hasselblad Tue, 5 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 979 In this issue: re: old hassy meter prism To those that have purchased the Hasselblad magazine Repair Manual RE: Off-List Re: Paper Re: photographers RE: Paper RE: photographers Re: Paper paper Re: paper Re: photographers Re: paper Re: photographers Re: photographers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:41:01 -0400 From: "Owen P. Evans" To: "Hasselblad" Cc: , Subject: re: old hassy meter prism Message-ID: <002b01c0167e$264c7850$7515d986@beckman.com> According to the manual I have for my 500 C/M; it says that the adjustment for using the Acute Matte screen with the PME or PME-3 is as follows: PME-3 - no adjustment is required PME - reduce the ASA/ISO setting to half the film speed value as indicated on the film package OR; Increase the MAX lens aperture setting by one full stop OR; Reduce the EV reading one full step when setting it on the lens EV scale. Hope this helps, Owen Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:56:15 -0400 From: "Stuart Phillips" To: , Subject: Re: old hassy meter prism Message-ID: <008e01c011a7$c135e800$3674799e@umb.edu> There is an adjustment to be made because these were built gor pre acute-matte screens; I just got one too so don't have the details yet. stuart phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlyn DeBruyckere To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:15 AM Subject: Re: old hassy meter prism > > > Patrick San Agustin wrote: > > > I just got my hands on an old hassy meter prism. It is one of the earlier > > models with a 45 degree viewfinder. Unfortunately I really dont know how to > > use it. The dial on the left is to adjust ASA and the dial on the right is > > for aperture. Other than that, I dont know if it will work with my acute > > matte screen, or if I have to correct for any differences. Does anybody know > > if this meters a certain angle of view in the viewfinder or does it just > > meter the whole picture that comes through, or is it a centre type meter? > > Thanks > > > > Set the ASA to your film speed. Set the apature dial to the maximum (smallest number) for your lens. Turn the meter on, the meter will read the correct EV. Match this with the arrow across from the EV numbers on your lens. > > > > -- > Arlyn DeBruyckere > Hutchinson High School > 1200 Roberts Road SW > Hutchinson, MN 55350 > http://www.hutch.k12.mn.us/ Owen P. Evans Osgoode, Ontario. Canada. (near our nation's capital; Ottawa) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:27:52 -0700 From: helenadick@worldnet.att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: To those that have purchased the Hasselblad magazine Repair Manual Message-ID: <39B3CD88.2458572E@worldnet.att.net> To any of those people that have purchased one of the above mentioned booklets and are wanting to convert your magazine from A12 to A24. The counter number dial is REALLY glued on and a bit difficult to get off. Even so, I was at one point doing this until all of a sudden, the dials were on back order from Hasselblad. I did have one more dial (it was a piss poor example and should have never been shipped from Hasselblad). I took this dial and scanned it. Then went into Corel PhotoPaint and magnified it 1000 times. I worked on each pixel, pixel by pixel, to get the dail looking like it should look with no bleeding. Their silk screen process leaves something to be desired. Anyhow, I find it much easier to just attach these paper dials right over the existing dial after wipping off the existing dial with laquer thinner such that there is no grease or oil on it. It is much faster, looks just as good, and saves you a few bucks. I have this photo in a Microsoft Word document. Anyone that would like to have a copy of this dial may write to me privately and request it. I will immediately send it to you. I have the attributes of the file set to read only, so nothing will change. When attaching the dial, use rubber cement as this seems to be the only thing that will hold up under the tremoundous shock this dial takes when resetting. One word of caution. Be sure to set your printer to black ink only and then go into the advanced properties and put a check mark on MicroWeave and you will get the best print possible. I have found that I get the best prints on plain old white printer paper. Have tried the glossy photo paper, but results are nowhere close to being as good. This you may have to experiment with, as we all have different printers. Thanks, -- _______________________________ Dick Werner 112 South Brighton St. Burbank, Ca., 91506 (818) 845-4667 helenadick@worldnet.att.net _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:02:28 -0000 From: "Rafael Alday" To: "Marc James Small" Cc: Subject: RE: Off-List Message-ID: <001601c016b3$6ff8b060$49d7523e@t1c3j7> I bought the prism and batteries were included. They are three batteriy cells 357A. Pherhaps I am not using the prism well. The manual is in russian. The ASA film is selected in the inner ring (black) In the middle ring you select the aperture The outer ring moves freely and you select here the speed. No ring is fixed I have tried to leave the aperture ring fixed and use only the speed..... does'nt work. I have tried also to leave the speed ring fixed and use the aperture ring.... does'nt work What I am doing bad? I have said "as usual" because I have listened several times that these prisms have problems and should be frequently calibrated. I am waiting for help Thank you in advance, Rafael Alday ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc James Small To: Rafael Alday Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 9:34 PM Subject: Off-List > At 10:49 PM 9/3/2000 -0000, you wrote: > >Recently, I purchased a TTL-meter Kiev prism and as usual does't work. > > "As usual"? I have owned five of these over the years, and still own two, > one on a Kiev 88 and one on my Hasselblad 2000 FC/M. None have ever needed > calibration. All have always worked within 1/3 stop. What batteries are > you using? > > All but a few of the folks I know using these prisms find them fine and > proper. > > Marc > > msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315 > Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:07:42 -0400 From: "Mr. E Crumpler, Jr" To: Subject: Re: Paper Message-ID: <003d01c016b4$2f5fb660$bb686620@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C01692.A3187820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perterson's did a comparison a few years ago where they tested all = papers on the market. Comparing Ilford MG FB with Galaria, They = concluded that MG was better than Galeria (greater white and deeper = Dmax=3D2.3, infact the best Dmax of any thing on the market). I = switched to MG and have never looked back! If its better than Galeria, = that's all I needed to know. Gene Crumpler AKA Nikonguy i----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rafael Alday=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: Paper I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB glossy. However, a few = days ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and I have found better = grays with deep black and fine white. Anybody has experience with this = paper or other with fixed grade? Are they better than multicontrast = papers? Thank you Rafael Alday ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C01692.A3187820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perterson's did a comparison a few = years ago where=20 they tested all papers on the market. Comparing Ilford MG FB with = Galaria, They=20 concluded that MG was better than Galeria (greater white and = deeper =20 Dmax=3D2.3, infact the best Dmax of any thing on the market).  = I=20 switched to MG and have never looked back!  If its better than = Galeria,=20 that's all I needed to know.
 
Gene Crumpler
AKA Nikonguy
 i----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rafael Alday=20
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Sunday, September 03, = 2000 2:50=20 PM
Subject: Paper

I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB = glossy.=20 However, a few days ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and I = have found=20 better grays with deep black and fine white. Anybody has experience = with this=20 paper or other with fixed grade? Are they better than multicontrast=20 papers?
          &nbs= p;         =20 Thank you
          &nbs= p;   =20 Rafael Alday
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C01692.A3187820-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:17:19 -0400 From: "Mr. E Crumpler, Jr" To: , Subject: Re: photographers Message-ID: <008701c016b5$8809a900$bb686620@computer> My dentist loves Hasselbalds, but the pix I've seen on his wall indicate he is not using them to their potential?!?!? Gene Crumpler AKA Nikonguy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: Re: photographers > Eduardo Aigner wrote: > > > > > > >At least I know now one category of people who buy > > > > > Hasselblads. > > > > > Paolo Pignatelli > > > > > > > > I know lots of doctors who use the hassie... > > > > AIGNER > > > > > > > I'm a photographer who uses one, also Rolleiflex and Leica M. > > > Mark William Rabiner > > > > Well, I have an incomplete architectural degree... > > AIGNER > > > So then do you design buildings with big GAPS in them? > Mark William Rabiner > :) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:24:11 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: Paper Message-ID: <001301c016b6$78744a80$0100a8c0@paolopent> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01694.F162AA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How does it compare with Portriga or Brovira? How about Seagull? TIA, and Happy Labor Day Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Mr. E Crumpler, Jr [mailto:nikonguy@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:08 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Paper Perterson's did a comparison a few years ago where they tested all papers on the market. Comparing Ilford MG FB with Galaria, They concluded that MG was better than Galeria (greater white and deeper Dmax=2.3, infact the best Dmax of any thing on the market). I switched to MG and have never looked back! If its better than Galeria, that's all I needed to know. Gene Crumpler AKA Nikonguy i----- Original Message ----- From: Rafael Alday To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: Paper I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB glossy. However, a few days ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and I have found better grays with deep black and fine white. Anybody has experience with this paper or other with fixed grade? Are they better than multicontrast papers? Thank you Rafael Alday ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01694.F162AA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How=20 does it compare with Portriga or Brovira?  How about Seagull?  =
 
TIA,=20 and Happy Labor Day

Paolo

Paolo Pignatelli

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. E Crumpler, Jr = [mailto:nikonguy@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, September = 04, 2000=20 5:08 PM
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re:=20 Paper

Perterson's did a comparison a few = years ago=20 where they tested all papers on the market. Comparing Ilford MG FB = with=20 Galaria, They concluded that MG was better than Galeria (greater white = and=20 deeper  Dmax=3D2.3, infact the best Dmax of any thing on the = market).  I switched to MG and have never looked back!  If = its=20 better than Galeria, that's all I needed to know.
 
Gene Crumpler
AKA Nikonguy
 i----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rafael=20 Alday
Sent: Sunday, September 03, = 2000 2:50=20 PM
Subject: Paper

I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB = glossy.=20 However, a few days ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and I = have=20 found better grays with deep black and fine white. Anybody has = experience=20 with this paper or other with fixed grade? Are they better than=20 multicontrast papers?
          &nbs= p;         =20 Thank you
          &nbs= p;   =20 Rafael Alday
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01694.F162AA80-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:37:56 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: photographers Message-ID: <001a01c016b8$63e2dee0$0100a8c0@paolopent> They are photographers of a different extraction, ... are their pictures of tartars out of focus. Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Mr. E Crumpler, Jr [mailto:nikonguy@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:17 PM To: mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: photographers My dentist loves Hasselbalds, but the pix I've seen on his wall indicate he is not using them to their potential?!?!? Gene Crumpler AKA Nikonguy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: Re: photographers > Eduardo Aigner wrote: > > > > > > >At least I know now one category of people who buy > > > > > Hasselblads. > > > > > Paolo Pignatelli > > > > > > > > I know lots of doctors who use the hassie... > > > > AIGNER > > > > > > > I'm a photographer who uses one, also Rolleiflex and Leica M. > > > Mark William Rabiner > > > > Well, I have an incomplete architectural degree... > > AIGNER > > > So then do you design buildings with big GAPS in them? > Mark William Rabiner > :) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:08:46 -0400 From: "Mr. E Crumpler, Jr" To: , Subject: Re: Paper Message-ID: <000401c016cd$eedf6b20$97686620@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C016AB.EE92F140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a clue. Ilford is all I used for the last 15 years. I've not still = learned all of its possibilities Gene Crumpler AKA Nikoknguy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paolo Pignatelli=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:24 PM Subject: RE: Paper How does it compare with Portriga or Brovira? How about Seagull? =20 =20 TIA, and Happy Labor Day Paolo=20 Paolo Pignatelli=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mr. E Crumpler, Jr [mailto:nikonguy@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:08 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Paper Perterson's did a comparison a few years ago where they tested all = papers on the market. Comparing Ilford MG FB with Galaria, They = concluded that MG was better than Galeria (greater white and deeper = Dmax=3D2.3, infact the best Dmax of any thing on the market). I = switched to MG and have never looked back! If its better than Galeria, = that's all I needed to know. Gene Crumpler AKA Nikonguy i----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rafael Alday=20 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net=20 Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: Paper I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB glossy. However, a = few days ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and I have found = better grays with deep black and fine white. Anybody has experience with = this paper or other with fixed grade? Are they better than multicontrast = papers? Thank you Rafael Alday ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C016AB.EE92F140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not a clue.  Ilford is all I used = for the last=20 15 years.  I've not still learned all of its = possibilities
 
Gene Crumpler
AKA Nikoknguy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paolo = Pignatelli=20
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Monday, September 04, = 2000 5:24=20 PM
Subject: RE: Paper

How=20 does it compare with Portriga or Brovira?  How about = Seagull? =20
 
TIA,=20 and Happy Labor Day

Paolo

Paolo Pignatelli

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. E Crumpler, = Jr [mailto:nikonguy@worldnet.att.ne= t]
Sent:=20 Monday, September 04, 2000 5:08 PM
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sub= ject:=20 Re: Paper

Perterson's did a comparison a few = years ago=20 where they tested all papers on the market. Comparing Ilford MG FB = with=20 Galaria, They concluded that MG was better than Galeria (greater = white and=20 deeper  Dmax=3D2.3, infact the best Dmax of any thing on = the=20 market).  I switched to MG and have never looked back!  If = its=20 better than Galeria, that's all I needed to know.
 
Gene Crumpler
AKA Nikonguy
 i----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rafael=20 Alday
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Sent: Sunday, September 03, = 2000 2:50=20 PM
Subject: Paper

I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB = glossy.=20 However, a few days ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and = I have=20 found better grays with deep black and fine white. Anybody has = experience=20 with this paper or other with fixed grade? Are they better than=20 multicontrast papers?
          &nbs= p;         =20 Thank you
          &nbs= p;   =20 Rafael = Alday
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C016AB.EE92F140-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:43:21 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: paper Message-ID: <39B441AA.6A983E17@rabiner.cncoffice.com> > > I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB glossy. However, a few days > ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and I have found better grays with > deep black and fine white. Anybody has experience with this paper or other > with fixed grade? Are they better than multicontrast papers? > Thank you > Rafael Alday >From the same neg I made matching prints on the Gallerie and the the Multigrade. Multigrade seemed better to. No more graded paper for me. That was at least a decade ago. And I wasn't even split printing then. Recently Ilford has come out with a warm paper in both RC and Fiber and a cool so far in just RC. I just made some 11x14's with the cool stuff for the first time and the first RC printing I've done in a long time. I'm resold on RC but can't wait for this cool stuff to come out in Fiber. It is really not a cool grey it just has no sign of warmth in it. It's as if it has been in my terms "cleaned up." Mark W. Rabiner :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:52:23 -0400 From: "Mr. E Crumpler, Jr" To: , Subject: Re: paper Message-ID: <001701c016d3$9314d360$97686620@computer> So this new RC paper gets ride of the Olive tone of Ilford papers? Gene Crumpler AKA Nikonguy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: paper > > > > > I usually use the paper Ilford Multigrade FB glossy. However, a few days > > ago I have tried the Gallery Ilford paper and I have found better grays with > > deep black and fine white. Anybody has experience with this paper or other > > with fixed grade? Are they better than multicontrast papers? > > Thank you > > Rafael Alday > > From the same neg I made matching prints on the Gallerie and the the Multigrade. > Multigrade seemed better to. No more graded paper for me. That was at least a > decade ago. > And I wasn't even split printing then. > > Recently Ilford has come out with a warm paper in both RC and Fiber and a cool > so far in just RC. I just made some 11x14's with the cool stuff for the first > time and the first RC printing I've done in a long time. I'm resold on RC but > can't wait for this cool stuff to come out in Fiber. > It is really not a cool grey it just has no sign of warmth in it. It's as if it > has been in my terms "cleaned up." > > Mark W. Rabiner > :) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:20:47 -0400 From: "LEO WOLK" To: , Subject: Re: photographers Message-ID: <01c016d7$858c0660$b444570c@fofyplfq> You keep drilling us with these puns, Paolo... Getting a good one out of you is like pulling teeth! Leo. -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Pignatelli To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: RE: photographers >They are photographers of a different extraction, ... are their pictures of >tartars out of focus. > >Paolo > >Paolo Pignatelli > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mr. E Crumpler, Jr [mailto:nikonguy@worldnet.att.net] >Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:17 PM >To: mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com; hasselblad@kelvin.net >Subject: Re: photographers > > >My dentist loves Hasselbalds, but the pix I've seen on his wall indicate he >is not using them to their potential?!?!? > >Gene Crumpler >AKA Nikonguy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Rabiner" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:42 PM >Subject: Re: photographers > > >> Eduardo Aigner wrote: >> > >> > > > >At least I know now one category of people who buy >> > > > > Hasselblads. >> > > > > Paolo Pignatelli >> > > > >> > > > I know lots of doctors who use the hassie... >> > > > AIGNER >> > > > >> > > I'm a photographer who uses one, also Rolleiflex and Leica M. >> > > Mark William Rabiner >> > >> > Well, I have an incomplete architectural degree... >> > AIGNER >> > >> So then do you design buildings with big GAPS in them? >> Mark William Rabiner >> :) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or >affiliates. >> >> To change your subscription status, go to: >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >> Searchable archives can be found at >http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute >Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list >is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or >affiliates. > >To change your subscription status, go to: >http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:30:48 -0600 From: Russell Rosener To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: paper Message-ID: >So this new RC paper gets ride of the Olive tone of Ilford papers? > >Gene Crumpler >AKA Nikonguy > > > Well, as for paper choice, it really boils down to presonal preference. Personally I like the Ilford Multigrade warmtone, and the AGFA Mulitcontrast classic because of the olive warm tone. But i used to print with the old AGFA Brovira graded fiber base when I wanted a cold steely tone. I was sad when Agfa chucked it along with the original Portriga formula. FOr years I refused to buy any AGFA product because they gutted their traditional papers, but Multicontrast Classic changed my mind. And for what it's worth, Ilford Muligrade has actually gotten colder over the years, which is why they came out with a warm tone equivalent. Test your papers and developers and settle on a couple that best suit your shooting style. But by all means keep buying, as Silicon is quickly pushing traditional black & white out the door! Russ Rosener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:44:32 EDT From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: photographers Message-ID: <47.6c1db1.26e5d430@aol.com> In a message dated 9/4/00 8:10:40 PM Central Daylight Time, bigleo@worldnet.att.net writes: << You keep drilling us with these puns, Paolo... Getting a good one out of you is like pulling teeth! >> Leo, you are right....extracting a good pun out of Paolo is quite a challenge. Possibly the language could be at the root of the problem? Bob R. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:17:05 -0400 From: "LEO WOLK" To: , Subject: Re: photographers Message-ID: <01c01700$e9f72160$4a44570c@fofyplfq> YES, Filling our screens with this nonsense! Leo. -----Original Message----- From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Date: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:44 AM Subject: Re: photographers > >Leo, you are right....extracting a good pun out of Paolo is quite a challenge. >Possibly the language could be at the root of the problem? > >Bob R. ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #979 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html