hasselblad Tue, 12 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 986 In this issue: Film recommendations? Re: Fifteen year old SWC Re: Film recommendations? Re: ELM/ELX Polaroid Back RE: Film recommendations? Re: Film recommendations? Re: Sekonic meter F/S Re: The Spirit of the Company Re: Sekonic meter F/S Re: filters for Biogon Re: ELM/ELX Polaroid Back Re: ELM/ELX Polaroid Back RE: filters for Biogon Re: Film recommendations? Re: Fifteen year old SWC Re: Fifteen year old SWC Re: OILS AND GREASES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:07:41 +0100 From: Ian Goodrick To: Subject: Message-ID: on 9/9/00 10:43 pm, Ian Goodrick at goodrick@appleonline.net wrote: Just to add some information to this thread. I had a good look at both my 63mm filters today. This is going to sound bad but in 12 years I had never noticed that one of my filters is coated and the other is non coated. At least they reflect light differently so I assume this is down to coating. Also the filter that is not coated has much less offset than the coated filter. Now assuming again that the coated filter is newer perhaps this is the source of the problem of 63mm filters touching the front element of older Biogons. -- Ian Goodrick goodrick@appleonline.net > on 9/9/00 10:03 pm, Austin Franklin at austin@darkroom.com wrote: > >>> The Lens shade for the Bigon C >> >> I stand corrected, there is a shade listed for a 38mm C lense! Never seen >> one... > > It is the same as that for the 50mm C lens but about 2mm shallower. > >>> Regarding the Filter touching the lens. >> >>> Just to confirm what we discussing. it is the 63mm filter with no thread >>> that you are talking about? >> >> Yes. We are talking about a 63mm filter with no threads that drops into >> the front of the Biogon and is held in place with the filter retaining ring >> (and apparently the #40282 lense shade also ;-). >> >> Does your filter have offset glass? > > Yes the filter has offset glass. One face is almost flush with the metal of > the holder the other side has a ring holding the glass in the rim. It looks as > if it is held in by a very short thread. This puts the glass 2 or 3mm away > from the face of the filter holder > >> This phenomenon of the filter being able to damage the glass if put in >> 'wrong' may only pertain to the early Biogon, pre C... It appears from the >> pictures in The Hasselblad Compendium, that the later C lense has a much >> smaller front element...though the picture can be deceiving. I thought the >> optical formula for this lense has been the same since it was conceived, >> and I don't know if that means the elements can't be larger or smaller in >> diameter. > > You may be correct regarding older pre C lenses and filters touching . Like > you I think the optical formulae has not changed but the metal work > surrounding it has. > > Could this be why the elements look different? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:37:31 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Film recommendations? Message-ID: <4d.aa248b.26ee482b@aol.com> I plan to do some fall foliage work in the northeast next month and wish to shoot slow-speed color negative film because my end-use is large display prints and I like the greater tonal range/less contrasty nature of neg film. I would like to get some feedback from anyone who regularly uses color neg for landscapes as to which film they prefer and why. The films I've seen available are: Fuji Superia 100 (evidently Reala has been discontinued at least in 120); Agfa Optima II 100; Agfa Ultra (I've tried this, very contrasty like chrome film); and finally I'm wondering about Portra 160VC. The literature suggests uses but not landscape. My experience with Portra 400NC suggests the Portra films are great, so it would seem that 160VC would be just right for my purpose. Anyone tried it for landscapes? Thanks very much. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:59:57 -0800 From: deardorff1@earthlink.net To: Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC Message-ID: Please let us know how much you paid for it, we are duying to know, and if the camera was inside or a rock. After all that's at least you owe to this newsgroup. Enjoy the camera (if in box) > From: COHIBA7@aol.com > Reply-To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:45:30 EDT > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC > > I'll take it! Thread over! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:39:52 +0000 From: b.ferster@att.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Film recommendations? Message-ID: <20000911143955.EHGI2687.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I have used Portra NC 160 for fall shooting with great results. -- .............B.F............... > I plan to do some fall foliage work in the northeast next month and wish to > shoot slow-speed color negative film because my end-use is large display > prints and I like the greater tonal range/less contrasty nature of neg film. > I would like to get some feedback from anyone who regularly uses color neg > for landscapes as to which film they prefer and why. The films I've seen > available are: Fuji Superia 100 (evidently Reala has been discontinued at > least in 120); Agfa Optima II 100; Agfa Ultra (I've tried this, very > contrasty like chrome film); and finally I'm wondering about Portra 160VC. > The literature suggests uses but not landscape. My experience with Portra > 400NC suggests the Portra films are great, so it would seem that 160VC would > be just right for my purpose. Anyone tried it for landscapes? Thanks very > much. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way > affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:06:34 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: ELM/ELX Polaroid Back Message-ID: Mark, Due to the protruding motor/battery arrangement of the ELM/ELX, not all = P-backs will work. This reason, along with the complexity, expense and = weight of the batteries and motors, is good reason to get a more practical = body, such as a 500 C/M, if your personal taste is such that you can live = without the motor. Opinions aside, I am fairly certain the NPC Polaroid back will not fit, as = it "hangs low" on the body and would run into the motor. On the other = hand, a Polaroid back that "hangs high" like the Hasselblad official back = would most likely fit. Let me also point out that a back that "hangs = high" may interfere with certain prisms, including the Kiev. I think you = want the Hasselblad 100. Hope this helps guide your choice. The list archives are good on this = topic. Just Saturday, a Polaroid helped me see that my background of a = wooded area was dark, and my flash too bright. I adjusted both and got = just the look I was after. Without the Polaroid, I would have gotten the = wrong look. Plus, it was a fun little present for the couple, joused in a = small folder. Peter >>> markrut@ticnet.com 09/10/00 11:45PM >>> Didn't find much in the archives, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has any experience w/ P-backs for the ELM/ELX. Are their any older backs(Arca-Swiss,Klinger, Older Hasselblad) that will work or do I have = to look only for the newer ones? Thanks. Mark Rutledge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:11:34 -0500 From: "WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB)" To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Film recommendations? Message-ID: <41D2696EE385D0118DE90020AFFC1E5C063FD686@jsc-ems-mbs09.jsc.nasa.gov> I've used KODAK PORTRA 160 VC as was recommended by KODAK film rep's when I asked them what print film by Kodak would work well on an outdoor landscape photo shoot in the Pacific North West. I liked it, but over all liked the FUJI PROVIA and ASTIA slide film better (when exposed just right). I like to bring a few differ'nt films with me depending on the variouse situations I get in. Over all PORTRA 160 VC is very good print film in many situations, but like all films, there's no film that's perfect for everything. -----Original Message----- From: InfinityDT@aol.com [mailto:InfinityDT@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:38 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Film recommendations? I plan to do some fall foliage work in the northeast next month and wish to shoot slow-speed color negative film because my end-use is large display prints and I like the greater tonal range/less contrasty nature of neg film. I would like to get some feedback from anyone who regularly uses color neg for landscapes as to which film they prefer and why. The films I've seen available are: Fuji Superia 100 (evidently Reala has been discontinued at least in 120); Agfa Optima II 100; Agfa Ultra (I've tried this, very contrasty like chrome film); and finally I'm wondering about Portra 160VC. The literature suggests uses but not landscape. My experience with Portra 400NC suggests the Portra films are great, so it would seem that 160VC would be just right for my purpose. Anyone tried it for landscapes? Thanks very much. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:59:32 +0200 From: Ragnar Hansen To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Film recommendations? Message-ID: <39BD55C4.F3CFCB12@powertech.no> I have had great results with Porta 160NC. To get a little more contrast and colour saturation I extend the developing time with 30 seconds, but keep the meter on 160 still. This film is the sharpest I have ever used and you can get extremely good result up to 16-18 times linear enlargement. The grain compares to what you get from Konica Impresa 50. I use Ilfocolour 2000 paper who gives good details in the shadows with 160NC, in contrary to the Kodak papers. Ragnar Hansen InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > I plan to do some fall foliage work in the northeast next month and wish to > shoot slow-speed color negative film because my end-use is large display > prints and I like the greater tonal range/less contrasty nature of neg film. > I would like to get some feedback from anyone who regularly uses color neg > for landscapes as to which film they prefer and why. The films I've seen > available are: Fuji Superia 100 (evidently Reala has been discontinued at > least in 120); Agfa Optima II 100; Agfa Ultra (I've tried this, very > contrasty like chrome film); and finally I'm wondering about Portra 160VC. > The literature suggests uses but not landscape. My experience with Portra > 400NC suggests the Portra films are great, so it would seem that 160VC would > be just right for my purpose. Anyone tried it for landscapes? Thanks very > much. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:22:15 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: Sekonic meter F/S Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911132141.00a81700@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:38 AM 09/09/2000, you wrote: >I am going to give them a call and find out for sure. Why am I not surprised? -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:25:23 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911132457.00b0da60@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:38 AM 09/09/2000, you wrote: > >The Hasselblad/Fuji teaming seems to be a bit of a "mass market" entry. > >Didn't Leica try something similar 20 years ago with Minolta (Leica CL)? By the same token, isn't it Minolta who makes the Acute-matte screen for Hasselblad? -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:26:04 -0500 From: Lynda B To: Subject: Re: Sekonic meter F/S Message-ID: Hahahaha! > > At 03:38 AM 09/09/2000, you wrote: >> I am going to give them a call and find out for sure. > > Why am I not surprised? > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:45:27 +0100 From: Ian Goodrick To: Subject: Re: filters for Biogon Message-ID: Sorry for not putting subject line on last post. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:02:43 -0400 From: Carl Socolow To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: ELM/ELX Polaroid Back Message-ID: <39BD2C53.33532127@mindspring.com> Peter Klosky wrote: SNIP > Opinions aside, I am fairly certain the NPC Polaroid back will not fit, as it "hangs low" on the body and would run into the motor. On the other hand, a Polaroid back that "hangs high" like the Hasselblad official back would most likely fit. Let me also point out that a back that "hangs high" may interfere with certain prisms, including the Kiev. I think you want the Hasselblad 100. SNIP > Peter Peter and Mark, The NPC MF2 Polaroid back works on the ELM even when using it with the PM5 prism. Obviously, it goes with saying that the waistlevel will work also. The NPC MF1 won't work on this body. Also, the MF2 has a fiber optic plate against the film emulsion to guarantee that focus is at the same plane on the Polaroid back as it is on a regular Hasselblad film back. -- Carl Socolow http://members.tripod.com/SocPhoto/ New email address: csocolow@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:12:10 -0700 From: "Peter Klosky" To: , Subject: Re: ELM/ELX Polaroid Back Message-ID: Carl, The NPC MF-2 sounds interesting. I suspect the NPC MF-1 is more common, = and probably the one I have. Since the MF-2 fits the ELM, it must "hang = high." I wonder if the NPC MF-2 fits the Kiev prism? My guess is = probably not. Peter >>> Carl Socolow 09/11/00 03:02PM >>> The NPC MF2 Polaroid back works on the ELM even when using it with the PM5 prism. Obviously, it goes with saying that the waistlevel will work also. The NPC MF1 won't work on this body. Also, the MF2 has a fiber optic plate against the film emulsion to guarantee that focus is at the same plane on the Polaroid back as it is on a regular Hasselblad film back. >>Peter Klosky wrote: The NPC Polaroid back will not fit, as it "hangs low" on the body and = would run into the motor. On the other hand, a Polaroid back that "hangs = high" like the Hasselblad official back would most likely fit. Let me = also point out that a back that "hangs high" may interfere with certain = prisms, including the Kiev. I think you want the Hasselblad 100. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:58:15 -0400 From: "Paolo Pignatelli" To: Subject: RE: filters for Biogon Message-ID: <000401c01c2a$a011f730$0100a8c0@paolopent> Thanks for all the helpful info. Now, on to finding the filters... . (In case anyone is looking with filters, please contact me). Paolo Paolo Pignatelli -----Original Message----- From: Ian Goodrick [mailto:goodrick@appleonline.net] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 2:45 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: filters for Biogon Sorry for not putting subject line on last post. Ian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:38:36 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Film recommendations? Message-ID: <39BD50DC.96F330D8@rabiner.cncoffice.com> b.ferster@att.net wrote: > > I have used Portra NC 160 for fall shooting with great > results. > -- > .............B.F............... >I vote for the snappier stuff, the VC or VS whatever it's called. GREAT stuff! mark rabiner ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 2000 14:17:41 +0900 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC Message-ID: > Thanks for your help, but the point is that the box is sealed so the > negotiations have to be done and the money changed hands BEFORE we > open the box. Of course, the purchase price will be negotiated based > upon the fact that the > product has been on the dealer's shelve for so many years. > Any ideas what I should offer for such a pig in a polk? > Thanks > MB Firstly, ALL negotiations should be conditional that the item is fully working and as represented. If at the time that the box is opened and the item examined and tested, it is not as assumed, then a renegotiation on the purchase price is necessary, even to the point of a full refund, if it is fully non-working or otherwised damaged. (I myself don't like buying a pig-in-a-poke. You don't buy a car just by looking at the picture in a brochure and studying the specs, do you?) As far as a good price for it.... If it were manufactured in 1985, that would make it a SWC/M in Prontor shutter, T* CF lens most likely. Does it come with a film back? And a finder, too? Or is it body only? A friend of mine bought that exact model in 1985, new with finder, but no film back and paid $1500 for it. However, it was a display model, but in Like New condition. Today, Ex+ models are going for around $2500, at least; Mint for $2700; Like New for around $3000. That is, if you can find them at all. A quick look in Shutterbug magazine at major used Hasselblad dealers revealed only 2 listed, one Ex++ for $3395, which is too much, and the other for $2495, but this could have been a Compur shutter model. I suspect that both are without backs or finders. For what you're looking at, I'd say $3000 max, if it's a Prontor shutter one ($2500 for the older Compur SWC/M one). Since you're buying it sight unseen, I'd first offer $1500 (about what it sold for new through mail order in 1985), and go from there. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 2000 14:38:45 +0900 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fifteen year old SWC Message-ID: > Patrick: > > I'm very curious. How could a dealer have had this SWC/M without > unloading it sooner? Do you live in Barking Fish, Nevada? Sounds like a > wonderful find and more than likely everything will be perfect. Offer > 1500.00. Cash. Not a penny more. He can't wholesale it for any more. > That's a fair price for both parties. If he holds out for more, walk away. Even though you addressed this to the wrong person, I'll answer your question, anyway: SWCs are not big movers, because of the high cost; it's not reflex; and it is only about 15 degrees wider than the 50, which most Hassie owners buy as their first (and only) wide-angle. That's a lot of money for such a little bit more angle of view, wouldn't you say? And it's not Barking Fish, Nevada. It's Pup Fish; and all the residents -- both of us, along with 200 wild burros -- are very proud of our little community. ;-) (FWIW: there really is a Pup fish and it only inhabits the desert Southwest. It's eggs can last for decades in dry lakes, then come to life when there is sufficient rain. They can even leave the pond and walk across dry land on fins that are part fin, part foot to find a better pond. Quite interesting little creatures.) -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:58:12 -0700 From: "Proxar Photo" To: "S Gardner" Cc: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: OILS AND GREASES Message-ID: Hello Scott, I think it should be here within the next 2-3 weeks. I am still working on a most suitable packaging solutions. if more people are interested, please contact me throughmy e-mail address proxar@eudoramail.com -- On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:20:33 S Gardner wrote: >I'm interested. When do you anticipate availability? > >===== >Thanks for your time and reply/Scott Gardner > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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