hasselblad Sun, 10 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 984 In this issue: Re: The Spirit of the Company Filters for Biogon RE: Filters for Biogon Re: Filters for Biogon Re: The Spirit of the Company Re: The Spirit of the Company Re: The Spirit of the Company RE: Filters for Biogon RE: The Spirit of the Company RE: Filters for Biogon RE: Filters for Biogon SV: The Spirit of the Company OILS AND GREASES Re: SV: The Spirit of the Company Re: Filters for Biogon Re: OILS AND GREASES RE: Filters for Biogon RE: Filters for Biogon Re: Filters for Biogon Re: The Spirit of the Company RE: Filters for Biogon Re: OILS AND GREASES RE: Filters for Biogon Re: The Spirit of the Company Re: Filters for Biogon Re: Fifteen year old SWC Re: The Spirit of the Company Re: Fifteen year old SWC Re: OILS AND GREASES Re: Fifteen year old SWC Re: Fifteen year old SWC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 10:48:41 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <001601c01a3a$c2d2e3c0$19e1f1c3@qnu99> Jim Brick wrote: > Yes and Leica still has some Minolta lenses and a camera body in their > line-up. Hasselblad also uses Keocera (spelling?) for things like the > 60-120 zoom, 2x extender, and other lenses just marked "Hasselblad". Some > Zeiss lenses are produced in Japan. Those on Contax and Yachica. Leica has > both Zeiss and Schneider lenses in its arsenal. As does Hasselblad. Leica > re-badges Fuji digital cameras as Leica digital cameras. Isn't the Hasselblad 60-120 mm zoom lens made by Sigma, not Kyocera? Is the 2x extended build by Kyocera? If so, why did they drop the Zeiss name? And the other lenses just marked "Hasselblad", aren't they made by Fuji? Kyocera (long standing partner of Zeiss), or rather their daughter Yashica, does indeed build some of the lenses for the Contax cameras, not all. Zeiss transferred machinery, know-how and personnel to Kyocera/Japan, and built up a lens production facility to do this. These Japanese lenses all bear the Zeiss name. (Similar to "Leitz made in Portugal", and Canada (was it?)). I don't know of any optics made by Kyocera/Yashica (i.e. "Zeiss made in Japan") that are part of the Hasselblad program. If i remember correctly, Hasselblad presented 'their' zoom at the precise moment Zeiss reported their intention to give their camera lens division a boost, and to develop and build new, high quality zoom lenses. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:47:56 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: "'Q.G. de Bakker'" , Subject: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <000301c01a5c$2eb74510$0100a8c0@paolopent> What size filters, if any, do you use for the Biogon lens of the SWC? I read in the archives that someone used a filter that contacted the front element of his lens (and marred it), any experiences of this? B+H sells super thin mounts for WA lenses, is that needed here? For the bay 50's, I have gone with the converter ring 55mm, and all seems okay at this point, no noticeable vignetting, etc., but if you have more info (are possibly more picky than I am), please let me know. TIA, Paolo Paolo Pignatelli ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:59:30 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: , Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <000401c01a5d$cb923010$0100a8c0@paolopent> B&H sells B+W, is what I meant... . Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Pignatelli [mailto:paolop@snet.net] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 8:48 AM To: 'Q.G. de Bakker'; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Filters for Biogon What size filters, if any, do you use for the Biogon lens of the SWC? I read in the archives that someone used a filter that contacted the front element of his lens (and marred it), any experiences of this? B+H sells super thin mounts for WA lenses, is that needed here? For the bay 50's, I have gone with the converter ring 55mm, and all seems okay at this point, no noticeable vignetting, etc., but if you have more info (are possibly more picky than I am), please let me know. TIA, Paolo Paolo Pignatelli ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:19:32 EDT From: COHIBA7@aol.com To: paolop@snet.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: The SWC takes 63mm drop in filters held in place with a threaded retaining ring designed specifically for this lens. No vignetting and no contact with lens surface. Same setup as the old 50mm C. The ring should accompany the camera but if not, it is not expensive, nor are the filters. (Available used -- Ebay, KEH, B&H. etc.) This answer seems too simple. Did I misunderstand the question? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 18:55:13 +0800 From: Peter Walker To: ULF SJ=?ISO-8859-1?B?1g==?=GREN , Cc: "Q.G. de Bakker" Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: Ulf, That H-blad owner who wrote the email about being shown around Hasselblad b= y the head of international marketing was me. It was a great experience and = a story that I like to tell often. I was impressed by their dedication to quality and the pride in their work. True craftspeople at work, not an assembly line in sight. I would think that such a company has a future. As the world globalizes and e-Commerce becomes more prevalent, there will b= e a role for niche companies that excel in a product or service. In fact, e-Commerce could potentially spawn a whole wave of new niche players as the distribution costs are driven down by online purchasing. I'd bet that Hasselblad will be around for a while yet. But I also agree that they need to come up with a top-quality, high-speed digital back soon... Regards Peter Email: peter@peterwalker.com URL: http://www.peterwalker.com > From: ULF SJ=D6GREN > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:49:42 +0200 > To: > Cc: "Q.G. de Bakker" > Subject: SV: The Spirit of the Company >=20 > I think I started this discussion..... I don't feel sorry about that but = =3D > I think I must give you the background. > From 1963 to -78 I lived in Gothenburg, interested in photography =3D > already then since more than ten years. Gothenburg was not a big city, =3D > in those days around 400.000 or so. Some of my friends worked at the =3D > Hasselblad company and I was there some times. It was a fine company =3D > with good reputation already in those days and my friends were very =3D > proud of their employer. Of course it is still a good company with =3D > excellent products, but it is not the same. I understand that =3D > everything must change, else it dies. But even if it is nostalgia, it =3D > was a nicer time in many ways, nice and comparatively friendly, maybe =3D > that is what I miss. Anyhow, the focusing screens are better now....... =3D > ;-). On the other hand I read a very positive letter (here?9 a year ago =3D > from a H-blad owner who visited the factory during his vacation and as =3D > it was in the winter there were no guides. But someone from the sales =3D > dept. showed him round and he also had a little chat with the one who =3D > had set his camera togather. That can be read out of the manufacturing =3D > number.. > So........maybe things are not so bad after all.......... > Ulf > ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----=3D20 > Fr=3DE5n: "Chris J. DiBona" > Till: > Kopia: "Q.G. de Bakker" > Skickat: den 8 september 2000 19:23 > =3DC4mne: Re: The Spirit of the Company >=20 >=20 > No you wouldn't! Can you imagine if you started seeing Hasselblad > disposable cameras? I don't have a problem with hasselblad putting thier > name on things, I don't have a problem with people buying tham. >=20 > I judge the company on the quality of the camera, and I'm very happy =3D > with > that.=3D20 >=20 > Chris >=20 > -- =3D20 > Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems | http://www.valinux.com > President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group | http://www.svlug.org > Grant Chair, Linux International. | http://www.li.org > Co-editor, Open Sources | http://www.dibona.com >=20 > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Stuart Phillips wrote: >=20 >> Am I the only one to be disappointed by the appearance of a Hasselblad >> boutique? Sweatshirts, pens, crystal cameras, tacky shoulder bags - =3D > what >> gives? I know Harvard College now puts its brandname on everything =3D > short of >> condoms, but Hasselblad? I'd rather they expand the brand into other >> cameras (even APS, for God's sake) than this crap. >> =3D20 >> stuart >> Stuart Phillips >> Assistant Director of Professional Training Programs >> Division of Corporate, Continuing and Distance Education >> University of Massachusetts Boston >> =3D20 >> 100 Morrissey Blvd >> Boston Ma >> 02125-3393 >> =3D20 >> Phone: (617) 287 7289 >> Fax: (617) 287 7297 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Q.G. de Bakker >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:59 AM >> Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >>> InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I strongly agree. And it would be naive to think that Hasselblad =3D > or any >>>> company today rides solely on the opinion of "bean counters". >> Decisions >>> are >>>> made by committee, including inputs from Marketing, PR, and R&D. =3D > At all >>> the >>>> business management seminars I have attended it has been stressed =3D > that >> the >>>> cost of engendering customer loyalty will result in much greater =3D > profits >>> from >>>> increased sales volume and word-of-mouth (read: free) advertising =3D > than >> all >>>> but the most massive in-product cost-cutting measures. In fact, >>> in-product >>>> or in-service cost-cutting, along with rebates, are two signs of a >> company >>> in >>>> distress which even un-savvy consumers recognize intuitively. =3D > That >>>> negatively impacts sales, making those cost-cutting measures in =3D > fact >>>> counterproductive. Although it may be the "bean counters" job =3D > only to >>> count >>>> beans, they too are aware of the foregoing. >>>=20 >>> Yet there is a very clear difference between: >>>=20 >>> "Those of us who took over from the founding generation had and =3D > still have >>> the guiding objective of developing the company and its products, =3D > with our >>> actions based upon an unaltered set of basic principles - with focus =3D > on >> the >>> customer and with the maximum possible quality down to the most =3D > minute >>> details. >>> This is an element in the explanation of our success. Another =3D > important >>> element is niche strategy. What is then meant by a niche strategy? =3D > Well, >> it >>> means that we at Hasselblad have concentrated upon a small niche of =3D > the >>> market and have not leered after the large mass market. Our products =3D > are >>> directed towards those customers who, for quality reasons, require a >> larger >>> picture format than that given by 35mm film and who wish to have a =3D > camera >> of >>> the absolute highest quality. [...]" >>>=20 >>> Jerry =3DD6ster, President and C.E.O. of Victor Hasselblad AB in 1991. >>>=20 >>> And: >>>=20 >>> "Hasselblad is one of Sweden's most well-known companies with a =3D > great >>> potential in its trademark. The primary goal for the company will be >>> to develop this potential into further volume growth through =3D > intensified >>> product development and marketing." >>>=20 >>> President and C.E.O, G=3DF6ran Bernhoff in 1997. >>>=20 >>> Not a word about photography, customers, building quality products, =3D > etc., >>> etc. Only marketing goals. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> =3D > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute >> Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This =3D > mailing list >> is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, =3D > or >> affiliates. >>>=20 >>> To change your subscription status, go to: >> http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >>> Digest archives are stored at =3D > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >>> Searchable archives can be found at >> http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >> =3D20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> =3D20 >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute =3D > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing =3D > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's =3D > subsidiaries, or affiliates. >> =3D20 >> To change your subscription status, go to: =3D > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >> Digest archives are stored at =3D > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >> Searchable archives can be found at =3D > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >> =3D20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute =3D > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing =3D > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's =3D > subsidiaries, or affiliates. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: =3D > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at =3D > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 10:54:59 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <12.20976fe.26eba943@aol.com> In a message dated 9/9/00 2:51:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jim@brick.org writes: << Didn't Leica try something similar 20 years ago with Minolta (Leica CL)? > >Bruce > Yes and Leica still has some Minolta lenses and a camera body in their line-up. Hasselblad also uses Keocera (spelling?) for things like the 60-120 zoom, 2x extender, and other lenses just marked "Hasselblad". >> True. Hasselblad is a camera company, not a lensmaker. They don't call their lenses "Zeiss" unless they *are* Zeiss, unlike Leica who is both a camera *and* lensmaker and calls everything "Leica" (even the PC-Super-Angulon which is a well-known Schneider nomenclature) no matter who designed it or by whom it is/was manufactured. It's up to the wise consumer to learn the history. Leica's products are pretty much all great stuff and I own a lot of it, but I admire the little extra truthfulness on Hasselblad's part which is more in line with my own sense of ethics. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 08:12:38 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: "Q.G. de Bakker" , Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <200009091514.IAA29657@spoon.alink.net> Yes, you could be correct about the Kyocera/Sigma/Fuji. It was late last night and I was trying to recall what my H rep said. The Leica stuff is correct though... Marc Small is the only one I know that can probably put names, countries, and products together without error. :-) Jim At 10:48 AM 9/9/00 +0200, Q.G. de Bakker wrote: >Jim Brick wrote: > >> Yes and Leica still has some Minolta lenses and a camera body in their >> line-up. Hasselblad also uses Keocera (spelling?) for things like the >> 60-120 zoom, 2x extender, and other lenses just marked "Hasselblad". Some >> Zeiss lenses are produced in Japan. Those on Contax and Yachica. Leica has >> both Zeiss and Schneider lenses in its arsenal. As does Hasselblad. Leica >> re-badges Fuji digital cameras as Leica digital cameras. > >Isn't the Hasselblad 60-120 mm zoom lens made by Sigma, not Kyocera? >Is the 2x extended build by Kyocera? If so, why did they drop the Zeiss >name? >And the other lenses just marked "Hasselblad", aren't they made by Fuji? > >Kyocera (long standing partner of Zeiss), or rather their daughter Yashica, >does indeed build some of the lenses for the Contax cameras, not all. Zeiss >transferred machinery, know-how and personnel to Kyocera/Japan, and built up >a lens production facility to do this. These Japanese lenses all bear the >Zeiss name. (Similar to "Leitz made in Portugal", and Canada (was it?)). I >don't know of any optics made by Kyocera/Yashica (i.e. "Zeiss made in >Japan") that are part of the Hasselblad program. >If i remember correctly, Hasselblad presented 'their' zoom at the precise >moment Zeiss reported their intention to give their camera lens division a >boost, and to develop and build new, high quality zoom lenses. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > >To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:34:20 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: , Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <000601c01a73$6cae3010$0100a8c0@paolopent> Thanks, I was looking at Series 8 filters. The ring did not come with the lens, what is it called ("Biogon retaining ring?", ...) Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: COHIBA7@aol.com [mailto:COHIBA7@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 9:20 AM To: paolop@snet.net; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon The SWC takes 63mm drop in filters held in place with a threaded retaining ring designed specifically for this lens. No vignetting and no contact with lens surface. Same setup as the old 50mm C. The ring should accompany the camera but if not, it is not expensive, nor are the filters. (Available used -- Ebay, KEH, B&H. etc.) This answer seems too simple. Did I misunderstand the question? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:34:52 +0200 From: "Felix Lopez de Maturana" To: , Subject: RE: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Wilson [mailto:brucewilson@mail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 5:36 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: The Spirit of the Company The Hasselblad/Fuji teaming seems to be a bit of a "mass market" entry. Didn't Leica try something similar 20 years ago with Minolta (Leica CL)? Bruce Bruce, Have you ever handed and used a XPAN?. If this is the idea of a "mass market" I can tell that the mass market is becoming a market of rich people indeed. This camera is produced under very high standard rules and never mind if it comes from Sweden or Japan it is really very well made. And, of course I own a "true" Hasselblad and a XPAN. Kind regards Felix ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:08:08 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <000701c01a78$25a82c70$0100a8c0@paolopent> Is the retaining ring separate from the thread that I use to screw in the lens shade? Can I use the thread that I use for the shade to screw in a filter (without harming the lens)? Can I use both a filter and the shade? (I have a darkroom to play with again, so I am interested in the whole B&W process, including filtering for contrast control, etc. .) TIA, Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: COHIBA7@aol.com [mailto:COHIBA7@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 9:20 AM To: paolop@snet.net; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon The SWC takes 63mm drop in filters held in place with a threaded retaining ring designed specifically for this lens. No vignetting and no contact with lens surface. Same setup as the old 50mm C. The ring should accompany the camera but if not, it is not expensive, nor are the filters. (Available used -- Ebay, KEH, B&H. etc.) This answer seems too simple. Did I misunderstand the question? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:09:39 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <000801c01a78$5bd50a20$0100a8c0@paolopent> Oh yes, I have a Biogon C, not the CF Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: COHIBA7@aol.com [mailto:COHIBA7@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 9:20 AM To: paolop@snet.net; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon The SWC takes 63mm drop in filters held in place with a threaded retaining ring designed specifically for this lens. No vignetting and no contact with lens surface. Same setup as the old 50mm C. The ring should accompany the camera but if not, it is not expensive, nor are the filters. (Available used -- Ebay, KEH, B&H. etc.) This answer seems too simple. Did I misunderstand the question? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:16:47 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ULF_SJ=D6GREN?= To: Cc: "Q.G. de Bakker" Subject: SV: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <001301c01a79$5e895f40$fc7697d4@s101194> Hi Peter, when I saw your name I remember. I think maybe there were some = things I remembered wrong but in principle it was correct (?). Now about those digital backs. I am not so sure I would need - or even = like one. It is necessary for the pro's (that's what they think anyhow) = but I have no use for it. I am so completely satisfyed whith what I have to carry in my camera = bag. It is as a matter of fact so much that I seldom have the entire = equipment with me. And I dont want to carry a Laptop computor, extra = batteries etc. As a matter of fact I don't want to carry anything at all = that depends on batteries.......... My exposure meter is the only = exception. Batteries can - if absolutely necessary be brought in the = summer but here it is often -20C or below in the winter and what have = you got to keep a battery warm if you are out for 2 -4 days? Your body = and a fire...... Then I dont want my pictures divided on 9 or more screens. (I notice = myself that there is much I don't want.....;-) ). I am completely = happy with the cameras and the films as they are, OK, they can go on = with the films, Provia F was a winner in my opinion. And you must agree, = how often do you meet someone who is entirely happy with things the way = they are?? ;-). I have a small digital Canon S10 I think they call it. It is good for = "party pictures" and to use instead of a polaroid back. But it = absolutely doesn't make me want more digital pictures..... Oh, yes, sometimes I use it to "scan" my diaslides. The quality is comme = si, commca. but it is OK for the web. Ulf ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----=20 Fr=E5n: "Peter Walker" Till: "ULF SJ=D6GREN" ; = Kopia: "Q.G. de Bakker" Skickat: den 9 september 2000 12:55 =C4mne: Re: The Spirit of the Company Ulf, That H-blad owner who wrote the email about being shown around = Hasselblad by the head of international marketing was me. It was a great experience = and a story that I like to tell often. I was impressed by their dedication to quality and the pride in their work. True craftspeople at work, not an assembly line in sight. I would think that such a company has a = future. As the world globalizes and e-Commerce becomes more prevalent, there = will be a role for niche companies that excel in a product or service. In fact, e-Commerce could potentially spawn a whole wave of new niche players as = the distribution costs are driven down by online purchasing. I'd bet that Hasselblad will be around for a while yet. But I also agree that they need to come up with a top-quality, = high-speed digital back soon... Regards Peter Email: peter@peterwalker.com URL: http://www.peterwalker.com > From: ULF SJ=D6GREN > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:49:42 +0200 > To: > Cc: "Q.G. de Bakker" > Subject: SV: The Spirit of the Company >=20 > I think I started this discussion..... I don't feel sorry about that = but =3D > I think I must give you the background. > From 1963 to -78 I lived in Gothenburg, interested in photography =3D > already then since more than ten years. Gothenburg was not a big city, = =3D > in those days around 400.000 or so. Some of my friends worked at the = =3D > Hasselblad company and I was there some times. It was a fine company = =3D > with good reputation already in those days and my friends were very = =3D > proud of their employer. Of course it is still a good company with =3D > excellent products, but it is not the same. I understand that =3D > everything must change, else it dies. But even if it is nostalgia, it = =3D > was a nicer time in many ways, nice and comparatively friendly, maybe = =3D > that is what I miss. Anyhow, the focusing screens are better = now....... =3D > ;-). On the other hand I read a very positive letter (here?9 a year = ago =3D > from a H-blad owner who visited the factory during his vacation and as = =3D > it was in the winter there were no guides. But someone from the sales = =3D > dept. showed him round and he also had a little chat with the one who = =3D > had set his camera togather. That can be read out of the manufacturing = =3D > number.. > So........maybe things are not so bad after all.......... > Ulf > ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----=3D20 > Fr=3DE5n: "Chris J. DiBona" > Till: > Kopia: "Q.G. de Bakker" > Skickat: den 8 september 2000 19:23 > =3DC4mne: Re: The Spirit of the Company >=20 >=20 > No you wouldn't! Can you imagine if you started seeing Hasselblad > disposable cameras? I don't have a problem with hasselblad putting = thier > name on things, I don't have a problem with people buying tham. >=20 > I judge the company on the quality of the camera, and I'm very happy = =3D > with > that.=3D20 >=20 > Chris >=20 > -- =3D20 > Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems | = http://www.valinux.com > President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group | http://www.svlug.org > Grant Chair, Linux International. | http://www.li.org > Co-editor, Open Sources | = http://www.dibona.com >=20 > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Stuart Phillips wrote: >=20 >> Am I the only one to be disappointed by the appearance of a = Hasselblad >> boutique? Sweatshirts, pens, crystal cameras, tacky shoulder bags - = =3D > what >> gives? I know Harvard College now puts its brandname on everything = =3D > short of >> condoms, but Hasselblad? I'd rather they expand the brand into other >> cameras (even APS, for God's sake) than this crap. >> =3D20 >> stuart >> Stuart Phillips >> Assistant Director of Professional Training Programs >> Division of Corporate, Continuing and Distance Education >> University of Massachusetts Boston >> =3D20 >> 100 Morrissey Blvd >> Boston Ma >> 02125-3393 >> =3D20 >> Phone: (617) 287 7289 >> Fax: (617) 287 7297 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Q.G. de Bakker >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:59 AM >> Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >>> InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I strongly agree. And it would be naive to think that Hasselblad = =3D > or any >>>> company today rides solely on the opinion of "bean counters". >> Decisions >>> are >>>> made by committee, including inputs from Marketing, PR, and R&D. = =3D > At all >>> the >>>> business management seminars I have attended it has been stressed = =3D > that >> the >>>> cost of engendering customer loyalty will result in much greater = =3D > profits >>> from >>>> increased sales volume and word-of-mouth (read: free) advertising = =3D > than >> all >>>> but the most massive in-product cost-cutting measures. In fact, >>> in-product >>>> or in-service cost-cutting, along with rebates, are two signs of a >> company >>> in >>>> distress which even un-savvy consumers recognize intuitively. =3D > That >>>> negatively impacts sales, making those cost-cutting measures in =3D > fact >>>> counterproductive. Although it may be the "bean counters" job =3D > only to >>> count >>>> beans, they too are aware of the foregoing. >>>=20 >>> Yet there is a very clear difference between: >>>=20 >>> "Those of us who took over from the founding generation had and =3D > still have >>> the guiding objective of developing the company and its products, = =3D > with our >>> actions based upon an unaltered set of basic principles - with focus = =3D > on >> the >>> customer and with the maximum possible quality down to the most =3D > minute >>> details. >>> This is an element in the explanation of our success. Another =3D > important >>> element is niche strategy. What is then meant by a niche strategy? = =3D > Well, >> it >>> means that we at Hasselblad have concentrated upon a small niche of = =3D > the >>> market and have not leered after the large mass market. Our products = =3D > are >>> directed towards those customers who, for quality reasons, require a >> larger >>> picture format than that given by 35mm film and who wish to have a = =3D > camera >> of >>> the absolute highest quality. [...]" >>>=20 >>> Jerry =3DD6ster, President and C.E.O. of Victor Hasselblad AB in = 1991. >>>=20 >>> And: >>>=20 >>> "Hasselblad is one of Sweden's most well-known companies with a =3D > great >>> potential in its trademark. The primary goal for the company will be >>> to develop this potential into further volume growth through =3D > intensified >>> product development and marketing." >>>=20 >>> President and C.E.O, G=3DF6ran Bernhoff in 1997. >>>=20 >>> Not a word about photography, customers, building quality products, = =3D > etc., >>> etc. Only marketing goals. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> =3D > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute >> Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This =3D > mailing list >> is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, = =3D > or >> affiliates. >>>=20 >>> To change your subscription status, go to: >> http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >>> Digest archives are stored at =3D > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >>> Searchable archives can be found at >> http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >> =3D20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> =3D20 >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = =3D > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This = mailing =3D > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's =3D > subsidiaries, or affiliates. >> =3D20 >> To change your subscription status, go to: =3D > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >> Digest archives are stored at =3D > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >> Searchable archives can be found at =3D > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html >> =3D20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = =3D > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This = mailing =3D > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's =3D > subsidiaries, or affiliates. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: =3D > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at = http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at =3D > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's = subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: = http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at = http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 09:36:44 -0700 From: "Proxar Photo" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: OILS AND GREASES Message-ID: Hello, I am thinking of importing a quanitu of Hasselblad oils and greases but need to know who would be interested in them and if there is enough people who would buy them. I have a friend who has packaging machines and it is possible to package these in nice vials or bottles. I was thinking of packaging oil in 5ml bottles and grease in 10-15 ml (1/2 oz) air tight containers) and selling a kit for around $20 (packaging here gets more expensive than the contents) Please let me know if you are interested. Regards Milla R. Pesic Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:55:41 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: SV: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: In a message dated 9/9/00 12:25:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ulf.sjogren@mbox310.swipnet.se writes: << Now about those digital backs. I am not so sure I would need - or even like one. It is necessary for the pro's (that's what they think anyhow) >> Well there it is. As more commercial pros use digital backs in place of film, the all too grim likelihood is that the variety of films available in 120/220 will dwindle even as their initial cost and the cost of processing increases. I'm not screaming for an affordable, fast, digital back with film-quality resolution but it would be comforting for me to know that my Hasselblad bodies, and especially lenses, would still be usable down the road ten or fifteen years at least. So a digital back that won't work on a 500-series body with CF lenses wouldn't interest me at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:56:05 EDT From: COHIBA7@aol.com To: paolop@snet.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: The Biogon C takes 63mm filters, the CF takes 60mm. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:37:45 EDT From: DonjR43198@aol.com To: proxar@eudoramail.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: OILS AND GREASES Message-ID: In a message dated 9/9/2000 11:37:18 AM Central Daylight Time, proxar@eudoramail.com writes: << Hello, I am thinking of importing a quanitu of Hasselblad oils and greases but need to know who would be interested in them and if there is enough people who would buy them. I have a friend who has packaging machines and it is possible to package these in nice vials or bottles. I was thinking of packaging oil in 5ml bottles and grease in 10-15 ml (1/2 oz) air tight containers) and selling a kit for around $20 (packaging here gets more expensive than the contents) Please let me know if you are interested. >> Good afternoon, Millac: I would certainly be interested in purchasing several of your grease kits. Don Rorschach donjr43198@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:45:34 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <01C01A64.D2170670@user-2ive2j2.dialup.mindspring.com> > The SWC takes 63mm drop in filters ... no contact with > lens surface. That is not true of the filters I have, and they are Hasselblad originals. The filters are directional, and if you put them in, in the wrong direction, they will come in contact with the front of the lense, and mar the coating (as you screw the retaining ring in). Take one out, and notice the glass is closer to one side of the filter than the other. Install them such that the side of the filter that has the glass closer to the edge is away from the lense. Austin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:47:23 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <01C01A64.D351D060@user-2ive2j2.dialup.mindspring.com> The Biogon has no lense shade that I am aware of. ---------- > Is the retaining ring separate from the thread that I use to screw in the > lens shade? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:20:40 +0100 From: Ian Goodrick To: Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: on 9/9/00 6:47 pm, Austin Franklin at austin@darkroom.com wrote: > The Biogon has no lense shade that I am aware of. > > ---------- > >> Is the retaining ring separate from the thread that I use to screw in the >> lens shade? > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html The Lens shade for the Bigon C has a space for the filter integral with the hood so ther is no need for a ring and a hood. In fact you need to discard the filter reating ring to use the hood Just slip the filter in to the back of the hood and attach to the lens. Regarding the Filter touching the lens. I have just had a good hard look at my camera and it is hard to see how close the rear of the filter is to the lens. I did cut a piece of white plastic with a straight edge that will span the lens. There seems to be a 1-2mm gab between the filter and the front element. This is on my camera, but I have never be aware of a problem of filters touching elements in any of the SWC's I have used. Just to confirm what we discussing. it is the 63mm filter with no thread that you are talking about? -- Ian Goodrick goodrick@appleonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:48:51 EDT From: DavidG6028@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <62.7082907.26ebe013@aol.com> In a message dated 9/8/00 3:16:45 AM, monteith1@sympatico.ca writes: >And owning a 25 year old camera in a vertical or niche market is yet another >reason that I suspect Hasselblad will fail or disappear in its current >format. No repeat customers in a world that thrives on repeat business > In a message dated 9/9/00 7:06:28 AM, pwalker@cyberway.com.sg writes: >But I also agree that they need to come up with a top-quality, high-speed >digital back soon... In a message dated 9/9/00 9:56:17 AM, InfinityDT@aol.com writes: > I'm not screaming for an affordable, fast, digital back with >film-quality resolution but it would be comforting for me to know that my >Hasselblad bodies, and especially lenses, would still be usable down the road >ten or fifteen years at least. I think Hasselblad will be around for a long time. It doesn't take a great deal of insight to realize that Hasselblad understands that digital imaging will be an important element for professional photographers in the immediate future. Not INSTEAD of silver based film; in ADDITION to it. I'm happy to see that they are configuring the new cameras (555ELD, and in all likelihood, all 200 series cameras) for compatibility with digital backs. And, by the way, the 555ELD is compatible with all CF, CFi, CFE & CB lenses. As are the 200-series cameras. We are in a period of dramatic improvements in digital backs, and companies like Hasselblad are waiting for standard interfaces to evolve (or perhaps working behind the scenes to help establish them). When I recently upgraded my Hasselblad system to a 203FE (instead of a 500c/m), one element in the decision was increased compatibility with digital backs; and the inevitability of $1000-$2000 digital backs within a few years. Film in the 120/220 format will be around for a long time. If people like us start using digital film INSTEAD, it will only be because it has surpassed the quality of silver based products. David G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:07:44 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <000001c01a99$9e9a3a80$0100a8c0@paolopent> I do not yet have a filter for the Biogon C lens, I have no idea what it's supposed to look like. The hood, that has "38" inscribed on it, screws on to the front of the lens. Where do I attach the filter? I would like to use the shade and the filter at the same time, and Ideally, I would like to have a good choice of filters (I do not see that many filters in 63mm (Series VIII) at B&H or at KEH. Thanks, Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Ian Goodrick [mailto:goodrick@appleonline.net] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 2:21 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon on 9/9/00 6:47 pm, Austin Franklin at austin@darkroom.com wrote: > The Biogon has no lense shade that I am aware of. > > ---------- > >> Is the retaining ring separate from the thread that I use to screw in the >> lens shade? > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html The Lens shade for the Bigon C has a space for the filter integral with the hood so ther is no need for a ring and a hood. In fact you need to discard the filter reating ring to use the hood Just slip the filter in to the back of the hood and attach to the lens. Regarding the Filter touching the lens. I have just had a good hard look at my camera and it is hard to see how close the rear of the filter is to the lens. I did cut a piece of white plastic with a straight edge that will span the lens. There seems to be a 1-2mm gab between the filter and the front element. This is on my camera, but I have never be aware of a problem of filters touching elements in any of the SWC's I have used. Just to confirm what we discussing. it is the 63mm filter with no thread that you are talking about? -- Ian Goodrick goodrick@appleonline.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:37:41 -0400 From: "Marc S Reubins MD" To: Subject: Re: OILS AND GREASES Message-ID: <001901c01a9d$cd6f8780$50c115d8@spec.net> Put me on your list. Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 1:37 PM Subject: Re: OILS AND GREASES > In a message dated 9/9/2000 11:37:18 AM Central Daylight Time, > proxar@eudoramail.com writes: > > << Hello, > I am thinking of importing a quanitu of Hasselblad oils and greases but need > to know who would be interested in them and > if there is enough people who would buy them. > I have a friend who has packaging machines and it is possible to package > these in nice vials or bottles. > > I was thinking of packaging oil in 5ml bottles and grease in 10-15 ml (1/2 > oz) air tight containers) and selling a kit for around $20 (packaging here > gets more expensive than the contents) > Please let me know if you are interested. > >> > Good afternoon, Millac: > > I would certainly be interested in purchasing several of your grease kits. > > Don Rorschach > donjr43198@aol.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:03:55 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: <01C01A80.69686800@user-2ive2j2.dialup.mindspring.com> > The Lens shade for the Bigon C I stand corrected, there is a shade listed for a 38mm C lense! Never seen one... > Regarding the Filter touching the lens. > Just to confirm what we discussing. it is the 63mm filter with no thread > that you are talking about? Yes. We are talking about a 63mm filter with no threads that drops into the front of the Biogon and is held in place with the filter retaining ring (and apparently the #40282 lense shade also ;-). Does your filter have offset glass? This phenomenon of the filter being able to damage the glass if put in 'wrong' may only pertain to the early Biogon, pre C... It appears from the pictures in The Hasselblad Compendium, that the later C lense has a much smaller front element...though the picture can be deceiving. I thought the optical formula for this lense has been the same since it was conceived, and I don't know if that means the elements can't be larger or smaller in diameter. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:08:14 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <39BAA6BD.61464974@rabiner.cncoffice.com> > And the Acumat screens were made for them by Minolta. Perhaps not anymore. Hasselblad must have bought some "laser" beams to make their own. Mark W. Rabiner :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:43:39 +0100 From: Ian Goodrick To: Subject: Re: Filters for Biogon Message-ID: on 9/9/00 10:03 pm, Austin Franklin at austin@darkroom.com wrote: >> The Lens shade for the Bigon C > > I stand corrected, there is a shade listed for a 38mm C lense! Never seen > one... It is the same as that for the 50mm C lens but about 2mm shallower. >> Regarding the Filter touching the lens. > >> Just to confirm what we discussing. it is the 63mm filter with no thread >> that you are talking about? > > Yes. We are talking about a 63mm filter with no threads that drops into > the front of the Biogon and is held in place with the filter retaining ring > (and apparently the #40282 lense shade also ;-). > > Does your filter have offset glass? Yes the filter has offset glass. One face is almost flush with the metal of the holder the other side has a ring holding the glass in the rim. It looks as if it is held in by a very short thread. This puts the glass 2 or 3mm away from the face of the filter holder > This phenomenon of the filter being able to damage the glass if put in > 'wrong' may only pertain to the early Biogon, pre C... It appears from the > pictures in The Hasselblad Compendium, that the later C lense has a much > smaller front element...though the picture can be deceiving. I thought the > optical formula for this lense has been the same since it was conceived, > and I don't know if that means the elements can't be larger or smaller in > diameter. You may be correct regarding older pre C lenses and filters touching . Like you I think the optical formulae has not changed but the metal work surrounding it has. Could this be why the elements look different? -- Ian Goodrick goodrick@appleonline.net ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 2000 12:57:25 +0900 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC Message-ID: > Can anyone think of a reason not to purchase a "new" sealed SWC (if > the price is right) from an authorize dealer who has had it in > inventory since the 80"s? which reminds me that the serial number > begins with 98... > Any help would be appreciated like would the leather still be ok and > would the lubrication likely be as it is supposed to be? > Thanks > MB The serial number should begin with 2 letters, which designate the year of manufacture. Use the following decoding key: V H P I C T U R E S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 So, a serial number such as RC xxxxxxxx would mean the camera was made in 1985. Check that the film advance and shutter work smoothly both with and without a film back attached. Check that the glass is clean and there are no scratch, etc. Check that the black flocking inside the camera between the rear lens element and the back of the camera is in good shape and not falling off. Does it come with a finder? You'll need one to use the camera easily. If everything is okay and the price is right, buy it! Then go to a certified Hassie tech and have him check it out. You'll probably need to have the moving parts relubed, if the camera has been sitting without use for 15 years. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 15:35:34 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <39BABB36.5BDA45A0@rabiner.cncoffice.com> Colin Monteith wrote: > > InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > > > First I've heard that Hasselblad has a problem with repeat business. > > My point was that selling you a camera at the frequency most Hasselblad owners pick one up is a > Colin these guys are always coming out with more upgraded gizmos they're not dumb. My CM works like a charm but i should upgrade to the CW and get a full mirror no blackout at the top with my 150 c lens which needs to be replaced with a CF upgraded version. My 50mm CF lens needs to be upgraded as it does not have FLE's! And Hell i should not even have a 150 at all but a 180 with a 120 and i should make sure i get the new kind which focus almost as easily as any other camera! About the only back i don't have is the 32 and I'd love that 32 on a roll but I can't shoot verticals unless i have that new low slung 90 degree finder but that's no good without the side mounted motor! I've got a full Hasselblad system now but I'm an idiot and falling way far behind unless i put another 10 grand into it (US bucks) tomorrow! No Victors marketing boys are doing great. Mark William Rabiner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:39:19 -0400 From: Marcober To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC Message-ID: <39BACA27.DF34A78F@gate.net> Thanks for your help, but the point is that the box is sealed so the negotiations have to be done and the money changed hands BEFORE we open the box. Of course, the purchase price will be negotiated based upon the fact that the product has been on the dealer's shelve for so many years. Any ideas what I should offer for such a pig in a polk? Thanks MB Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Can anyone think of a reason not to purchase a "new" sealed SWC (if > > the price is right) from an authorize dealer who has had it in > > inventory since the 80"s? which reminds me that the serial number > > begins with 98... > > Any help would be appreciated like would the leather still be ok and > > would the lubrication likely be as it is supposed to be? > > Thanks > > MB > > The serial number should begin with 2 letters, which designate the > year of manufacture. Use the following decoding key: > > V H P I C T U R E S > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 > > So, a serial number such as RC xxxxxxxx would mean the camera was made > in 1985. > > Check that the film advance and shutter work smoothly both with and > without a film back attached. Check that the glass is clean and there > are no scratch, etc. Check that the black flocking inside the camera > between the rear lens element and the back of the camera is in good > shape and not falling off. Does it come with a finder? You'll need > one to use the camera easily. > > If everything is okay and the price is right, buy it! Then go to a > certified Hassie tech and have him check it out. You'll probably need > to have the moving parts relubed, if the camera has been sitting > without use for 15 years. > > -- > Patrick Bartek > NoLife Polymath Group > bartek@pdai.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:48:56 -0800 From: deardorff1@earthlink.net To: Subject: Re: OILS AND GREASES Message-ID: IN ORDER NOT TO WASTE BANDWIDTH FOR THIS MATTER, PLEASE CONTACT ME AT MY PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS proxar@eudoramail.com IF YOU WISH TO ORDER THESE LUBRICANTS. Thank you! > From: "Marc S Reubins MD" > Reply-To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:37:41 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: OILS AND GREASES > > Put me on your list. Marc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: OILS AND GREASES > > >> In a message dated 9/9/2000 11:37:18 AM Central Daylight Time, >> proxar@eudoramail.com writes: >> >> << Hello, >> I am thinking of importing a quanitu of Hasselblad oils and greases but > need >> to know who would be interested in them and >> if there is enough people who would buy them. >> I have a friend who has packaging machines and it is possible to package >> these in nice vials or bottles. >> >> I was thinking of packaging oil in 5ml bottles and grease in 10-15 ml > (1/2 >> oz) air tight containers) and selling a kit for around $20 (packaging here >> gets more expensive than the contents) >> Please let me know if you are interested. >>>> >> Good afternoon, Millac: >> >> I would certainly be interested in purchasing several of your grease kits. >> >> Don Rorschach >> donjr43198@aol.com >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. >> >> To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >> Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:23:41 -0700 From: Mattei To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000909192341.007aac90@popped.cts.com> Patrick: I'm very curious. How could a dealer have had this SWC/M without unloading it sooner? Do you live in Barking Fish, Nevada? Sounds like a wonderful find and more than likely everything will be perfect. Offer 1500.00. Cash. Not a penny more. He can't wholesale it for any more. That's a fair price for both parties. If he holds out for more, walk away. I unearthed a new '68 500C system back in May. Everything is perfectly butter-smooth. I'll probably have it lubricated (with KRYTOX) and re-sealed for Christmas but, for now, it feels perfect. Peter Mattei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:25:46 -0700 From: Mattei To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000909192546.007aac90@popped.cts.com> Hi all: Last msg addressed to Patrick should have been to Marc. Oh, well.... ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #984 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. 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