hasselblad                     Fri, 15 Sep 2000          Volume 1 : Number 989

In this issue:

        Re: Introduction...
        Photokina
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: Film recommendations?
        Re: what film and filter?
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: Film recommendations?
        What happened to the SWC?
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Hasselblad user - Michael Kenna
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Re: best tripod for hassy
        Film recommendations?
        Re: Flexbody


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:40:17 EDT
From: COHIBA7@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Introduction...
Message-ID: <de.9e2b784.26f21321@aol.com>

That's funny!

Regards!

Laughing Cow

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:48:57 +0200
From: "Dr. Ulrik Neupert" <neupert@int.fhg.de>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Photokina
Message-ID: <39C0BB29.26AA31D5@int.fhg.de>

Will there be somebody else of this group visiting the Photokina on
Friday, 22nd ? Would be nice to see some of the faces behind these
cheesy emails.

See you in Cologne

Ulrik

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:51:13 -0500
From: Lynda B <lbotez@dukat.cs.wisc.edu>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <B5E66C31.3BA0%lbotez@dukat.cs.wisc.edu>

> << haha  I already have one of those (3001) (for my 35mm)...
> 
> It just seems so flimsy. I don't want to have the thing topple over on me.
> I just put the camera on it.. it sets there okay, but it seems so cheezy >>
> <snip> 
> 
 
> My 3001 has never toppled over and 90% of my Hasselblad use is outdoors in
> rugged terrain. But it is the definitely not the tripod you should buy.  You
> need a much larger, much heavier and much more expensive one.  A serious
> tripod, one that won't make you go "haha".


I don't need a heavier or expensive one. However, I did take the camera out
yesterday with the 3001, and while it works, I don't really feel it has the
support I want. I HAVE knocked over this tripod; it doesn't seem solid
enough unless I bring a weight of some kind.

That's why I NEVER considered it for my Hasselblad. Also, I used Mamiya RB's
at school all last year, and try and set one of those on a 3001. Why, I
never even CONSIDERED the 3001 an appropriate tripod for medium format. It
didn't even dawn on me to even try it. Though I have to admit the hassy is
pretty light compared to the RB.

I'm glad it works for you. I've been using my Bogen 3233 with the hassy when
I needed a tripod, and it works just fine; it's just heavy and a pain to set
up and lug around.

I was just asking for suggestions.  I was just surprised when you mentioned
you favored a tripod I ALREADY OWNED... (I only have 2)   <haha>

I don't care about the status or price. That's why my camera is using old
chrome lenses and beat-up old 12 backs (all working fine, btw). I do care
about quality, though.

I've also heard about Gitzo tripods; my instructor told me to get one if I
ever buy a new tripod. I like the Bogan 3233, and the 3001 is okay. When I
bought it I didn't know much about photography and I was just lucky that I
ended up with a Bogan (I didn't even know who they were); I just wanted a
tripod.

We don't have very good camera stores here in Madison, Wisconsin. So a lot
of these tripods aren't on display. I can't afford a carbon tripod... I
don't think I need one either.

-Lynda

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:33:56 EDT
From: InfinityDT@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <91.881aa3.26f26604@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/14/00 12:51:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
lbotez@dukat.cs.wisc.edu writes:

<< However, I did take the camera out
 yesterday with the 3001, and while it works, I don't really feel it has the
 support I want. I HAVE knocked over this tripod; it doesn't seem solid
 enough unless I bring a weight of some kind.
 
 That's why I NEVER considered it for my Hasselblad. Also, I used Mamiya RB's
 at school all last year, and try and set one of those on a 3001. Why, I
 never even CONSIDERED the 3001 an appropriate tripod for medium format. It
 didn't even dawn on me to even try it. Though I have to admit the hassy is
 pretty light compared to the RB. >>

I think I misunderstood your concerns.   According to Bogen Photo the 3001 is 
rated for 13 lbs.  The 3262 medium ball head is rated for 8.8 lbs and itself 
weighs 1 lb.  They say their ratings are very conservative, to avoid customer 
problems.  According to Hasselblad USA a 503CW, A12, CF150 and PM5 together 
weigh 7 lbs 10 Oz. That's 1 lb less than Bogen's conservative rating for the 
ballhead and (adding in the weight of the ballhead) 4 lbs 6 oz less than what 
the tripod is rated at.  Hardly what I'd call pushing the envelope. But this 
is all in regards to the tripod legs *bending and collapsing*.
If your concern is the tripod falling over sideways, only two things will 
lessen that possibility (besides watching your own feet and elbows, and 
making sure the camera strap isn't loose so you can catch on it): mass and 
footprint.  A heavier tripod (or hanging your camera bag from a hook 
underneath the center column), or a tripod with a larger leg spread (taller 
tripod with legs spread to the second detent) is what will give you 
stability.  

All said, the choice of a tripod is also dictated by your use. I often 
venture far afield and prefer to burden myself with more lenses and film and 
less tripod.  I took my tips from Galen Rowell who uses a Gitzo 026 that 
weighs the same as the Nikon F5 he mounts on it.  It's a matter of priorities 
and technique.  I'm willing to faithfully never walk away from the tripod 
when the camera is on it, never use the center-column extended, hang a bag 
underneath, etc.  

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:39:09 -0700
From: Mattei <mattei@cts.com>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000914103909.007b8100@popped.cts.com>

-SNIP-  A heavier tripod (or hanging your camera bag from a hook 
>underneath the center column), or a tripod with a larger leg spread (taller 
>tripod with legs spread to the second detent) is what will give you 
>stability. 

Infinity DT:

That's right.  I have, in the past, lugged-around the FOBA tripod and
benefitted from its mass, joking that It would be great to have someone
extra just to carry it.  One day, I woke up.  I went to the hardware store
and got some shock cord.  With this, I just take a strain from my bag to
the head or leg-set of my lighter Linhof tripods.  No stress, no worries.
The FOBA stays in-house.

Peter Mattei
 

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:44:00 -0700
From: "Bill Fowle" <fowlefoto@gobc.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: Film recommendations?
Message-ID: <002801ca333a$912f5b00$01c804c0@cr974313a>

No one has yet mentioned the Agfa Ultra 50. Extremely fine grain and also
the most saturated colour print film on the market.

Bill Fowle  (bill@gobc.com)
Fowle Foto  (fowlefoto@gobc.com)
http://www.gobc.com/fowlefoto

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:11:45 -0400
From: "Bill Rektorik-Contractor" <billr@arl.army.mil>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: what film and filter?
Message-ID: <OFC7701D36.BF811A34-ON85256958.0051EE3D@arl.army.mil>

KS,

Be careful at the race, a track worker was killed Sunday at the Grand Prix
in Monza Italy.
Debris hit him after several cars crashed together.
On another note, there is a book that I own, called Freezing Speed, which
is strickly about
Grand Prix photography. I forgot the auther/photographers name. Its a very
good book.
As far as film, I would probably use Kodak E100S or Fuji Provia 400F
(RHPIII).
The Provia would probably be safer for bad weather and Fuji claims it can
be pushed to 1600.
Good luck and enjoy the race.

P.S.
World Champianship Grand Prix racing is the second most photographed sport
in the world behind soccor.

Bill

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:22:10 EDT
From: InfinityDT@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <7c.aeb3b13.26f27152@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/14/00 1:47:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattei@cts.com 
writes:

<< I went to the hardware store
 and got some shock cord.  With this, I just take a strain from my bag to
 the head or leg-set of my lighter Linhof tripods. >>

With Gitzo tripods (and the Kirk Enterprises short columns also) there's a 
female thread in the base of the center column.  I buy what are called (in 
the US at least) "eye-bolts" which are like a closed-end hook (hooks snag 
things) that thread into the column.  To this I use an "S" hook to attach the 
camera bag .  The newer Gitzos have a built-in hook.  I would still pinch 
this closed and use an S hook.  Another tripod stabilizing device which can 
be attached with the s hook is a bicycle innertube.  Then just step it to the 
ground with your foot.

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:24:52 EDT
From: InfinityDT@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Film recommendations?
Message-ID: <5e.9fbf93.26f271f4@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/14/00 2:21:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fowlefoto@gobc.com writes:

<< No one has yet mentioned the Agfa Ultra 50. Extremely fine grain and also
 the most saturated colour print film on the market. >>

I've used Ultra a lot.  Saturated, and how!  But I found it to be just as 
contrasty and narrow-latitude as chrome so not to my advantage.

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:38:02 -0400
From: "Stuart Phillips" <stuart.phillips@umb.edu>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: What happened to the SWC?
Message-ID: <005101c01ce8$95319960$3674799e@umb.edu>

I think we all deserve an answer to the fate of the 15-year-old superwide!

What gives?

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:41:32 -0400
From: "Stuart Phillips" <stuart.phillips@umb.edu>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <005901c01ce9$12743fe0$3674799e@umb.edu>

This is the best description I have ever read in English for what Leonardo
called a Hassy-catapulto. It was from this strange device that Galileo
developed the telescope.

Seriously though, I'd hate to describe this to an insurance company. "And
then you put your.."


----- Original Message -----
From: <InfinityDT@aol.com>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy


> In a message dated 9/14/00 1:47:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mattei@cts.com
> writes:
>
> << I went to the hardware store
>  and got some shock cord.  With this, I just take a strain from my bag to
>  the head or leg-set of my lighter Linhof tripods. >>
>
> With Gitzo tripods (and the Kirk Enterprises short columns also) there's a
> female thread in the base of the center column.  I buy what are called (in
> the US at least) "eye-bolts" which are like a closed-end hook (hooks snag
> things) that thread into the column.  To this I use an "S" hook to attach
the
> camera bag .  The newer Gitzos have a built-in hook.  I would still pinch
> this closed and use an S hook.  Another tripod stabilizing device which
can
> be attached with the s hook is a bicycle innertube.  Then just step it to
the
> ground with your foot.
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:46:44 -0500
From: Lynda B <lbotez@dukat.cs.wisc.edu>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <B5E68744.3BAD%lbotez@dukat.cs.wisc.edu>

>A heavier tripod (or hanging your camera bag from a hook
>underneath the center column), or a tripod with a larger leg spread (taller
>tripod with legs spread to the second detent) is what will give you
>stability.  

That's it!  I think a taller tripod is what I want. I often have the 3001
all the way out... seems rather feeble on those bottom legs... plus I often
extend out the center-column. Now you can see why I'm concerned.


>All said, the choice of a tripod is also dictated by your use. I often
>venture far afield and prefer to burden myself with more lenses and film and
>less tripod.  I took my tips from Galen Rowell who uses a Gitzo 026 that
>weighs the same as the Nikon F5 he mounts on it.  It's a matter of priorities
>and technique.  I'm willing to faithfully never walk away from the tripod
>when the camera is on it, never use the center-column extended, hang a bag
>underneath, etc.  

I like the idea of hanging something from the center column. I'm going to
try that. And what's your opinion on center columns (on more sturdier
tripods)?  Is it worth it to get a longer one?

I unfortunately like to walk away from the camera to meter light.  Probably
a bod habit I developed with my view camera. I guess I'm used to being in a
studio. I have this Sekonic 508 I got for school, and I like to meter light
a lot. <grin>

Thanks for the all the info.

-Lynda

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:52:00 -0700
From: Jim Stewart <jstewart@jkmicro.com>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <39C11E50.D6BED162@jkmicro.com>

Lynda B wrote:
> 
> >A heavier tripod (or hanging your camera bag from a hook
> >underneath the center column), or a tripod with a larger leg spread (taller
> >tripod with legs spread to the second detent) is what will give you
> >stability.

I really wanted to stay out of this thread, but I guess I have to put in
my 2 cents.  I picked up an old Quickset tripod designed for small
television cameras.  It was $30 at a swap meet.  It's heavy and the head
sucks, but it is incredibly solid.  I do alot of product shots under hot
lights with exposure times of 1/8 to 1 second and I have never had an
unsharp exposure with it.

Jim

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:16:57 -0400
From: "Stuart Phillips" <stuart.phillips@umb.edu>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <006301c01cee$04c99d90$3674799e@umb.edu>

I can see how someone might need to use one, but I don't like center columns
much.  In fact come to think of it neither of the pods I use now have them.
In the past I've had them, but as I say, don't like them.

I like the advice: "Get the sturdiest support you WILL carry."  As for
knocking the thing over, I think that's a good argument for getting and
using a monopod.  You will not knock it over because it won't stay up
without you.

snp
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynda B <lbotez@dukat.cs.wisc.edu>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy


> >A heavier tripod (or hanging your camera bag from a hook
> >underneath the center column), or a tripod with a larger leg spread
(taller
> >tripod with legs spread to the second detent) is what will give you
> >stability.
>
> That's it!  I think a taller tripod is what I want. I often have the 3001
> all the way out... seems rather feeble on those bottom legs... plus I
often
> extend out the center-column. Now you can see why I'm concerned.
>
>
> >All said, the choice of a tripod is also dictated by your use. I often
> >venture far afield and prefer to burden myself with more lenses and film
and
> >less tripod.  I took my tips from Galen Rowell who uses a Gitzo 026 that
> >weighs the same as the Nikon F5 he mounts on it.  It's a matter of
priorities
> >and technique.  I'm willing to faithfully never walk away from the tripod
> >when the camera is on it, never use the center-column extended, hang a
bag
> >underneath, etc.
>
> I like the idea of hanging something from the center column. I'm going to
> try that. And what's your opinion on center columns (on more sturdier
> tripods)?  Is it worth it to get a longer one?
>
> I unfortunately like to walk away from the camera to meter light.
Probably
> a bod habit I developed with my view camera. I guess I'm used to being in
a
> studio. I have this Sekonic 508 I got for school, and I like to meter
light
> a lot. <grin>
>
> Thanks for the all the info.
>
> -Lynda
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:35:08 +0100
From: "Gary Rowlands" <growlands@cwcom.net>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Hasselblad user - Michael Kenna
Message-ID: <00c301c01e83$86790100$0d022cc3@default>

Michael has used a Hasselblad with a wide angle lens.  I've visited a few of
his locations and estimate that he is using a lens wider than 50mm.  Does
anyone know if he uses a 40mm or an SWC?

Gaz

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:40:13 EDT
From: InfinityDT@aol.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <13.ac0b615.26f291ad@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/14/00 2:47:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
lbotez@dukat.cs.wisc.edu writes:

<< And what's your opinion on center columns (on more sturdier
 tripods)?  Is it worth it to get a longer one?
 
 I unfortunately like to walk away from the camera to meter light. >>

By "a longer one" you mean the center column?  Center columns are great in 
the studio and on location with flash.  A long center column makes a 3-legged 
monopod.  With long lenses and/or slow shutter speeds they're the death 
rattle of sharp photographs.  Cut it off, get a short one, use a bolt and 
washers to attach the head directly to the yoke....*anything* but don't 
extend it or get a longer one.  Get a taller tripod than you are.  The 
advantage to that is if you're on a hill facing down you can extend the front 
leg and not lose height.  The rest of the time you never extend the skinniest 
legs, and you may even be able to spread the legs wider and still have enough 
height left, particularly if you use the waistlevel finder and frankly I've 
never seen the need for a prism for scenic/landscape use.  

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:44:06 -0700
From: Mark Rabiner <mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: best tripod for hassy
Message-ID: <39C162C6.31CA394A@rabiner.cncoffice.com>

Stuart Phillips wrote:
> 
> I can see how someone might need to use one, but I don't like center columns
> much.  In fact come to think of it neither of the pods I use now have them.
> In the past I've had them, but as I say, don't like them.
> 
> I like the advice: "Get the sturdiest support you WILL carry."  As for
> knocking the thing over, I think that's a good argument for getting and
> using a monopod.  You will not knock it over because it won't stay up
> without you.
> 
Those black foam things from Op/Tech make for a heavier tripod to throw over
ones shoulder!
I love them! The make a tripod much more friendlier to handle!

http://www.optechusa.com/dealer.htm


Mark W. Rabiner
:)

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:28:01 -0300
From: "Eduardo Aigner" <aigner.ez@terra.com.br>
To: <hasselblad@kelvin.net>
Subject: Film recommendations?
Message-ID: <011c01c01e79$8a524f20$8f0cd5c8@EduardoAigner>

> No one has yet mentioned the Agfa Ultra 50. Extremely fine grain and also
> the most saturated colour print film on the market.


    What happaned to Ektar 25??? Great print film.

    AIGNER

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:06:48 -0700
From: Phil Lindsay <fotophil@pacbell.net>
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Flexbody
Message-ID: <39C1A058.37D71B9F@pacbell.net>

Check Shutterbug - I have seen a number of used Flexibody for in the $1500 - 1800 price range.

It's a great little camera

Good luck

Phil

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