hasselblad Sun, 24 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 998 In this issue: Re: Hasselblad - Digital "Dead process walking..." Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: "Dead process walking..." Re: "Dead process walking..." Re: "Dead process walking..." Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: "Dead process walking..." Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Club Hasselblad Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:03:13 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: Hasselblad - Digital Message-ID: <000e01c0253d$1cfab8c0$e6dcf1c3@qnu99> Chris LI wrote: > [...] It seems that this monster > won't take the current Zeiss lenses. That's what was stated in the press-release, and what the only contribution of Victor Hasselblad AB in this project is about: they will provide "Hasselblad" optics (which probably will be some rebranded Japanese products...) for this thing . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:14:56 -0700 From: "RICH" To: Subject: "Dead process walking..." Message-ID: <000201c02568$a68c1a40$a178113f@rjiredff> Guys N' Gals, When I said photoChem is a "Dead process walkin" I meant it as far as consumer level photography is concerned. The "Fine-art" people will always realize and use the creative possibilities of this medium. Sorry for the sacrilege! Rich ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:43:06 -0400 From: Russ & Kathy Thornton To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <39CCEBAA.32F6FBE6@gdi.net> To Greg, You failed the Bertrum Yacht test: "If you have to ask how much it costs then you can't afford it." Of course, I hope that I am wrong. BTW, If any of you listen to Clark Howard on the radio, he says that some time next year will be available digital cameras with CMOS technology that will be a quantum leap over what we have today. Personally, I am holding out for better stuff. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:09:09 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: "Dead process walking..." Message-ID: <39CCF1C5.315B6416@sympatico.ca> I hate to do this but I am going to take issue with the comment about "the creative possibilities of this medium" comment. Creative can come from any format or type of photography. Having seen and judged in competition many photographs over the years, no format gives a creative edge. I have seen as many bad photographs coming from MF (Hasselblad included) as 35 mm for example. In fact some of the most creative images I have ever seen have come from pinhole cameras. Hasselblad and formats like 4x5 give you an edge in resolution/grain and to some extent, tonal range. That however leads to technical excellence and not creativity. Creativity can only come from what's between the ears. HCB, Man Ray and many I could list here are perfect examples of those that did not need MF/LF to be creative. I would as you to take a look at the following web site which is done with a Kodak DC280 digital camera. I think this guy has an incredible eye for an image. What MF would do for him if anything is debatable. Anyway all this is intended to solicit a good debate about creativity so please don't flame me for responding. RICH wrote: > Guys N' Gals, > > When I said photoChem is a "Dead process walkin" I meant it as far as > consumer level photography is concerned. The "Fine-art" people will always > realize and use the creative possibilities of this medium. > > Sorry for the sacrilege! > > Rich > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:31:37 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: "Dead process walking..." Message-ID: <39CCF709.AF43D908@sympatico.ca> Sorry but I missed out the web site address below http://www.animalu.com/pics/photos6.htm Colin Monteith wrote: > I hate to do this but I am going to take issue with the comment about "the creative possibilities of this medium" comment. Creative can come from any format or type of photography. Having seen and judged in competition many > photographs over the years, no format gives a creative edge. I have seen as many bad photographs coming from MF (Hasselblad included) as 35 mm for example. In fact some of the most creative images I have ever seen have come from > pinhole cameras. Hasselblad and formats like 4x5 give you an edge in resolution/grain and to some extent, tonal range. That however leads to technical excellence and not creativity. Creativity can only come from what's between the > ears. HCB, Man Ray and many I could list here are perfect examples of those that did not need MF/LF to be creative. I would as you to take a look at the following web site which is done with a Kodak DC280 digital camera. I think > this guy has an incredible eye for an image. What MF would do for him if anything is debatable. Anyway all this is intended to solicit a good debate about creativity so please don't flame me for responding. > > RICH wrote: > > > Guys N' Gals, > > > > When I said photoChem is a "Dead process walkin" I meant it as far as > > consumer level photography is concerned. The "Fine-art" people will always > > realize and use the creative possibilities of this medium. > > > > Sorry for the sacrilege! > > > > Rich > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:41:49 -0500 From: "Mark Rutledge" To: Subject: Re: "Dead process walking..." Message-ID: <001d01c0258e$04a54e60$aca7cbd8@niki> I definitely agree that the photographer "makes" the photo, but I think the photographer you mention here looks as if he could definitely benefit from MF or LF. The landscapes he shows would make really nice large prints, which I'm not sure he could do with the DCS 280. Although MF/LF wouldn't necessarily improve his vision, it would enhance the finished product. Just a thought, and no flames about the quality of the DCS 280 I'm not overly familiar with it's specs. Mark Rutledge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Monteith" To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: Re: "Dead process walking..." > I hate to do this but I am going to take issue with the comment about "the creative possibilities of this medium" comment. Creative can come from any format or type of photography. Having seen and judged in competition many > photographs over the years, no format gives a creative edge. I have seen as many bad photographs coming from MF (Hasselblad included) as 35 mm for example. In fact some of the most creative images I have ever seen have come from > pinhole cameras. Hasselblad and formats like 4x5 give you an edge in resolution/grain and to some extent, tonal range. That however leads to technical excellence and not creativity. Creativity can only come from what's between the > ears. HCB, Man Ray and many I could list here are perfect examples of those that did not need MF/LF to be creative. I would as you to take a look at the following web site which is done with a Kodak DC280 digital camera. I think > this guy has an incredible eye for an image. What MF would do for him if anything is debatable. Anyway all this is intended to solicit a good debate about creativity so please don't flame me for responding. > > RICH wrote: > > > Guys N' Gals, > > > > When I said photoChem is a "Dead process walkin" I meant it as far as > > consumer level photography is concerned. The "Fine-art" people will always > > realize and use the creative possibilities of this medium. > > > > Sorry for the sacrilege! > > > > Rich > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:33:51 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <1e.b10be3a.26fe5f9f@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/00 1:49:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, radarguy@gdi.net writes: << To Greg, You failed the Bertrum Yacht test: "If you have to ask how much it costs then you can't afford it." >> And can't spell it? It's Bertram. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:47:17 EDT From: InfinityDT@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <46.af9e320.26fe62c5@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/00 1:49:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, radarguy@gdi.net writes: << Personally, I am holding out for better stuff. >> It wouldn't surprise me at all if the manufacturers already have 100 megapixel technology but they're going to make us buy up in 5 or 10 megapixel increments. And the old stuff will depreciate like a lead baloon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:04:46 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: "Dead process walking..." Message-ID: <39CD1AEE.9068A27A@sympatico.ca> I agree that perhaps MF would give this photographer the ability to produce quality large prints. But then again the grainy contrast is perhaps what is best about his images. I would love to see if it made any difference as he certainly has an eye for design. http://www.animalu.com/pics/photos.htm Mark Rutledge wrote: > I definitely agree that the photographer "makes" the photo, but I think the > photographer you mention here looks as if he could definitely benefit from > MF or LF. The landscapes he shows would make really nice large prints, which > I'm not sure he could do with the DCS 280. Although MF/LF wouldn't > necessarily improve his vision, it would enhance the finished product. > Just a thought, and no flames about the quality of the DCS 280 I'm not > overly familiar with it's > specs. > Mark Rutledge > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Monteith" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: "Dead process walking..." > > > I hate to do this but I am going to take issue with the comment about "the > creative possibilities of this medium" comment. Creative can come from any > format or type of photography. Having seen and judged in competition many > > photographs over the years, no format gives a creative edge. I have seen > as many bad photographs coming from MF (Hasselblad included) as 35 mm for > example. In fact some of the most creative images I have ever seen have > come from > > pinhole cameras. Hasselblad and formats like 4x5 give you an edge in > resolution/grain and to some extent, tonal range. That however leads to > technical excellence and not creativity. Creativity can only come from > what's between the > > ears. HCB, Man Ray and many I could list here are perfect examples of > those that did not need MF/LF to be creative. I would as you to take a look > at the following web site which is done with a Kodak DC280 digital camera. > I think > > this guy has an incredible eye for an image. What MF would do for him if > anything is debatable. Anyway all this is intended to solicit a good debate > about creativity so please don't flame me for responding. > > > > RICH wrote: > > > > > Guys N' Gals, > > > > > > When I said photoChem is a "Dead process walkin" I meant it as far as > > > consumer level photography is concerned. The "Fine-art" people will > always > > > realize and use the creative possibilities of this medium. > > > > > > Sorry for the sacrilege! > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute > Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list > is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or > affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at > http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:40:18 +0200 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" To: Subject: Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <000c01c025a6$df295280$18d8f1c3@qnu99> Russ & Kathy Thornton wrote: > BTW, If any of you listen to Clark Howard on the radio, he says that some time next year will be available digital cameras with CMOS technology that will be a quantum leap over what we have today. Personally, I am holding out for > better stuff. Considering that a quantum leap is the smallest increment possible, you should not have to wait for too long. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:52:04 +1100 From: George Ruebner To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Club Hasselblad Message-ID: The world of Hasselblad photography can move slowly sometimes. In a world dominated by professionals, the amateur can be forgotten, but at Club Hasselblad we are very happy to showcase the work of individuals. This time our gallery welcomes Heiner M=F6ller from Germany. Heiner has taken the obvious, seen it changing, added his own interpretation, and produced a wonderful body of work. I hope you can all visit, and send him comments and suggestions. I would also like to call for portraits: standard, studio, bizarre, or unusual to build a portrait gallery at the Club. As always, we like to include information on the photographer, and their philosophy of image making. Please e-Mail 600 X 600 pixel images to me at ruebner@netconnect.com.au Here's luck, George Ruebner Orange NSW Australia ruebner@netconnect.com.au http://www.clubhasselblad.ballarat.net.au/ ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 20:04:53 +0900 From: "Patrick Bartek" To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: Fill flash with 501C and Sunpak 285 Message-ID: > At 03:56 AM 09/20/2000, you wrote: > >so you set the camera AND flash 2 to 3 stops faster for good fill? > > No. Here's an example. > Ambient light calls for f/8 @ 1/250th sec > set camera as above > set non-TTL auto flash to produce f/5.6 > Shoot. With the 1:2 ratio above, you'll need to stop the lens down an additional 1 stop over the ambient expsoure (without changing the shutter speed, of course) to get a proper exposure. The resulting lighting ratio will give quite open shadows. If you had set for 1:4 ratio (flash at f4.0), there is no need to stop down. There is not enough light from the flash to noticeably affect the highlight exposure, but it will noticeably lighten the shadow values. I find a 1:4 ratio gives move "natural" looking shadows when the sun is bright and direct. Also, when shooting the subject backlit under those bright conditions, you only have to open the lens up 1 stop (without changing the shutter speed) and you get a perfect backlit filled exposure. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@pdai.com ------------------------------ End of hasselblad V1 #998 ************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. 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