hasselblad Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 993 In this issue: Re: My Flexbody story "Portraits of Body" SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Re: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Re: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? SV: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Re: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Re: SV: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:41:33 -0400 From: Mike Callahan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: My Flexbody story "Portraits of Body" Message-ID: <39C5F15D.9BD63E56@america.net> Hi Phil, Bodie is certainly a beautiful place to photograph. I enjoyed your shots. Have thought about getting a flexbody and playing with it sometime too. Bodie seems to make great minds think alike... :-) http://www.mcallahan.net/california/falsefrt.jpg I liked the old mining town aspect of it also... http://www.mcallahan.net/california/minetown.jpg Enjoy... mike Callahan Artistic Photographics http://www.mcallahan.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:33:02 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ULF_SJ=D6GREN?= To: Subject: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Message-ID: <000701c0218e$1e46c140$757d97d4@s101194> ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----=20 Fr=E5n: Till: Skickat: den 17 september 2000 21:54 =C4mne: Re: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? > In a message dated Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:43:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = Marcober writes: >=20 > << Some of you, in the past have intimated that there is something = special > about the SWC, beyond the technical specifications of what it can do. = I, > for one would like those who so believe to explain exactly what they > mean.>> > I've heard it said that people either love or hate the SWC. I'm in = the latter group. The SWC is touted for its lack of distortion yet the = finder is extremely distorting, plus you get a view of half the lens = blocking the composition. Using graduated ND filters for landscape work = requires an additional ground-glass back. The only thing I liked about = the SWC was it takes B60 filters. >>>>"The SWC is touted for its lack of distortion yet the finder is = extremely distorting". Yes....and the focusing screens have a cross in the middle or lines at = the sides or top/bottom. Not to mention the horrible screens with a grid = pattern. .? On the other hand nothing of all this is visible on the = negs.....strange, strange indeed..... >>>>>"plus you get a view of half the lens blocking the composition"=20 True, true......could it......could it possibly be so that the SWC is a = rangefinder camera???? I've seen the same horrible thing on the Leica = with the Super Angulon and with a Linhof Technica when I didn't use the = focusing screen.=20 Such details as the availbility of a focusing screen, the compactness of = the camera, the outstandint result is of no importance as there are such = vital disadvantages with the camera. And one more thing; it has no handicap facilities as auto exposure or = auto winding either! Oh Horror, horror! ;-) Ulf > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's = subsidiaries, or affiliates. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: = http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at = http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at = http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:48:03 -0000 From: "Peter Jon White" To: Subject: Re: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Message-ID: <017f01c0216e$b25f8ee0$934343d8@office1> And one more thing; it has no handicap facilities as auto exposure or auto winding either! Oh Horror, horror! ;-) Ulf Indeed, here in the good ol' USA, it's been outlawed by the Americans for Disabilities Act. Federal storm troopers should be showing up at B&H any minute now. Peter Jon White ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:59:59 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Message-ID: <6b.9d6ca1b.26f7b21f@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/00 12:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ulf.sjogren@mbox310.swipnet.se writes: << Yes....and the focusing screens have a cross in the middle or lines at the sides or top/bottom. Not to mention the horrible screens with a grid pattern. .? On the other hand nothing of all this is visible on the negs.....strange, strange indeed..... >>>>>"plus you get a view of half the lens blocking the composition" True, true......could it......could it possibly be so that the SWC is a rangefinder camera???? I've seen the same horrible thing on the Leica with the Super Angulon and with a Linhof Technica when I didn't use the focusing screen. Such details as the availbility of a focusing screen, the compactness of the camera, the outstandint result is of no importance as there are such vital disadvantages with the camera. And one more thing; it has no handicap facilities as auto exposure or auto winding either! Oh Horror, horror! >> Geez, sorry lady, I didn't mean to call your baby ugly. What Leica Super Angulon were you dreaming about? I have 2 of them, chrome and black, and a current generation 21 Elmarit ASPH. Sure you can see the lens in the corner of the camera's finder but not the one you frame through, genius. I have 2 Leica 21mm finders, plus a Yashica and a Contax G. Even with the rectangular lenshoods in place, *not a bit* of them are visible in *any* of the finders. I use a 15mm Cosina Heliar and you can't see it in the finder either. In fact, I carry an M4/Super Angulon as my ultra-wide whenever I am using the Hasselblad, because my widest lens is the 50 FLE. Next. Yes, there's a focusing screen available. Yes, you need to take the back off to use it and put the back on again to shoot. Yes, you need the RM2 to upright the image, in the regular prism it's still upside-down. Yes the corners of the screen are dark. No, if I wanted the inconveniences of a view camera I'd want the rest of the advantages as well. And compact? The SWC is not more so than a 40 CFE, especially if you count the viewfinder, focusing back and reflex finder. And then...what does all that ranting about auto-exposure or auto-winding have to do with the question that was asked about the SWC? A 501CM doesn't have any more automation than the SWC. I'm not defending the 40 CFE Distagon, either. The extra set of saucer-sized filters I'd need to buy and carry around (that sit up-front un-shaded to catch ghost reflections) have kept it out of my bag so far. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:43:54 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ULF_SJ=D6GREN?= To: Subject: SV: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Message-ID: <000e01c021a0$66210d60$c38997d4@s101194> To answer you which Leica I'm dreaming of is simple: no Leica, I like = them but never dream of them. That the lens was visible in the = rangefinder I saw in the early 70ies, don't know which series, not so = interested either, use cameras for taking pictures. If the picture is = upside down in the finder bothers me not at all after all years with = studio cameras and I think that goes for most people who uses their = equipment much. You get so used to it that you can tell what will be on = the frame by 1 or 2 degrees just you've decided where to set the centre = spot. What I meant with saying that the SWC has no auto-exposure or = auto-winding was that of course there are things some people could whine = about. But at last it all comes down to one thing: the picture and = it=B4s qualities. And there I've seen quite a lot (yes, at Hasselblad = centre too). And not much beats the SWC qualities. Even if the = searcher isn't free from distortion and even if the grey filters = (graduated) are difficult to get in correct position. It...looks like = some people doesn't care, they just take pictures, good pictures. Ulf ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----=20 Fr=E5n: Till: Skickat: den 18 september 2000 19:59 =C4mne: Re: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? > In a message dated 9/18/00 12:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 > ulf.sjogren@mbox310.swipnet.se writes: >=20 > << Yes....and the focusing screens have a cross in the middle or lines = at the=20 > sides or top/bottom. Not to mention the horrible screens with a grid = pattern.=20 > .? On the other hand nothing of all this is visible on the = negs.....strange,=20 > strange indeed..... > >>>>>"plus you get a view of half the lens blocking the composition"=20 > True, true......could it......could it possibly be so that the SWC is = a=20 > rangefinder camera???? I've seen the same horrible thing on the Leica = with=20 > the Super Angulon and with a Linhof Technica when I didn't use the = focusing=20 > screen.=20 > Such details as the availbility of a focusing screen, the compactness = of the=20 > camera, the outstandint result is of no importance as there are such = vital=20 > disadvantages with the camera. > And one more thing; it has no handicap facilities as auto exposure = or=20 > auto winding either! > Oh Horror, horror! >> >=20 > Geez, sorry lady, I didn't mean to call your baby ugly. =20 >=20 > What Leica Super Angulon were you dreaming about? I have 2 of them, = chrome=20 > and black, and a current generation 21 Elmarit ASPH. Sure you can = see the=20 > lens in the corner of the camera's finder but not the one you frame = through,=20 > genius. I have 2 Leica 21mm finders, plus a Yashica and a Contax G. = Even=20 > with the rectangular lenshoods in place, *not a bit* of them are = visible in=20 > *any* of the finders. I use a 15mm Cosina Heliar and you can't see it = in the=20 > finder either. In fact, I carry an M4/Super Angulon as my ultra-wide = > whenever I am using the Hasselblad, because my widest lens is the 50 = FLE. >=20 > Next. Yes, there's a focusing screen available. Yes, you need to = take the=20 > back off to use it and put the back on again to shoot. Yes, you need = the RM2=20 > to upright the image, in the regular prism it's still upside-down. = Yes the=20 > corners of the screen are dark. No, if I wanted the inconveniences of = a view=20 > camera I'd want the rest of the advantages as well. And compact? The = SWC is=20 > not more so than a 40 CFE, especially if you count the viewfinder, = focusing=20 > back and reflex finder. >=20 > And then...what does all that ranting about auto-exposure or = auto-winding=20 > have to do with the question that was asked about the SWC? A 501CM = doesn't=20 > have any more automation than the SWC. =20 >=20 > I'm not defending the 40 CFE Distagon, either. The extra set of = saucer-sized=20 > filters I'd need to buy and carry around (that sit up-front un-shaded = to=20 > catch ghost reflections) have kept it out of my bag so far. =20 > =20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute = Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing = list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's = subsidiaries, or affiliates. >=20 > To change your subscription status, go to: = http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at = http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at = http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 22:31:04 +0900 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Message-ID: > Some of you, in the past have intimated that there is something special > about the SWC, beyond the technical specifications of what it can do. I, > for one would like those who so believe to explain exactly what they > mean. It's compact, light, amazingly sharp, and completely rectilinear without distortion. Besides being a lens, it's also a body. This makes for more a versatile system. And since I use a 60 as my normal lens, the SWC was the only choice -- the 50 isn't that much wider than a 60; and back then the original 40C was a behemouth. And unlike other, who grew up a reflex cameras, I've never had any problems composing using the SWC finder, and I use the old one. I'm just accustomed to using finders: I didn't get my first reflex camera (a Pentax H3v) until I was 23 after having shot for 13 years with various non-reflex cameras. -- Patrick Bartek bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:42:42 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: SV: SV: What's so charming and intimate about an SWC? Message-ID: <39C67E41.ED485377@rabiner.cncoffice.com> ULF SJ=D6GREN wrote: >=20 > To answer you which Leica I'm dreaming of is simple: no Leica, I like t= hem but never dream of them. That the lens was visible in the rangefinder= I saw in the early 70ies, don't know which series, not so interested eit= her, use cameras for taking pictures. If the picture is upside down in th= e finder bothers me not at all after all years with studio cameras and I = think that goes for most people who uses their equipment much. You get so= used to it that you can tell what will be on the frame by 1 or 2 degrees= just you've decided where to set the centre spot. What I meant with sayi= ng that the SWC has no auto-exposure or auto-winding was that of course t= here are things some people could whine about. But at last it all comes d= own to one thing: the picture and it=B4s qualities. And there I've seen q= uite a lot (yes, at Hasselblad centre too). And not much beats the SWC q= ualities. Even if the searcher isn't free from distortion and even if th= e grey filters (graduated) are difficult to get in > correct position. It...looks like some people doesn't care, they just t= ake pictures, good pictures. > Ulf Hasselblad has come out with a brochure, beautifully printed which certai= nly illustrates the magnificence of the images the SWC 38 Biogon produces. A = shame these are a little hard to get ones hands on. The pictures sell the camera. I love a simple camera which just goes "click" and no mirror. The SWC or whatever you want to call it is a simple life support system f= or the Biogon. And I'm fond of the option of using it with the groundglass and viewer as= well. Both. Mark W. Rabiner :) Rollei does not quite have an answer for it. Anyone use the Alpa which has the Biogon on it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:43:58 -0400 From: "Stuart Phillips" To: Subject: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: <009a01c02061$e50fac20$3674799e@umb.edu> Can anyone give me idiot-proof advice to do fill flah with the above combination? It has recently occured to me that I need to reduce the range of contrast within my photos. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:49:05 +0100 From: "Simon Lamb" To: Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: <005501c0220e$166099d0$650a0a0a@slamb> The way I do it with my 503CW and Metz 45 is: Take a meter reading (I use incident) from the area surrounding the subject. Set the camera to expose for that reading. Set the flash to expose as if the film were 2 or 3 stops faster (depending on the amount of fill flash you require) and shoot. I use the Metz in TTL and set the film speed on the 503 at a higher speed. I do not know the Sunpak flash but I assume you can set the ISO, aperture or shutter speed on the flash and you can therefore set it faster. The flash will add a very small amount of catch light and the subject and background will be properly exposed as the camera was set to expose for the available light. This is very basic advice and if you are using fill flash for portraits you may want to use some reflectors to ensure there are no shadows. That said, with some trial and error you can use fill flash accurately so that shadows are non-existent. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Phillips" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 5:43 AM Subject: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 > > Can anyone give me idiot-proof advice to do fill flah with the above > combination? It has recently occured to me that I need to reduce the range > of contrast within my photos. > > Thanks in advance. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. 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