hasselblad Fri, 22 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 996 In this issue: Re: Hasselblad - Digital RE: Hasselblad - Digital Re: Hasselblad - Digital Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - D... Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - D... Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - ... Hassi Digital 50MM FLE Re: Hassi Digital Re: Hasselblad - Digital Re: looking for a PCP80 AccuMatte D for sale Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - ... Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody Re: Hasselblad - Digital Re: Hasselblad - Digital RE: Hasselblad - Digital Re: diff between FLE and non FLE CF 50 f/4 for sale Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:16:15 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: <39C9DFEF.406A8C0E@sympatico.ca> Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the printing end which is very common. When digital at the taking end gets up there and it will not be that long........................... Already digital camera sales are starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of North America and you only have to look at the bigger stores and how much space they are now dedicating to digital. Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl sections of the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, that digital train is coming down the tracks real fast and we better not be standing in the way. austin@darkroom.com wrote: > > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost > > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without > > the dangerous chemicals. > > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be > > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately. > > But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have been > able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You get > higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with any > (non-scanning) digital camera. > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:56:23 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: <01C023A9.D3155650@user-2ive0fm.dialup.mindspring.com> Yes, for simple point and shoot with 4x6 being the maximum size. I agree. I have a Fuji FinePix 4700 just for that. There are limitations to the technology that will have to be overcome prior to it becoming close to the quality of a Hasselblad image. I don't disagree it'll get there, but it isn't going to be any time in the next five years I'd bet. ---------- From: Colin Monteith Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:16 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the printing end which is very common. When digital at the taking end gets up there and it will not be that long........................... Already digital camera sales are starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of North America and you only have to look at the bigger stores and how much space they are now dedicating to digital. Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl sections of the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, that digital train is coming down the tracks real fast and we better not be standing in the way. austin@darkroom.com wrote: > > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost > > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without > > the dangerous chemicals. > > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be > > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately. > > But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have been > able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You get > higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with any > (non-scanning) digital camera. > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: <20000921125716.21768.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1973594324-969541036=:21519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Industry sales of digital are rising, but they haven't eclipsed film cameras. Colin Monteith wrote: Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the printing end which is very common. When digital at the taking end gets up there and it will not be that long........................... Already digital camera sales are starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of North America and you only have to look at the bigger stores and how much space they are now dedicating to digital. Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl sections of the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, that digital train is coming down the tracks real fast and we better not be standing in the way. austin@darkroom.com wrote: > > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost > > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without > > the dangerous chemicals. > > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be > > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately. > > But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have been > able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You get > higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with any > (non-scanning) digital camera. > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. --0-1973594324-969541036=:21519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Industry sales of digital are rising, but they haven't eclipsed film cameras.

 

  Colin Monteith <monteith1@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the printing end which is very common. When digital at the taking end gets up there and it will not be that long........................... Already digital camera sales are
starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of North America and you only have to look at the bigger stores and how much space they are now dedicating to digital. Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl sections of
the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, that digital train is coming down the tracks real fast and we better not be standing in the way.

austin@darkroom.com wrote:

> > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost
> > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without
> > the dangerous chemicals.
> > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be
>! ; > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately.
>
> But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have been
> able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You get
> higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with any
> (non-scanning) digital camera.
>
> -----
> Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html )
> The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates.
>
> To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad
> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelv! in.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm
> Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html

----------------------------------------------------------------------

The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates.

To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad
Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm
Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html


Do You Yahoo!?
Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. --0-1973594324-969541036=:21519-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:07:48 EDT From: Stymulus@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: <86.ed3896.26fb6224@aol.com> Thanks Simon! brian In a message dated 9/20/00 6:30:53 AM, simon@sclamb.com writes: << I use a 503 and Metz 45, so I can use the 45 in TTL mode and change the ISO dial on the side of the camera to indicate a faster film speed. On a manual camera and flash, I presume the Sunpak in manual or auto mode has the facility to dial in the film speed. Just set the 501 to the correct aperture and shutter speed for the film speed that you are using and set the flash to a film speed two or three stops faster. That should give you a flash of much less intensity for fill-in. I do not have a 501 but I don't think there is an ISO dial on it as it doesn't have TTL, so the adjustment has to be done on the flash, and manupulating the ISO is the easiest way. You could of course set the flash to a two or three stop wider aperture and achieve the same result (wider aperture = less flash illumination needed) Simon >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:11:05 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - D... Message-ID: <62.75b792a.26fb62e9@aol.com> In a message dated 9/20/00 11:32:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu writes: << Can we really expect older hassies, even databus designs, to work as well with digital backs as cameras designed for digital from the ground up? >> Why not? If the back is programmable for ISO, there's even no need for databus. If the lenses' resolution is overkill, where's the harm? If and when a 6x6cm sensor appears with resolution equal to film, we *will* need the same optical quality. I don't want to sell them now and buy them back at twice the price in ten years. I don't want to carry 2 systems in the transitional period. I wouldn't care that much that it has to be a digital *back* to fit my current bodies because I paid less than $1500 for both (sorry to the 203/205 owners), it could be a digital body. But my hope is to be able to use the lenses, which I paid many thousands for. Certainly whatever technology can be built into a digital camera can be designed to accomodate current Hasselblad lenses. Even the Leica S1 takes Hasselblad lenses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:54:57 +0200 From: Ragnar Hansen To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - D... Message-ID: <39C9A2B1.572FF964@powertech.no> > In a message dated 9/20/00 11:32:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu writes: > > > Why not? If the back is programmable for ISO, there's even no need for > databus. If the lenses' resolution is overkill, where's the harm? If and > when a 6x6cm sensor appears with resolution equal to film, we *will* need the > same optical quality. I don't want to sell them now and buy them back at > twice the price in ten years. I don't want to carry 2 systems in the > transitional period. I wouldn't care that much that it has to be a digital > *back* to fit my current bodies because I paid less than $1500 for both > (sorry to the 203/205 owners), it could be a digital body. But my hope is > to be able to use the lenses, which I paid many thousands for. Certainly > whatever technology can be built into a digital camera can be designed to > accomodate current Hasselblad lenses. Even the Leica S1 takes Hasselblad > lenses. > According to Zeiss, the lens has to be designed differently for optimum results with a digital back. The reason is that the chip needs the light to enter at 90 deg to the chip to get optimum results. The film does not care what angle the lens enters by. Ragnar Hansen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:28:17 +0200 From: Ragnar Hansen To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody Message-ID: <39C9AA81.F0AA801E@powertech.no> Phil Lindsay wrote: > The 100 mm setup is a Symmar with Compur shutter mounted in a Hassy #40037 Lens Mount Adapter. The adapter has been out of production for a while but you can still find them. I recently picked up another from New York for $95. The > adapter is a chunk of aluminum with the Hassy mounting flange with a 1/2 inch or so hole in the middle. You'll need to do some simple machining to open the hole to around 2 inches. Also need to cut the length down by a 1/2 inch or > so to permit focusing at infinity. The Hassy mount allows attachment to the body at four positions, 90 degrees apart. I offset mounted the Symmar by about 1/2 inch. This setup gives me 1/2 inch shift without camera controls. By > positioning the lens in the correct 90 degree oriented, you can add the camera shift and get a full inch of shift (or rise depending on the orientation of the camera). > Philif one wants to use > If one wants do use Zeiss lenses the same can be done with a 100mm Planar for graflex XL or Linhof . These planars has an image circle on approx 120mm. You could also use the 120 S-planar made for enlargers. This planar needs a Copal or Compur shutter no 0 but the front and rear element screws right into this shutter. Only check the height of the shutter against the org housing of the lens. Ragnar Hansen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:57:47 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - ... Message-ID: <5b.b8f4863.26fb7beb@aol.com> In a message dated 9/21/00 10:31:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, raghans@powertech.no writes: << According to Zeiss, the lens has to be designed differently for optimum results with a digital back. The reason is that the chip needs the light to enter at 90 deg to the chip to get optimum results. The film does not care what angle the lens enters by. Ragnar Hansen >> Sounds pretty fishy to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:16:03 -0700 From: "RICH" To: "Hasselblad" Subject: Hassi Digital Message-ID: <000201c023de$db9598a0$109f1d3f@rjiredff> As a one-time astronomical photographer I used to be heavily involved in the beginnings of CCD imaging. A year ago when back at Kitt Peak observatory I ran into an astronomer friend of mine who happened to have some shots taken with his latest project... a panel of 4X4 CCD arrays blocked into one gigantic high resolution color sensor array. I saw the output and it was fantastic. I remember 15 years back when all we had to work with was one 1/4 inch CCD which cost $20,000.00 per copy. Given what I saw then I feel that it will only 1-2 years before there is a hassi back with a display screen on the rear and 20 GIGs of storage on board. The contrast range will be close to infinite and the resolution high with scan rates under 1000th of a second. The back will have a hot input so that images can be downloaded real-time. We will have the best of both worlds. Those of us that still want to pursue photo chemical can and will and the rest will use digital. Rich in San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:16:05 -0700 From: "RICH" To: "Hasselblad" Subject: 50MM FLE Message-ID: <000301c023de$dc915dc0$109f1d3f@rjiredff> I used my 50MM C lens a lot for texture shots at close distances (5-25 feet)and so I got the FLE version. There is NO question that there is a great difference in the lens's performance in the corners at close differences. The 50 FLE is MUCH sharper in the corners of the frame. Rich in San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:43:05 EDT From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hassi Digital Message-ID: <72.336eb8e.26fb8689@aol.com> Rich, Your scenario sounds fantastic....hope it will turn out this way! Bob << As a one-time astronomical photographer I used to be heavily involved in the beginnings of CCD imaging. A year ago when back at Kitt Peak observatory I ran into an astronomer friend of mine who happened to have some shots taken with his latest project... a panel of 4X4 CCD arrays blocked into one gigantic high resolution color sensor array. I saw the output and it was fantastic. I remember 15 years back when all we had to work with was one 1/4 inch CCD which cost $20,000.00 per copy. Given what I saw then I feel that it will only 1-2 years before there is a hassi back with a display screen on the rear and 20 GIGs of storage on board. The contrast range will be close to infinite and the resolution high with scan rates under 1000th of a second. The back will have a hot input so that images can be downloaded real-time. We will have the best of both worlds. Those of us that still want to pursue photo chemical can and will and the rest will use digital. Rich in San Diego >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:03 -0500 From: Lynda B To: Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: Just for fun: I have a picture that I shot in both analog and digital... under the same lighting. I uploaded them for you to see. http://members.home.net/botez/digital.html Now when you look at them please keep in mind that the color balance and density isn't exactly the same because I did them separately and color balanced them to please my eye. (I didn't do this just to show you guys, heh heh, I just pulled those pictures out of my files.) Also I used a flat bed scanner on the analog one, so the results may be biased because of that. The digital picture is tighter because the digital back I used, the BetterLight (actually the low end BetterLight -- the cheapest) doesn't capture all the space that the film could capture. I could have pulled the camera back, but I didn't. The digital file that resulted was a 48meg file. The detail in that file is incredible. What you are looking at is an extremely compressed jpeg. I'm fairly sure I could get an enormous print (the size of a wall) out of this digital file. An 11x14 print would look absolutely wonderful. When people say that digital doesn't make a good 11x14 print, I think they are referring to the prosumer cameras that you can buy like a Nikon 990; not a real professional digital back. I still had to use a CAMERA (the Toyo) to take this picture. I used a RODENSTOCK 210mm lens with it. I could take advantage of all the swings, tilts, etc. that you can do with a view camera. One thing: I used the BetterLight to set up the lighting. I could do everything with it (sort of like using a polaroid but getting instant results). You can't believe how fast you set up lighting with one of these, every shot takes a couple of minutes, and no polaroid film costs. You can do all kinds of "what if" setups.. Since this is a scanning back, I had to use tungsten lights. However, there are digital camera backs on the market that use regular strobes. MegaVision, has a Hasseblad back that uses regular strobes. I've used that one too (although, attached to a Mamiya RB), and it takes fantastic pictures. Every week I read about some new camera or discovery that advances digital photography. So eventually all this expensive high-tech stuff will dribble down to a more affordable level. You still need a lens when you shoot digital, the big thing that's being replaced here is the FILM, not so much the camera itself. And the output is already digital, so you don't have to go through the process of getting it scanned into digital form. The workflow is massively improved here, especially since most output ends up being converted to digital anyway. Turns out I ended up using the 4x5 film negative for my portfolio on this one, mainly because I could print it myself in the darkroom (at school) and save the $45 print charge that the lab wanted for the studio print I needed. Also, I cropped (in camera) the digital print too tight. But if I hadn't bothered to shoot the regular film, I would have went with the digital shot. -Lynda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:46:00 -0400 From: "Stuart Phillips" To: Subject: Re: looking for a PCP80 Message-ID: <00c701c02272$3c6b3950$3674799e@umb.edu> EP Levine www.cameras.com have a demo, if that's any use stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brick To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: looking for a PCP80 > Hasselblad folks, > > I'm looking for a used PCP80 projector. > > If anyone knows of one available, please let me know who I might contact. > > Many thanks, > > Jim Brick > jim@brick.org > 408-970-2533 (day) > 408-247-0312 (eve) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Shane W Davis To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: AccuMatte D for sale Message-ID: For sale: AccuMatte D focusing screen (part # 42204), never used, with case/box/instr. $225 incl. shipping; if interested, please contact me privately. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:52:40 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: just how much hassy gear carrys over to digital world? Re: Hasselblad - ... Message-ID: <022401c0241e$a9b1e240$8be1f1c3@qnu99> InfinityDT@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/21/00 10:31:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > raghans@powertech.no writes: > > << According to Zeiss, the lens has to be designed differently for optimum > results with a digital back. > The reason is that the chip needs the light to enter at 90 deg to the chip > to get optimum results. > The film does not care what angle the lens enters by. > Ragnar Hansen >> > > Sounds pretty fishy to me. Sound very plausible to me! Some years ago, i played around building a scanning back using the CCD-element and (ready made ;-))electronics of a cheap hand-scanner. It was easy, and cheap, enough to try. These things claim to have upto 800 dpi over a 4" wide strip, using tiny mirrors, a tiny lens and an 1" element, so that's what, 3200 dpi? And, while playing (using a 35 mm format lens mounted in front of the element), i did get some funny patterns, located mostly at top and bottom of the image, varying somewhat with differently lit subjects, but pretty persistent in position, which, i then guessed, after very much deliberation, could only be due to some directional effect. I suspected this pattern/effect was due to some dirt on th element, and indeed it could be enhanced by putting some specks of material on, or lightly smearing, the CCD-element, or rather the relatively thick glass covering of the element. What really made me think of a directional effect, was trying to understand where the shadows would appear and how these would change appearance/position on every next scan line while the CCD-element moved through the lens' cone of light. I don't know whether this was due to the thick glass covering seperating the specks from the CCD-element itself (most likely), or to some property of the actual CCD. The patterns finally were removed by meticulously cleaning the surface of the CCD-element. By the way: the back worked, but only so-so. Its main problem was with positional stability of the CCD-element during the scan. It skewed. Bad machining... :-( And the software/plug-in that came with the scanner was no good, so i would have to write my own. But then, the whole experiment only cost me about US$ 100 and some pleasantly spent time! And i still have some of these scanners stashed away somewhere and probably will try again some other time... Since CCD-elements are IR-sensitive, it would be a cheap and easy way to get into IR-photography as well. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:09:51 -0500 From: Gregg Laiben To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000921200839.00cf1460@mail.kc.rmi.net> At 21:52 9/20/00 -0700, Phil wrote: >The 100 mm setup is a Symmar with Compur shutter mounted in a Hassy #40037 >Lens Mount Adapter. The adapter has been out of production for a while but >you can still find them. I recently Do the lens mount adapters have a helical focusing mount? If not, how do you focus closer than infinity? ....gregg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:47:19 -0700 From: Jim Brick To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody Message-ID: <4.1.20000921184012.022572b0@xsj02.sjs.agilent.com> At 08:09 PM 9/21/00 -0500, Gregg Laiben wrote: >At 21:52 9/20/00 -0700, Phil wrote: >>The 100 mm setup is a Symmar with Compur shutter mounted in a Hassy #40037 >>Lens Mount Adapter. The adapter has been out of production for a while but >>you can still find them. I recently > >Do the lens mount adapters have a helical focusing mount? If not, how do >you focus closer than infinity? > >....gregg I'm answering for Phil. I hope he doesn't mind... No. They are basically a solid (small hole through the middle) aluminum block (round) with a Hasselblad lens mount on one end. You have to machine away the aluminum to the proper thickness with the correct diameter hole to mount a lens such as the 100mm Symmar. Focusing has to be done via the FlexBody macro focus mechanism. This won't work on a regular Hasselblad body. The 40037 was actually made to be used on the bellows with a 2x, 4x, 8x, etc, close-up lens. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:30:42 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: <39CAC452.89858E67@sympatico.ca> --------------C512BE30AB1E1088142F28A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not on a global basis but in many cities it has. I is projected by Olympus officially to outstrip film in 2002 globally. That's all cameras excluding disposables. As I have said before, I am not saying I like this situation but we all have to be realistic as we can't fight mega trends. Roger wrote: > Industry sales of digital are rising, but they haven't eclipsed film > cameras. > > > > Colin Monteith wrote: > > Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the > printing end which is very common. When digital at the > taking end gets up there and it will not be that > long........................... Already digital camera sales > are > starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of > North America and you only have to look at the bigger stores > and how much space they are now dedicating to digital. > Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl sections of > the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, > that digital train is coming down the tracks real fast and > we better not be standing in the way. > > austin@darkroom.com wrote: > > > > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost > > > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without > > > the dangerous chemicals. > > > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be > > > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately. > > > > But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have > been > > able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You > get > > higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with > any > > (non-scanning) digital camera. > > > > ----- > > Sent using MailStart.com ( > http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, > anywhere! > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of > Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its > content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with > Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------- > ----------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of > Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its > content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with > Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at > http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. --------------C512BE30AB1E1088142F28A8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not on a global basis but in many cities it has. I is projected by Olympus officially to outstrip film in 2002 globally.  That's all cameras excluding disposables.  As I have said before, I am not saying I like this situation but we all have to be realistic as we can't fight mega trends.

Roger wrote:

Industry sales of digital are rising, but they haven't eclipsed film cameras.
 
 

  Colin Monteith <monteith1@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the printing end which is very common. When digital at the taking end gets up there and it will not be that long........................... Already digital camera sales are
starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of North America and you only have to look at the bigger stores and how much space they are now dedicating to digital. Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl sections of
the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, that digital train is coming down the tracks real fast and we better not be standing in the way.

austin@darkroom.com wrote:

> > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost
> > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without
> > the dangerous chemicals.
> > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be
> > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately.
>
> But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have been
> able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You get
> higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with any
> (non-scanning) digital camera.
>
> -----
> Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html )
> The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates.
>
> To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad
> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm
> Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html

----------------------------------------------------------------------

The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates.

To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad
Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm
Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html


Do You Yahoo!?
Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.
--------------C512BE30AB1E1088142F28A8-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:40:17 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: <39CAC691.C490B08@sympatico.ca> I am producing 16x20 with both a Nikon D1 and a Fuji 4700. If you are producing only 4x6 with the Fuji you must be shrinking the image in Photoshop and losing a lot of detail or using the most crude resolution setting on the camera - or both. As I said in a previous email, Genuine Fractals software means you do not have to worry much about print size with loss of detail or out of control pixelation. I have just had a lab print of 30x20 made from the Fuji camera and several Hassy users I know well have "seen the light". Not because its better than film but because the gap is very much narrowed. Austin Franklin wrote: > Yes, for simple point and shoot with 4x6 being the maximum size. I agree. > I have a Fuji FinePix 4700 just for that. > > There are limitations to the technology that will have to be overcome prior > to it becoming close to the quality of a Hasselblad image. I don't > disagree it'll get there, but it isn't going to be any time in the next > five years I'd bet. > > ---------- > From: Colin Monteith > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:16 AM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital > > Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the printing end > which is very common. When digital at the taking end gets up there and it > will not be that long........................... Already digital camera > sales are > starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of North America and > you only have to look at the bigger stores and how much space they are now > dedicating to digital. Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl > sections of > the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, that digital > train is coming down the tracks real fast and we better not be standing in > the way. > > austin@darkroom.com wrote: > > > > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost > > > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without > > > the dangerous chemicals. > > > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be > > > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately. > > > > But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have been > > able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You get > > higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with any > > (non-scanning) digital camera. > > > > ----- > > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, > or affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing > list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, > or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:59:45 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: <01C02421.25F86390@user-2ive1j4.dialup.mindspring.com> Genuine Fractals can't make up detail that isn't there in the original data. It's not gnostic. Though it does a nice job making the picture look 'ok', it is a far cry from the same picture taken at a higher resolution. The Fuji and GF don't even come close to "the gap is very much narrowed". Take a picture of the same thing with both and then do the compare. These people who have "seen the light", are they commercial photographers? I didn't say I was producing 4x6 with my Fuji, those were two separate statements...but FYI, I can easily make a 4x6 with my Fuji and lose NO detail. The camera only produces a 2400 x 1800 image. The typical "up" for halftone is 2, so if I am printing at 1440, that would be 720...so at 720, the output is only 3.3 x 2.5... More typically, at 360, that would make 6.6 x 5. Also, realize, as has been pointed out numerous times, the color data from these single CCD arrays is only 1/4th the array size, since they use 4 array elements to make one color pixel... If it suits your needs, and replaces your Hasselblad, then that is great for you. ---------- From: Colin Monteith Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:40 PM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital I am producing 16x20 with both a Nikon D1 and a Fuji 4700. If you are producing only 4x6 with the Fuji you must be shrinking the image in Photoshop and losing a lot of detail or using the most crude resolution setting on the camera - or both. As I said in a previous email, Genuine Fractals software means you do not have to worry much about print size with loss of detail or out of control pixelation. I have just had a lab print of 30x20 made from the Fuji camera and several Hassy users I know well have "seen the light". Not because its better than film but because the gap is very much narrowed. Austin Franklin wrote: > Yes, for simple point and shoot with 4x6 being the maximum size. I agree. > I have a Fuji FinePix 4700 just for that. > > There are limitations to the technology that will have to be overcome prior > to it becoming close to the quality of a Hasselblad image. I don't > disagree it'll get there, but it isn't going to be any time in the next > five years I'd bet. > > ---------- > From: Colin Monteith > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:16 AM > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital > > Yes but you see you are already talking about digital at the printing end > which is very common. When digital at the taking end gets up there and it > will not be that long........................... Already digital camera > sales are > starting to outstrip film based cameras in many parts of North America and > you only have to look at the bigger stores and how much space they are now > dedicating to digital. Remember when music CD's came in and the vinyl > sections of > the stores started to shrink!! Whether we like it or not, that digital > train is coming down the tracks real fast and we better not be standing in > the way. > > austin@darkroom.com wrote: > > > > The beauty about digital is the ability to do almost > > > any darkroom technique on the computer screen without > > > the dangerous chemicals. > > > Flashing, toning, local bleaching etc., etc. can be > > > achieved with relative ease and much more accurately. > > > > But you can do that without a digital camera NOW, and have been > > able to do that for 10+ years! You can scan the film. You get > > higher resolution, and a far better image than you do with any > > (non-scanning) digital camera. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:01:17 -0700 From: Mark Rabiner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: diff between FLE and non FLE Message-ID: <39CAD98E.5B8E99F0@rabiner.cncoffice.com> _emaq_ wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Today, The Esteemed InfinityDT@aol.com gathered electrons and wrote: > > > FLE ring is set. If I had it to do over again and could save some $$ I'd buy > > the non-FLE in a heartbeat. > > This sounds like good advice. I'll start looking around for a non-FLE > > Thanks! > > - -- > My 50 CF has no FLE! Works great! mark rabiner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:12:37 -0700 From: "John McLeod" To: "Hasselblad posts" Subject: CF 50 f/4 for sale Message-ID: <006101c02453$ec698e00$8b44480c@ukj3r> Hasselblad CF 50mm f/4 lens for sale (serial number 704xxxx). I purchased this (non-FLE) lens new years ago, but it has seen little use since I am not a professional photographer. I have been very happy with the lens, it's quite sharp, and the condition is mint-. The only reason for the sale is to raise money for a non-photographic purchase. I also have a Hasselblad UV Sky filter and 50mm lens shade which I'd prefer to sell with the lens. The price for the package is firm at $1,700 (or $1,575 for the lens only). I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and would prefer a local sale, but will consider other offers, and will split shipping within the U.S. John McLeod ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:56:31 -0700 From: Phil Lindsay To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: 100 mm Symmar on a Flexbody Message-ID: <39CAF48D.C99FA671@pacbell.net> Hi Gregg: The Hassy lens adapter is pretty spartan -it's just a piece of metal! One of the features of the Flexbody is a built-in focus rail with bellows - about an inch or so of movement - use tubes to get closer. Good luck Phil ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #996 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html