" depth of field (b) you can use > > different focal lenths of lenses with the FLEXBODY. (6) If you turn the > > Flexbody on it's side, does that mean you have a swing movement? Thankyou > > for all of your input everyone. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:32:15 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <015601c00c45$c4dba6a0$650a0a0a@slamb> Chris Many thanks. My lens has 89 on it so it is a 1998 manufacture by that logic. Nwere than I thought, so good news. Simon Chris LI wrote: > > Below is an extract from Hasselblad UK News issue No. 29 January > 2000. Perhaps list members may find the information useful:- > > "How old is yours? > > In the case of Zeiss lenses this information was not made available until > the release of CF type lenses in 1982. From this date, the year of > manufacture can be found printed as 2 numbers within the rear barrel and > adjacent to the rear optic. These numbers are reversed resulting in 28 > representing the year 1982 and are accompanied by a letter, which simply > represents further manufacturing data." > > Regards, > Chris LI > > > >I remember there is a way to tell the age of a CF lens from the code > >stenciled onto the light baffle by the rear element or rear lens mount. > >Perhaps somebody remembers how to decipher them. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing > >list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, > >or affiliates. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: > >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:42:05 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please [OT] Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000822104000.00bb3340@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:08 AM 08/22/2000, "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: >But Henry's post was in no way Hasselblad related. Perhaps you're right. If so I apologize for asking my online "friends" and acquaintances for a favor. I guess between the two you fall into the latter category. As to those in the former, thanks for your friendship. No reply necessary. My opinion, not my employer's. Henry Posner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:44:19 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <002301c00c47$74e12f60$15d8f1c3@qnu99> Chris LI wrote: > Below is an extract from Hasselblad UK News issue No. 29 January > 2000. Perhaps list members may find the information useful:- > > "How old is yours? > [...] Thanks Chris! It indeed is really usefull info! Regards. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:56:07 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Gossen Luna-Pro digital... Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000822105537.00bb8770@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:08 AM 08/22/2000, you wrote: > > The Minolta AutoMeter III might suit you, if you can locate one. > >is that both reflective and ambient? Yes, but you need the reflected light disc for reflected readings. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:02:13 +0100 From: Ian Goodrick To: Subject: Re: Quality Zeiss Biogon 38 vs Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon 35(ArcBod y) Message-ID: on 18/8/00 12:29 pm, WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) at david.r.williams2@jsc.nasa.gov wrote: > Ian, are you saying that the lens/system on the 35-ARC has equel sharpness > in the corners, equel contrast and depth of field (without using the tilt > fuction on the ARC)compared to the 903SWC(or even your older model 903) ?? > As I said originaly I have not done a head to head check so I can not say they are equaly sharp or equally contrasty. There is more light fall off with the 35mm ARC and the centre filter is essential. As for DOF the 35mm Arc has greater DOF than the SWC due to the shorter focal length of lens. -- Ian Goodrick goodrick@appleonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:02:13 +0100 From: Ian Goodrick To: Subject: Re: SV: 903swc vs 40mm. Message-ID: on 18/8/00 2:50 pm, Austin Franklin at austin@darkroom.com wrote: > That's all I do is hand held with it, and the bubble level works just fine. > You can see it at the same time as you are looking through the > viewfinder...a really brilliant setup! That would be one issue with the > 40...unless you brought along a separate bubble level...but you couldn't > see it in the viewfinder. > With a 45 degree viewfinder with a side attached level and using my right eye at the viewfinder and keeping my left eye open I can see the view and the level at the same time. It is not to hard as I have a dominant right eye and always view with this eye and do not close my left eye when looking through the camera. I have always thought this was an elegant bit of design by Hasselblad, and also one of the reasons why I have always had 45 degree prizm finders. -- Ian Goodrick goodrick@appleonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:23:17 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please [OT] Message-ID: <006601c00c55$64393c80$15d8f1c3@qnu99> Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video wrote: > Perhaps you're right. If so I apologize for asking my online "friends" and > acquaintances for a favor. You see, my dear acquaintance, it is in no way clear that you, Henry, the person, were asking your personal friends a personal favour when you ask them to "select B&H Photo [!] as "The Best Place to Find High-Tech Gadgets Results.". Is it? Even less so if you sign on as "Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video", and sign off as : "Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.". So, being honest, what did you expect me (or anyone else) to think? (And, being honest, was there in any way a marketing motive involved in you making this request?) > I guess between the two you fall into the latter > category. Oh dear... You're not angry at me, are you? >As to those in the former, thanks for your friendship. No reply > necessary. My opinion, not my employer's. So why not stop posting as employee? ;-) All i expected, and was hoping for, was this mailing list to be free from commercial activities, as stipulated in its guidelines. If i offended anyone by protesting to your 'request', i must aplogize. Sorry. If this kind of 'spam' is deemed acceptable, it is ok with me. I'll learn to ignore it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:07:27 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: vote for B&H, please [OT] Message-ID: <01C00C3A.6E4EFA40@user-2ive1r5.dialup.mindspring.com> > >As to those in the former, thanks for your friendship. No reply > > necessary. My opinion, not my employer's. > So why not stop posting as employee? ;-) Employee? I thought the "H" in "B&H" was Henry...isn't he one of the owners? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:55:41 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: Mismatched inserts Message-ID: <000801c00c51$704d1cc0$0100a8c0@paolopent> Oh cognoscenti, What's the story on mismatched backs for the A-12 backs. Is it an important,..., negligible point? Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [mailto:henryp@bhphotovideo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:42 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please [OT] At 03:08 AM 08/22/2000, "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: >But Henry's post was in no way Hasselblad related. Perhaps you're right. If so I apologize for asking my online "friends" and acquaintances for a favor. I guess between the two you fall into the latter category. As to those in the former, thanks for your friendship. No reply necessary. My opinion, not my employer's. Henry Posner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:11:54 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Mismatched inserts Message-ID: <01C00C42.F0BF2F10@user-2ive1r5.dialup.mindspring.com> Touchy subject (for some). It can mean nothing, and it can mean something. It depends on how mis-matched they are. The biggest overall negative, if you are selling one, is these backs don't fetch the same price as matched ones do...but if you're buying one, it's in your favor...if it's a good back. I'd suggest you ask John Kovacs at Hilton Command Exposure. He sees hundreds (if not thousands) of these backs...and I'm sure he'll have an opinion. His number is (603) 888-3684. ---------- From: Paolo Pignatelli Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:55 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Mismatched inserts Oh cognoscenti, What's the story on mismatched backs for the A-12 backs. Is it an important,..., negligible point? Paolo Paolo Pignatelli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:40:47 -0700 From: "Joe Codispoti" To: , Subject: Re: Mismatched inserts Message-ID: <00e701c00c68$7de585e0$2682e0d8@joecodis> I would not call myself a conoscente but I have used mismatched backs/inserts for years without any ill effects. True, Hasselblad "matches" each set but, with their exacting tolerances and standards of manufacture, there is no chance of problems in any set provided that the back and insert be made from the same series molds. Photographer using any brand of cameras make use of extra inserts with no apparent problems. IMO, matching the sets is a marketing ploy, very much like an artist numbers a set of prints. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:55 AM Subject: Mismatched inserts > Oh cognoscenti, > > What's the story on mismatched backs for the A-12 backs. Is it an > important,..., negligible point? > > Paolo > > Paolo Pignatelli > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [mailto:henryp@bhphotovideo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:42 AM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: vote for B&H, please [OT] > > > At 03:08 AM 08/22/2000, "Q.G. de Bakker" wrote: > >But Henry's post was in no way Hasselblad related. > > Perhaps you're right. If so I apologize for asking my online "friends" and > acquaintances for a favor. I guess between the two you fall into the latter > category. As to those in the former, thanks for your friendship. No reply > necessary. My opinion, not my employer's. > > Henry Posner > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:48:09 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: <39A31139.59990C7B@gate.net> I called Calumet today...they discontinued the entire line. Any other suggestions? MB Roger Urban wrote: > Calumet carries it. Got mine from them. Might be listed at their web site, http://www.calumetphoto.com > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:39:40 -0400 Marcober wrote: > >Does anyone know (for certain) where I can purchase a BERLEBACH tripod in the U.S.? > >Thanks > >MB > > > >Peter Klosky wrote: > > > >> KS, > >> > >> I didn't know the mamiya 645 had a 50mm. I thought there line had a 45mm (really fuzzy) and a 55 (pretty good.) But then again, I'm always learning. Myself, I've done okay with my 50mm, but I always try to get a high vantage point and level the camera, even if it means loosing a lot of the frame to foreground. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> >>> kswong@sp.ml.com 08/18/00 11:03PM >>> > >> Tom wrote: > >> < >> or 7 other bodies and about 10 backs. Do you set the film at 1/3 of a stop > >> more to compensate for neg film over slide. By the way.. .one mistake. I > >> have fe lenses. 110 fe 2.0 and 60-120 zoom. Thanks tom >> > >> > >> No, I do not compensate for the 1/3 stop more which I set it exactly as the > >> film speed. I have FE lens 50, 150 and 350 and 1.4 mutar. The only CFE is > >> the 80. I used Fuji Velvia ISO 50. I used the same film on my Mamiya 645 > >> shooting on same subjects against the Hassy system. The result is Hassy > >> better than Mamiya BUT there is only one big difference in output with the > >> 50mm. Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does > >> not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the > >> same tripod. > >> > >> I had to be careful about the 50 lens as group pictures are fine but not > >> with buildings. > >> > >> KS > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >> > >> To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >> Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > hey. sign up for a free bigdeal email account (yourname@bigdeal.com). you get updates on specials, promos, news and other junk- you can sign up at http://www.bigdeal.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:38:40 -0400 From: "Bruce Wilson" To: Subject: RE: hassy 203fe question Message-ID: Calumet sold their Berlebach inventory to Finger Lakes Photo Outfitters in upstate NY. Telephone: (315) 251-3661. Email: flpbks@localnet.com. That's where I bought mine. Berlebach can be reached in Germany in Mulda at 011 49 3 73 20 12 01. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Marcober [mailto:marcober@gate.net Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:48 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hassy 203fe question I called Calumet today...they discontinued the entire line. Any other suggestions? MB Roger Urban wrote: > Calumet carries it. Got mine from them. Might be listed at their web site, http://www.calumetphoto.com > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:39:40 -0400 Marcober wrote: > >Does anyone know (for certain) where I can purchase a BERLEBACH tripod in the U.S.? > >Thanks > >MB > > > >Peter Klosky wrote: > > > >> KS, > >> > >> I didn't know the mamiya 645 had a 50mm. I thought there line had a 45mm (really fuzzy) and a 55 (pretty good.) But then again, I'm always learning. Myself, I've done okay with my 50mm, but I always try to get a high vantage point and level the camera, even if it means loosing a lot of the frame to foreground. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> >>> kswong@sp.ml.com 08/18/00 11:03PM >>> > >> Tom wrote: > >> < >> or 7 other bodies and about 10 backs. Do you set the film at 1/3 of a stop > >> more to compensate for neg film over slide. By the way.. .one mistake. I > >> have fe lenses. 110 fe 2.0 and 60-120 zoom. Thanks tom >> > >> > >> No, I do not compensate for the 1/3 stop more which I set it exactly as the > >> film speed. I have FE lens 50, 150 and 350 and 1.4 mutar. The only CFE is > >> the 80. I used Fuji Velvia ISO 50. I used the same film on my Mamiya 645 > >> shooting on same subjects against the Hassy system. The result is Hassy > >> better than Mamiya BUT there is only one big difference in output with the > >> 50mm. Hassy tends to show tall buildings slanted via Mamiya on 645 does > >> not. Both shooting under same lighting conditions and distance using the > >> same tripod. > >> > >> I had to be careful about the 50 lens as group pictures are fine but not > >> with buildings. > >> > >> KS > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >> > >> To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >> Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > hey. sign up for a free bigdeal email account (yourname@bigdeal.com). you get updates on specials, promos, news and other junk- you can sign up at http://www.bigdeal.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:51:06 EDT From: AA2KF@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Mismatched inserts Message-ID: I have used a mismatched set with my A12, I agree that they are so well made that it does not matter. They sell for more when they are matched, thats it. Julio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:49:34 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #965 Message-ID: <42.9cb7a9a.26d495be@aol.com> In a message dated 8/22/00 6:49:40 AM, mjr@nfr.net writes: << Right now I'm ready to conclude that it is/was a fluke. I'm expecting that when I go back and try it it'll work correctly because nothing else makes sense... >> Very strange! Since you mentioned it DOES fire with no film in the back, the only thing I can think of is that there is some failure (or imminent failure) in the drive mechanism for the film. In other words, the additional drag of the film is enough to somehow "bind up" the shutter release or flash sync. This is really an interesting phenomena! Ah, heck. It STILL doesn't make sense! (have you tried sending a letter or email to Hasselblad directly? By now you're probably grasping at straws anyway!) -David Gerhardt ------------------------------ Date: 22 Aug 100 19:07:53 +0800 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Serial numbers Message-ID: <39A2CF88.MD-0.198.bartek@pdai.com> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:39:53 -0500 (CDT), Robert Monaghan wrote: > personally, I'm finding the table of C lens sales quite fascinating, as it > provides an insight into buying and usage patterns for medium format SLRs; Me, too; however these numbers can only show lens buying patterns, not their useage, per se. > > one observation is that 85% of the lenses sold were the 80mm/50mm/150mm trio Well, that combo is the "standard" kit for most shooters. (But, of course, not all.) So, it is only natural for it to constitute most of the lens sales. > > that the 80mm was over half the lenses sold belies its lack of popularity > among many pros and serious amateurs, but presumably reflects marketing kits That basic setup was also the cheapest way to get into the system, and the "kit" was sold like that for years. In fact, the 80 is the least expensive 'Blad lens. Good ol' volumn. Also, most of those who have come to me for advice on getting into medium format, in general, and Hasselblad, in particular, seem to think that you HAVE to have an 80. It's the Normal lens, after all! This is not necessarily true. I don't and have never owned an 80 or never needed one. When I first bought my basic system 16 years ago, I shot for several years using only a 60 (my "normal" lens) and a 150; and I was shooting commercially. > > it would be interesting to see shifts in lens sales by focal length over time I would like to see the correlation between the SWC variants and the 40, particularly as it relates to the 50. The SWC is a good next wide angle, if you have the 50; but the 40 is not. Its angle of view is not sufficiently wider (10 or so degrees, horizontally) than the 50 to make it useful or monetarily a good choice. This might account for the low numbers of 40Cs sold early on. Also, the fact that the original was a behemoth. > > finally, it is a bit humbling to realize that many of the lenses > discussed or debated here are selling only a few copies of the lens per > week in the USA or even worldwide. Brings home the relatively limited > size of the medium format market and the players therein rather directly... I myself was surprised at the total sales numbers, too. I expected there to be a lot more. Guess we are a more exclusive club than we thought. ;-) -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:31:13 -0700 From: Phil Lindsay To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Cheers for the FlexBody!!! Message-ID: <39A35387.91CC08BD@pacbell.net> Hi David: Your post on the Flexbody came through fine. I have used the Flexbody extensively for the past three years; in fact i haven't used my 500C since getting the Flexbody. Like others on the list, I find the tilt back most useful for DOF corrections. The shift function is pretty limited with the standard Hassy lenses. I did built a good shift setup for the Flexbody by mounting a 100 mm Symmar view camera lens on the Hassy lens mount plate. I offset the lens by about 1/2 inch so the lens has rise when mounted on the camera. With the extra rise on the camera, I get a reasonable amount of shift. I have a bunch of Flexbody images on my web site, just search Yahoo for fotophil to see them. I think the Flexbody makes sense for those who already have Hassy lenses and backs; otherwise the money to start from scratch might be better spent on a view camera. Hope this helps, Phil ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #966 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html